We need Clinton. Reno and the A.T.F. for this one. Oh yea, and a few bikers looking to redeem their bad reputation.
..always remember ya`ll there is no war on terror....just ask moron.orgy they will explain it all so well.f.....idiots ..as they take their last gasp...they`ll choke..its Bush`s fault...
...hey speaking of airstrikes...God I love those Eagles..
..need I say more..
Good links Rob, thanks.
Papa Ray
..Papa this warmed my heart...knowing some of our young still have the code...
..and how about this.. a grunt with wings...dang aq you sho nuff in trouble now..
Great links Rob. Here is one for you.
And to think we are just getting started in this field. The future will be something to see. Or maybe not, they may be invisible to radar and to the eye.
Death from the sky...I remember seeing a SF movie that had that theme.
It's not SF anymore, Toto.
Papa Ray
As a bonus, the Israelis proved they could penetrate the Syrian air defence system, which is stronger than the one protecting Iranian nuclear sites.
thanx Rob, Love those Israeli's
You know, Rb_NC once poopooed a suggestion I made that there should be more tales of daring-do in this war.
Maybe the Jews do not want to be assioated with 'an able war machine' and neither does the Jewish hollywood crowd put out any Jewish hero movies. Not my own obversation but it is interesting.
In my long experience, Jews keep a low profile but get things done.
Papa Ray
Muslims Against Sharia praise the courage of Lars Vilks, Ulf Johansson, Thorbjorn Larsson and the staff of Nerikes Allehanda and Dagens Nyheter and condemn threats issued by Abu Omar Al Baghdadi and the Islamic State of Iraq. Muslims Against Sharia will provide a payment of 100,000kr (about $15,000) for the information leading to capture or neutralization of Abu Omar Al Baghdadi.
Muslimer mot Sharia berömmer Lars Vilks, Ulf Johansson, Torbjörn Larsson och övriga anställda på Nerikes Allehanda och Dagens Nyheter för deras tapperhet och fördömer hotet från Abu Omar Al Baghdadi och Islamistiska Iraq. Muslimer mot Sharia betalar 100 000 SEK (ca 15 000$) för information som leder till gripande eller oskadligörande av Abu Omar Al Baghdadi.
Muslims Against Sharia
Defend Freedom of Speech - Support Sweden!
Well Chief....Good Luck with all that...... you realize of course you have a time limit to accomplish your goal of reforming the violence out of Islam.
The clock is ticking on your fellow adherents committing a sufficiently violent act that threatens the continuity of western civilization and requires us to respond with finality.... And I'm afraid there is no physical way you're going to be able to beat that deadline.
First off....Why is your home office in Nebraska? You should move it to Saudi Arabia, Tehran, or the Tribal agencies of Pakistan.....thats where the problems originate. How are you going to reform something you're afraid to even face down in person?
Secondly, even if you were to achieve a 99% success rate.....that wont be enough to keep you all from burning for the actions of that 1%, because that 1% will hide like cowards amongst the reformed moderates.
I don't trust any Muslim. I would however tolerate on my terms. Oh yea! My term are Constitutional and I have the right to watch you be pennieless, homeless and destitue when I refuse to interact with you on any level. I would never initiate anything physical against you unless you broke our laws. I would just watch you go wee weee wee all the way home.
My comment above is out of context unless I add; I will support good Muslims fighting for law and order within their own nations. I want no Islam in our nation. No good can ever come of it.
Redneck Texan, Nebraska is the best place for NGO headquarters, just as Delaware is the best place for corporate headquarters. There are standard packages that include registered agents and Nebraska has the lowest prices. As for moving to a country that has no freedom of the press and is ruled and/or populated by Islamic fundamentalists, you do that. We are trying to reform Islam in the West. While Western governments and corporations are pumping billions of dollars into Saudi Arabia and Iran, we stand no chance of reforming anything there.
While Western governments and corporations are pumping billions of dollars into Saudi Arabia and Iran, we stand no chance of reforming anything there.
Now where have I heard that argument before?
I see.... it's our fault they're unreformable.
Well, no RT, but he does have a point. We give terrorists money, ignore the fact that the Kingdom is the money man for over half of the radical, murdering bastard Muslims in this world and have enabled Iran to continue to be the money man for the other half of the radical, murdering bastard Muslims in this world.
They can't compete with the U.S. Government.
But don't get sidetracked on that. Moderate Muslims don't want to kill us infidels. Why? Because dead we can't pay tribute and taxes and bow and scrape to Islam.
Otherwise, they have no use for us and will relagate us to their terrorists cousins, who will do the neck cutting.
Papa Ray
As for moving to a country that has no freedom of the press and is ruled and/or populated by Islamic fundamentalists, you do that.
Oh my... Get off the fuckin' continent, bucko. We were here first. You wanna reform, you go reform in your freakin' backyard, got it?
(Rolls eyes, mumbles under breath, and reminds self to apply reform bandage to mouth at infrequent intervals).
No Shit Doc...... If these Moderate Muslims want to reform Islam they need to get themselves a booth at Mecca..... tell all the faithful passing by which parts of the Koran you want them to start ignoring..... see how they respond.
Or get together and show up at a radical Cleric's Friday sermon and denounce him in front of his followers.
What they are doing....and I guess they want a pat on the back for it..... is the equivalent of Martin Luther traveling to America to nail his 95 Theses on first tree he found.....knowing he was safely out of range of the Pope's wrath.
Dont be talking about reforming your religion when your afraid to walk amongst your fellow adherents.
I hear everyone talking about "Wanting Moderate Muslims to Stand Up and Renounce The Violence Committed In Allah's Name".....F_ck that, I dont want to hear them talk their religion of peace bullshit in the safety of the West, I want them to pick up an Ak-47 and go kill all the radicals that are making them look bad.
Clean up there own damn mess so we dont have to.....then sit here and claim the west's doing business with the leaders of oil rich Islamic nations is the reason moderates cant deal with the problems in those places is just a total bullshit cop out.
Or get together and show up at a radical Cleric's friday sermon and denounce him in front of his followers.
No shiite. I wonder how long this guy's head would remain attached to the rest of his sorry carcass.
There's so much chum in his communique, I'm havin' a tough time controlling myself.
(looks in tackle box for bare hooks and two pound test).
Bares repeating:
Islam is it's own worse enemy.
Papa Ray
What good would it do if we pick up AK-47s when radical Muslims have M-16s bought with petro-dollars? Islamic terrorism did not exist prior to petro-Islam. So, unless you stop financing Muslim terrorists, you are in no position to blame anyone. While most moderate Muslims do nothing, the West is financing both sides in the War on Terror. How stupid is that? Do I have to remind you that 15 out of 19 hijackers were Saudis? Do I have to remind you how many billions of dollars has the US gave to Saudi Arabia after 9/11? Don’t you think that some of those dollars went to terrorists? Saudis hold mortgages on 80%+ of American mosques. What do you think they preach in those mosques? The next generation of al-Qaeda is being raised on American soil because of your PC BS and you are blaming Muslims who are speaking out against terrorism? No wonder 30% of Americans do not know which year 9/11 happened.
