a female friend of mine in her 50's angrily told me that she would vote for mccain over obama. this woman claims to be a feminist and a friend of gays.
i told her that if she voted for mccain, i would consider her a liar and a hypocrite for all the years that i have known her. some of those people need to grow up and to realize what is at stake.
I called in to today's show and said that I was concerned about the black racism being displayed over the campaign. I know that you only have a short time to make your point, so I want to elaborate on what I was saying. First, of all, I have been so sick and tired of the Obama-files belief that everyone who does not support their demi-god of being a racist. Where yes I do believe racism exists, everyone that doesn't vote for him will have their own reasons not simply because of his skin color.
As I was saying on the show today, the thing that haas really turned me off to voting for Obama is this permission that he, his supporters, and the media give to blatant black racism. The implication that black voters are more valuable than white voters (seems to me I remember a shit storm when Hillary referred to the "hard working, white Americans" referring to Obama's problem in that demographic, since obviously he didn't have problems with the hard working, black Americans, why would she include them in her statement, notice the placement of the comma) But I digress, the fact that after both of the Pastorgate controversies no one said anything about the excitement level (the hooping and hollering) of the blacks listening during the very sexist and blatant racists statements being said of Clinton.
This point is strictly anecdotal, but I drive a truck for a living (which is why I am James from somewhere new every time I call) and I meet many people every day, at truck stops, shippers, receivers, you name it. I also have a Hillary Clinton for President sticker on my truck. I on two occasions in different states was called a N*****HATER in Mississippi and a Klansman in Georgia, both of these comments were made by black people and all based on a sticker I have in my window. This brings me to my concern, will electing Obama bring about a movement where black racism against whites will be commonplace and come out of the proverbial closet??? I seems to have been excused this entire primary process from the supporters of the black candidate, and for the white candidate it seemed to be a minefield covered by eggshells.
I have to ask does this concern you Mike or anyone else? Is this something that anyone but me things needs to be discussed. Where I will NEVER vote for John McCain, I think this being unchecked could seriously damage the Democratic Party's chances of retaining the White House in the years to come. Please let me know what you think.
James
thank you - some people need to keep hearing this over and over and over again.
i just do not get this caller's argument.
for whatever we don't know about obama - isn't what we do know about mccain enough to make us vomit at the thought of voting for him?
why do we even have to like the person we are voting for on any level? i never liked john kerry, gore was my first pres. election so i was pretty excited about that (only to be.. well, you know how that went) and even though i supported hillary before i decided to do so i was quite cynical about her just as i have been about obama. my girlfriend was all into richardson at first and all i could say to her pre feb 5th was something like, yeah yeah yeah, they're all the same.
so these suicide voters need to get over the person they are voting for and wake up to the fact that we are voting for an agenda. obama and clinton's public stances of things are 98% identical! how could anyone leap to mccain?
and how about the guy who called today to say that he and his partner are in the top 2% income bracket and will vote for mccain. this is whats wrong with people. vote your income? thats really nice. not to mention simply ignorant. no politician is going to put MORE money in your pocket, and if you have enough as it is, why be so selfish and irresponsible with your vote? people who think this is a reason to vote should stay home. i know very few people that make large annual incomes, but the few that i know could never vote based on what they make. its called having a conscience and beliefs that stem beyond your wallet.
and who said obama is a homophobe? even if he is, he's a democrat so he would have had to learn not to be by now. plus i don't believe he is actually homophobic. there i go defending obama! see what happens when faced with pure idiocy?
even if obama and the democrats might throw gays under the bus, yet again, mccain and the gop want to put us on a bus and drive it into a burning building.
if democrats can retain control of congress and a democrat can get in the white house, and we won't have a president who vetos every. fucking thing. we might have a shot at some real progress as a community.
not to mention EVERY OTHER ISSUE AT STAKE.
This is some of what I was hearing in my office too. They keep saying, "it's just something about him. I can't vote for him". That is bullshit. Voting for McCain is voting against yourself. It is sick.
Thank you for speaking up forcefully on this. On one level I want to say to them ---- "Go ahead, put McCain in office. Then check back with me in four years and tell me how that's working out for you."
This election is about the destruction of the pension system, the destruction of the Social Security system and the Justice Department, the national debt which is exploding, and the failure of banks and financial institutions yet to come. It is also about uncovering the many other things done in secret by Bush and Cheney.
But many people are very lazy. In the age of the internet, what is there to be known that a reasonably inquisitive adult cannot find out? Was Obama's history in the Illinois legislature not a matter of public record? Are his votes not recorded?
For years Obama taught at the University of Chicago Law School with Richard Posner (one of the most highly respected jurists in the country).
Is this not a public institution? If he were such a wildly dangerous person, would this not have been known there? Is this not a matter of public record?
In this information age "I just don't know enough about him" is a cheap excuse for laziness because he has policy position papers on his own website, as well as reputable, highly respected academic advisers in economics and policy working with him on his campaign. (Ever hear of Samantha Powers?)
Take responsibility for the gaps in your knowledge, and get to work!
I just hope these people get over this. As for James F, well I can't see how a President Obama is going to affect Black racists one way or the other. Even if he was a racist, what could he do? Start a pogram? I think you're down at the fish store buying a big red herring. Think about why this matters to you so much.
The caller's arguments make me crazy! Think about the ongoing legislative impact of having another Republican WH! Think about the upcoming Supreme Court nominees that would come forth from a McCain WH! We need more justices like Roberts, Scalia?
