Big Blue Wave's Comments
"Most people would probably welcome some abortion restrictions in any event."
Think again! Didn't you see all those pro-choice protesters out in Ottawa yesterday?? I don't think ANY abortion law would fly in this country... the reason is simple: we don't need one!!
Abortions are down, or haven't you heard?
That's the rent-a-crowd, joe. They do not represent the average person.
"Abortions are down, or haven't you heard?"
Even if there were zero abortions, I'd still want a law protecting fetal rights.
"That's the rent-a-crowd, joe. They do not represent the average person."
Of course they don't. (roll eyes). They don't support the same thing as you!
"Even if there were zero abortions, I'd still want a law protecting fetal rights."
I know YOU would... I was talking about average canadians, not extremists.
"Of course they don't. (roll eyes). They don't support the same thing as you!"
The polls paint a different picture.
"I know YOU would... I was talking about average canadians, not extremists."
You were asking ME.
"I know YOU would... I was talking about average canadians, not extremists."
Hello pot, meet kettle.
This coming from someone who has fights against laws that would restrict a procedure that would half deliver a baby, jab it in the head with scissors and proceed to suck out the brains.
This coming from someone who wouldn't feel bad for the child getting the blood sucked out of her heart alive, or dispelled from her mother's womb alive only to be left to die. This coming from someone who cares NOTHING AT ALL for the unborn child getting her arms and legs ripped off of her alive.
I know, I know. You'd have to be such the extremist to find these things horrifying.
If I'm an extremist for being disgusted with this, well, at least my extremism isn't hurting anyone.
I think it is a scandal that we have no abortion laws at all in Canada.
It's a disgrace!
And Harper wont do anything about it, even with a majority.
Why is it a disgrace not to have an abortion law? Why do we need one? We've done fine without one. I will never understand this authoritarian obsession with laws, laws and more laws. Talk about nanny state.
Doctors and women police themselves, they don't need a law to dictate what they can and can't do. The fact that abortion rates have continuously dropped over the years -- without any regressive laws -- is absolute proof of that. Circumstances allowed Canada to conduct a 20-year experiment in "lawless abortion" and it's been a huge success.
The majority are satisfied with the status quo, and have moved on from this issue.
It's a disgrace that some human beings are not legally recognized as such.
It's not about an act. It's about people.
@desley:
"at least my extremism isn't hurting anyone."
That's only because nobody listens to you. If you had your way you would hurt a great many lives... but luckily your minority views are just that - and nobody listens to your group.
@suzanne:
"It's a disgrace that some human beings are not legally recognized as such.
It's not about an act. It's about people."
You say this over and over again - but you refuse to learn the truth: most people don't think a fetus is a "human being" or are "people"... they're fetuses!!!
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You say this over and over again - but you refuse to learn the truth: most people don't think a fetus is a "human being" or are "people"... they're fetuses!!!"
Most people think the fetus is a human being at some point in the pregnancy. And they're killed in Canada.
You're in denial, Joe.
And even if they don't, I don't care. Most people in the South didn't think that Blacks deserved rights. So what?
"You're in denial, Joe."
Pot, kettle, etc.
Joe is in denial. Fetuses are human beings. That's an objective fact.
"That's only because nobody listens to you. If you had your way you would hurt a great many lives... but luckily your minority views are just that - and nobody listens to your group."
Really...how would I hurt a great many lives? Surely not more than the many lives your way is hurting. My way would ensure all human beings are equally recognized and protected. Above all the millions of unborn human babies your way extinguishes every year, you have severely depressed post abortive women who believe they were lied to and were not given adequate information. Many of which end up committing suicide. Not to mention the many women who end up dead or sterile from botched abortions, or the emotional and psychological health of fathers who have absolutely no say over the fate of their own children. And what of the women who are pressured and forced to get abortions from their mothers, boyfriends, in laws, etc. Now let's talk about the way your way involves dismissing the realities of human life in the womb of the woman who wants her child and has it taken against her will. I guess she's not hurt at all from your way.
Most of the time women are getting abortions because they feel like they have to. It's circumstances that they hate, not their children. You should be helping with the circumstances, not killing the child. That would be helping them. Your way would rather get rid of the evidence and symptoms, but leave her on her own with the actual problem. The lazy man's way of dealing with people.