PS
Maybe we are not doing enough, but at least we offered a counter-bounty on Swedish cartoons. Those of you, who blame ALL Muslims, have done nothing but bitched and moaned.
mohammedans against sharia - Note the slight alteration in your NIC. There is NO difference between a moderate and radical mohammedan - ZERO. You accept the word of a pedophile and murderer wholecloth. So what is contained within the binding of that piece of crap you call a 'holy' book - is fantasy - pulled out of mohammed's addled brain. There is no allah. If anyone whispered in mohammed's ear, it would have been a messenger from the pit of Hell.
You can believe that tripe from the koran, or... you can die and go to Hell without benefit of virgins or raisins or whatever it is that the lameass mohammed dreamed up while taking hits off his waterpipe. If you are truly 'moderate' and think that your message is somehow going to get to the radical side of the fence without dipping your toes in a radical environment, you are mistaken. My suggestion is that you start up your little mission in Malaysia, not the middle of Kansas. Or... how about Sweden? U.K.? I really think it ought to be Malaysia. I think your half-life would run to about 10 minutes - just long enough to let a radical hear your plan, and you lose your plan altogether - at the neck. I'd hang some links to pictures of Malaysians that have dared to be anything but mohammedans - you know - just breathing. They lost their heads in more ways than one.
bin laden & zawahiri want to call us 'Crusaders', fine. Bring it on. Bring your verbal sword if that's what you've a mind to use for a weapon, but I'm letting you know up front that it's like bringing a knife to a gunfight. Ol' mohammed showed up late to the game with all the wrong cards.
Don't bother wasting air on us rednecks, cuz we don't want to hear about it, we don't want to see it, and we most certainly don't want you mistreating our women the way you mistreat yours... MOF, if I saw you mistreating your woman, you'd discover what bein' slapped with a broadsword is like - you know - like the Crusaders carried? Get it? No sense in depriving you of your head, just a little fraternal correction between brothers oughtabe good enough.
What good would it do if we pick up AK-47s when radical Muslims have M-16s bought with petro-dollars? Islamic terrorism did not exist prior to petro-Islam.
How many petro-dollars have we spent in Jordan, Lebanon, Somalia, Palistine, Pakistan, and Indonesia?
Did Petro-dollars fuel Islam's violent spread across the middle East?
What exactly were we supposed to do.....not buy any oil?
How bout yourself...... does your personal vehicle run on terrorist financing petro?
..... Look man, I acknowledge that you are speaking out against the atrocities committed in the name of your religion, more so than I have probably ever seen a Muslim group do....... and that is really refreshing....... but what I'm telling you is, and I'm sure you realize, that some small group of sane Muslims in Nebraska is never going to be able to change the mindset of your fellow adherents in the middle east.....if they've even heard of you I'm sure they just chuckled and went back to the work of Jihad....... and when the day comes that radical Islamists leave us no other choice, we are going to be forced to kill Allah you, because you failed to EFFECTIVELY Police your own. The bad ones are going to lie and try to blend in with the good ones, based on the assumption we wont kill both of you to make sure we get the bad ones........ right now thats working out pretty good for the bad ones...... lucky for them the "Good Muslims" over there are no more willing to pick up an AK-47 and eliminate the radical element any more than you are........ right now we are more willing to absorb casualties than open fire on a crowd just to get the few bad ones in that crowd...... thats not always gonna be the case.
I'm sure there were lots of "Good Indians" back in the days when the "Bad Indians" were attacking our frontier towns......but when we went to the Indian villages the "Good Indians" failed to round up the bad ones and hand them over to us....... that required collective punishment......
I'm sorry man, I understand where your coming from..... I wish you had a chance to stop your fellow adherents before they force us to take draconian measures.....I really do.... but good intentions are one thing, results are another..... while your efforts are noble.....your pissin into an Islamist wind.
If you know where these Wahabi Mosques are in America....... you better do something that EFFECTIVELY keeps them from promoting violent Jihad in America...... cause you know, all Muslims, good or bad, are going to claim they are peace loving when we are forced to play Cowboys and Muslims. When our cities are radioactive after an Islamic dirty bomb goes off.....we're just not gonna be able to take any more chances.
Were gonna do what we have to do......Were gonna do what your fellow adherents forced us to do.....
What do you think they preach in those mosques? The next generation of al-Qaeda is being raised on American soil because of your PC BS and you are blaming Muslims who are speaking out against terrorism? No wonder 30% of Americans do not know which year 9/11 happened.
Seems like a pretty good reason to play Cowboys and Muslims and get it over with.
Cap'n DOC, you are just an ignorant bigot, so I won’t waste my time on you.
RT, You’ve got to be shitting me?!
Somalia? Instead of properly retaliating for the deaths of 18 American soldiers, America got out.
Palestine? PLO, a terrorist organization and its leader Yassir Arafat, a father of modern terrorism received billions of dollars from the West, including the US.
Pakistan? Who let them have nukes? Do you realize that Pakistan has more radical Muslims than any other Muslim country and it is one bullet away from becoming an Islamic theocracy?
Petro-dollars did not fuel violent spread of Islam through he Middle East. Petro-dollars accelerated violent spread of Islam through the globe. Petro-dollar fueled radical Islam claimed more territory in 30 years than Islam claimed in 1,300 years.
“What exactly were we supposed to do.....not buy any oil?” No, but you can make a point of not buying Middle Eastern oil. And there are quite a few ways to do that. There are American companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil. There are alternative fuels like ethanol and biodiesel. And if you have enough money, there are electric cars. All of this maybe an inconvenience, but it sure beats the hell out of giving money to the terrorists. Do you use Shell? Do you know that Shell just signed a multi-billion dollar contract with Iran? Watch this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ft341u2Fimw. I use only Hess and Sunoco. Most moderate Muslims keep their heads in their asses and waiting for all this shit to blow over. But isn’t it the same what most non-Muslims do? Why don’t you accept responsibility for financing and supporting radical Muslims and stop doing that? Then, we’ll take it from there.
Look man.....oil is a fungible commodity. If we dont buy Middle eastern oil, do you really think its gonna just set it Saudi storage tanks and NOT get sold to somebody, at full market value? What difference will it make in the big picture whether we pay the Saudis or China does? And to be honest I would just as soon pay the house of Saud as I had fuel Chavez's socialist revolution by buying Venezuelan oil, or fueling Russian weapons development by buying Russian oil.....bottom line is, it dont matter who buys Middle eastern Oil.....somebody is going to buy it.
But are you trying to suggest that all the hate spewing Islamic clerics around the world would stop sending out Jihadis to do Allah's will if the world stopped buying Middle eastern oil?.... get a clue man.... Islam thrives in poverty, and as much as I would personally like to see the Arab / Persian world mired in abject poverty forever..... taking away the regions only exportable commodity would only increase the Islamic Cleric's hold over their weak minds...... And hey, if its as simple as just taking oil revenues out of their hands, lets just take their oil fields away from them or blow them up.
Clinton withdrew from Somalia because the only way we were going to accomplish our humanitarian mission was kill over half the Somalians.