Get real, Clinton supporters! Think of the legacy of the GWB years. Even with the darkest of presidents in recent years (think of Nixon), RMN opened up China for diplomacy and trade and initiated the 'War on Cancer' (I believe) at the National Institutes of Health. What has Bush and the GOP left us at the end of the Bush years?!
Roe v. Wade and other important basic rights rulings will be diminished or eliminated with another Republican WH.
While Obama is not my first, second, or even third choice from the original pool of candidates, I will be very happy to vote for him. I find these emotional "If I can't have Hillary I'll vote for McCain" arguments to be really really dumb.
But given the fact that there are enough stupid people in this country to re-elect Dubya to a second term, I suppose we shouldn't be terribly surprised at this bizarre sour grapes attitude from some Clinton supporters.
I can understand how Dubya might have hoodwinked people the first time around. After all, he was virtually a blank slank on the national scene, an unknown to most people. (Speaking of experience, BTW, Dubya had less than Obama has, people. Think about that.)
I cannot understand how anyone could have voted for Dubya the second time around. There was absolutely no excuse for doing so except intellectual laziness.
I remind those who cannot look beyond their disappointment about Hillary's loss about what happened to SCOTUS when lazy knee-jerk people re-elected Dubya.
It's okay to be disappointed, people. It's not okay to abandon your brains.
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LOL ... sorry about the weird typo. It is, of course "blank slate" in the post just above this one.
WOULD IT BE ANY LESS INSANE, IF BLACK PEOPLE DECIDED TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN IF OBAMA LOST!!!!!! NO !!!YOU ARE PLAYING SEXIST AGAIN!!!!!! DOUBLE STANDARDS ARE NOT RIGHT BOTTOM LINE!!! AND NO I WILL NOT VOTE FOE A SEXIST BIGOT LIKE OBAMA!!!! ALL HE HAD TO DO, WAS COME OUT AGAINST THIS SEXIST MEDIA DRIvE THAT WAS DISGUSTING. NO HE DID NOT HE ROAMS AROUND THE COUNTRY AND CALLS WOMAN SWEETIE!!! CIVIL RIGHTS MY ASS!!!!!!! SO NO I WILL NOT VOTE FOR HIM .....OVER MY DEAD FEMALE BODY!!!!
Sweetie,
So your choice is between Obama and McCain and you'd chose McCain because you believe he is a better feminist than Obama? Because McCain isn't sexist and Obama is?
Let's be objective here for JUST a moment. When it comes to public policy positions, who do you think is better on women's issues? Who do you think is better on glbt issues?
If you answer McCain to either one of those questions then you are willfully, arrogantly STUPID. Do actual PUBLIC POLICY ISSUES matter to you at all? Stop being such an ugly stereotype of a woman and use your head a little more-- this really isn't about your feelings. This SHOULD BE about public policy and who would be better in charge of our country.
If you consider yourself to be a progressive or a Democrat then the answer is NOT McCain.
How completely upside down is your world when you believe that Obama is a sexist bigot?
Do you know ANYTHING about McCain? Compare Obama's calling someone "sweetie" to McCain calling his wife a "cunt" in front of his staffers and reporters. Who do you think has a bigger problem with women? Who do you want to run this country?
The idea that people "don't know him" is being planted, ever so subliminally, by the corporate media. If you pay attention to the way they frame their discussions this meme gets dropped in a lot. So now you have people who aren't so media savy, which is most of us, going around repeating this. They don't even realize that they've had this spoon fed to them.
I ask you. How in the world can a gay person not give Obama the benefit of the doubt? My god, this is a multi racial (black) man who has grown up in Kansas, as well as around the world. He is the closest thing your going to get to having a president that knows what it is like to be treated like a second class citizen, from both sides. Are you people who are going to vote for McCain really that stupid?
as a clinton supporter who has been unhappy with sexism in this campaign i have to tell you that i don't think obama is a sexist man.
weather or not you like michelle obama, she absolutley is not some little stepford wife, she's not the kind of woman a controlling sexist man would marry. plus he has two daughters. i don't see how a progressive man married to a strong woman with two daughters would be able to have outwardly sexist attitudes. i think that many people have racism and homophobia so deeply ingrained into them that it even suprises them at times, men and women have a little sexism somewhere in there system. obviously thats a larger discussion, on how things have been taught to us and drilled into our consciousness over years and years.
but you have to think logically when it comes to your vote.
and like others above have said, voting for mccain becuase you think obama has been sexist (and at times i've felt that as well, throughout this campaign) is ludacris! who is more sexist, the one who wants to do away with a woman's right to choose or the one who would defend it?
By all means, vote for mccain, but this is what you will get!! :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S...h?
v=S5t2dJnN2eg
McCain's very UN-moderate stance
Mike, thank you so much for confronting this issue head on. I hope more radio shows put this issue on the air and are as blunt with the callers. People need to get over their emotions, and hopefully will in time. But this talk of Hillary running as an independent or taking the fight to Denver is idiotic. We are one party and need to unite over our candidate. The Republicans will do enough in the fall to tear us apart, but in the meantime we cannot self destruct. This is about our future and our children's future. I do not want a world for my children where Roe v. Wade is overturned. And I fully believe that McCain will appoint judges to the Supreme Court to do this. I urge anyone who reads this to vote Democrat in November.
