Tell me about your mother....
SC&A:
They had WMD's...this is news?
Not to me.
I just regret that I didn't go long in leasing Syrian warehouse space.
Not only could I have made a pile of dough, but I would be an intelligence asset.
And once the cruise missiles were done doing their thing, I could probably collect from the insurance.
Wouldn't that be a neat trick?
(I gotta stop hanging around the waterfront.)
Regards;
I'll bet the crating fees were outrageous, too.
What bothers me is the deliberate attempt to deny the reality, when clearly, even those who knew better, had no compunction to lie about it all.
It's funny how you think a bogus organization like Cybercast News Service (similar to good old Talon News), and an insane person such as Saddam Hussein, are more truthful and reliable than American Democrats.
You're a prolific writer, I'll give you that--guess there's no time for fact-checking and common sense.
Isaac:
You're rather prolific yourself.
"It's funny how you think a bogus organization like Cybercast News Service (similar to good old Talon News), and an insane person such as Saddam Hussein, are more truthful and reliable than American Democrats."
Hmmm, without having yet seen the Nightline piece, or the tapes that they are reportedly going to broadcast, it's peculiar how you counterpunch by attacking Cybercast and Sadaam Hussein.
Looks to me like you've already half-decamped to your fallback position of attacking the messenger, since you might not be able to refute the message.
"I'll give you that--guess there's no time for fact-checking and common sense."
Would you like a fact checked and a dose of common sense?
Here:
"A limited number of cases involved the discovery of old chemical munitions produced before 1990, "
Interesting...I was not aware that chemical weapons had a "sell-by date", after which point they ceased being dangerous.
(I wonder what your average community activist would say if he were told that his kids' school was built over a former chemical weapons range, somehow, I think "old" would mollify him, do you?).
And here's the common sense...even if the chemical weapons were of pre-1990 vintage, they were STILL chemical weapons in Hussein's possession...thus, Sadaam indeed DID have WMDs.
Even the UberFrauFuhrer alludes to this in her remarkably stateswomanlike "FuhrerBefehl":
""[T]here were no weapons," Sen. Hillary Clinton, (D-N.Y.) recently commented, "or if there were, they certainly weren't used or they were in some way disposed of or taken out of the country.""
What can common sense say about that statement but that it is a herald that announces the ability to be a political weaselpenis is now a career field fully open to both sexes.
Regards;
Isaac- what motivation would Saddam have to lie? And do you know what the tapes reveal? How?
If anything, Saddam would DOWNPLAY his role in WMD's.
THINK Isaac, THINK before you open your mouth.
There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We know that now.
Saddam may have believed that he had WMD. That belief, like your belief or George Bush's belief, was mistaken.
At the end of WWII, Hitler was ordering divisions into battle that had been destroyed years ago. His subordinates were too frightened to contradict him and would pretend to carry out his orders.
If the Allied Command had carried out their military strategy based on intercepted communications from Hitler's bunker, they would have been gravely misled, as we have been in the Iraq war.
At the end of WWII, Hitler was ordering divisions into battle that had been destroyed years ago. His subordinates were too frightened to contradict him and would pretend to carry out his orders.
That's what you get when you have a pointy-haired boss who surrounds himself only with yes-men.
"There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We know that now."
Yes. He had them moved to Syria. We know that now, too.
Are you implying that Saddam passed them on to Damascus as a gift? Or, do you believe Assad, et al, were only caretakers?
I take David Kay's report as the exhaustive evaluation of the evidence. His findings: there were no WMD in Iraq and no evidence that WMD were moved to Syria. The belief that there were WMD in Iraq was wrong.
I understand the belief that WMD were moved to Syria as a rationalization of someone desperate to avoid admitting a mistake.
I'm sorry- you are a bit behind the curve here. Both Iraqi and US Intelligence services have testified to that effect.
Unless you think they work for SC&A, my beliefs are not germane to their testimony.
Copi:
" I take David Kay's report as the exhaustive evaluation of the evidence. His findings: there were no WMD in Iraq and no evidence that WMD were moved to Syria."
Then where did the chemical weapons that WERE found IN Iraq come from?
Oh, that's right, they were "old".
"Hey fellas! You can take these masks off! This mustard gas is expired..."
(cough-cough, hack-hack)
"The belief that there were WMD in Iraq was wrong."
Ain't y'all glad that Copithorne isn't in a chemical defense unit?
Regards;
Great post.. I would like to believe that the Dems can still morph into the "loyal" opposition party, but their behavior just keeps getting more extreme and desperate.
More fun at Copi's expense:
"At the end of WWII, Hitler was ordering divisions into battle that had been destroyed years ago. His subordinates were too frightened to contradict him and would pretend to carry out his orders."
Sounds like Howard Dean and the BDS crew...happily ignoring the fact that George Bush was elected by armies of voters.