...and Yeah, he tried paying off Fatah, but it didn't work. On the same token we also paid off Israel and Egypt and you dont see them blowing our shit up. If the stinkin Palestinians and the Muslim world hates us, and attacks us for supporting Israel, how come Israel is not attacking us for supporting its enemies....how come the Greeks ain't attacking us for supporting the Turks?....... Its only in the Islamic mind that violence is warranted in such situations.
Why are Muslims attacking Hindus in India, why are Muslims killing innocent non-Muslims in Kashmir, Thailand, Chechnya, Lebanon, Nigeria, Horn of Africa, Sudan, etc? Everywhere the Islamic world comes into physical contact with an adjacent culture there is violence.....what do you make of that fact? Is it always the adjacent culture's fault?
Face it dude, you're never going to reform Islam....it is what it is, a religion based on violent Arab cultural values. The Koran is a blueprint for justifying global conquest through the use of violence.... you cant compromise with it.....its gotta be destroyed.
.....and what pisses me off, is that we wont directly target the source of the violence, the Islamic Clergy. As it stands right now hate spewing, violence promoting Islamic Clerics get to provoke terrorism from the safety of their Mosques. There's currently no incentive for them to stop.......somebody needs to go into their Mosques and kill them.....that burden should fall on the "Good Muslims", who should realize that if they dont get their radicals under control, THEY are going to have to burn for it in the long run.
.....Thats You.....and your fellow adherents. If a non-muslim does your dirty work its Front Page news forever....but if angry mobs of sane Muslims do it, for some reason, its OK......I wont hold my breath waiting for internal reform though.
And yes, thanks for pointing out that Pakistan is one bullet away from being a Nuclear Armed, Terror Exporting Theocracy....... That, along with your twelver cousins in Iran, are the ticking Clocks I'm talking about. Thats what you're in a race against to reform the violence out of Islam. Western Civilization has tolerated Violent Islam for centuries, because before now, they were ultimately harmless. But with advances in transportation and Weapons of Mass Destruction the entire game has changed. We've never had a reason or need to exterminate a billion people on the other side of the planet until now. Other, more advanced Cultures have possessed the nuclear flame for over half a century now.... but those cultures were sane...... they were not willing to strap bombs on their children just to kill a few non-belivers.....your fellow adherents are a different animal...... The Koran doesn't cover the concept of "deterrent". They will feel its their religious duty to use them as soon as possible on Israel and the other infidels in their range. They're playing with a powerful tool that they could never have devised without stealing the technology......its like putting a pistol in a monkey's hand. They are going to eventually commit an act in Allah's name that will leave the non-Islamic world no other choice but commit a genocide on a scale the world has never seen...... for our survival.
And you know Western rules of engagement today leave us at a tactical disadvantage against an enemy who doesn't have to answer to anyone for their acts of indiscriminate violence......as soon as their capabilities match ours, our rules of engagement will match theirs......and buddy, you dont want to know what kind of atrocities the West is capable of when we set our minds to it, and have no other choice.
" But isn’t it the same what most non-Muslims do? "Your 100 percent right. That is what 80 or maybe even 90 percent of Americans and other nationalities have been doing and plan on continuing to do.
There is real pressure from various lefty groups to stop any kind of real progress in energy re-direction.
Not true you say? You mean you really believe that the folks that want you to change the type light bulbs you use, and want to protect them tree frogs and want to not cut down them trees....are not standing in the way of America getting freedom from the monster of Petroleum?
Well, yea they are.
They don't want drilling, or even exploration of our land or oceans to find and take out our own oil. They don't want the power of the Atom anywhere in America, they don't want the wind farms, nor the thermal plants nor not even the new coal plants that promise to cut emissions.
I'm not talking about your average liberal (or your neocons) who thinks electric cars would be great. I'm talking about the left, the liberal, progressive political groups in America. The one's with the clout to influence the Senate and the House.
The rank and file idiots that call themselves green, don't even know that the liberal socialists who pressure our congress and our corporations don't want to really do anything to get out from under the thumb of imported oil.
Why? Many reasons, but the main one is the ignorant mindset they have about the environment. Which is about 75 percent complete nonsense.
Another is that they can't be inconvenienced nor annoyed by the plants and other facilities that it would take to accomplish American independence in energy.
But the main one is the one that drives almost all activity in this Nation.
MONEY
Now, since you seem to be right on, on many subjects, and know your history. I'm inclined to think that you are not only educated but have an idea of the mistakes that previous administrations and the Idiot American State Dept have made.
I certainly hope that we can stop making such mistakes in the future, but with the flood of liberal socialists coming out of our universities, I'm not so sure we will be able to.
But when it comes to your take on Islam, your showing your ass.(even if you are a Muslim) You don't have to convince us that Islam is the enemy, we know that and we also know of the millions of Muslims that would like to separate your head from your shoulders if you try and tell them that Islam is different than they think it is.
Sure they are the uneducated, ignorant masses who only know about Islam from what their Mullahs and their betters tell them every day. Most can't even read or write. Most can't watch TV or listen to radio that is not along the line of more hate, more propaganda against the west and anyone not of their beliefs.
I wish you and those who are like you could raise an army and go either teach them right from wrong or kill their asses. But you and I know you will never be able to do that.
So..it boils down to this. Islam is its own worse enemy and the west will have to do the killing for you, because we don't think we could teach them a damn thing.
But we can hurry them on to their virgins.
But if you think that after they are taken care of, you moderate westernized Muslims can take over our Nation from within....
Forget about it, it will never happen.
Papa Ray
Hey 'MAS' guy:
The 'reform' for Islam or Muslims, have to come from within Islam and Muslims, living in nations which are Islamic and full of Muslims.
The religion is 'deformed' so it needs reform!
But the so-called 'moderates' have to act within their own territory.. Not in the West, and certainly not in the U.S.
Why are the 'moderates' so afraid to speak up in their own countries. Obviously we all know the answer. But if the 'radicals' are willing to die for their suicidal tendencies why are the so-called 'good' Muslims not willing to die for the good of the whole.
This is not a West problem. This is a Muslim problem. And until and unless Islam is saved from the Muslims, your 'reform' will only piss more people off.
I say you stick to previewing upcoming movies, or betting on the baseball playoffs, or even watching some good football this weekend instead.
Only then you will do your religion a favor. Don't be so involved with the religion. Live your life, choose a hobby, leave the religion to those who 'practice' it. God knows they need more practice. Be an example in your community. let people look up to you. And let your religion become secondary. Only then will you succeed in your attempts to prove you're no threat. But you will always be treated as a threat by your own kind.
Be well. And relax a little!
Papa Ray: But if you think that after they are taken care of, you moderate westernized Muslims can take over our Nation from within....
Forget about it, it will never happen.
I agree with you!
I think the modernized westernized Muslims should realize they are Americans who happen to be Muslim rather than Muslims who happen to be American.
I don't think religion and politic should not mix. And I definitely am against 'organized' religion. I also think religion should be about the remembrance of God, and not of running a nation, and a way of life.