I agree wholehartedly.
In fact, I had the same "this week I'd vote for him, next week for her" thing as you did.
I also think that, as supporters of the winning side in the nomination, some vocal Obama supporters have some extra work to do.
Specifically the ones who were vicious not only to Clinton, but to anyone who even tepidly supported her. Or didn't even support her, but just tried to point out when lies were being spread.
Personal opinion: They need to start apologizing for their behavior. This is critical for party unity in November. There's no way in hell they can expect the people they've hurt the most to support them after being pretty much treated as if they were complete scum.
Unfortunately the people who treated others like that are the least likely to ever admit they went to far. Which, of course, makes me assume they couldn't care less about a successful or unified Democratic party.
But someone's got to do it.
Hillary Rosen said it best when she said Hillary needs to take a breath and we all do. I believe most of the people saying they will vote for McCain are doing so because they are angry. There was a recent flawed study out claiming that people make better decisions when angry, but the preponderance of studies show that anger minimizes and in some cases completely blocks rational thought. I can attest because even though I deciced to jump on the Obama bandwagon only a few days ago, my anger waxes and wanes, and with it so does my faith in that decision. Just a few minutes ago I read that Jimmy Carter told a British newpsaper that choosing the former first lady,(as VP) who has refused to concede defeat, would be "the worst mistake that could be made." He told the Guardian that since half of each Democrat's supporters don't like the other, Mr. Obama would run the risk of "the worst of both worlds". The validity of that statement can be debated on either side, that's my rational mind talking, but my anger says, SHUT THE FUCK UP JIMMY and go build another freakin' habitat for humanity already, just shut your pie hole. When I am feeling that way there is no singing Kum Ba Yah! Of course not everyone who says they will vote McCain is doing so solely out of anger, some turn that anger into spite. I believe so many people in this race have voted on personality and personal reasons more than ever before. They want their candidate for whatever reason, the first woman, the first African American, I even think some gay men want to be topped by Obama and that's enough reason for a vote,period. Those people who don't really care about party ideals, and greater issues such as the war or Supreme Court nominees are a lost cause. They might as well be voting candidates off the island, bacause they are better suited to be calling into American Idol than voting in the greatest democracy mankind has ever known. Gotta run, I think the final episode of The Bachelor is on the Reality Channel! Bye!
a real feminist and a true progressive would never even consider a vote for mccain and the repiggies.
Michelangelo, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU a thousand times THANK YOU for taking your callers to task for saying they would vote for McCain over Obama. I truly believe that this is such an emotional reaction, and I hope that come November, these people will have woken up and realized that Obama is not that different from Hillary, except that if you look at things objectively, overall he ran a much better campaign.
Every single person that says they will vote for McCain over Obama begins their sentence with "I feel...". They are reacting emotionally. These people need to think logically and they will realize that McCain in the White House would be a disaster, both for women and especially the LGBT community.
Think, people, THINK!
Heya Mike,
Thanks for one statement you made that the long time Obama supporters truly need to think about, and that is that, had Hillary won, they would be in the streets screaming and crying. I would contend that they would scream racism all the way to the Supreme Court and you know how that would have ended up.
I am a fervent Hillary supporter, but I do realize, somewhat painfully, that Obama is a slightly better choice that McCain.
The main thing that turned me off on Obama actually was I didnt want to be associated with his supporters. They have been nothing be rude, vicious and arrogant to me from day one. Some of my friends and even my mother and I have argued over it. My one friend who was a Hils lover had Obama stickers plastered over his car because he just put a Hillary sticker on it the day before. I have been called racist and ignorant. I even made sure to NOT comment on Obama because I really didnt have a problem with him, but his fans made me hate the whole idea of him.
I will probably vote for him come November, but one thing his zealous fans need to remember when they open their mouths to comment, he needs US to win...plain and simple. So please stop the rhetoric. And Hillary supporters...she ran a great fight, but we cant sacrifice our well being just to stick it to the idiots that treated us badly.
Unite...i doubt it...accept the facts...that I can do.
All this does is go to show that Clinton Supporters are exactly the kind of people that pissed off America in the 1990s which brought us the Bush Presidency... How would I know? Because these very same people pissed me off so bad that I made the STUPID mistake of voting for Bush... Now they are laying that trap, AGAIN!
These Clinton Supports are arrogant, self-serving individuals who are trying to convince you to make a stupid choice in November, just like they did in 1999.
DON'T FALL FOR IT!
C3 - you really shouldnt paint all Clinton supporters into a corner with this. i voted for her on super tuesday and have rooted for her but i have no problem voting for Obama and agree with him on the actual issues.
the people freaking out and wanting to go down with the ship are a very small percentage of hardcore supporters who are wrapped up in something right now and have their heads up their asses when they say they'd vote for mccain.
i still don't understand the explination of your voting for bush, however.
? ?l nite I dropped my Afro-American neighbor's house to see how the race was comming.
He was furious that Obama won!
"He's not an Afro American, He's a foreigner" if you tried to run a real Afro America e.g Sharpton, he would never even be a candidate."
He was voicing an Afro -American prejudice for anyone who was not from slave roots, and his view was certainly part of a larger voice: his church etc. Black americans in this part of the country hate africans worse than they dislike whites.
The reasons are more comlex than I want to discuse here. However., he was so furuios that I could barely get a word in edgwise. So, James, I wouldn't derive any generalizations about blacks arizing with white animosity: what was on your windshield anyway?
