evangelicals have treated gays in a very satanic manner. i don't trust those people at all. they will have a long, long way to go before they convince me that they are decent people - a very, very long way to go.
Joel Osteen was not swayed by their appearance in his church on Mother's Day. Mel White sat in Falwell's church for years, and nothing was changed to be more accepting of gays.
Tammy Faye was a gay icon, not for her religious belief, but because she was camp, like an overmade up drag queen.
Gay rights will be won through legal battles and popular media culture, not by regurgitating a supernatural belief to include "we are all gods children and Jesus loves us". Seems silly to me.
While Idon't really have even the slightest idea as to why anyone would want to harbor any of the feelings or conceptions going with the religious impulse, I can't find fault with people who do as so long as it doesn't do harm to other people.
Where I live, pretty unsatisfactorily now, in Minnesota, there are numerous "gay friendly" as well as gay churches.
These have cusomarily been a social meeting place. I don't believe that they are of the evangelical variety, but who knows. I think that thaty is the impetutus to the strong "marriage"
politics here as well as PFLAG movements, neither of which I can even relate to. It seems to be a part of the Scandinavian and No. European heritage of most people.
I thought about joining something or other, since people don't socialize much outside of church, but they usually expect you to take some kind of peculiar beliefs seriously (not funny!) and to sit thorough these obscenely dry serices without so much as a novel.
BTW Charlie: Tammy Fay outdid any drag queen I've ever seen: Even divine.
Too bad Sontag never wrote about her.
Those evangelical babes with the hot pants are just beyond belief or imagination anyway. I wonder if Jay dresses up like her.
Did you think of joining up Mike, just for fun!
Christian moderates, like our gay churches substantiate the bible. LGBT's have their interpretation, and many see Jesus as a gay man, as Rev. Wright and others see Jesus as a black man.
As Sam Harris said in his debate with moderate Christian Andrew Sullivan, "Forty-four percent of Americans believe that Jesus will return to earth to judge the living and the dead sometime in the next fifty years. This idea is extreme in almost every sense-extremely silly, extremely dangerous, extremely worthy of denigration-but it is not extreme in the sense of being rare. The problem, as I see it, is that moderates don't tend to know what it is like to be truly convinced that death is an illusion and that an eternity of happiness awaits the faithful beyond the grave. They have, as you say, "integrated doubt" into their faith. Another way of putting it is that they have less faith-and for good reason. The result, however, is that your fellow moderates tend to doubt that anybody ever really is motivated to sacrifice his life, or the lives of others, on the basis his heartfelt religious beliefs. Moderate doubt-which I agree is an improvement over fundamentalist certitude in most respects-often blinds its host to the reality and consequences of full-tilt religious lunacy."
CA Supreme Court will announce its decision tomorrow at 10am PST:
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/cour...me/
SF051508.PDF
Thanks, patrick , glad there's a contingency keeping an eye out on that front. . .the law is our ultimate voice
For a split second, I thought this photo showed you and your David, Mike! In reality it is Mr Bakker - never mind. Almost as good-looking as you are.
Oh, and congrats on THAT decision in Ca!
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