How come the "full version" of Otzar Hachochmo contains 25,800 seforim yet there are a combined 35,900 seforim when you add the gemara v'halacha and tanach u'midrash versions together?
Does full mean full or not?
Overlap, mistama.
Ezriel, Anonymous is correct. The Gemara v'Halacha has "some" seforim from Tanach u'Midrash and vice versa.
The total for the FULL version is 25,800 + 2400 Kehos Library = 28,225.
how often do they update (do they even plan to update?)? do current clients get the updates for free or what?
Is there any way to make suggestions/ requests for future updates?
Moshe,
Is Otzrot ha-Torah just for Windows, or can it be run on Mac OS X. I run Windows on my Mac with Parallels, but was wondering if it ran natively since I am not sure how it will handle an external HD.
1) updates are once a year, around Chanukka time. They are NOT free. The update consists of 2 parts. a) the update of the software (new features, etc.) b) additional seforim.
Generally the software update is approx. $60 and the seforim is approx. $100 per 2,000 seforim. They add 2-4,000 seforim annually.
2) suggestions etc. can be sent to me and I will forward them to the office.
3) Otzrot HaTorah as well as Otzar HaChochma can run on Mac only thru Windows running on the Mac (via a separate Windows "window" with copy and paste available to the Mac "window").
What's the Bnei Torah version?
The difference between the FULL version and the Bnei Torah (BT) version is as follows:
The FULL version contains:
A) Seforim which are "duplicates" i.e. they have been printed in different locations and years. While there may be differences in the versions the BT version would give only one and the Full would have perhaps an additional edition.
B) Many History and Biography volumes.
C) Some Dikduk seforim.
D) The seforim of HaGaon Rav A.Y. Kook zt"l.
E) And some other seforim as well.
If you buy the Bnei Torah version you get all seforim on Gemara (Bavli, Yerushalmi, Rishonim, Acharonim etc.) Halacha (Rambam, Shulchan Aruch, Tshuvos, etc.) Tanach, Midrash, Machashava, Chassidus, Mussar, Dikduk, Tefilla, etc. In short everything EXCEPT for the 1300+ seforim that are in the FULL version.
for some reason it is impossible to view the seforim list in chronological order in terms of year of publication (although when you scroll over the year title it tells you to click on it for such a function). it would be nice to have this fixed.
I'm happy to see the bnei torah will be protected from Rav Kook's seforim.
what is The Morgenstern Library?
The Morgenstern Library is aka Otzrot HaTorah.
There are a good number of Seforim such as those by Shir, Shadal, etc. that are in older Otzer Ha-Chochmah catalogues but not in the latest editions. Why were they taken out (of the non-bnei torah versions)?
wolf2191, contact me by email with the names of specific volumes and I will check into it.
the quality of the scans is usually better on otzros hatorah, otzar has more volumes and options
see also that new web site deals with hebrew books
http://kotar.co.il/
Computer Torah Research
A program for those already familiar with the rudiments of using Torah Databases who would like to take their skills to a higher level
Featuring:
Professor Aviezri Fraenkel, Creator of the Bar Ilan Responsa Program, Awardee of the Israel Prize, 2007
Chaim Rosenberg, Author of Hebrewbooks.org, Home of 15,000 free seforim
Tuesday, May 20 8:00-10:15pm
(with a break for Ma'riv and refreshments at 9:00pm)
The First 100 attendees will receive a free CD containing 500 seforim on Masechet Berakhot courtesy of Hebrewbooks.org
147-19 73rd Avenue $5.00 suggested donation
Can anyone contrast the hebrewbooks.org with the Otzros?
does otzrot hatorah have a website?
It should be noted that the "Kofrim" who buy the full version will be "protected" from the Chazon Ish's Seforim (unless they select the "B'nei Torah" feature).
the bnei torah would probably be protected from Rav Kook even if it were in front of their faces - they wouldn't understand it anyway...
what are the pluses and minuses between otzar hachochmo and the bar ilan?
R' Flohr,
Do you sell hamashlim li'word?
Yes. I am expecting the new version to be sent to me in the next few weeks.
differences between otzar hachochmo and the bar ilan --
there are many. the least of which is that in the former, there is the actual tzurat ha-daf of the pages; as well as tens of thousands of more seforim (a portion of which are searchable). Nonetheless, Bar-Ilan's database is still important for many of the important and unique search techniques... but there is nothing like spending a Sunday afternoon using the full version of the Otzar Ha-Chochmo database. Olam Haba'ah BaOlam Hazeh.
what is hamaslim liword?
Otzros haTorah "homepage":
http://www.virtualgeula.com/mkp/
The "Bnai Torah" version has everything except basically for history, dikduk,"some other seforim", and Rav Kook. That is just too funny.
Listen, I understand the concept of marketing to groups, but pandering to one group should not come at the expense of others. Calling one a "bnai Torah" version implies that the buyers of the other version are not. I'm not saying you should call it the "censored" version, which they would probably not like (the truth hurts.) But how about the "abridged" version, the "condensed" version, the "reduced" version??? Please think about it.
And I hope Shir, Shadal, and the like were not excluded from the full version as Wolf says. That would be unfortunate.
dear mr. flohr,
i am not sure how the institute maneuvers copyright law, but it seems as though it was breached in several instances. a simple example would be hacham yehuda fetaya's sefarim.
beth lehem yehuda, vol. I and II, are both protected by copyright law. yet, they have somehow magically made their way into otzar's catalog. hasagat gevul, i believe, is also an issue (unless that is the difference between the b'nai torah and full version... that the latter includes sefarim scanned b'issur)... and the sheer brass of lacing it with otzar hachochma logos...
"haneshamot mesaprot" is an illegal version of the hacham yehuda fetaya's 'minhat yehuda'. it also appears in otzar's catalog.
is there an explanation?
Menachem
>but there is nothing like spending a Sunday afternoon using the full version of the Otzar Ha-Chochmo database. Olam Haba'ah BaOlam Hazeh.
There'd be nothing like spending Shabbos afternoon with 28,000 seforim!
Chaim Zev
>Listen, I understand the concept of marketing to groups, but pandering to one group should not come at the expense of others.
They do whatever will help sales, clearly. But it's a good thing they aren't even more willing to be politically correct, or else the full version would itself be leaner!
At least their willing to present a broad range of works in the full version.
>And I hope Shir, Shadal, and the like were not excluded from the full version as Wolf says. That would be unfortunate.
I don't know if they were excluded, but they're works are not in the present version.
At least their willing to present ...
but they're works
hafokh bah ve-hapekh bah
--mivami
Is this sale (or similar offer) available in Eretz Yisroel?
Concerned: Otzar HaChochma insists that they only put on those volumes for which there are no copyright issues or those that permission has been granted. It would be absurd for the Otzar to claim a copyright to their own program while violating the rights of others. So we do NOT scan volumes illegaly. Putting the Otzar name on the page (unobtrusively) is done precisely to prevent pages being "ripped off" the program and placed in a different program.
As far as the sale in Israel, it is going on there as well. If you wish it can be ordered through me and delivered from the office there. If it is ordered through my office you will receive an "english language" manual with it (shipped from the US) along with the drive. You will also receive tech support from BOTH offices (US and Israel). If you buy it from the Israel office you will get tech support only from the Israel office. The price is EXACTLY the same from either office.
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