If you try to simplify things in terms of race and sexuality it is difficult.
E.g the woman who took such raving offense to Obama calling women "sweetie" is terribly naive:
It has traduitionally almost always been the case that black women address younger white men as "sweetie" I've been called "sweetie" endless time; it's a term of endearmen with many black people and has no sexual innuendo. So think before you get angry. If you think that MCCain isn't a Sexist, you forget that he calls his wife a "trollop" and numerous outher insultuing things inb public on record. You are simply wigged out if you think he's anything but an
abusive mysogynist.
Obama has, more than once been associated with being effeminate, compared to Clinton because of her manly dimeanor and aggressiveness. Obama is very much of a gentlemen and "a very intelligent man" (as even R. Murdoch said).
I don't know that anyone has pointed out, at any point, a feature related to either character or policy which would make us want to do anything but give Obama all the support he needs. We need to be
a meaningful gay movement, and take responsability for generating the world that want! The forces of real evil against us are more potent
as mike has pointed out, again and again, than they have ever been.
If we want to be a meaningfull part of the process and get what we want then we'd best pitch in, or crawl in the closet.
gay rights is not going to die. we have come too far. electing mc cain will not change anything. so don't bait with we cannot allow mc cain to be elected. did you forget that obama would not meet with the gay philadelphia press, did you forget that he would not meet with the mayor of san francisco, did you forget about mc clurin the born again christian who used to be gay? vote green and forget obama.....
C3: "These Clinton Supports are arrogant, self-serving individuals who are trying to convince you to make a stupid choice in November,"
OMG, C3, you are so part of the problem.
I am angry because since Iowa people have been trying to push Hillary Clinton out of the race. She ended up getting more votes than any other presidential nominee in history. She deserves respect.
James F. is right, people are going to use the race card against anyone that disagrees with Obama over anything.
Opinions toward gay people have stalled or reversed since the 90s after a rise in positive support. We can't let another republican in to do more damage.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/ra.../
prej_prev.html
It's bad enough people do not want a third party but the way you are expressing your opinion for people who disagree with you shows to me you prefer only one.
james - certainly obama like many democratic elected officials has had some gay gaffes, if you will. but for christs sake to say in a sense that it doesn't matter if we get mccain is just crazy.
our movement will not die, but it will make no progress and possibly face even larger battles if the GOP is in the white house any longer. think about what progress we could make with congress and the president on our side. with a president who promieses to veto everything that will help us, and sign things that will hurt us, how can you deny that a mccain presidency would be of great harm to the lgbt community?
You don't know the half of it. I've been inundated w/ stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d...h?
v=dUyce6224Mk
Big time - some of these Hillz supporters aren't gonna be team players. Best we plan around them.
I understand why the Democrats are upset. The Democratic National Committee overruled the will of the majority, just as surely as Dick Cheney and James Baker did back in the year 2000, by imposing their favored choice over the choice of a majority of Democrats.
While I am not a Democrat, I certainly can understand why lots of them are angry. The Democratic base is reacting by explaining to the DNC that they own their votes, and they're interested in taking their votes elsewhere.
The DNC told the states of Florida and Michigan that their votes didn't count, then that their votes half-counted. Then it awarded delegates to Obama when he wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan.
All these games -- plus the ill will directed at grassroots Democrats -- is coming home to roost. The Obama campaign and its supporters have badly miscalculated how their power politics game would play out in the long term -- they disenfranchised and insulted a huge swathe of the Democrat base and now are insulting them *again* for not supporting their undemocratic candidate.
At this point, browbeating Democrats is far too late. Obama people are going to have to spend at least as much time earning the votes of those they have insulted and disenfranchised as they've spent insulting and disenfranchising them. Calling your friends "liars" and "bastards" because they're not going for the dirty politics of the Obama campaign will only ensure a larger loss for Obama in the General Election.
Vote for McCrazy and say goodbye to your reproductive rights. I'm an Obama supporter and never in a billion years (or as long as McCrazy would have us in Iraq whichever comes first)would I consider voting for a rethuglican.
Vote for McCrazy and say goodbye to your reproductive rights.
I don't buy it.
Ultra-right-wing George W. Bush, with 9/11 and a Republican majority, couldn't do this.
Moderate John McCain, with a Democratic majority, won't be any more successful at it. In fact, he'll be less likely to do this than Bush was during his term.
This stuff is the politics of fear. It's old, outdated bunk -- no different in many ways than the constant "terror alerts" of the GOP era.
Until the Obama campaign stops bullying voters and gives them something to vote *for* -- rather than fear-based voting -- they'll continue to find that their message doesn't resonate much outside of the Obama echo chamber.
mccain will appoint supreme court judges who will be the ultimate decider if things like gay marriage, roe v. wade and other damaging social issues are brought up by the right. and they don't leave when he does, they are in there for the rest of their lives. this is why you should not vote for mccain. the supreme court has no balance whatsoever and a democratic president could restore that if they were the ones appointing judges.
Brian Miller, you have a couple of Supremes looking to retire. The right wing nut job gets in and guess who will get nominated by someone who vowed to overturn Roe V. Wade. You may be right, McCrazy only said thats what he will do. Let's take a chance shall we?
Anyone who votes for Bush, then blames 18 million other people for making him do it, needs to look at his own motivations and judgement.
