Jill Stanek, the nurse quoted in this article as having witnessed aborted babies breathing and viable being left on a shelf to die, testified in front of a Senate committee in Wisconsin that I was a member of.
Inhuman and unimaginable. Yet real....and the potential leader of the free world would want this to continue, all because the "intent" was to end the life of the baby. Garish.
I have to find the story, but an abortionist who worked with George Tiller in Kansas actually stabbed a 35-week gestation baby, who was born alive after an abortion, in the chest and killed the infant.
In a sane world, that would be murder. By Obama's own muddled definition - it's "choice"...
Here's the link:
http://catholicfire.blogspot.com...ssion-
live.html
but i think if you just listen to his magical (or purple) prose, you will believe.
Amy P.: another good example. But for some reason, many Catholics still support dem's. Maybe it's just the "smorgasbord Catholics," but they profess to be Catholic nonetheless.
Go figure.
Cathy - part of it is poor catechesis, I'll admit that.
It really is a tragedy and, aside from what I'm already doing (and what many other good, faithful pro-life Catholics are doing), I don't know what else we can do to show people just how barbaric, horrific, and unnecessary abortion is.
Good will always out and may God have mercy on those who encouraged, advocated, and supported the wholesale murder of millions of children.
Cathy, why is it smorgasbord Catholicism when the issue is abortion, but when the issue is, say the death penalty or the Iraq war (which Republicans generally favor but the church opposes), it's not?
yup, same thing, F-bum....
but i doubt the nice folks on death row are as innocent as an unborn babe and the soldiers are kinda-sorta fighting for your right to spout off about things, are they not?
or do you REALLY think you are safe 'cause you're a lefty?
So it's still wrong, but somehow Catholics voting for Obama are wronger than Catholics voting for McCain.
Just so long as we're all clear on the equivocation spectrum.
Um, folkbum, have you read the Catechism of the Catholic Church?
If not, let me sum it up for you.
Abortion is *always* and *always has been* a mortal sin. It is a non-negotiable.
The Catholic Church has criteria for both the death penalty and war and allows for both to defend society from a grave, evil threat. Just as they allow self-defense...even if the aggressor is killed in the process
So nice try, but no dice.
Funny how those who know so little about Catholicism jump to strange conclusions the way folkbum does. Also funny how they can't see the difference between a CONVICTED murderer and an innocent baby. Or the difference between killing an enemy in war and killing an unborn child.
At least the Church has always been clear on those issues.
I have, however, noticed that many Catholics are democrats and I can't figure out why. At one time the democrats had a good progressive social agenda, but in the last 20-30 years the party has changed to champion some very finge social issues and some downright immoral issues----and it seems those who have always been democrats haven't noticed the change. I find it amazing that so-called "good" Catholics seem to have no problem with the democratic party as it is today.
Abortion is unequivocally a sin. Life is to be valued. Of course, not all sins are required to be outlawed by the U.S. government. There are not laws covering every sin, mortal or not. So I think Catholics have leeway to choose a party that they feel will best lead the country. Is it a sin to vote for a pro-choice President over someone who will cause much pain and suffering and death through poor policy?
Abortion won't stop if it is outlawed. Abortion will drop far more dramatically if the souls and morality of those involved are changed. Does God perfer immoral people forced to act morally or does God prefer moral people acting morally through their own free will and their love of God and their neighbor?
I'd bet on the latter.
heh, not much free will involved if you are in a coffee shop with your friends and a retarded child comes sauntering in with an explosives jacket.
you're dead.
dont really know how catholisism is any different when it comes to handleing wars than any other religion. ask the jews.
(by the way the abortion numbers that just came out for wi are lower for the 2nd-3rd?- year in a row.)
"Is it a sin to vote for a pro-choice President over someone who will cause much pain and suffering and death through poor policy?"
There ya go exaggerating again. Who is talking about sin in regard to who a Catholic votes for? The Catholic Church has not, at least in modern times, said that war is "WRONG", even if it's poor policy and they express that opinion publically. But it never has been a "sin" the way abortion has been. There is such a thing as a private decision that is a "sin" and public policy which is more difficult to pin down as a sin---at least as an "individual sin".
So please get your vocabulary straight about "sin" and "policy", and it might not hurt for you to do a thorough review of what the Church actually believes before you spout off about it.
Nor am I saying that the Republican party is totally innocent. Their policies often leave much to be desired. But what I'm saying is that the Democratic party seems to be championing a whole lot of fringe groups these days, things that most Catholics would consider sinful---so why they are still Democrats is a puzzle to me.
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