"The majority are satisfied with the status quo, and have moved on from this issue."
The majority are not being told the truth. Most people in Canada believe there are laws prohibitting late term abortions.
The majority have also never seen or heard of what happens during the abortion procedure, and you know it.
And you don't tell them that because they would be horrified to hear that doctors are ripping off arms and legs, and crushing skulls. They believe unborn babies are -what was it my doctor called my unborn son...-Oh yes, "tissue".
And there are most likely less abortions because we are beginning to see the humanness of the unborn more and more. Once a woman knows what her unborn baby looks like, it's alot harder to kill it. You guys must hate ultrasounds, hu?
Oh, and doctors think the "fetus" is a human being. How funny is that? Doctors are even operating on the fetus now, and the fetus is the patient.
The fetus is no less human than the toddler or adolescent.
The majority are not being told the truth. Most people in Canada believe there are laws prohibitting [sic] late term abortions."
You grossly underestimate the intelligence of Canadians, most of whom are well aware that there are no abortion laws. They're also aware that late-term abortion is a tiny percentage of abortions and only done in dire cases. As much as anti-abortion mouthpieces try to spread the lie that abortions are being done for "convenience" right up to the 39th week, thinking people don't buy into it.
And since when do people not know what a fetus looks like? Ultrasound has been around for ages and everyone's had them or at least seen them. So what? Most abortions are done at a stage when the fetus more closely resembles a jumbo shrimp than anything human.
Doctors and women have 20 years worth of proof that they don't need the state to intervene and dictate reproductive business, and the majority of Canadians are fine with it. Especially since the abortion rate continues to fall, WITHOUT any regressive laws. You may not like that, but tough. That's the way it is.
"Most people in Canada believe there are laws prohibitting late term abortions"
As JJ so aptly put - the truth on THIS point would have to include the fact that late term abortions DON'T happen in this country unless medically necessary! Without ANY laws - imagine that!
"there are most likely less abortions because we are beginning to see the humanness of the unborn more"
Poppycock! There are less abortions because contraceptives are being used and there are less unplanned pregnancies. You're deluding yourself if you think otherwise... this makes suzanne's anti-contraceptive stance all the more ridiculous! It so COMPLETELY contradicts her pro-life stance! Less contraceptives would mean more abortions...
"You guys must hate ultrasounds"
What is it with anti-choicers like yourself?! Why can you not understand that approving the right for women to obtain abortions does NOT mean that I like abortion, or that I want women to have them?? It's so insulting (not that you'll care) for you to suggest that!!
Pro-choice does not mean I want people to have abortions - so NO, I don't hate ultra sounds. What a stupid thing to say...
"What a stupid thing to say..."
A fetus fetishist said something stupid? Colour me shocked, Joe, shocked, I tells ya
"the truth on THIS point would have to include the fact that late term abortions DON'T happen in this country unless medically necessary!"
Again, you're in denial, Joe.
Margaret Somerville was consulted for a 32-week abortion regarding cleft lip.
And it happened.
"Medically necessary" is a relative term.
Down Syndrome is considered a "medically necessary" reason.
What's "necessary"? When something is "medically necessary" it means that if you don't perform that task, somebody's overall health will stay bad or grow worse.
An abortion doesn't address the Down Syndrome. It doesn't make the Down syndrome go away. It doesn't stop the Down Syndrome from getting worse.
It just makes the child go away.
That's like saying you cured cancer by killing the patient.
"It so COMPLETELY contradicts her pro-life stance!"
My pro-life stance is fetal rights.
Was there more abortion before or after the widespread dissemination of contraception?
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You grossly underestimate the intelligence of Canadians, most of whom are well aware that there are no abortion laws. "
I debate the issue constantly. I can assure that most people think there are restrictions on abortion.
"They're also aware that late-term abortion is a tiny percentage of abortions and only done in dire cases. '
Not true. "Down Syndrome" is not a "dire case". Threatening to kill oneself is not a "dire case".
Late-term abortions happen for all kinds of reasons. Even the abortion lobby admits this.
"So what? Most abortions are done at a stage when the fetus more closely resembles a jumbo shrimp than anything human."
They don't resemble a jumbo shrimp. They have arms and legs. They have a face. They have brain wave.
You are in denial. They look like small human beings.
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