That's where 'reform' needs to take place.
However, any Muslim will tell you: It's a major sin to reform Islam.
They just are too blind to see that Islam is already 'deformed.'
Religion should not rule life (period).
I don't think religion and politic should not mix.
I am such an idiot for not reviewing my comment(s).
Of course I didn't mean that as a double-negative:
Religion and Politics do NOT mix well. And the rule of the land is the rule of law. People are free to practice what they believe so long as it doesn't interfere and contradict with this reality. Any attempt(s) to change it by taking advantage of the democratic loophole is a sneaky way to do dishonor (and treason) at a minimum to the hand that feeds you at best, and an ignorant and un-Godly, unholy, as well as cowardly and dastardly at worst.
you are just an ignorant bigot, so I won’t waste my time on you..
Shiite, I love it when I get a bite! Hooked up just fine on my rusty hook, too.
Hang on there for a second whilst I rip it out of your lips...
Now then. You were saying? I'm a bigot? I give you advice about where you should be pulling your wagon for maximum effect and for that you call me a bigot?
God, how I love to shred lips:
Why don’t you accept responsibility for financing and supporting radical Muslims and stop doing that?
Why don't you tell your sick bastard brothers in the faith to quit killing us? We've got better things to do with our time than save your worthless butts from your own kind! You want to reform the radicals?
Where.Is.Your.Head?
You're talkin' to corn stalks in the middle of Nebraska when you ought to be rappin' your sick bastard brothers upside the head!
Don't blame us for your twisted evil religion, and certainly don't come over here using the ol' Bait and Switch Game. What do you drive BTW? A Lemon? Or are you just another sleezy Used Car Salesman trying to get rid of the Lemon you're stuck with?
/note to self: (1) BUY MORE AMMO. (2)BUY MORE TREBLE HOOKS.
RT I don't know what it is about these AssHats, but I'm thinkin' you must be putting out Stink Bait or something...
RT, “oil is a fungible commodity, if we do not buy it, somebody else will”
1. In theory, it sounds like a valid argument, but history proves it is not.
A. Oil embargo of ’73. Middle East produces one-third on world’s oil. How come the other two thirds did not fill the void?
B. If oil was truly fungible, would Chavez be selling it to the US? 11% of oil used in the US comes from Venezuela.
2. Economists predict that if the US cuts its oil consumption by 10%, world oil prices will be cut in half.
3. ANWR can produce the same amount of oil as US exports from Saudi Arabia.
“Islam thrives on poverty” - your ignorance is astounding. International terrorism is extremely expensive. I am not talking about some Palestinian inserting a stick of dynamite and blowing up Israeli checkpoint. I’m talking about organized sleeper cells in the West. They cost millions. Any formidable terrorism expert will tell you: poverty and terrorism do not correlate. For example, most 9/11 hijackers were from upper-middle class families.
Clinton withdrew from Somalia because he was a chicken shit. For the same reason, he did not take out bin Laden on multiple occasions.
Why would Israel or Greece attack the US? That is absurd. I am not arguing that Muslims are prone to violence on religious basis. But this is exactly what we are trying to change. Maybe YOU should read our website before to tell ME about Islam and violence.
“and what pisses me off, is that we wont directly target the source of the violence, the Islamic Clergy.” Well, that makes two of us. The difference between us though is that we are trying to expose them while you are giving them financial and political support.
“needs to go into their Mosques and kill them.....that burden should fall on the "Good Muslims"” Some American Muslim clergy would be a good start. However if WE do that, YOU will put us in YOUR jails. You seem to love radical Muslims. Just look at recent examples: Islamist parade on NYC, two days before 9/11. How many protesters show up? Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia University. Why is he allowed there?
Yes, we are in a race with time to save civilization, not just Western civilization. That’s why we expect the West to stop financing both sides in the War on Terror. Is that so much to ask?
MAS:
Yes, we are in a race with time to save civilization, not just Western civilization.
Here you go again!
Worry about saving yourself first. And the rest will take care of yourself. What kind of credibility do you have to come in here and preach that shit!
Why don't you go on Muslim sites and post those comments first. Try to convince your own kind before you come in here and give us a lesson in civility. And get the 'moderate' Muslims who are afraid to speak up and are overcome by the loudmouth radicals to get their own heads out of their asses.
And I say that as a 'Muslim.'
So early in the AM, so many BottomFeeders, so little time...
mohammedansAS -
“Islam thrives on poverty” - your ignorance is astounding.
Heh. And your Ass is hangin' out, and the reason you are blind is that your head is in it.
I see that you failed reading comprehension as well. My suggestion was that you get out of the Nebraska Corn Field you're standing in, and take your mission to Malaysia. I see that that motion has been seconded and voted on.
Bye-bye~~~
RT, some Saturday morning reading..
Annotating and updating Den Beste
Al-qaidas war for oil
Good reads, CM.
Yes, thanks CM. I had read Ben's piece some time ago, Tigerhawks comments are a welcome addition.
From Ben's piece:
The war, therefore, is against the ideological insurgency within Islam that pursues these objectives, and anybody who gives it aid, shelter or comfort.
This should read: ideological/political insurgency
Do you think he is including the Kingdom, which gives mainly aid in the form of money but other conforts also?
From the Middle Ground:
Deny the enemy secure, uncontested territory...
Deny the enemy resources in any area...
Continue to close their financial capabilities...
COIN mandates those conditions. Without them, such as was/is happening in Iraq's Capitol will continue.
But to deny them, the local population has to want to deny the "Insurgents"
I prefer the term "Murdering Bastards."
And there is the rub. Most do, but as long as some don't, aQ will always have a home in that city.
Then something not mentioned in either piece, which plays a big part in the Middle East.
Corruption. Corruption has always been a way of and a part of life there. Until that is changed, any progress is going to hampered greatly.
Papa Ray
as soon as their capabilities match ours, our rules of engagement will match theirs......and buddy, you dont want to know what kind of atrocities the West is capable of when we set our minds to it,
Nice touch, dw. Thank you for reminding the world that Muslims do not hold a monopoly on being "Murdering Bastards".
mohammedans Against Sharia - It's refreshing to see that we're not the only ones with a lock on smarmy, but at least we can demonstrate good reading comprehension.
How's that 12th Imam workin' out for ya?
MAS Sorry you missed my point quoting quoting RT. Everyone here understands my point but to explain it to you would sound blasphemous I am sure. It's that cultural/spiritual differential that no fair and equatable perspective can even comprehend let alone resolve. Reminds me of the statue in 'Revelations'. That one with feet of Iron and Cay. and the emphasis being that the feet are what keep the mighty statue form collapsing. Maybe man's history is spiritually regressing backwards. Not hard to see if you overlook the technology.
Sorry for being so dim, but I still fail to understand why “you dont want to know what kind of atrocities the West is capable of when we set our minds to it” is something to brag about. But taking into consideration that all non-Westerners come from backwards backgrounds, I’m sure you can enlighten me with your wisdom.
why you dont want to know what kind of atrocities the West is capable of when we set our minds to it
Let him who has ears...
