its a complete myth hat muslims bully us and impose their own opinions. If catholics and muslims want a boring my religion is better than your bitch fight it is no concern of mine. I don't care about the pope.
why not post about how filthy stinking rich the catholic church is at the expense of the poor?
At the expense of the poor ? Give me a break, bones. You may not like the Church, but to ignore all the good that they do is assinine.
Beth:
Do you feel that the Europeans backed down to terrorists, or are you just upset becuase they take a different approach to "minority rights" in their countries than we do here.
Which "Muslim values" that aren't shared by Christians are predominate in which European countries?
I don't know if you were around for the race riots in the 60's (I wasn't), but there were plenty of people back then who accused the U.S. government of not having the backbone to stand up to dangerous minorities then too.
Do you think it is possible that the European Nations you so easily deride as lacking backbone actually have a significant number of Muslims who are angry about the treatment they recieve, but aren't actually terrorists?
Your racist rhetoric and baiting of European governments into religous profiling is disturbing to say the least.
Which "Muslim values" that aren't shared by Christians are predominate in which European countries?
The right to burn cars.
The right to riot.
The right to stab apostates to death.
Honor killings.
The right to proclaim that a minority should be subject to its own (sharia) law.
France, Holland, Great Britain.
MarkD, you left out a couple of Muslim values that aren't shared by Christians:
Muslims also demand the right to decapitate with a rusty knife those with whom they disagree; the right to proclaim death fatwas against those with whom they disagree, etc. I haven't seen ANY Christians or Jews declaring for those same rights. Of course, the secular left knows all about killing. They have lots of experience killing unborn humans who are still in the womb. No wonder the lefties identify so much with the "Religion of Death," the Muslims.
Links, links, Links
This last one is wierd becuase of this:
He notes that in Europe no one demonstrated against the Danish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad - apart from two protests in Britain. - Sydney Morning Herald, 9/12/2006
So the Austrailians are being fed some claim that there were not storms of protestors threatening to destroy Europe, and we are being told something different.....hmmm..... How many are still against using the largely Christian Mexican and Central American's for our cheap labor???
mark d that is a tiny amount of Muslims. that is like saying the racist BNP are an example of your average white person in he UK
JD- what good does the catholic church do? granted some individual catholics do a lot of good but the church itself? No way.
Mark:
Very enlightening, thanks. I wasn't aware such things were now considered predominate in those countries.
Gary:
You misunderstood the question, and forgot to mention which societies are predominated by those fighting for the "right to decapitate with a rusty knife those with whom they disagree".
We really aren't getting anywhere near close to living in peace in this generation are we?
GaryK:
Weren't those the same "values" that the Japanese were pushing on us during WWII?
What makes you think they are distinctly Muslim?
GaryK:
I think the Northern Vietnamese were also pushing for the same thing in the late 50's and throughout the 60's?
And the North Koreans were pushing for "rusty knife rights" before them, no?
And before them it was the American Communist Party, if my time line is correct?
I just don't see it as a "muslim movement" it seems to be popular with all groups we have opposed historically.
Good to see the Europeans getting a spine. Hope they stand up to the muslim murderers, thugs and bullies.
Now if we can get the liberals in America to find their backbone. But we can't even get the liberal men to find their pair.
DON'T FORGET muslims right to mutilate young girls' vaginas- female circumcision- so they will remain chaste.
Also, their right to hang teenage girls in public.
ALSO_ i have jandrew figgered out!
He's Mister Opposite!
I don't know where to start with this prejudice-fest you're having here. Perhaps I'll just quote from the scriptures ... and by scriptures, I mean Men in Black:
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."
Every time you spout off about Muslims this and Christians that and Papal he said she said, you encourage prejudice and erode the chances for rational discourse.
its a complete myth hat muslims bully us and impose their own opinions.
Fool.
By emphasizing the racial, national or religious statistics of crimes such as these, attention is taken from the crimes ... and is placed into the division of people. This is counterproductive to the goal of reducing these crimes.
As far as beheading is concerned, its just a form of killing. Its certainly no less brutal than the bleeding to death from abdominal wounds or suffocating in a collapsed building. The attempt to construct "ethical" manners to kill people is just rationalization. And Bin Laden (dead or no) instructed the 9/11 murderers to make their blades sharp so as to reduce the suffering of the victims. Still makes them murderers. And again, it has nothing to do with their race nor religion.
