Nothing but Paspalum Fasciculatum here
Sumate is the group that met with GW Bush in the White House and has taken money from the US government as well.
thus, this is not a group that i would trust in assessing the degree of democracy in Venezuela amigo.
Friend, have you any idea the criminality that the US has wrought throughout the world with their little 'democracy building' adgenda?
Let me guess, amigo, you are writing this blog from the US? no?
Viva Chavez! Viva la revolution Bolivariana!
Orlando calling?
Mike,
it's that obvious, isn't it?. Yup, it's Steve Hunt yet again, yet another IP banned, and I will start to do some legal research on his case....
But to avoid his irruption to contaminate this comment section:
Súmate indicated the facts with documents and dates for each one of them. So that Steve Hunt's biases, and lack of reading abilities, do not let him see that, in no way discredits the work that they have done. Though Hunt's tactics surely discredit his comments.
So on Súmate I wrote this some time ago.
On why I have this blog and where I live I wrote this as the first post in my blog.
And on why has Steve Hunt (aka ramirez1) been banned from my blog, read this comment.
Hunt, beat it.
Another message marked as spam.
And learn to read once and for all, as I said, I already wrote about Súmate here I won't waste my time repeating myself.
And if it makes you so happy, yes The NGO Súmate got money from the U.S. National Endowment for Democracy, around $60 thousands, something that is legal in the U.S. and in Venezuela. However Chávez took money from Spain's BBVA bank, a good $1.5 million if I recall, something that is illegal in Venezuela and in Spain. Happy now?
If the US giving money to people and groups that supported the coup and the attack against Venezuelan constitutionality is 'legal' in Venezuela, then you have a very warped view of what comprises the basics of democracy and legality.
It's an 'ethics=thing' mi amigo.
You just wouldn't get it.
I see that poor Hunt cannot help but keep reminding the world of the irreversible misery in which he is immersed for supporting the one who attacked Venezuelan constitutionality causing hundreds of innocent civilian deaths in 1992 and has progressively mined Venezuelan constitutionality more and more, being responsible for many more deaths ever since.
That "ethics thing" haunts you badly, doesn’t it Hunt?
Virgina: 'cranberries' LOL
How many deaths does US supported global capitalism cause everyday?
Do you ever think of that?
About the past rebellions--this cannot be laid entirely at Chavez' feet. There was a government at the time that was corrupt and selling-out the nation's poor to the IMF through structural reforms that were punishing on the poor.
Email me sometime.
YOu definately have an infatuation with me.
As long as you are willing to discourse, and learn, then we can likely find common ground.
More, intense discourse will help you move away from the 'Chavez-evil' type of rherotic/gesticulations that you have been locked in.
Think of it as therapy, in a way.
Hunt,
There is a great deal of common ground.
You seem to be interested in Venezuela. All Venezuelans are.
Also, you claim to condemn iniquity, social injustice, abuse of power, restriction of civil liberties, corruption etc. Doesn’t everybody?
The problem is that you condemn those in all instances except those that happen in Venezuela under Chavez and in Cuba under Castro. Your position is untenable.
The day you can say freely: There is a tremendously corrupt government today in Venezuela, that is making the poor poorer and is responsible for the death of thousands of innocent Venezuelans and for the deterioration of health, education, institutions, infrastructure, democracy, environment and a long list of etceteras, you will have shown that you are in touch with the reality in Venezuela.
It is not you who is in the position to teach about Venezuela. You could of course do so about your own country, but you cannot impose that topic where participants have agreed to discuss other topics and not that one.
Virginia--the real test is whether or not the majority of Venezuelans support the Bolivarian reforms that are underway.
Your claims simply are not based in reality: despite the incredible harm that the oligarchs have done to the Venezuelan economy, life for the average citizen is improving, opprotunity is expanding. This is so unlike the situation that the masses had to suffer under the pro-neoliberal, pro-imperialism, an pro-oligarch administrations of the past that are now held in such wide popular contempt.
The proof of the 'craneberries' is in the eating Virginia.
And your 'cranberries' are so, so good.
Email me sometime mi amor.
Hunt,
There is no test. Only an illegal parody of popular consultation without participation, admitted and denounced by all sides of the political spectrum. But you cannot understand the language and your lack of knowledge is understandable.
You do know why hedonism is anti-natural, don’t you?
Virginia said: "You do know why hedonism is anti-natural, don’t you?"
Do tell my beloved 'cranberry' lady, do tell.