But taking into consideration that all non-Westerners come from backwards backgrounds, I’m sure you can enlighten me with your wisdom.
Let him who has ears...
That puts it mildly. But of course.
Oh - And lest you forget - How's that 12th Imam workin' out for ya?
Heh.
I hink I can simplify for MAS.
We are tolerant to a faut. When we are finally fed up and pushed to far we become single minded in a united effort to end a problem once and for all. Well, on second thought we will at least draw a line and kill your ass if you cross it.
You are tolerant to a fault? Aren't you confusing tolerance with stupidity? Is letting Ahmadinejad speak at Columbia tolerance? No, it is providing aid and comfort to the enemy. It is probably criminal, and it is definitely stupid. Tolerance has nothing to do with that. Who spoke out against that? Moderate Muslims http://muslimsagainstsharia.blog...condemn-
in.html. Did you speak out against it or were you sitting on your ass picking your nose? Is installing religious ritual devices http://muslimsagainstsharia.blog...-
footbaths.html on public property tolerance? No, it is a violation of the Establishment Clause (separation of Church and State) and a concession to radical Islam. Did you speak out against that? But we did, because we know who the enemy is. Like it's not difficult enough that we have to fight Islamofascists, we also have to explain ourselves to dimwits like you. Why don't you stick you PC-BS tolerance (which is in fact stupidity) and bigotry up your ass and start using your head?
Well... I see we have another GoatButt-Friendly post from mohammedans Against Sharia, our Beacons of the Bizarre from the Cornfields of Nebraska.
Their theme is "We've never met an ear of Corn we couldn't husk".
My first suggestion was Malaysia. I now rescind that recommendation and suggest Iran. They'll be Craning your necks in no time a-tall.
MAS. My use of the word 'we' represents the individual conservatives and patriots within our nation. I was not necessarily referring to the Govedrnment of which is driven by political agenda.
Please consider this;
There was time when Christianity was the driving spiritual; force of this nation. To hear the left tell it they were a powerful and inclusive. If so how did they so easily lose that power overnight? Tolerance and secular progressiveness infiltrating our learning institutions.
The Liberal is not tolerant to a fault. He is tolerant for power and must destroy our social/political/spititual norms.
Surely you understand the consequence of dsestroying norms overnight. It is not easy unless you controll what the children are taught. And the ensueing social vacume is best filled quickly by bribery abd promises lest some other radical force see an opportunity.
You face that same challenge with your own goal of a 'moderate Islam'. Eliminate the radical clerics and pornography, the opposite extreme might take root unless a moderate view can immediately take the place of radical Islam.
My perspective may not be right on target but it is pointing in the right direction.
dw, I think we are making some progress. At least we agree on something: every religion/society has its degenerates. We have Ayatollah Komeinis who advise to have sex with babies and animals is OK; you have Cap’n DOCs who happily follow that advice. My point is that today we have a common enemy: Islamofascism. We cannot fight this alone; we need your help. And what you do (conservatives and liberals alike) is supporting Islamofascist politically and financially. Just because Saudi royal family do not shoot at Westerners themselves, it doesn’t make them your friends, but you sell $20 billion worth of arms to them. Just because Iranian mullahs do not themselves blow up Americans and Brits in Iraq, it doesn’t make them your friends, but you make $10 billion dollar contracts with them. All we want is for this support to stop. And all this “it’s the liberals” BS does not stand up to the facts. It may have been liberals who invited Ahmadinejad to Columbia or CAIR to congress, but it wasn’t liberals who were walking around with Saudi King Abdullah holding hands or taking pictures with Sami al-Arian.
I’m not trying to say it is all your fault. Of course we are responsible for most of what’s going on. But just as Iranian revolution would not have happened if Carter were not the president at the time, you are partially complicit in the shitstorm rising in the Middle East. Please, stop helping radicals, stop promoting them!
PS
If you feel compelled to abbreviate, please use “MASH”. “MAS”, is a commonly known acronym for Muslim American Society, an offspring of Muslim Brotherhood.
MAS:
You keep referring to us as "you," and until you think like you're part of us and refer to (and with) us as "us" and "we," you need to go back to where you came from!
Go away with your acronyms. Do you even know what MASH is?
metin, why the desire for inclusion all of a sudden? If you read the thread, posters made it clear to me from the beginning that I am not a part of you, that world is divided on people (Westerners) and scum (Muslims). As for MASH, it is rather presumptuous of you to assume that anyone knows less than you do. As I stated before, MAS (Muslim American Society) is a terrorist front and we don't want to be confused with it. If there were a group called North American Zinc Institute, they probably would not want to be abbreviated either.
MASH (thanx for letting us know what MAS represent and I will give you the benufit of doubt that you are what you say you are in this thread but I find it very interesting that you choose this conservative patriotic site to express your views. You's have better luck at support on any socialist/liberal site.)
Gettin involved here on a level I maybe should avoid but. I'd like to make two points.
First. Without oil our soceity would collapse and we would become more backwards and degenerate than some of the Mideast or Africa. It makes no difference as to 'whom' or 'why' we are and remain dependent upon oil, or weather that is good or evil, or weather or not we buy Middeastern oil or Mexican or South American as we must help preserve the flow lest Europe collapse and Europe is perfectly capable of becomming poster child for degeneracy in a crisis. (in my opinion) Also note the stability we provide to the world regardless of any oinions of our interests. Imagime the U.S. disappearing form the world scene and the vacume it would leave.
Second. Doc is one of our many unsung hero's. He was a medical corpsman during the Viet Nam war and he know's more than we about compassion in the middle of chaos and war and I find my self in agreement with him most often. If you can utterly dismiss him with conrempt I question your real interests.
With you MASH, I see not a language barrier, ... but a cultural use of language' barrier if you see my point. We use verbal slang and analogy to abreviate rhetoric lest we would never get done expressing a point or reading one. If you could understand it you would recogonize our honesty weather or not you agreed. The guys here may not agree with my perspective but I see them as emotionally and spiritually honest. No one here is putting of a false cloak of compassion and acceptence.
I percieve by your choice of words, as meten points out, that your are not 'of us' nor think in terms of 'assimilation'. You are persuing you own cultural/spiritul beleifs here in my country. If you remain here in 'our' country 'we' will have to concede more of our culture and beleifs to accomidate you as you grow. You may not put it in the same terms I do, but you would feel the same were your local mosque to somehow attract 'infidels' into the Muslim congregation and your sense of tolerance demanded that you allow them to remain and pervert your beleifs. If you see my point.
The tower of Babel was destroyed by God for our own good. The Chineese, Arabs, Blacks etc. having their own nations is right and good. Multi culturalism is insane and no example of it in history proves it to be progressive nor stable. On the contrary. Diversity without respected borders or social perameters is the root of all conflicts and easy for any tyrant or hatemonger to manipulte for power.
MASH are religeous refugee's in our nation, and any plans of MASH to stay here are based upon first, 'our tolerance of other faiths, and second their potential to establish a Muslim community that will grow and spread and sooner or later come to fighting with our culture and beleifs. You know very well you will not reform Muslims in the Middle East. I believe that to be your cover story and front for setting an Islamic shop here in America and the West.