That's fear-based reasoning. It's just like the Republicans who told me that if John Kerry is elected, his policies will result in terrorist nukes destroying New York, Washington, LA and San Francisco and we'll all die.
I'm in market strategy. Successful "products" like politicians give people a reason to buy/vote for them. Unsuccessful products warn of dire consequences if you buy someone else's stuff or don't buy at all.
So far, I'm not seeing a positive message of "change" and "hope" from the Obama campaign -- just a lot of negativity directed towards fellow Democrats, as well as people who aren't in the Democratic Party at all.
It also doesn't speak too well of your faith in the existing Democratic Party -- if your party cannot block the nomination to the SCOTUS of an anti-choice or virulently anti-gay SC justice, than what good is the Democratic Party?
Again, you've got to lead with a positive, empowering message and believable agenda. Obama has been very good at uttering slick platitudes about "change," and also insulting huge swathes of voters. That helped him get the Democrats' nomination -- but it's not going to win the election. You guys have to channel that crazy, wild, fear-driven anger into something positive and differentiating -- otherwise, you'll be looking at a replay of Mondale/Reagan.
yo mjc, no regrets in what i had to say. we have come too too far to turn back. for christsakes we are getting married and having children. you think they can take that away from us. i think not. and for god's sake do not bring up the supreme court it is already packed with a bunch or right wing wingnuts.
i have been hearing about the over turning of roe versus wade since i was a child. ain't gonna happen. so vote green.
so mjc we're still brothers and or sisters in arms. good!!!!!
This is insane how can a Democrat vote Mcain?
I am 100% Hilary supporter, of course I am incredibly disappointed Obama won. I don't think it was fair the media held him up like a hero at the beginning and ultimately created a tidal wave that took him to the end. While they bashed Hillary from the start.
However he is only a face for the party - Bush is not totally responsible for the mess the country is on his own. The whole republican party is! Which includes Mcain and all the other old crispy fossils with outdated views merged with the religious right.
A Democrat can only vote democrat - it is that simple. If you believe in yourself and the constitution freedom and liberty for all (not the chosen few) - you will not sway from the Democratic party.
Regardless of the personality at the head. Obama could be bozo the clown (oh no he is president right now) it would not make a difference if you are truly a democrat.
I will not be voting for McCain nor I will not be voting for Obama, if Clinton is not on the ticket as a VP. The first woman VP would be a honor and possibly the first female president in 4-8 years.
The history of women in politics is quite reminiscent and relevant with what is happening in our current election process.
July 1848 the Seneca Falls Convention a demand for women
’s wrongs to be laid before the public, and women themselves must shoulder the responsibility. Before the afternoon was out, the women decided on a call for a convention “to discuss the social, civil, and religious condition and rights of woman. The group drafted eleven resolutions, making the argument that women had a natural right to equality in all spheres. The ninth resolution held forth the radical assertion that it was the duty of women to secure for themselves the right to vote.
In 1869, however, a rift developed among feminists over the proposed 15th Amendment, which gave the vote to black men many suffragists refused to endorse the amendment because it did not give women the ballot. Other suffragists argued that once the black man was enfranchised, women would achieve their goal.
Even back then the so called feminist were split.
When the national victory came in 1920, a woman
’s right to vote, seventy-two years after the first organized demand in 1848, only one signer of the Seneca Falls Declaration, Charlotte Woodward, a young worker in a glove manufactory had lived long enough to cast her ballot.
In my life time to see the first female Vice President would be something worth celebrating on both side of the current feminist movement.
I am not willing to wait 72 years for this opportunity to pass.
Maria in Minnesota
The thing about the "pladitudes about change" is that there may be more to them than Obama wants to admit: hence he simply doesn't say.
If Obama was anything but an extremely intelligent man and an idealist, those pladitudes might be empty.
On the other hand they may be wiser and more aggressive than he wants to say. My bet is on the latter.
Why get the Republicans to excited.
Let them fart around with the dumb old fart who they have and domn't care about.
Obama is more than a pretty face/ to Hillarys Iron fist.
There is a lot going on upstairs. Have you ever played cards seriously? or gambled. The First rule is that you never show your opponent any more than you have too. This is no different.
Do you think that all of the smart people who back him are just doing it for his color: please give people a little more credit.
It seemed to me that the corporate owned media (read: right wing) was all geared up for a showdown between Clinton and McCain. Obama, for lack of a better term was a dark horse. I like Clinton, met her and found her charming. Obama I find inspiring though. When things stopped going Clinton's way (and to me it was almost like she felt she was owed the nomination) Obama started to get more face time. My original choice was Richardson by the way. What finally made me go for Obama was the fact that the democratic party and the candidates agreed to leave Florida and Michigan out due to the moving the date of the primaries ahead. Clinton's about face saying that the people deserved to have their votes counted when she originally agreed not to count those same votes was offputting. When I heard that, it was over for me and any support I might have had for Clinton. And Bill didn't help matters either.
It his not his intelligence I feel is lacking (though Hillary is far more articulate and more capable at answering questions on the fly.)
It his sincerity - I just don't feel or hear it. He bores me and waffles around subjects, after which I am left wondering where was the answer in his response? Regardless he will get my vote against McCain.
Obama is more than a pretty face/ to Hillarys Iron fist.
There is a lot going on upstairs.
I've seen little to confirm this repeat contention.