As far as female circumcision is concerned, its not religion specific either. The root cause is a form of sexism that seeks to subjegate women. And up until recently, was practiced in the US. The Senate of the United States ratified the "Federal Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation Act" in 1995.
That was a powerful film Nik E. Poo. It really spoke for our generation.
Insult Allah,
earn a death sentence.
Insult Jesus,
earn a spot on Larry King Live
While we're being glib ... I'll take the death sentence.
"What makes you think they are distinctly Muslim?"
Why does it matter? They are the ones doing it now. We shouldn't respond to force with force, and we shouldn't acknowledge the deranged element of fanatical Islam because - it's not something else?
I think that bow tie is fatwa worthy.
"As far as female circumcision is concerned, its not religion specific either. The root cause is a form of sexism that seeks to subjegate women. And up until recently, was practiced in the US. The Senate of the United States ratified the "Federal Prohibition of Female Genital Mutilation Act" in 1995."
Why does it matter if it is religion specific?
9:18 was me, btw.
He notes that in Europe no one demonstrated against the Danish cartoons depicting the Prophet Muhammad - apart from two protests in Britain. - Sydney Morning Herald, 9/12/2006
They must have missed this one (France) and this one (Spain). Here was a one-man protest (Italy):
In Rome, Italy, a funeral was being held for an Italian priest shot to death in Turkey, allegedly by a Muslim teenager angered by the cartoons. The Rev. Andrea Santoro, 60, was killed Sunday while praying in his Black Sea coast church. Turkish media, citing unnamed police officials, said the 16-year-old suspect told interrogators he killed Santoro to avenge the publication of the drawings.
I've read through these comments and rather than addressing some of the specific comments I'm finding myself wondering what is wrong with calling something what it is.
Someone asked if I thought Europe had lost it's backbone - yes, I do. Something is terribly wrong in Europe. I've read several articles tonight in which various European authors are advocating appeasement.
Avoiding conflict only creates unavoidable conflict.
I hope Europe will reclaim it's Norse roots and stop appologizing for being more successful than other parts of the world. Others have the same opportunities and could do what we have done - and we are more than glad to help them - but we don't need to keep applogizing for our successes and making excuses for those who live in a constant state of victimhood.
Here's a better summary:
Muslims held demonstrations in European cities over the cartoons. French police estimated that 7,200 people took part in a march through central Paris, waving banners and chanting, but the atmosphere was peaceful and many families took part.
France's Muslim Council had urged the country's 5 million Muslims to stay calm. The council had tried in vain to block the satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo from reprinting the cartoons earlier this week.
In London, up to 4,000 demonstrators converged on Trafalgar Square on Saturday, joining the capital's Mayor Ken Livingstone in a protest against the publication of the cartoons.
...
About 2,500 Muslims marched peacefully through the German city of Duesseldorf, past the Danish consulate, and in Berlin about 1,200 gathered outside the Danish embassy.
In the Swiss capital, Berne, about 1,000 people held a peaceful protest outside the parliament building.
Regarding my earlier (seemingly exaggerated) assertion ... q.e.d.
We now return you to your prejudice-fest already in progress.
Beth,
Being a Swede by heritage all my grandparents are from the old country, I hear alot from our Norse relatives.
Basically, the muslims, they did it to themselves, they didn't merge with the country, they tried to divide, they assassinated a much beloved prime minister, another person ( a women) rising in the governments was disemboweled in front of thousands - the constant protests and as the last straw plots against the British and American embassys
(Me, I would have turned conservative 12 years ago when they killed the Prime Minister after his trip to Iran)
but, better late than never.
Don't think this is a fluke, this has teeth, it may go back and forth for a while, but the conservatives in europe are not 25% anymore their numbers have doubled.
But they also have alot of work to do
As far as beheading is concerned, its just a form of killing. Its certainly no less brutal than the bleeding to death from abdominal wounds or suffocating in a collapsed building.
That's not correct. It may not seem more painful or tragic from the victim's point of view, but the fact is that it is far more brutal.
Something is terribly wrong in Europe.... Norse roots? Europe? Something is wrong with your comprehension of all his babes.
But they also have alot of work to do
If it doesn't happen quick, demographics will overtake them.
I was wondering about Norse Roots, myself.
maybe you mean Norse Robots Beth.