The proof of the cranberry is in the eathing--the fact of participative democracy is well evident in the changes happeing in Venezuela and the fact that the majority of the population support the Bolivarian reforms.
To deny that is to deny the pleasure (hedonism?) of knowing that a long suppressed majority can sometimes change the course of the nation. This is happening in Venezulea mi amor.
Hunt,
Haven’t found the answer yet? Great teacher you are!! And I thought this would be easy for you!!
I’ll give you a clue: Eva Golinger is fishing in the waters where all is explained. You know, she is the bride of the robolución. If you do your homework, (which you must do, in order to be able to defend properly what you defend)….. you could be the broom!!! I’ll give you another month.
Thanks Virgin(ia)--I could well be the 'groom'. That Eva is fine, muy guapa!
Plus, she has a brain--unlike your beloved Maria C. M.
But nothing will compare to your cranberries, Virginia. Exquisite!
Why havn't you emailed me? Are you afraid of the 'big bad wolf'? LOL
Hunt,
Your words:
the real test is whether or not the majority of Venezuelans support the Bolivarian reforms that are underway
Whose claims simply are not based in reality ?
Mmmph... I wrote this some time ago, but I let it slide for long enough...
Well Hunt, at least this time you decided to retake your original personality instead of donning yet another one. To us it is obvious that your game is one of disruption and distraction, the only doubt I have is if you are getting money for it. Why else would you keep popping up where you are not wanted and have been banned for multiple violations of the posted conduct code?.
ethics n. pl. Moral principles that govern a person's or group behavior.
moral adj. Concerned with adhering to the code of interpersonal behavior that is considered right or acceptable in a particular society.
To me words don't exist in a vacuum, these only mean something in the context of who says them, it's the only way to communicate. That's why I despise the propaganda tools that are labels. Given the utter lack of morals that you have displayed in my blog, it is somewhat pathetic that you are trying to question my ethics, I stand behind what I say, I answer what is asked, and I don't shed personalities when the going gets rough, and the same thing can be said about Súmate's members. So if it comes to a moral high ground I'm not the one in the swamp.
You claim as facts that Súmate supported 'the coup' and attacked Venezuelan constitutionality, however you offer proof for none of this, as if just by labeling them in an obvious ad-hominem attack you could somehow disqualify all THE FACTS that they document in their report.
You conveniently forget that 'the coup' was declared as not being 'a coup' but a vacuum of power triggered by Chavez's resignation by the not-totally-sold-out supreme court of the time. You choose to ignore that the one that could be accused of plotting 'a coup' is precisely General Lucas Rincón Romero that is still at his post, and furthermore was rewarded by making him the highest ranking General in Venezuela.
You choose to ignore that it is legal, ethical, and moral, in the U.S., in Venezuela, in Spain, and in most of the civilized world, for a pacifist non-governmental organization (NOT a political party) to receive money from any documented source to advance their purpose, which in the case of Súmate is precisely democracy. And that the Venezuelan Information Office does the same in the U.S. just to promote Chavez's regime.
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You choose to ignore that Chávez illegally received $1.5 million from BBVA bank from Spain for his campaign, a case documented in spanish courts. Something that is illegal in Venezuela, in Spain, in the U.S. and in most of the civilized world. And that would get you impeached in a jiffy under a true democracy, not to mention that for much less than this a Venezuelan president was kicked out of office.
You choose to ignore that Chávez uses ALL the resources of the Venezuelan state to fuel his propaganda machine, including total coverage by all TV stations for 4 or more hours every Sunday, while opposition party members are put in jail for posting hand-made bills in favor of their candidates, and that contributors to Opposition campaign get in the 'Seniat black list' (think IRS). No wonder there was a 20000:1 ratio in pro-Chavez to Opposition electoral propaganda.
You choose to ignore that the Venezuelan electoral council is corrupt beyond reason, in what claims to be a democracy, with blatant violations of the constitution and of any law that regulates them. This is, and has always been, the main target of Súmate's efforts.
So Súmate receiving money for dedicating themselves to the improvement of democracy and constitutionality in Venezuela is not only moral and ethical, it is the right thing to do. So if it pains you that the U.S.'s National Endowment for Democracy (among others) sees it that way it's because you CHOOSE not to see the whole picture.
You have a very warped view of what comprises the basics of ethics, legality, and democracy, and you just don't get it.
Oh, and BTW, as you well know, you are still banned (so Virginia, he should not even be able to answer, even if he ever considered to do so).
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