Thank you, dw. You did good. I saw the 'clash' of Buddhism and Catholicism (if you want to call living side by side a clash, which it wasn't) whilst on my little vacation. The clash came about because of the God-less Communists and their minions. Never have I seen such disregard for humanity - never, until now...
I call these people mohammedans because that is exactly who and what they are. They are followers of a man no greater or lesser than you or I. I'm also not eliminating other folks who post here who have a legitimate voice. I do not tolerate lies and deceit or moral equivalence. Either a man is true to himself or he is not.
These individuals may or may not have a worthy goal in mind, but they are preaching to the wrong people. I've explained quite succinctly where they need to trot their cart, but they tend to be comfortable in the Cornfield - and frankly, I'd stay in the cornfield as well if I were playin' their game. Lot's of ears out there not capable of hearing a damnedable word they're sayin'.
Metin & Mash......this might be a first for the little Redneck blog......2 Muslims arguing about how fucked up Islam is.
And you all know what a big fan of Muslim on Muslim conflict I am.
dw,
“You's have better luck at support on any socialist/liberal site”
You mean we have a better chance of support from people who invited Ahmadinejad (Columbia)? Or from people who think that Gilchrist is a bigger villain than Ahmadinejad (Daily Kos)? Or from people who think that Bush is a bigger villain than bin Laden (AP poll of American public found that 25% of Americans think that Bush is the biggest villain alive and I doubt that those 25% were conservatives)? So what exactly made you think that we will get more support on a liberal forum? Don’t get me wrong; both sides have their retards, i.e., Cap’n DOC.
“Without oil our soceity would collapse”
Yes, it would. However, I never advocated giving up oil. I advocated giving up Middle Eastern oil. Less than a quarter of oil used in the US comes from the Middle East. It could be easily replaced by more conservation, expanded use of alternative energy and additional domestic drilling. ANWR can provide as much oil as being imported from Saudi Arabia, America’s largest source of Middle Eastern oil. Also, take a look at the largest South American country, Brazil. They are energy independent and they don’t have huge oil reserves. Is Brazil more technologically advanced than the United States?
Cap’n DOC is (and I mean it as a description, not an insult) is a fucking scumbag. He hates Muslims just for being Muslim. “There is NO difference between a moderate and radical mohammedan - ZERO.” Every Muslim who hates Christians just for being Christian is a fucking scumbag. I believe that everyone in this forum would agree with that, even that retard. Therefore the opposite is also true, no matter whether he is a war hero or not. I know of a great father, who loved his children so much, he built them palaces. But he still was a fucking scumbag named Saddam Hussein. Anyone who would claim that bigotry could be justified is either a moron or a liar.
I do not disagree with general notions of this forum; I’m just trying to cure some ignorance. By blaming Muslims as a whole, you are trying to treat cancer with a hammer. This is intellectual laziness. You are too lazy to try to figure out which Muslims need to be neutralized, and all I’m trying to do is to educate you. And it’s not that difficult to learn the difference between someone who advocates elimination of Israel or replacing the Constitution with the Koran and someone who protests Ahmadinejad’s visit to Columbia.
“but you would feel the same were your local mosque to somehow attract 'infidels' into the Muslim congregation and your sense of tolerance demanded that you allow them to remain and pervert your beleifs. If you see my point.” I do see your point. However, if you bother to read our blog/site, you point has no merit in regards to us. We specifically call for separation of Church (in this case Mosque) and State, because religion is a personal matter and has no place in public life. You complaining about encroachment, but did you anything do about footpaths in Indianapolis airport? (http://muslimsagainstsharia.blogspot.com/2007/09/
indianapolis-footbaths.html). We did.
Have you considered that some Muslims do not want to establish “Muslim community” in the West for a simple reason that if they did wanted to live in “Muslim community”, they would have lived in a Muslim country? Assuming you are a Christian, do you run around sticking your Christianity into people’s faces? Probably not, because it is nobody’s business. If you are Jewish, do you make it a point to live in a Jewish community? Probably not either. I know I’m going on a limb here, but could it be possible that some Muslims would feel the same way?
As for us setting up and Islamic shop, that is the biggest display of ignorance on your part so far. CAIR, MPAC, WAMY, MAS, ISNA, ICNA, AMA. MSA (I could go on) ARE Islamic shops as you put it. Those Islamic terrorist fronts openly state that their goal is to convert the United States into the Islamic state. And morons, in American government nonetheless, are welcoming and legitimizing those groups. But when someone like MASH or AIFD comes along, whose goal to expose and fight those groups we are being blamed for what CAIR does. Are you really that dumb and blind?
RT,
What in the world made you think that Metin is a Muslim?
What makes you think he ain't? I bet he's as Muslim as you are.
I dont really have a horse in the religion race....I think that gives me a better, and somewhat unbiased, perspective to see that Islam is not like any other religion on the planet.
Violence is a core tenet of Islam.
I am sure you will point out that Islam is less mature than the others, and that other religions have used violence as a tool in their pasts.....but that dont change the fact that Islam is promoting global violence IN THE NUCLEAR AGE....and thats a BIG difference.
But you know, to be honest with you, as Islamophobic as I proudly am, I also realize that even if Islam never existed we would still be having problems with the inferior cultures of the middle east getting their hands on stolen western nuclear technology. And if you dont think they're inferior I would have to question YOUR objectivity.
Islam is, in my opinion, not so much responsible for the violence in the Middle East as it is a product of it. It just encompasses all the violent cultural tendencies of the Arab tribes that made it up for use as a tool to control conquered populations, like they saw Judaism and Christianity doing before. As far as those hate mongers in Pakistan go.... they had their Pashtunwali code before Islam found its way there.....it just reinforced their already violent cultural tendencies.
Even if you could reform Islam, here, you can never reform Middle Eastern Culture from Nebraska......unless thats where your ICBM silos are.
And that begs the question of WHY that region was at one point in time arguably the most advanced in the world, and then, for some reason, it stagnated relative to the west.....and I think you have to give Islam some credit for that stagnation relative to the Christian West.
As far as oil goes, despite your answer above, Oil IS a fungible commodity. If we stopped buying their oil tomorrow it would not have any effect on the Islamist's mission to spread Jihad.....it would just give the Chinese considerably more influence in the region. Oil is the lifeblood of the geo-economy, and the faster we use Middle Eastern Oil the better the chances are of THEM running out first. 
RT: Great answer to an irresponsible question. I don't make my 'religion' a preference, having not had that privilege. A practicing Muslim and a Muslim who practices are two different animals. I choose actions over words, whereas others speak with words but without a 'real' purpose.
But at the end, you simply can't judge a book by its cover. Unless the author is O.J. and the title of the book is, "If I was a Muslim . . ."
I am an American, a human being who happens to have Islam listed on his record, kind of like a felony conviction that stays with you forever. Doesn't make it a crime to carry that label, but does tell people who you are. Once a Muslim always a Muslim to some, and to others, a Muslim who makes the best of the situation, and tries to erase the 'stereotypical' misconceptions about the label. However, it's very difficult as I keep running into those who think they're doing Islam a favor by trying to take it over from the fundamentalists, instead of 'exterminating' the very roots of the problem that's eating at the core.
