Deaniacs and fellow travelers love religion when it is pushing what they agree with, minimum wage, helping illegal immigration, big govenment etc.
I think that the head of the party of President Clinton and Senator Kerry would be more cautious about telling people to keep politics out of churches. Both of them preached in churches when on the campaign trail, and the "sermons" were overtly political
It always amuses me that the politicians on the left always so closely align themselves with their church, but their party as a whole seems so scared of those of faith. they run around calling people fundies, while their leaders run to the altar for votes.
Do you really think that struggles for Human Rights are fairly classified as purely "political" struggles?
Politics involves endorsing candidates, helping campaigns of candidates, manuevering for power once in office, raising money, and things that aren't really legislating or enforcing the laws.
There are things that politians do, such as make laws to protect or strip people of their human rights, pass budgets under which the government should operate, and write new laws that politics play a part in, but these are not political acts, they are acts of governance or legislating.
Being anti-war is moral choice, not a political one. Being anti-abortion is a moral choice, not a political one. Deciding to register as a Democrat or Republican is a political choice. Deciding wether or not to vote is a political choice.
There is a large difference between encouraging peopple to stand up for their rights and politics which is missed by many in this country, including some of our religious leaders.
Yeah, you never see the Left so often in churches than when it's election time. Then it's a big race to the black churches and it's all the clapping and swaying and lots of amens. It's rather disgusting.
I almost found myself in agreement with jandrew's pedantic civics lesson. However, when he got to the part about being anti-war as a moral decision, he lost me. Truly principled pacifists I can respect, but disagree with. But the anti-war people of today seem to be far more anti-Bush than anti-war. That is a political choice. I am sure that some, maybe most, are pro-choice out of some principle, but you have to be willfully naive to think that is not a political foundation of the Democratic party.
JD,
True, I was kind of out of it in during the Clinton years, but I don't remember the left getting upset that we were in Bosnia.
suprizing you don't have an amazon affiliaites link for ann coulters new book on your page.
Speaking of Howard Deaniac, I wonder how he's going to continue the "GOP Culture of Corruption" theme when the highest ranking democrat on the House Ethics Panel just resigned his position on that committee while he's being investigated for fraud.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060..._go_co/
mollohan
Plus that guy at the CIA who was just fired for leaking to the WaPo was one of Clintons former directors of intelligence programs AND a Kerry supporter (surprise, surprise). This one hurt natl security, AND it was entirely political. (Unlike the non outting of a non covert agent like Plame).. This guy was appointed by Sandy Berger. The other Clinton guy who was caught stealing classified documents. What is up with these people???
The Democrat Culture of Corruption (and hurting our country) continues......
P.S. Malkin has some great details on this leaker.
Okay, back to Howard Dean, the Scream Machine........
Howard Dean understand religion? Who would really expect a man who changed churches because of a difference of opinion over a bicycle path to understand religion?
Francis,
And don't forget when he said his favorite book in the New Testament was "The book of Job."
Heh.
This is the kind of rhetoric, along with the push to regulate (read: censor) blogs and talk radio, that makes me nervous when I consider the real possibility of a Democrat majority in congress and a president who seems unaware he can veto. Or a Democrat president taking his place.
Speaking of Howard Deaniac, I wonder how he's going to continue the "GOP Culture of Corruption" theme when the highest ranking democrat on the House Ethics Panel just resigned his position on that committee while he's being investigated for fraud.
Several points here, one- he stopped down voluntarily until the investigation is over, instead of blaming everybody but himself. two - the complaint was filed by some right-wing think tank, so it "might" have been politically motivated. There should be an investigation, and if he's found guilty, he SHOULD lose his job and go to jail, thats called 'justice'. Unlike most of the republicans who are under suspection, who blame the media and 'left-wing radicals' for their problems, its called responsibility, I'd really like to see the republicans have some. Case in point, is Tom Delay, what a loser, stays in the race until he can fill his coffers, then quits. Come to find out the only reason he stayed in the race was to get more money for his legal defense fund. So, all those people who gave to his campaign to get him elected, he screwed, and he planned to use that money all along to pay his lawyers.
Howdy ya'll. Just thought I'd stop back by and see your still drinking the kool-aid, and appearantly, you still are...
Another point. So, its ok for our government to have secret prisons, torture anybody they choose, and for those we don't torture, its ok for us to send them off to other countries so their regimes can do the dirty work for us? This is OK? You support this? Is this what the USA has become?
In WWII, many lives were saved, and many battles ended early because the enemy KNEW if they surrendered to the US, they would be treated humanly, now, we are known for torture, so from now on, battles will not end early and additional US troops will be killed, because the enemies will not surrender and will instead fight to the death, how is THIS supporting our troops? This is why so many generals have spoken out against torture!
Again, all you do is blame others for leaking, instead of dealing with the issues.
Please don't give me that b/s about 9/11 changed everything, I'm so tired of that!
another point, churches and the civil rights movement is different than churches that have get out the vote drives, and pasters that preach for or against one candidate or another. That is what Dean is talking about.
JoeTx.
Haven't you been reading the news? Looks like the secret prison story might be turning out to be a leftwing lie. And we don't blame others for leaking. She was kind of...fired, for lying on a polygraph test no less.
You just keep on believing that the U.S. is known for torture and not for freedom. Keep on believing that Democrats are virtuous and not the corrupt politicians they are. Keep believing that the the get out the vote drives didn't START in the black churches during the civil rights movement.
In other words, I may be drinking koolaid, but at least I don't have my head up my....oh excuse me. I don't what came over me. Let me start again. At least I don't have my head in the sand.
Tough
Strong
Unconstitutional.
Please don't give me that b/s about 9/11 changed everything, I'm so tired of that!
Yeah, you're right 9/11 didn't change a thing!
There were people on the left against Bosnia but Clinton did that as part of a NATO obligation, not a "coalition of the willing" with countries that most people had to look up on a map.
patricks, you had to look up England, Australia and Italy on a map???? Wow.
"Howard Dean doesn't make sense ... again"
Isn't that the literary equivalent of saying a one legged duck swims in a circle, or that a bear shits in the woods?
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