Tell me about your mother....
again, I disagree with the assertions. Were Amber's parents low life "activists?" Were Megan's parents low life "activists?" Were the mothers who started MADD low life "activists?" The father who push for congressional hearings on steroid abuse?
Are those issues not controversial enough for you? How about Jim Brady's wife? Was she just hogging the spot light?
The fact is, you can be an activist while being a grieving parent. The are activists BECAUSE they are grieving parents.
quite frankly, the rhetoric on the blogs ABOUT Cindy Sheehan is becoming much worse than the rhetoric coming FROM Cindy Sheehan.
As I have stated every single time, I do not agree with Cindy Sheehan, but I am agreeing even less with the people who post on her.
Apples and oranges.
What Sheehan is proposing will cost hundreds of thousands of lives.
Huh. It was by a Western author, Darnell. Saudi attitudes about terrorism are changing, that is true. Saudi attitudes about other things are not changing....
See this Arab News article about a man who was murdered by one of his employees over a salary dispute.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&...d=27&m=8&
y=2005
"The man made headlines last December when he was arrested on charges of raping and physically torturing his daughter by burning her in sensitive areas of her body.
The wife of the dead Saudi said her husband was very difficult to live with and was always on drugs and alcohol. “He was accused of raping his daughter and sentenced to 30 months in prison and 350 lashes. He only spent four months in jail. ... I discovered my daughter’s tragedy when she began to complain about pain,” she said.
“I do not feel sorry that he is dead and I think his punishment came from God,” she added."
Get that? The man raped and tortured his daughter and spent four months in jail. That is the reality. Iraqis are quite different.
it is not apples and oranges by any means. She is no different that any other parent who has used the death of their child to draw attention to what they see as an injustice.
what she proposes could cost thousands of iraqi lives, but save thousands of American lives.
The NRA claims that gun laws actually cause more deaths than it saves. Once again, is Jim Brady's wife just a media whore?
You and I disagree with her, but this swift boating is getting out of hand.
Still apples and oranges. Doing it her way would result in huge death numbers.
We screwed the Iraqis once before, and it cost thems tens of thousands of lives.- we cannot do it again.
Further, I'm not swift boating her. I don't care that she is anti war. It's how and with whom she's doing it that bears scrutny.
Lastly, the what the NRA says is irrelevant. These are thesame guys who can't see the difference between a 22 and a 50 caliber shredder.
What dingo said.
This is a free country. Don't smear her for speaking up for what she believes is right. The minute someone on the left speaks up and begins to be heard the smear machines are in full swing.
This is precisely why I am afraid for the future of my country. If one has a strong belief, one should be able to fight for it without a character assasination.
"Wacko liberal" is downright offensive. I say good for her for standing her ground in the face of such attacks, whether I agree with her or not. We need more like her.
I agree with you Siggy. I think that it would horrible to pull out now. But that doesn't change the fact that has a right to her opinion. And who is also anti-war and shares her view is not automatically tranfered to her and her motives. If the KKK endorsed Megan's law, would that make Megan's parents 'activism' any less valid? Have dubious groups latched onto Cindy? Yes. But dubious groups have latched on to the minute man progect and every other project to secure our borders. Does that mean those progects are automatically bad now?
And when I said swift boating, I was not referring spcefically to you, but many of the other blogs out there talking about Cindy.
Dingo, did you see anywhere where I advocated shutting her up?
All I'm saying is that is it is important to distance oneself from those with less than honorable intentions.
Robert Byrd understood tgat- to his credit- and continues to do so.
As for the swiftboating- well anyone that does that in an attempt to shut her up are idiots.
dingo;
Have you read the "Downing Street Memo"?
Sheehan claims that it's publication is what radicalized her,(although she also has claimed that she was against the war from the start).
Their "proof" is so laughably thin, it actually BUTTRESSES Bush's WMD rationale for the War.
And since its' so manifestly threadbare a "proof", she can only be doing what she is from conscious intent.
And that means she's fair game.
Here's the Times link:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/
art...1593607,00.html
Don't know if SCA's crib is link enabled, but a cut n'paste will get 'er done.
Regards;
"This is a free country. Don't smear her for speaking up for what she believes is right. The minute someone on the left speaks up and begins to be heard the smear machines are in full swing."
My remarks were, "To be clear- if Ms. Sheehan were to have adopted a real anti war stance, we would have applauded- and even celebrated, her right to protest the war."
I have not in the past, nor would I ever, want to muzzle Ms Sheehan. I have made very clear that my disagreement with Ms Sheehan's politics amd her political associations.
Now, I disagree that taking a stand against Ms Sheehan'a politics is character assasination. Indeed, one could make an argument that Ms Sheehan's own words send that message.
Dingo:
Drat! A postscript.
Thank you for fixing your attention upon my previous comment.
Rgds;
"Dingo, did you see anywhere where I advocated shutting her up? "
you haven't, and admittedly, you are bearing the brunt of my frustration of other blogs that have called her a media whore and liberal c*nt, and do advocate shutting her up.
But I do think that you put too much wait on the other groups who have latched on to her.
I haven't dealt with her at all(not that I ever deal with anything worthwhile) but I can't help thinking she is what she is.
an anti war activist who has a son that died in Iraq.
She has become a lightning rod for the simple reason that people like Maureen Dowd have said her moral authority was "absolute." The loss of a child (even a child that died in the military) does not impart special moral authority no matter what the views.
The death of a child, even an adult child, is a very emotional event, and the effort to tie those emotions into a political statement about the war is disgusting and revolting. And that applies to the anti war crowd and its absolute moral authority stance and to those that say she should honor her son and his heroic choices among the opposition.
There is no moral high ground in this story.
"She is no different that any other parent who has used the death of their child to draw attention to what they see as an injustice."
She's having her day in the sun, as it were. But what about the thousands of relatives of soldiers who disagree with Sheehan, and support the WOT? Or is it only seeing something as an injustice that entitles one to an increasingly far-reaching opinion trumpeted in the media daily?
Perhaps you missed Ms. Sheehan's own brand of compassion:
"I don't understand how any mother could want another mother to feel the pain we feel. I am starting to lose a little compassion for them. I know they have been as brainwashed as the rest of America, but they know the pain and heartache and they should not wish it on another. However, I still feel their pain so acutely and pray for these "continue the murder and mayhem" moms to see the light."
Yup, respect for others' "moral authority" filled with hyperbole-free compassion. What did it take her to arrive at this point? Three weeks of unstinting microphones and video cameras waiting to pick up her every utterance? In the interim she's become an expert on Middle East politics and the psychology of grief as it pertains to all mothers of those killed in Iraq or Afghanistan.
In that light, it becomes important as to who gives her credence and who doesn't.
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