is this quibbling or do you consider this cutting and running? just curious as to your opinion on this considering the guy's own son was killed by zarqawi.
check it out.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/me...view/
index.html
i tend to agree with this guy's way of thinking. to each his own i guess huh?
i think it takes more thought and strength to follow his path than it does to destroy somebody with bombs. i dont consider it cowardly or running from a problem either.
*stands and applauds*
Hewho,
I think both you and Mr. Berg are sick f#cks. It must hurt to be so afflicted with Bush Derangement Syndrome that one does not blame the man who hacked off his own son's head with a dull knife while his son experienced the whole thing.
In case you dipsh#ts don't know it, we're at war. That al-Zarqawi was beheading people and leftists defended him as simply "defending his turf" is beyond reprehensible.
So I consider it quibbling...and despicable. Of course you agree with him. Both of you hate Bush (and America) so much that you would rather America lose so long as your ilk can score some political points against your ideological opponents.
That's sick, dude...but what else is new from you people?
i think it takes more thought and strength to follow his path than it does to destroy somebody with bombs
Oh, barf! Where's the flowers and the tie-dye freaks singing "Kumbaya"? The Islamofascists want you just as dead as they want me. You preferring dhimmitude doesn't change their desire to kill you.
jonathan you're an idiot if you think i hate the country i was born and raised in...
so shut the fuck up on that one.
it has nothing to do with not blaming zarqawi.. of course i blame the guy for killing berg and others, you seem to have missed the entire point. i dont have a political opponent nor am i trying to 'score' any points.
the point is violence begets violence. we're not solving any of this shit by what we are doing over in iraq, in fact i believe we have made the situation worse.
not agreeing with the president and his staff doesnt hurt in the least bit. it's part of my right as an american, i will use it.
no shit dumbass, we're fighting in a few wars right now, thanx for that bit of news captain obvious...
i dont think zarqawi was defending his 'turf' either. zarqawi marched his ass over there to iraq because we went there... we gave him all the reason he needed.
i really like how you and RV both throw around the word dhimmitude too. fuckin cracks me up. just because you looked up a 50 cent word and can throw it around doesnt mean shit to me. be careful, you start using arabic, might be mistaken for one of those terroists...
so where were all these 'islomofacists' at 10 years ago? 20 years ago? have they always wanted to kill us all? something is setting them off, did this just manifest itself out of nowhere? kinda funny, cuz we actually supported them when they were fighting the russians. but that was cool huh, cuz they fought for us, not against us.
lighten up on the rhetoric dude, you just come off as a pompous know-it-all with a giant stick up his ass.
just because i think non-violence is a higher/better path to take in most situations than war and destruction, im a flower loving hippy? give me a break. you have way too many stereotypes in that mellon of yours, maybe you should break down a few walls and stop trying to place everyone into neat little piles so you can 'understand' them better.
barf on that big boy 
dude the name of your blog say's everything about you... you like to crush things. little kids do that shit. grow up.
and if your gonna call me a sick fuck or a dipshit, at least have the nuts to spell the shit out... please.
man i would love to meet you in person JL, i really would 
Hewho, best post I've seen here in a great long while. way to go!
Leffingwell's post (an improper hijack of RV's blog) is filled with hate and ignorance. No different than the terrorists we're fighting.
But bottom line, if he wants to pee on your parade, he should do it on your blog, not RVs!
hewho,
just a quick link here. I didn't want to take up RV's room with responding to your question, but I posted on my blog. (And as you can see if you follow the link, I am not a rabid blogger)
http://jumpmaster82.blogspot.com/
Geez, I step out for a tattoo and look what happens...
First off, hewho and Jonathan:
Cut it out with the namecalling. I enjoy a good discussion, even a spirited debate. But there's no need for either of you to reduce the intelligence level of your comments by hurling needless invective.
Jonathan makes a good point about hewho's defense of Zarqawi. It truly is deranged for Michael Berg to blame Bush for all this and give a proverbial pass to the man who has personally beheaded Nick and many more hostages (American, Iraqi, and possibly others).
Zarqawi wasn't defending his turf. Neither did he go over to Iraq and begin terrorizing people simply because America was there. He was A CRAZY JIHADIST NUT and would be wanting to kill non-Muslims no matter where they are. He didn't need any further reason to hate us than what he already believed the Qu'ran told him: that non-Muslims must be converted or beheaded.
Pulling out of Iraq won't change that.
You're right about one thing, though. Something IS setting off the Islamofascists. The fact that America has troops in Iraq and Afghanistan is just more mental ammunition against us. But they hate us all the same, no matter what we do. Why they decided to go after us on 9-11, and continue to make unrelated attacks in countries like Spain, France, and England is puzzling.
no doubt RV, i dont come here to call people names. but it seems like everythime JL gets on here he starts commenting all high and mighty and he starts dropping names. i'm an admitted smart-ass and wont hesitate to join in with him, it's a bad habit, i'll admit.
in no way am i defending a person like zarqawi. and in the same light, i agree with berg's father in that we as a country cannot call ourselves completely free and clear of any responsibility in this mess. a lot of the actions we have taken as a government, representative of the american people, have in fact put fire under this whole situation
'The fact that America has troops in Iraq and Afghanistan is just more mental ammunition against us.'
that's exactly what berg's father is saying, and that is what i agree with.
i mean think about it, what if you were living in a country full of christians, and some of those christians were crazy fundamentalist that wanted to kill all muslims. so a powerful muslim country invades your christian country to 'liberate' it. kills many of your good christian friends and family in the process of trying to wipe out the bad ones. how would you react as a good christian of your country?
when i think about that honestly, i would have a very hard time as a good christian not to be raging mad at the muslims that invaded my country to help me, but have instead killed so many of my innocent friends. we're fucking with so many people's lives, the repricussion of wich are going to be felt for many years to come. it's sad but true.
"how would you react as a good christian of your country?"
hmm... faced with an overwhelming force whose firepower was overwhelmingly superior...
would I behead a Muslim on TV and show it to their country in order to show my Christians and my countrymen that we are not weak and we're not going to take it, and telling the muslims to get the hell out of my country?
I wouldn't, but I know a few guys that would do it gladly.
I could also name a few dozen folks who wouldn't take too much convincing to strap on a few pounds of explosives and run it into an occupying compound. After all, it's been done a few times on TV and movies, and hollywood told us they were all heroes.
Mind you, these guys are all a bunch of redneck numbnuts, but they'd do it.
Maybe some Muslims want to buzz my neighborhood looking to shoot child molesters. That's fine with me. But if they think they can bust down my doors anytime they want, I've got two friends that will be ready to greet them - Smith & Wesson. Aint nobody going to "liberate" me to an Islamic lifestyle, just because of a few crazy fundamentalist Christians.
>>how would you react as a good christian of your country?
Interesting premise. And I think I see what you're saying.
But even with that scenario, and our country turns into a Muslim version of "Red Dawn," let's say there is a resistance, a'la the "Wolverines" (if you haven't seen the movie, just play along) I can assure you that I wouldn't be capturing Muslims and holding them hostage before beheading them on camera. Nor would I be bombing markets and killing my countrymen as well as the Muslim invaders.
Yet that's what Zarqawi did.
I understand, to some degree, the anger that some people in that part of the world feel toward America. But I don't see it as a justification for their barbaric actions.
Nor as a reason to accuse President Bush of the responsibility for Nick Berg's brutal execution. That rests on Al Qaeda and, more specifically, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
I just hope that Iraq, now that they've elected a government and have named their new ministers of Defense, Interior, and National Security, can begin to "step up" some more. So we can stand down.
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