As a marketing sort, I'm pretty in-touch with Obama's attempt to "position himself." (Ha ha).
However, a successful brand also has substance and a real experience built around it. So far, Obama makes a lot of vague brand promises, but the delivery has yet to happen.
"Trust me, he's smart and will do stuff" isn't enough in this election. Obama will have to make real efforts to undo the damage his campaign caused to his party and the American body politic -- and that will require humility.
Right now the Reagan Democrats are trending more towards McCain every day. Bullying them will just send more of them to McCain and keep them solidly in his camp.
At the end of the day, voters need a "reason to believe." Obama has accomplished this with the 45% of the Democratic Party that is his electoral base -- but hasn't with the rest of the electorate. 45% of Democrats is only about 18% of total voters.
to zoe kentucky- while i agree with what you said, winning over someone talking about sexism is unlikely when you start out the post "sweetie." Not that you were trying to win her over, but still. It's demeaning, come on.
Also- James Wharton- during the gore-bush election cycle i was also under the impression that "dem, repub, all the same thing- it doesn't matter!" and then bush came around, the iraq war came around, and guess what? it has mattered.
and you know, ultimately, gay equal rights will win in the end i firmly agree. but it still made me feel pretty shitty in the 2004 election cycle when state after state enacted marriage ban, tried to roll back anti discrimination clauses, blamed gay rights for bush's win.
i don't live in california or mass. So I still can't get married, and if Obama doesn't change that, I'll be complaining to him. But McCain sure won't, and a green won't get elected. I'll vote green locally where we have a chance.
Whether McCain or Obama (or Clinton)is elected, not one thing is going to change significantly for the specific issue of gay rights in the next four years. None of us will see a difference for better or for worse. So stop making this whole election a bigger deal than it is.
Bill: if any one used an actual issue card against Obama, then it wouldn't be so obviously a" race"issue, since this is a racist nation and never has ceased to be.
As my neighbor said Obama ain't even a "real American Black Man"
All I could say, which I think is true is that no one would run the progeny of slaves in America.
& Maria from Minnesota; I'd say that Hillary did pretty well; if she is not a V.P. I suspect that that will have to do with her. Maybe if women learn to just be other human beings , no better or worse no more deserving just because they are women, they wouldn't have such a hard time. Remember, 1/2 of the feminest struggle is womens refusal to give up a priveledged role. We are all in the process of learning what that is. Are you acting like a woman now , or a person?.
I am Libertarian and jumped ship to support Clinton's drive for the presidency. Why? Three reasons, health care, fixing the nation's infrastructure and that she is a woman.
Obama's platform although the media has played them as quite similar candidates, this is is where they divide. Obama's health care plan leaves too many people behind, lack of job creation platform and the fact his clit is way too large to get my attention. (ha)
Concerning our nation's infrasturctur, Katrina, Minneapolis bridge, New York 'Ground Zero' and many more show that this Nation will not sustain itself.
Clinton's health plan is similar to Massachusetts, which is a huge success.
FYI: NPR has mentioned that their statistics show that Obama has a larger gap vs McCain, and will loose. While Clinton had a normal gap that will lead to a Democratic victory.
So, with everyone jumping ship towards McCain, which was expected . . . why would the DNC put Obama as the Democratic nomination?
Anyone have a good answer?
Maria in Minnesota
I am someone who calls everyone sweetie so I have a really hard time accepting that as cold evidence of sexism. Is there any evidence whatsoever that Obama called the reporter "sweetie" to demean her? NO. Obama is clearly married to a very strong, independent woman. Does Michelle seem like someone who would tolerate any sexist treatment from her husband?
I have a really hard time taking someone seriously who views the world in such a negative, narrowly absurd way. Especially anywone who considers themselves to be a progressive feminist and says they're going to vote for McCain to spite Obama-- that is unbelievably self-centered and short-sighted. It is uncomprehensible to me.
McCain is a right-wing thug whose presidency would be nearly identical to Bush's. This election is about much bigger things than hurt feelings-- this is truly about LIFE AND DEATH. How can anyone who values progressive ideas support John "Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran" McCain? Bush somehow managed to NOT get us into WW3-- are we really willing to risk that with McCain?
So, with everyone jumping ship towards McCain, which was expected . . . why would the DNC put Obama as the Democratic nomination?
Because there isn't any evidence of that happening outside a very vocal fringe group of Hillary's supporters. While their anger and disappointment at this point in time is understandable-- but what about 5 months from now? What if Hillary is out front and center supporting him? Are they really going to confuse loyalty to her with supporting McCain???
If you really adore and respect Hillary then you'll recognize that the best way to honor and respect her life's work is NOT by keeping a right-wing republican in the White House.
Wait, I know that McCain is an ass. I am voting against McCain. If the Democratic Ticket is Obama/Clinton the Democrats will get my vote, else it goes to the Libertarian candidate.
Maria in Minnesota.
Instead of hoopla and joy apologists for the bigoted leaders of the Democratic and Republican Parties are reduced to whimpers and whines.
They’re learning to wince at the term “civil unions” and are squeamish about calling it by it’s real name, “second class marriage for second class citizens” The truth is dawning on them that they’re trapped into apologizing for a party of bigots. Second class citizenship is all the Republicans or Democrats have to offer.
The implications of supporting bigoted candidates like
Obama, McCain or Clinton are beginning to sink in. It turns out that when they pandered to christian bigots, and they all did and still do, it wasn’t a mistake after all, but a strategy, the same strategy used by Bill Clinton and George Bush.
