There are other reasons they people support abortion. Here are a few:
Jews needed abortion when daughters got pregnant by gentiles.
Angry women whose husbands were caught cheating when she was pregnant. This was actual testimony in Congress! (She wanted to "get him" by aborting his baby!) The rich elites who want to keep the "population down".
and the minister is the man who can straighten that idea out if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
God forbid it should ever occur to them.
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>In an interview in the New York Times Justice Ginsburg discusses...
In that same interview, she makes comments about the Sotomayor nomination. Completely uncalled for.
Sparkle,
I have studied Margaret Sanger. You say that people take what Rush says out of context, I'm afraid you've done the same with Sanger in this instance. What you have written about her is not representative of the facts.
Please read this article (from the Margaret Sanger Papers Project sponsored by the Department of history at New York University (NYU).
http://www.nyu.edu/projects/
sang...ce_control.html
But specifically this paragraph (and the last paragraph - not included here):
"Sanger reiterated the need for black ministers to head up the project in a letter to Clarence Gamble in Dec. 1939, arguing that: "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." This passage has been repeatedly extracted by Sanger's detractors as evidence that she led a calculated effort to reduce the black population against their will. From African-American activist Angela Davis on the left to conservative commentator Dinesh D'Souza on the right, this statement alone has condemned Sanger to a perpetual waltz with Hitler and the KKK. Davis quoted the incendiary passage in her 1983 Women, Race and Class, claiming that the Negro Project "confirmed the ideological victory of the racism associated with eugenic ideas." D'Souza used the quote to buttress erroneous claims that Sanger called blacks "human weeds" and a "menace to civilization" in his best-selling 1995 book The End of Racism. The argument that Sanger co-opted black clergy and community leaders to exterminate their own race not only gives Sanger unwarranted credit as a remarkably cunning manipulator, but also suggests that African-Americans were passive receptors of birth control reform, incapable of making their own decisions about family size; and that black leaders were ignorant and gullible."
Sanger was attempting to educate the black population about birth control (the link explains her thinking in this regard). She was saying that black ministers would be able to dispel fears that white people were attempting to "exterminate" them, not that black ministers would be better able to "pull the wool over the eyes" of the congregation while she was trying to kill them all.
Believe what you wish. I suggest you read this:
http://www.blackgenocide.org/sanger.html
and thiis:
http://www.blackgenocide.org/negro.html
I remember back in the early 90s the president of Rutgers University got himself in trouble by giving a speech somewhere where he basically admitted that blacks needed a lot more help because intelligence-wise, they just couldn't match up with their white counterparts. That's not exactly what he said, but that was the gist. He got into a lot of trouble.
Rush laughed about it and said, what's the big deal....that finally a liberal admitted what they really think and why they feel minorities need all that extra help.....because basically liberals felt these people were inferior to whites. Anyway, Rush was amused at how every now and then the mask slips and liberals say what they really are thinking. He said something about how "What do you think all those affirmative action, lowering standards, etc. programs are all about?"....
Sparkle,
I believe it because it's true.
Did you know that she was opposed to abortion?
In a speech she gave entitled The Morality of Birth Control she says this, “While Nature’s way of reducing her numbers is controlled by disease, famine and war, primitive man has achieved the same results by infanticide, exposure of infants, the abandonment of children, and by abortion. But such ways of controlling population is no longer possible for us. We have attained high standards of life, and along the lines of science must we conduct such control. We must begin farther back and control the beginnings of life. We must control conception. This is a better method, it is a more civilized method, for it involves not only greater forethought for others, but finally a higher sanction for the value of life itself.”
People pinpoint her use of the word “race” to mean anyone other than what she was, which was white. But that is not the case. She is referring to the Human Race. Same speech “In the second place, it is not only inevitable, but it is right to control the size of the family for by this control and adjustment we can raise the level and the standards of the human race.”
Her goal was to give everyone access to birth control, and it had nothing to do with the extermination of someone with a different skin color.
In the same speech she goes on to say this...
"Society is divided into three groups. Those intelligent and wealthy members of the upper classes who have obtained knowledge of Birth Control and exercise it in regulating the size of their families. They have already benefited by this knowledge, and are today considered the most respectable and moral members of the community. They have only children when they desire, and all society points to them as types that should perpetuate their kind.
The second group is equally intelligent and responsible. They desire to control the size of their families, but are unable to obtain knowledge or to put such available knowledge into practice.
The third are those irresponsible and reckless ones having little regard for the consequence of their acts, or whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers. Many of this group are diseased, feeble-minded, and are of the pauper element dependent entirely upon the normal and fit members of society for their support. There is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped. For if they are not able to support and care for themselves, they should certainly not be allowed to bring offspring into this world for others to look after. We do not believe that filling the earth with misery, poverty and disease is moral. And it is our desire and intention to carry on our crusade until the perpetuation of such conditions has ceased."
Of course I knew she was opposed to abortion. Only the modern feminists brought destroying our unborn children into the realm of reality. Women in Sanger's generation realized what blessings they had. It never entered their mind to kill tlhem.
The only problem with how Sanger thought is that she or others seem to be the ones deciding who shouldn't have children. Remember,my father was born to a dirt poor teen mother. I'm sure Sanger would have seen him as one of those who shouldn't be here. I'm sure she would have thought my grandmother should have used birth control. But we are not the ones who see the future. Every life matters. That's it.
The premise of the entire post is a logical fallacy. "Liberal A made comment that I interpret to mean X. Therefore, all liberals believe X."
Sometimes I can't bear to read one more defense of the killing of unborn children. Today is one of those days. Sorry, just can't.
I will give heyzeus his point. Do I believe that everyday Democrats believe in abortion to get rid of blacks? No, of course not.
My point was that at the very heart of an elitist's belief is that it's better for certain children of certain people not to be born. They may not even admit that to themselves, but it is really all about "more the fit and less for the unfit."
Black women are 3 times more likely to have abortions than white women. I don't think this is a natural inclination. Abortion clinics were built in poor sections of the cities for a reason. Liberal elite convince themselves that "it's better" for women to abort their children if times are hard for them. As I said, thank God my grandmother didn't feel that way or been visted by those kind of elite liberals who would have urged her to abort in her circumstances.
Until we realize that every life matters, that we can't judge whether a life is worthy just by the circustances surrounding it, then we will forever be doomed to the culture of death.
The Pope gave Obama a booklet to day titled "The dignity of a person." I hope he reads it and takes it to heart.
heyzeus needs to understand that simply because a premise is unstated or not understood does not mean that it is not a logical necessity despite how unpleasant it might be to admit to it.
That's really not how logic works, Mark. What you've described is "how to interpret something from your own viewpoint," which is what we all do as humans in forming opinions. But it's also subject to bias.
Not incidentally, Ginsburg is not endorsing a personal viewpoint in favor of eugenics. The full context of her quote makes that clear.
Actually logic can work that way. It is valid to point out the logical results of of a position if there are no barriers to it being reached.
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