I don't live my life, nor would I want others to, with the principles of an 'organized' religion. The label just comes along for the ride. I am a spiritualist at heart and a Sufi by choice, transcending the religious affiliations of humanity.
But you call me a Liberal, and I'll ask for my money back!
I am in fact a 'true' conservative, but not anything like those masquerading around Washington, D.C. nowadays. And I don't like the idea of Nebraska (or any other State) being used as the base for Islamic therapy. That needs to take place within the confines of where the problem is. We don't need 'saving' here in the USA. The Middle East needs to be saved from itself.
Even the Myanmar monks have better self-control when it comes to rising to the occasion!!!
mASH You have been exceedingly offended by Doc. He is the humanitarian here and probably would not help us do the evil that needs to be done to win this war. He would however go into the thick of battle with his medical kit to save lives on the battlefield. Yours too if you were captured. He has said nothing here anyone here totally disagrees with yet he has managed to offend you above others and you can see we are acknowledging and agreeing with his comments. Your hatred of Doc, and in relation to what we are 'all' saying here, is irrational.
I want to respond to your last comment tomorrow as Doc's comments and your response to him are very enlightening and took up my time tonight. Hope you doan leave just yet.
RT,
Aside of you being a degenerate bigot, you have no idea what you are talking about. You may possess the most knowledge among all of your cousins, but half of the statements that you make here are completely baseless. What kind of moron would say “I think that gives me a better, and somewhat unbiased, perspective” and follow by “as Islamophobic as I proudly am” and “inferior culture”. Or maybe you’re just too dumb to understand the difference between culture and society. All Islamic nuclear technology came from Russia and China. If Western idiots weren’t sitting on their asses after the iron curtain came down, all Soviet nuclear physicists would be working in some labs in American universities instead of Iraq, Iran, Libya, Pakistan, Syria and god knows where else.
“Islam is, in my opinion, not so much responsible for the violence in the Middle East as it is a product of it.” This statement wouldn’t sound as idiotic if Israel did not exist. Oil being fungible is purely theoretical argument; in real world it does not hold water. If the oil were fungible, ’73 embargo would not have worked and Chavez would not be selling it to the US. But even if you were right, and the oil were fungible, doesn’t the fact that Saudi Arabia got the US by the balls bother you a little bit? I guess not, since bitching, moaning, and being a degenerate Islamophobe is much easier that actually doing something constructive. There is enough oil in the Middle East to last for generations. Keep pumping money there and 9/11 would look like a child’s play.
metin,
Anyone who is embarrassed of being a Muslim is a pathetic excuse of a Muslim.
dw,
Anyone who thinks that there is no difference between a moderate Muslim and a radical Muslim is a moron. It is just as idiotic as to claim that all Christians are out to bomb abortion clinics and all priests molest little boys.
MAS(H): I am embarrassed of being a Muslim because of the likes of you. It has nothing to do with being a Muslim. Big difference!!!
You fail to notice the point.
A proud black man would still be embarrassed of being a black man if one of his own kind is guilty by association to being on death row for a crime he did in fact commit. It doesn't make him less 'black.'
The pathetic thing is that you waste all your energies in here trying to prove how you are a better Muslim and want to save the Muslims from the Muslims!
By the way, RT is right when he says even if it weren't for Islam, Middle East would still be full of idiots. I am sure he didn't include Israel in that equation, as most of the 'perceived' inhabitants of Israel are imports from Europe. The Arabs make up the collective Middle East that RT is referring to. And based on the cultural and social makeup of the region (at least as far as we can remember in our lifetimes), it is not anything that any Muslim can be proud of. Yeah, we can sit here and talk about the good old days. But even in the good old days, it was the non-Arabs (like the Ottoman Turks) who made something out of nothing. Islam owes a lot more to Turks than Turks owe to Islam. And the same is true of Arabs. If it was up to Arabs alone, Islam would not even be here today. But it is still the Arabs who 'mis-interpret' the religion to its current 'perceived' state that no one is proud of. And speaking of Arabs, what have they done for me (us) lately? I am pretty sure we're not talking about the average 'Western' Muslim when we refer to the collective Islam and Muslims.
Am only saying I see no evidence of the Moderate Muslom. Your tone here has become extreme once you realized we don't agree with nor trust you. I bet when you get real angry you will bridge that gap between moderate and radical.
You even refferenced a worse attck than 9/11 and in the context of supporting your claim that RT is stupid. You subtully suport the radicals as they would punish the infidel that offended you with suspicion and disagreement.
You are tolerated. What the hell more could you expect from us, beleif and conversion. I am being very civil as opposed to what I really think, as are you.
I wish, honestly wish that there could be peace and respect between Muslim and Crhistian. Probably all here do. But their is that lil problem called 'the real world'. Besides, their can be no peace unless Allah wills it.
BTW I am not Christian, I cannot follow any beleif that is rooted in the necessity of man's suffering, oppresssion, or living in fear of a God over offences that harm no one. i will however bend my knee out of respect for Christians, but not their God.
metin,
“A proud black man would still be embarrassed of being a black man” – your IQ must be in single digits. If you’re so embarrassed of being Muslim what stops you from leaving Islam? You don’t leave in Saudi Arabia, nobody will cut your head off for leaving. Why don’t you just admit that you are as full of crap as I would be if I claimed to be a Martian? Majority of Israelis are Sephardim Jews who look like Arabs. Those backwards Arabs, who comprise about 1/3 of modern Muslims gave humanity, among other things, numbers that you are using. Otherwise you’d still be using roman numerals.
dw,
“Am only saying I see no evidence of the Moderate Muslom.” Then maybe you need to be explained what moderate Muslim is. A moderate Muslim is a person of Islamic faith who does not feel that non-Muslims are inferior, or enemies of Islam, or some other bullshit that is part of Islamic fundamentalist dogma. I don’t care that you do not agree with me (even though every argument I presented is based ob facts) or you don’t trust me (even though I didn’t say anything that is not true). When you display utter stupidity or bigotry and you don’t like when I call you on that, you can run crying to your mommy or you can look at things objectively. “You even refferenced a worse attck than 9/11 and in the context of supporting your claim that RT is stupid.” Apparently you have reading comprehension problems, so let me break it down for you. I called RT a degenerate Islamophobe, because any type of bigotry is a display of degeneracy. My reference to an attack that will be worse than 9/11 had nothing to do with RT’s degeneracy. “Keep pumping money there and 9/11 would look like a child’s play” means that at some point Iran (or somebody else) will obtain nuclear weapons (or some other WMD) and they will use it against the West. Any WMD attack would have far more that 3,000 casualties. So, who in their right mind, can blame moderate Muslims for an Iranian nuclear bomb when the West gives Iran money to make that bomb? You are being civil, but you are also being stupid. Instead of politely explaining to a moderate Muslim that there is no difference between radicals and moderates, you might want to consider impolitely protesting when radicals are given forums by American universities. But that may actually require getting off your ass, which would make it undue burden. I don’t really care what religion or non-religion you are. What bothers me is your stupidity or bigotry that does not let you see the difference between the radicals and the moderates.