Apologists for the Democratic Party certainly have their work cut out for them this year. They have to dream up some scare tactic to frighten the clueless into voting for bigots because McCain, Clinton and Obama agree on most things. They each supported NAFTA, a union busting measure and a rolling environmental disaster. They each voted to cut taxes for the rich and welfare for the poor. They each oppose socialized medicine.
All three will continue the genocide in Iraq for years. More GI’s and more Iraqis will die. All three support zionist ethnic cleansing and apartheid. More Palestinians will die. McCain says he’’ never surrender”, but so did Nixon, who did surrender. Hillary Clinton wants to nuke the Iranians and Obama promises to invade Pakistan. They’re lunatics. Their wars for oil companies are killing people.
Clinton and Obama’s Party refused to repeal DADT and DOMA. Then they shredded ENDA and finally dumped it and the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes bill in the garbage. McCain’s party, who are also against GLBT equality, happily supported the Democrats.
So in 2008 the only thing Democrat apologists can come up with is “McCain will appoint Bogeymen to the Supreme Court” to gull the clueless into voting Democratic. It’s not very effective when you remember that the California Supreme Court, with a six to one majority of Republicans, voted for full marriage equality. Just like the US Supremes who’ve occasionally voted for us, those occasions occurring when our movement had become powerful enough to compel them. The courts main role is to protect the rich, and if they have to throw us a bone or two they will, but that happens ONLY when we force them to. It our strength that wins, and that has nothing to do with the political makeup of the courts, the Congress or which lunatic is prowling around in the White House.
I have a really hard time taking someone seriously who views the world in such a negative, narrowly absurd way. Especially anywone who considers themselves to be a progressive feminist and says they're going to vote for McCain to spite Obama-- that is unbelievably self-centered and short-sighted.
So you're going to win over Clinton voters who are justifiably angry about the Democratic Party disenfranchising their votes by calling them greedy, negative, narrowly absurd, self-centered, short-sighted, vocal fringe, lying, hypocritical, not-grown-up, suicidal, irresponsible, arrogant, stupid, emotional people?
Something tells me that's not going to win them over. 
(PS -- every single one of those insults was pulled, more-or-less verbatim, from the Obama supporters on this thread. Sorta jolting to see it summarized, isn't it?!?)
For people who getr twisted in knots about the "most popular candidate and all of that, remember that America is a Republic, not a pure democracy.
If you read Montesque and the other literature related to Balance of Power, you will realize that one of the things that were to be protected against were an unchecked dictatorship of the majority, since most people don't know the issues but need to be a primary concern,nonethless. The selection of delegates assures that people in the party who have a special dedication to determining the direction and quality of the candidate, make the final decision.
Obama was determined to best reflect a representation of those policies of the democratic Party.
Plain and Simple. (it has nothing to do with presumed electability-which changes immensely in 5 mos-this is silly to debate and I don't know why Hillary would pull that card up, since she knows the Constitution and how the checks and balances are intrinsic to it's genious- elreectability is something that always changes by election time and is not relevant to what the party wants.
Bush has done more than any president to undermine our Constitution and I know that we all need a course in U.S. Constitutional Law, because it is a work of genious which is being trampled and forgotten about. this is an example. Electability is not in itself foremost to U.S. Law.
America is a Republic, not a pure democracy
"The popular vote is an abstract concept. America is not a democracy, it is a Republic. President Bush has won the electoral vote." -- James Baker
The hypocrisy of the Democratic Party's position wouldn't have been so galling if the entire party wasn't whining about Florida in 2000, and about Ohio and "counting every vote" in 2004 -- while simultaneously forcing the Greens off the ballot in Pennsylvania.
Is it a "democratic" party or not? If not, it should change its name and call it the "Superdelegates Know Best" party or the "Voters Are Retarded" party.
So you're going to win over Clinton voters who are justifiably angry about the Democratic Party disenfranchising their votes by calling them greedy, negative, narrowly absurd, self-centered, short-sighted, vocal fringe, lying, hypocritical, not-grown-up, suicidal, irresponsible, arrogant, stupid, emotional people?
This isn't simply about winning them over-- this is about calling them out on their nonsense. From progressive to progressive. From feminist to feminist. From GLBT to GLBT. When a friend goes off the deep end do you smile and pat them on the back or try to pull them back from the brink?
I started off as a Hillary supporter. I understand that Hillary's supporters are upset and disappointed but to promise to support McBush in the fall because their preferred candidate didn't get the nomination is just plain stupid.
This is about telling them to stop thinking only of their angry or sad feelings-- this election is FAR BIGGER THAN THAT. If they want to honor Hillary's work and efforts the best way to do that is to support her progressive values-- not turn around and vote for someone who doesn't share any of them.
It's tough love time, baby.
I'm willing to wait a bit before I break out the tough love. I supported Hillary when our primary came through, but it was sad to see what the campaign, not necessarily the campaigner, had become.
Still, I would have voted for her. Probably not contributed money but voted. And, given time, probably would have broken that rule.
I think for most, its time. But I also know that I talked to a man who wouldn't vote for Hillary because they remidned him of a "bitchy ex-wife" and a woman who wouldn't vote for Obama (called me an "Obama-lover") because Michelle Obama reminded her of this black woman she'd gotten into a confrontation with.