"If the Allied Command had carried out their military strategy based on intercepted communications from Hitler's bunker, they would have been gravely misled, as we have been in the Iraq war."
M'Gawd, but you're a hoot...all that business about German Enigma encryption intercepts and cracking the Japanese code that allowed us to mug 'em at Midway...all that just washed right over your coconut,and didn't wet anything at all, did it?
Oh, that's right...FDR didn't get a warrant from FISA before he wiretapped the Nazis and the Japanese, huh?
You're a funny fellow, copi...what hole did you crawl out of?
Regards;
Bilgeman says: " Interesting...I was not aware that chemical weapons had a "sell-by date", after which point they ceased being dangerous."
They don't. America's inventory of chemical agent, produced long before 1990, are still very dangerous, and very deadly. Currently they are being destroyed, but the chemical agent itself is not inert. In some ways these munitions are far more dangerous now than ever before. Also, there was a mustard exposure at Dover AFB, in 2004 I think, in which the blister agent was from a WWI round that had been dumped into the Atlantic for decades (no one knows when) and in appearance was black goo.
Copithorne wrote: " There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. We know that now."
Nerve agent and Raid are chemically pretty close and spraying raid around your bedroom will cause you to test positive for exposure to nerve agent. Both are CHL inhibitors. The point of this information is that numerous 55 gallon drums of "concentrated insecticide" have been found in Iraqi ammo dumps and military sites stored with or near unfilled chemical agent rounds. The only difference between "concentrated insecticide" and GB (sarin) and VX (VX) is in intent, and not in their effect.
Kalroy
”Intelligence community analysts from the CIA, and the DIA reviewed the translations and found that while fascinating from a historical perspective the tapes do not reveal anything that changes their post war analysis of Iraq’s weapons programs nor do they change the findings contained in the comprehensive Iraq Survey group report,” the spokeswoman said in a statement.
“The tapes mostly date from early to mid 1990s
How Did Iraq Get Its Weapons? We Sold Them
Reports by the US Senate’s committee on banking, housing and urban affairs — which oversees American exports policy — reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.
Put it in perspective. Tim McVeigh had chemical weapons ie Oklahoma City. My county alone probably has enough potential chem weapons to level a large city. Invading Iraq has done nothing at all to stop a handful of determined fanatics from committing some future atrocity.
I can't believe that some people still believe that wmd existed and the Bush regime didn't lie to the American public. What causes so many Americans to love believe anything that idiot says?
Bill Muntz:
"What causes so many Americans to love believe anything that idiot says?"
Your hyperbole aside...Facts and Objectivity. Especially in the GWOT.
Kalroy;
Thanks, I was pretty sure of that already.
I knew seamen who sailed in "Operation Steel Box", which carried ...something... from ports in Northern Germany to a deserted island in the Pacific,
and the ships did NOT transit the Panama Canal.
Paid pretty well, too.
Regards;
Connie, you are off base.
We never sold Saddam WMD's of any kind. We gave Saddam PRECURSORS- an entirely different animal, for pesticide research purposes- as we did many other nations.
That Saddam CHOSE to morph those precursors into chemical weapons was a decision he made on his own.
If I give you a car to drive to work and you get drunk, drive and kill someone, don't blame me for giving you the car.
It was a DECISION by Saddam to create WMD's.
Bilgeman,
I worked on a deserted island in the pacific. I'd bet it was the same one. Heck, it's the only one it could be.
All the yuck that was stored there (and some found in other places and shipped there) have been destroyed.
Kalroy
> THINK Isaac, THINK before you open your mouth.
Silly English Kaaaaaaniggit!
You think there are thought processes behind those words?
You're dealing with a complex Eliza computer program, you fool! It's hooked up to the Dem talking points, and you're taking it seriously!!
BWAAAAAhahahahahahahahaha!!!
> Ain't y'all glad that Copithorne isn't in a chemical defense unit?
Well, if he were, he wouldn't be for long. That's gotta be some consolation.
> Put it in perspective. Tim McVeigh had chemical weapons ie Oklahoma City. My county alone probably has enough potential chem weapons to level a large city. Invading Iraq has done nothing at all to stop a handful of determined fanatics from committing some future atrocity.
Connie, I don't know what alternate universe YOU are living in, but in THIS one, there are, at the very worst, THREE LESS terrorist training camps, and ONE less filthy rich dictator openly funding them.
This ignores, of course, the disappearance of some 70-90% of the Al-Q leadership, which also substantially reduces the threats.
One of the differences between what happened just in the last few months up in Canada and down in Florida vs. what happened in September, 2001 was the quality of the leadership available to direct the efforts of your "handful of determined fanatics".
No, none of the above **eliminates** the threat, but its chances of **successfully acting** has been greatly reduced.
Like, "WHACK".
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