Hi,
I know this is off topic, but maybe you can help as public spaces and transportation is qa common interest. Basically, I am trying to find a photo to show space required by walking, cars, bikes and bus. I found this one (http://img53.yfrog.com/i/8l5.jpg/) but I would need another and I am almost sure I saw another photo somewhere I can remember. Maybe you can remember or keep in mind another photo. It would be of great help for a post I want to publish today.
Thanks in advance and best,
Manu
The one that you show is the standard image. The Thomas Jefferson Planning District in Charlottesville, VA has created one for their region.
This is an old diagram from a report from 1977. It's a little different in terms of idea, but is still relevant:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rll...yman/489961132/
This is the VA one:
http://www.tjpdc.org/
transportat...eetCapacity.asp
Richard, thanks a lot. Actually, the one from Thomas Jefferson Planning District is the Commission is the one I remembered. Best,
Manu
Well, to answer your title question - congestion on the freeways 10 miles away matters to urban dwellers and cyclists for several reasons. Air quality is probably the most obvious. You can go down the whole list of negative externalities - even if you don't drive, it's still a drag on the economy, etc.
Good point, speaking of my being overly parochial and not considering some of those broader dimensions. Although those people should still be living in compact development situations and using transit, rather than gasoline and the war machine to maintain access to it...
Yeah- but you basic point remains true and very pertinent- that during the weekends- and actually- much of the time during the weekdays- DC has far less auto traffic than any given 'burb has. It is something I have noticed over the years- whenever I go over to Utrecht's art store on Saturdays- how little car traffic is actually on 13th street in the middle of the day- even during some major event or when Penn Avenue is closed for some festival.
"If you use transit, walk, or bicycle, does traffic congestion on a freeway 10 miles away really matter? "
Yep. Such people don't consume material goods such as the food trucked in - such 'good' people these jesuitical academics who ignore economic and human realities for some ridiculous idea as not building I-270 and I-95 into Washington DC for the sake of a few selfish overly politically powerful entities.
How 'nice' NOT to protect that which demolished that classical apartment building in Baltimore ostensibly for a prayer garden.
"(Plans were for what is now I-270 to be extended into DC, along both sides of the Metropolitan Branch railroad tracks in Northeast DC. And I-95 was to be extended from College Park to around Fort Totten in DC, connecting to the planned I-70.)"
For way more info explore the tags in "A Trip Within the Beltway"
Rich- where's the link to "A Trip Within the Beltway" in "Rebuilding Place in the Urban Space"?
"While some argue that freeways connecting I-270 and I-95 should have been built into the city as was planned in the 1950 Comprehensive Plan, I think that it is proven that highways built primarily for non-residents help cities very little. DC is better off without the freeways."
Who proposes that as per the 1950 plans?
The 2nd part of what you say is total jesuitical bs to subvert urban business for academics who have no comprehension of economics or transport. You pander to the mindset of "The Day After Tomorrow" of a flooded, frozen Manhattan NYC with no commerce coming into the city, yet where starvation seems no to exist.
If you grew up in Detroit, as I did, the evidence is very clear that urban highways do not help the city. They are designed for suburbanites to work in the city, and to leave or pass through the city. For the city, the highways carve up neighborhoods and create blots and make it very easy for carpetbaggers to take advantage of the city, while leaving very little behind, scraps for the remaining urban residents to fight over.
I think it's pretty clear that criss-crossing the city (DC) with freeways, especially with two inner beltways, would have destroyed it, and its qualities of beauty and livability.
I had a link to your website, then it went dark and I probably removed it (I do update/remove links as I discover issues with the URL) as a result.
Rich-
What you say about urban highways could be said about urban railways.
Of course that's with elevated berm and open trench highways, but it altogether neglects the concept of tunnels, including encased box tunnel roadways such as that now under construction in NYC Manhattan of Riverside South on the west side north of 57th Street. I see this approach as the way of constructing an I-395 extension along the New York Avenue corridor as a partially and fully encased box tunnel in a shallow excavation in the hill between the Avenue where the land slopes down towards the RR, with a new promenade and development.
As I have written extensively upon this concept combined generally with that of using existing corridors, including my "Alexandria Orb" proposal, along with my superior option for the I-395 tunnel extension, I'm disjointed that you simply relied upon a strawman of supporters of a 1950 plan, without ANY discussion of DESIGN, let alone even an example of who? I am amazed how DESIGN figures so unimportant in what is focused upon.
Clearly the DC freeways have been and remain stymied due to the political power and desire of the most important property holders along a given route...
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