The thing is you are "talking up a war" Beth, guys and as some of you are Catholic this dissapoints me.
You could be actively engaged in doing proper peace deals with real Islamists much better than I ever could yet you choose not to.
fascinating.
Purple Avenger-
our demographics are fine. We just got pulled into a war where significant enough numbers of Muslims were blown up for four of them to feel like blowing up over here.
If Islam is the orange and it got a squeeze "over there" think of them as the pips mate.
BigDog,
Maybe I'm not following you comment on Beths Norse Roots but the following countries are considered Norse
100%
Sweden
Finland
Denmark
Norway
Latvia
Estonia
Iceland
70% or more
Ukraine
Czech
Germany
Austria
50%
Holland
Great Britain
Scotland
Ireland
Source my Grandmother
your grandmother would probably get a serious argument from ten on tha list but never mind.
as i was saying, why talk up a war eric?
The only reason the Vickings ever went to Scotland was to play golf, and they got their asses handed to them.
I read it in a Hagar the Horrible strip once.
Purple:
We on for $100?
geoff:
Thanks for doing the legwork. Seems odd that the Austrailian "paper of record" would downplay Muslim protests in Europe, no?
It was an editorial, but still.
beth:
Your philosophy of "avioding conflict only creates unavoidable conflict"..... how does that work out for you?
You do realize there are ways to handle conflict other than through flexing muscle and asserting "predominance" over those you have a conflict with, don't you?
I don't think it takes much back-bone to pick on minority populations that don't pose any real threat to you. It takes much more back-bone (and bravery, and faith in humanity) to get these people to assist you in finding those that pose a danger than it does to simply treat them all as suspects.
But then again, perhaps if you start to question their will, perhaps they will go on the offensive and do some real harm to these "muslims", which is what you really want, right?
I've read several articles tonight in which various European authors are advocating appeasement.
I'm sure we have vastly differing opinions on what "appeasement" means.
Under your definition, did the North "appease" the South after the Civil war by allowing them back into the union?
Were leader of the Civil Rights movement of the 60's "appeased" by business owners in the South? Should they have shown more "backbone" and continued the practice of not allowing minorities into their restaurants, hotels and bars?
I believe tha scientific term for that is the "Bork Bork Bork Demographic Distribution".
It was an editorial, but still.
It struck me as an odd fact, so I checked it. I think only the violent protests got any significant press.
Grandma's list is full of crap.
Bush shows his love for the European Union:
Q If I may, Mr. President, do you agree with the analysis from the counter chief European -- counterterrorism chief European spokesman who said today that the international support for terrorism has receded. Do you agree with that? And do you see the tension between two important allies of yours, Pakistan and Afghanistan, undermining your effort to get Osama bin Laden? Thank you.
PRESIDENT BUSH: It's a four-part question. First of all, I didn't -- what was this person a spokesman for?
Q Counterterrorism chief in Europe.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Some obscure spokesman?
Q No, actually, he has a name.
PRESIDENT BUSH: Okay, he's a got a name. Well, no, I don't agree with the spokesman for the obscure organization that said that the international commitment to fighting terror is declining.
Didn't Bush appease Qaddafi ... a man who is actually believed to have sponsored acts of terrorism that twice (Berlin Discotheque and Pan Am over Lockerbie) resulted in America deaths.
appease Qaddafi? Bush? That must have been someone else. Not on my watch mate.
She's coming to get you Bigdog.....
She's going to Crepe all over you
but here's a medical study rpoving geneteically, most central and Northern europeans are Norse
http://www.mun.ca/mst/heroicage/...ues/5/
arch.html
where does it say anything about central europeans? where does it back up the statistics you posted earlier ?
only one country on that list could even be considered central european.
as i was saying why do you talk up a war with no opposing army Eric?
Dave Bones,
Who's talking up a war, i'm not and really I have no idea what you are talking about, please fill me in.
Also, not getting into basics but Cancer research all pure blooded vikings have extra chromosones and a unique genetic marker, a blood test of several thousand europeans with blond, brown and Red hair are showing that they are indeed direct viking Descendants including the Scotts (100%) and the Celts (100%)
Its a science thing
now that I've researched a little Great Britain goes to the 100% and is an Official Scandinavian country by my grandmother's proclamation
>all pure blooded vikings have extra chromosones
Um, I'm only a high school graduate, but a human being with an extra chromasome is likely to have horns or a tail- that is to say, not quite a human being any more.
