document.write("<script language=\"javascript1.2\" type=\"text/javascript\">function emo_pop() {window.open('http://www.haloscan.com/commenthelp.php','Help','width=200,height=320,resizable=yes,scrollbars=yes');}</script><table width=\"97%\" align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" border=\"0\" class=\"MainTable\">  <tr>    <td>    <div align=\"center\">    </div>    </td>  </tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8039\"></a>        <p>Dont be a wuss, you put it front or anywhere else and not worry what people might think <img src=\"http://www.haloscan.com/images/smileys/content.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" width=\"15\" height=\"15\" /><br><br>What you SHOULD do, is just stop inviting charedim over, then you will be fine.<br /><span class=\"byline\">           holy hyrax | 09.05.07 - 1:12 pm | <a href=\"#8039\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8040\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=fff516d22bdaad7358793d2c80f278da&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />I agree with HH -- you shouldn't associate with anyone who will think less of you for reading those books.<br /><span class=\"byline\">           Nate | 09.05.07 - 1:15 pm | <a href=\"#8040\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8061\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a69d37d0617d8e7089950a14a92adfa8&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />You can alphabetize your collection and let the chips fall where they may. <br><br>That's my attempt at a Solomonic solution anyway.<br /><span class=\"byline\">           LubabNoMore | <a href=\"http://lubabnomore.blogspot.com/\" title=\"http://lubabnomore.blogspot.com/\">Homepage</a> | 09.05.07 - 1:44 pm | <a href=\"#8061\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8069\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8a1a62267a85b44e53883b46946a56b0&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />HH,<br><br>You think that charedim are the only people who would be offended by the books?<br><br>Nate,<br><br>There is a difference between people thinking less of me (which I don't really care about), and offending people.<br /><span class=\"byline\">           Skeptodox | <a href=\"http://safkanut.blogspot.com\" title=\"http://safkanut.blogspot.com\">Homepage</a> | 09.05.07 - 2:03 pm | <a href=\"#8069\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8071\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8a1a62267a85b44e53883b46946a56b0&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />Lubab,<br><br>Good idea, although it kind of evades the thought behind my conflict. (Don't misread me - this isn't keeping me from sleeping at night.)<br><br>However, since you brought it up, I like to arrange my books by subject and size. Never really liked the alphabetical thing.<br /><span class=\"byline\">           Skeptodox | <a href=\"http://safkanut.blogspot.com\" title=\"http://safkanut.blogspot.com\">Homepage</a> | 09.05.07 - 2:05 pm | <a href=\"#8071\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8079\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=a69d37d0617d8e7089950a14a92adfa8&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />Skeptodox,<br><br>I hear that. I arrange my books by subject too. That said, I \"hide\" my sci-fi books on the shelf just below waist level. Not hidden exactly but not in your face either. (I am so ashamed...) <br><br>It sounds like your conflict is trying to find the sweet spot between \"not discussing religion/politics/money at the dinner table\" and not hiding who you are. The people who's opinions you care about probably scan your shelves. The other guys probably don't. <br><br>I hate moving.<br /><span class=\"byline\">           LubabNoMore | <a href=\"http://lubabnomore.blogspot.com/\" title=\"http://lubabnomore.blogspot.com/\">Homepage</a> | 09.05.07 - 2:41 pm | <a href=\"#8079\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8084\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=0c83f57c786a0b4a39efab23731c7ebc&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />The basement.<br /><span class=\"byline\">           One More | 09.05.07 - 3:01 pm | <a href=\"#8084\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8095\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8a1a62267a85b44e53883b46946a56b0&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />Lubab,<br><br>Good point, and I hate moving as well, although the reason behind my move is awesome.<br /><span class=\"byline\">           Skeptodox | <a href=\"http://safkanut.blogspot.com\" title=\"http://safkanut.blogspot.com\">Homepage</a> | 09.05.07 - 3:23 pm | <a href=\"#8095\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8096\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=8a1a62267a85b44e53883b46946a56b0&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />One More,<br><br>1. I don't have a basement<br>2. No<br /><span class=\"byline\">           Skeptodox | <a href=\"http://safkanut.blogspot.com\" title=\"http://safkanut.blogspot.com\">Homepage</a> | 09.05.07 - 3:24 pm | <a href=\"#8096\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8098\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />>You think that charedim are the only people who would be offended by the books?<br><br>yes, yes I do. In my experiences, the MO, though not agreeing with me always have an interest in a good discussion without judging me.