Get your head out of being stuck in the past and show me what have you done for me lately?
You need to first concentrate on making yourself a better person and worthy of respect before you call others to your 'cause.'
Stop wasting my time. You are full of crap and a disgrace to the religion you are so proud to be a member of. You're not a Muslim. You're a disgrace!
Learn how to formulate your point better!
My advice to you is to look in the mirror and stop calling people bigots, imbeciles, and stupid. Maybe start by being civil in the face of discourse and a little butt-hurt. Toughen up and lighten up! What kind of a religion you belong to?
Well - I didn't get much further than this -
is a fucking scumbag.That's really special, mas.
I musta struck a nerve.
I rescind my suggestion that you move anywhere outside the U.S. Go for Dearborn, Michigan. Not that I'm wishing you upon those who choose to follow your faith (or no faith at all), but at least you'll be among your own kind.
I'll relate a little story: We live on a fairly quiet street with only four houses on each side in a block. There are no apartment buildings per se, but there are large houses which have been converted to one and two bedroom apartments within several blocks of our home.
We used to have visits from two young missionaries of a religious group, never the same, always dressed in white shirts and ties. I like visiting with these guys, who believe they are doin' the work of their father, however their faith lacks substance, and has no foundation. Their prophet claimed to have the same sort of revelation that yours did, by the way. It's almost scary how much these religions have in common.
The visits usually lasted about an hour, and they always left of their own accord. Months later, we would get another visit, but never the same two gentlemen. Then, they quit coming. We see them as they come and go on their 'visits' to neighbors and such, but they don't come to the door anymore.
They got the message.
You see sirs, they didn't know their faith. Not it's history and not it's theology. You sirs, may have them both, but probably spend a good deal of your time defending the indefensible. Matter of fact, I probably know your history and theology better than you do.
So, I continue to suggest that you walk the walk and talk the talk in Dearborn, since it seems to be a likely spot for a message that's gonna meet some human deaf ears.
Don't hassle me with your message. Don't call me a fuckin' scumbag, unless you'd like to come to my home and give your message to me. No need to carry any weapons - your loose tongue will do just find. I guarantee you'll leave speechless. Study up. You need it.
"But when someone like MASH or AIFD comes along, whose goal to expose and fight those groups we are being blamed for what CAIR does. Are you really that dumb and blind?"
I don't think I have problems with MAS(H) or AIFD as much as I have a problem with you! and your tactics?
I wonder if MAS(H) or AIFD would approve of you, or would they rather be embarrassed.
Get a job . . . then an education . . . after that get some therapy! and get a life!
metin,
“show me what have you done for me lately?” Why in the world do you think that I have to do anything for you? “You need to first concentrate on making yourself a better person” What puts you in the position to assume that anyone is not a better person than you are? “You are full of crap and a disgrace to the religion you are so proud to be a member of.” Only a moron would claim that someone is a disgrace based on the fact that he/she is proud of being who he/she is. “My advice to you is to look in the mirror and stop calling people bigots, imbeciles, and stupid.” Why? Bigot, a person who is intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or race. When someone claims that there is no difference between moderate and radical Muslims, meaning that all Muslims are bad, it is bigotry, therefore the person who makes the statement is a bigot. Stupid, characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless. A Muslim who is embarrassed of being Muslims while having an option to leave Islam, is stupid. It is an accurate description. So, since you ARE stupid, why do you get offended of being called stupid? It makes just as much sense as if I were to get offended if somebody said that I had two arms. “I don't think I have problems with MAS(H) or AIFD as much as I have a problem with you! and your tactics?” Oh, so calling you on your bullshit and exposing what an idiot (or fraud) you are is unacceptable tactic? Is there any other way to get to the truth except for exposing the lie by using valid arguments? Since when calling an idiot an idiot became unacceptable? I’ll make you a deal, you stop displaying your idiocy, I won’t call you an idiot.
Cap’n DOC,
Chances are I know more about Islam (or any other religion for that matter) than you ever will. You vast knowledge about Islam seems to be confined to violence and pedophilia, which we expressly reject. And in case this statement is too complicated for you, we do not deny it, we admit it, but reject as incompatible with modern norms of humanity. I am not making it up as I go along, everything is posted in our manifesto.
You seem to be to dense to understand why you deserve that description (fucking scumbag), let me try to explain it so even someone of your intellect can get it. Just answer me one question, would it be reasonable to call a Muslim, who claims that all Christians are bad, a fucking scumbag?
Muslims Against Sharia How will you reform Islam from here? When I see you suffering threat, imtimidation, kidnappings and beheadings, paying ransoms, suicide bombings and destruction of you places of worship, your site hacked by radicals, and you living in fear for your fmily members, I will know your are telling the truth and having AN IMPACT but!
We here will be the battleground fcr the new Islamic revolution? Our courts and prisons will prosecute your enemies for you when they are enraged to action that should be more extreme than we have seen as you threaten their very existence wheras we only threaten their power? Our soceity will be viewed with even more hatred if we become your base of operations. In the fanatic's eyes we already support everything they hate and want dead or minimized. Now we will give refugee and protection to a group that wishes the very destruction of fundemental Islam?
You mentioned removing certain passages from the Quran. Christians did not remove rhetoric from the Old Testement. That paves the way for accusations and worse hatred. They had a prophet known as Jesus revolutionize their beleifs and later an unbeliebably bloody and horrible 'Reformation period' in response to the corruption and victimization of everyone.
Only a prophet will reform your faith and followed with much chaos and bloodshed.
It will take physical action to reform Islam! Are you working towards that end or just want to set up an example of reformed Islam here in the U.S. and Europe and from there? What? Grow and spread in America and Europe.
Now matter how good I view your goals, I see just another threat to all I believe and agree with. Multi culturalism and diversity will never unite us, on the contrary, multiculturalims and diversity are the very cause of our division and need for reunification.
If you can dismiss the above as 'ignorance and bigotry' I have nothing else to say to you, ever. I would even want you booted from or shorres as a potential threat for that attitude.
You came to this site on your own terms. Your arguements purely reflect your own interests and your rhetoric is rooted in and mirrors the Liberal mantra.
Are you sure you you understand that you are living within a host nation that generously tolerates your views and beleifs? Does that translate into a license to change us to your liking, make us your base of operations for reforming what you hate? How is it a 'given' that we are obligated to support and protect you. Could it be our fear of another 9/11 you so readily remind us of. You demand and expect that our fear obligates us to your cause?
Bullshit Muslims Against Sharia . I can't articulate it but you are not honest and are hiding much of wjat you really want and are working for.
Hey mash potato,
I'll make you a deal!
You continue making a mockery of yourself, and i promise i won't have to tell anyone how pathetic you are.
do you have a girlfriend? and how's your fasting going? now that you've regurgitated the same bullcrap over and over again...
"Chances are I know more about Islam (or an