DNA rules are pretty strict on this sort of thing.
Barry,
well whatever it is I just saw the Viking exhibit in Houston a while back and several documentaries. I had no Idea that the Swedes ruled russia for several hundred years and so on, I just thought they made wicked alcohol and boats
the gentic marker or whatever they call it anyway its a unique thing because of some tendancies to prevent cancer.
But it makes a good story
and if the brits are 100 percent viking I have horns and a tail too.
you all talk up a war, exagerating iferenes with Islam, the whole post is about this. Dehumanize your enemy so you dont feel bad about seeing their childrens chared remains.
jandrew, you are incapable of understanding the point I was making: While wanting to decapitate those with whom they disagree is distinctly a Muslim trait, it is NOT an American trait. Stop trying to twist the meanings of what I post. You obviously failed reading comprehension class--no wonder you're a lawyer.
Dave,
Do you feel like riding a Clydsedale over a hedge in France and carrying off the women and the family Jewels
Do you find yourself strangely attracted to Redheads
do you have a knack for sailing
Do you sometimes shout Vahalla when you stub your toe
Do you sometimes not wear a coat in cold weather
Are you living in a wet cold climate 7 months out of the year
Hey you might be a viking
BTw the word Norman is Norse for North men (or so my Grandma Says)
Actually, I thought "Norman" referred to those who were from Normandy (a coastal province in western France) - at least, that what what I read when I looked into the history behind my father's name.
~EdT.
Normandy was named after the Norse men who conquered it and ruled it and England.....
Face it you are strangly attracted to IKEA furniture - you might be a viking
As the say if the battleaxe fits
jandrew, you are incapable of understanding the point I was making: While wanting to decapitate those with whom they disagree is distinctly a Muslim trait, it is NOT an American trait. - Gary K.
Here's a link to a picture of a Japanese soldier decapatating and American soldier in WWII. (Not that graphic). It was used by the U.S. Media to teach us how cruel and inhumane all Japaese people were during WWII.
Perhaps you meant to say it was not a distinctly Muslim trait in your later post, however this would contradict your earlier post.
Also, your comment was:
"MarkD, you left out a couple of Muslim values that aren't shared by Christians:
Muslims also demand the right to decapitate with a rusty knife those with whom they disagree; "
and it appeared on a thread about the European response to Muslims in their population. Why are you bringing up American values now?
Where were the rally demanding this "right" held anyways? I think you entire premise may be based on assumptions that simply aren't true. Perhaps if you could do a little research?
Didn't we appease Osama Bin Laden by closing all our military bases in Saudi Arabia? That must have been Clinton that did that right?
jandrew, I'm surprised you know anything about World War II. As an aside, I wonder--which side were you on? Would you have rooted for the Allies? The Axis? Or perhaps you would only have rooted for you fellow lefty "allies" in the USSR? You know, friendly ol' Uncle Joe Stalin?
Yes, I know plenty of other cultures have supported beheadings, like the Japanese during WWII. But I'm talking about the here and now! It's what Muslims routinely do to their prisoners, and what we do NOT do. Hell, the prisoners in Gitmo are all gaining weight. They've never been fed so well as when they're under our 'care.'
So, jandrew, stop trying to paint everything the US does in a negative light. Otherwise, we'll all just start thinking that you're rooting for the other side! Oh, wait, you already are rooting for the other side. Never mind!
GaryK:
This thread is about the European's finally "growing a backbone" by treating all Muslims as terrorists. I made every attempt to stay on topic, but your comments seem to come from left field and don't even relate back to your own previous comments.
For you to come back with a personal attack on my patriotism reaks of desperation. Do you actually have a point you are trying to make, perhaps that there are some terrorist groups in Iraq that are inhumane and behead their victims?
I'm having trouble finding why you are so angry at my request that you not attempt to blame their actions on European Muslims, which were a part of the topic of this thread.
Malaysia is the most Muslim nation on earth. Does their government protect this "right of beheading with a rusty knife?
Educate yourself.
There has been about 20 beheadings in Thailand in the last 2 1/2 years, and Islamic insurgents in the South are behind these.
I just don't believe that their is any Muslim group that is claiming it as a "right".
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