<br /><span class=\"byline\">           holy hyrax | 09.05.07 - 3:27 pm | <a href=\"#8098\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8101\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />btw- may I ask what your wife thinks of all this? Is she a beleiver or does she have doubts. Im just curious as to how it works for you<br /><span class=\"byline\">           holy hyrax | 09.05.07 - 3:29 pm | <a href=\"#8101\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8102\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=0c83f57c786a0b4a39efab23731c7ebc&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />Another option is to double stack each shelf, with the kefira books in the back row.<br /><span class=\"byline\">           One More | 09.05.07 - 3:30 pm | <a href=\"#8102\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8105\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />The Louis Finkelstein can go with Heschel and Shapiro, but the Israel Finkelstein has to go in the back. But where do you put the Yitz Greenberg?<br /><span class=\"byline\">           SS | 09.05.07 - 3:33 pm | <a href=\"#8105\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8145\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />more importantly, where does he put the artscroll<br /><span class=\"byline\">           holy hyrax | 09.05.07 - 6:00 pm | <a href=\"#8145\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8148\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />The only stuff I don't put on the visible bookshelves are the NT & Christian missionary stuff (collected a while back when I was interested in polemics). Books on evolution, myth, zen, archaeology, etc, are available for all to see.<br /><span class=\"byline\">           zach | 09.05.07 - 6:42 pm | <a href=\"#8148\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"8153\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=31db0b13de3f62db03413eda61742b5c&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />Put just enough that a likeminded person could get clued into your thoughts while an innocent would not suspect a thing.<br><br>That would probably mean a couple of selective heavy kefirah books with a nice sprinkling of Heschel stuff. Does the regular Orthodox Jew even know who R' Heschel was?<br /><span class=\"byline\">           Orthoprax | <a href=\"http://orthoprax.blogspot.com\" title=\"http://orthoprax.blogspot.com\">Homepage</a> | 09.05.07 - 7:18 pm | <a href=\"#8153\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr><td class=\"MessageCell\">    <a name=\"9642\"></a>        <p><img src=\"http://www.gravatar.com/avatar.php?gravatar_id=f3ccf909d459168dd41fd3fef5d7e4a1&amp;default=http%3A%2F%2Fec1.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FG%2F01%2Fx-locale%2Fcommon%2Ftransparent-pixel.gif&amp;rating=PG&amp;size=32\" alt=\"Gravatar\" title=\"Gravatar\" style=\"padding: 1px; margin: 2px; float: right;\" class=\"gravatar\" />I think that you have the right balance. Real Seforim and 'kefirah light' in the living room. Heavy stuff and artscroll =behind closed doors.<br><br>Oddly enough, the more rightwing the shul i go to in my hood, the higher level of kefira that i can get away with reading during layning due to the ignorance of the other mispalelim. (want' Robert Alter from the Gerrer dynasty? <img src=\"http://www.haloscan.com/images/smileys/clin_oeil.gif\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" width=\"15\" height=\"15\" /><br /><span class=\"byline\">           Do Over! | <a href=\"http://OrthopraxAnon.blogspot.com\" title=\"http://OrthopraxAnon.blogspot.com\">Homepage</a> | 09.11.07 - 3:11 am | <a href=\"#9642\" title=\"Link to this comment\">#</a></span></p><hr /></td></tr><tr>    <td class=\"InputCell\">                  <br /><div style=\"margin: 0 auto; width: 125px;\"><a href=\"http://secretbuilders.com/ref?id=JSKIT\" target=\"_blank\"><img src=\"http://www.haloscan.com/images/secretbuilders.jpg\" width=\"125\" height=\"125\" border=\"0\"/></a></div><br /><div id=\"newcomment\"></div><form method=\"post\" name=\"addComment\" action=\"http://www.haloscan.com/comments/safkanut/5974068820945481712/\" target=\"_self\">        <p>    Name: <br />          <input name=\"name\" type=\"text\" size=\"38\" value=\"\" /><br />          Email:<br />          <input name=\"email\" type=\"text\" size=\"38\" value=\"\" /><br />          URL: <br />          <input name=\"url\" type=\"text\" size=\"38\" value=\"\" /><br />          Comment:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"javascript:emo_pop()\" title=\"Smiley and tag help\" target=\"_self\">?</a>&nbsp;<br />          <textarea name=\"addMessage\" rows=\"12\" cols=\"38\"></textarea><br /><input type=\"checkbox\" name=\"subscribe\" id=\"subscribe\" value=\"1\" /><label for=\"subscribe\">Notify me of followup comments via email</label>        </p>        <p class=\"PSubmit\"><input name=\"submit\" type=\"submit\" value=\"Publish\" style=\"font-weight: bold;\" class=\"SubmitButton\" />&nbsp;<input name=\"previewMessage\" type=\"submit\" value=\"Preview\" class=\"SubmitButton\" />        </p>      <input type='hidden' name='user' value='safkanut' /><input type='hidden' name='comment' value='5974068820945481712' /></form>    </td></tr>  <tr>    <td><p align=\"center\">        Commenting by <a href=\"http://www.haloscan.com/\" target=\"_blank\">HaloScan</a></p>      </td>  </tr></table><img src=\"http://c5.statcounter.com/counter.php?sc_project=561713&amp;java=0&amp;security=01eeff58\" alt=\"\" border=\"0\" /></body>");