Looks like the Professor won that round, Red State Rabble Rouser...is that why you seem so pissed.
Scientists always brag about how they welcome criticim...why the whining>
I find it amusing that you can defend Darwin's racist, sexist bigotted remarks fo easily.
Of course, you can only do this by equivocating and saying his words mean what you want them to mean.
I took the troube to get the book and read it. Your little diatribe here seriously misreprents it...I would hope others would take the trouble to invesitgate for themselves but it looks like nobody is commenting on your stuff anyway.
All in all, good comments. I don't think I've run acroos your point before, that whatever Hitler's real religion was, it was through appeals to Christianity and other traditional conservative values (as opposed to appealing to their "Darwinism") that Hitler was able to get the collusion of so many regular Germans. May I use that in my own arguments? I will crfedit you. Anyway, the whole thing is sort of like the science-haters are doing in the US right now, trying to find the right combo of "Big Lies" to get the peasants to reachin' for their pitchforks and torches.
Eric Root
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Was Darwin's statement racist? Of course it was; it explicitly holds negroes and "Australians" (aborigines, presumably) to be closer to gorillas than are Caucasians, and any shift in the meaning of "savage" and "civilized" is quite irrelevant. But does this make Darwin's statement a statement of social Darwinism? Not at all. Darwin's views here, on the position of "negroes and Australians" versus "Caucasians" were exactly the same as those held throughout his society, including, of course, the most religious members, so there's no connection at all between such racism and Darwin's specific views. And given this view of the relative positions of these "races", the mined quote is simply Darwinism applied, not social Darwinism. It would seem, from the quotes that Weikart gave, that he doesn't even know what social Darwinism is, since Darwin's quotes, in or out of context, say nothing at all about social matters. Social Darwinism holds that the positions of members of society are a natural consequent, a working out of natural laws. Whether or not Darwin believed this, the quotes given have nothing whatsoever to do with it.
From Hitler's Table Talk 27/10/1941
Nowhere does Hitler claim that human beings have evolved from apes ( a position he explicitly rejected in Table Talk).
From 27/10/1941 :-
'Heute wird am 10.00 Ukr in der Religionsstunde die Schoepfunggescchichte mit den Woerten der Bibel erzaehlt, waehrend un 11.00 Uhr die Entwicklungstheory vertreten wird. Beides widerspricht sich absolut.'
Without details of what was broadcast (presumably in a radio programme), there is no proof there that Hitler believed in the evolution of man (which he denies elswehere)
Hitler later says, in the same entry. 'Tastsache ist, dass wir willenlose Geschoepfe sind,dass es eine schoepferische Kraft aber gibt. Das leugnen zu wollen , ist Dummheit'.
My translation :-
Today at 10 o'clock in the Religion hour the creation story was told with the words of the Bible, while at 11 o'clock the theory of evolution was present. They absolutely contradict each other.'
'Fact is, that we are weak-willed creatures, but there is however a creative power. It is stupidity to want to deny that.'
Of course, it should be realised that Hitler was a nut.
In his table talk entry for 25/1/1942, Hitler says he favours theories that about 10,000 years ago a catastrophe happened between the Moon and the Earth, with floods and fires , causing a calamitous collapse of the golden civilisations which existed then, and leaving just a few people alive on the world, who were able to find higer ground. (Hitler also claims the Bible contains a garbled recollection of this event)
He thinks that just before this time, there might have been superior beings to us, as they would not have had to cope with the earth's atmospheric pressure.
He thinks religions contain a memory of this event and came into being because of it.
Nutcase.
A brilliant smack down of an academic phony Pat. I read Weikart's book and found it to be so intellectually shallow that I began to wonder how this guy ever got his job. It is a not too clever compendium of cherry-picked quotes, outlandish suppositions and tenuous connections.
Before reading this I thought the Dembski was to biggest fraud at the DI, now I know that Weikart is.
Hello RSR;
Talking about "workin' in a quote mine", I just have to share this with you.
In 'Rev. Dr.' Lenny Flank's Talkreason article Deception by Design, I found this wonderful quote:
The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ." (D. James Kennedy, Education; Public Problems and Private Solutions, Coral Ridge Ministries, 1993)
Let's do some intelligent design to it, shall we?
Such as this:
The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army ... who can invade the ... nation ...." (D. James Kennedy, ... Problems and ... Solutions, Coral Ridge Ministries, 1993)
Which nation is James Kennedy referring to here? Well, everybody can pick their choice - that's not important. What is important is that this can be used to show that James Kennedy himself is a Darwinist, and through guilt by association, Richard Weikart is a Darwinist as well.
keep up the good work!
- pwe
Can you show me one teaching of Jesus Hitler followed?
Do you think the bible teaches German supremacy, fascism, imperialism, and extermination of Jews as subhumans?
Also, the quote from Darwin plainly put Negroes and Australian aborigines lower on the evolutionary scale and closer to monkeys. That is the plain meaning.
You object to demonizing Darwin - is demonizing Christ and the apostles a noble calling?
Joe, it's too bad that earlier centuries of christians didn't think like you did...Martin Luther wrote a book called "On the Jews and Their Lies" which helped propogate religious persecution of Jews in Europe.
The fact is that antisemitism has had a religious (through a twisted form) basis for centuries before "Darwinism" ever came along.
Darwin never said anything about the Jews, and Darwin himself was coming to the idea that one couldn't really categorize people into different "races" because they're so similar.
That never stops YECs from ignoring centuries of history and blaming "darwinism" for stuff like the holocaust.
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