So it goes.
mark, you said something here:
Maybe if women learn to just be other human beings , no better or worse no more deserving just because they are women, they wouldn't have such a hard time. Remember, 1/2 of the feminest struggle is womens refusal to give up a priveledged role. We are all in the process of learning what that is. Are you acting like a woman now , or a person?.
now, i don't know if i should be offended (my first reaction) or ask you to elaborate. what do you think the "priveledged role" is that women are refusing to give up?
and how can women act as people when we are taught gender roles from such a young age? can men stop acting like men and act like people? how can a woman not act like a woman when everyone sees her as a woman and most people hold preconcieved notions about women, as many do men.
i dont think anyone should feel as if they deserve something simply because they are born one way or the other. if anything, women, especially those who work in male dominated industries, have to work harder to prove that they aren't there just because they are a woman, they have to at times be aware of female stereotypes and do what they can to work against them, prove themselves, and when they do we know what they are then called.
often you have to be better than qualified if you have things working "against" you, be it being gay, female, both, one or the other, a person of color, etc. that does not equal, in my opinion, that i or anyone else deserves it. we just might need to work a little harder and go on more interviews to land that job, etc.
and what if i took your quote, replaced it with another group, take your pick of people who have been oppressed throughout history. what is the reaction then?
i, as much as anyone would love to live in a post-gendered world. but unless you live your life surrounded only by people who are enlightened enough to make that their reality, chances are it just will not be a reality for us for a long time.
i would also love to live in a world where people stop comparing oppressions and struggles and learn that in many ways they are all one in the same. not to sound too much like a bumper sticker.
i am just conflicted by what you said and wonder where its coming from.
to cedarcrane,
we were not talking about the iraq war, were we ?
have we forgotten the disrespect and total contempt shown to a formidable inspiring woman candidate. what a disgrace. now tell me, do you think obama and the democratic party gives two hoots about gay righs. think again.
i and others like me will not be voting democratic nor republican. the democratics deserve to lose.
go green....
j.p.wharton
James I agree with you. This educated nation deserves more than this corrupt two-party system.
I am feminist first and will be voting for the Obama/Clinton ticket. If Clinton is not on the ticket I will go with the party that represents me as a woman, as a lesbian and a citizen of the world . . . the Libertarian Party.
Where is my Mr Smith? It isn't Obama, his pockets are full of donations even from the Nation of Islam with three members on his staff.
Let me clarify, this is NOT saying Obama is a Muslim. I believe he is NOT a Muslim, even though he has not denounce Muslim publicly.
But, don't you think that someone who has some of their contributions, just like Bush, coming from a radical place. Or did I miss something?
Do we want anther president who will have to keep those back room promises? These back room promises will take priority over those we want or expect Obama.
Even my favorite President Clinton has stabbed us in the back during the midnight hour. Clinton was the best Republican in office. While Nixon, no matter how bigoted he was, he was one of the good Democrat in office. Nixon was willing to be a issue, policy president not a GOP hand puppet.
If McCain wins, I only hope that he will be a milder (ha) version of Nixon.
Maria in Minnesota
Wow. I am so glad I don't watch television, or listen to Clear Channel - I mean, the radio. You know how I made my decision on who to support? I went online and did research. I didn't listen to a bunch of Big Brother Media Talking Heads creating strife within the party and slinging insults. I didn't see any political ads or watch news broadcasts hurling the race or sexism cards. I researched their policy positions and read interviews. I checked out both their websites. And while I landed on the Obama side, I would have supported Hillary if he had lost. I have never thought less of the Hillary supporters, or insulted them. Nor has any Hillary supporter insulted me. I have no rivalry toward the Hillary camp. In fact I hope Obama asks her to be VP so that all the liberals can get together and compromise and be unified. Reading all the hostility here on both sides I think exemplifies the division, fear-mongering and mud-slinging that is the byproduct of the mass media. One wonders, so much of the media being right-biased, if that was the plan? I wish everyone would turn off their televisions and research... then we could debate policy and public record, and not fling petty insults! It's so frustrating.
This is not so much a comment as a confession and I want it known , I speak for only myself . Hillary was my candidate . I love the Clintons and their patriotism and their hard work and committment to the American People . I believed that they were our best bet to recovery from the past 8 years of the Bush campaigne. I believed that Senator Obama was at the least , a Christian Conservative and a homophobe especially after the Donny McKlerkin thing . Which means war in both cases as far as I am concerned . So , because of these things , I believed , I was going to vote for McCain once I came to the reality that Senator Obama had won the nomination . Which was a cold hard reality for me having donated my legal limit to the Clinton campaigne .
I knew what a horrible idea that was . But , still justified it for the reasons I said earlier . I admit now these disiccions I made , and had never even heard Obama speak . Never gave him a chance to make an impression for himself . Everything changed when I heard him give his acceptance speech . I heard his genuine thoughts and feelings and lost a great deal of fear for him I had and didn't even realize . I began to see that he is the best person for the office of President of the United States . I also saw in me the undertones of predjudice I had been harboring by not recognizing him as an acceptable and credible candidate . I also believe my fear of him was unfairly based on the assumption that his entire presidency would be based upon race based preference . I believed he would be more interested in getting reparations for slavery than the urgent issues at hand . I also believed he was espousing all of the issues of the other candidates and had no real positions or issues of his own . These , I now believe to be all false assumptions and a cloak to hide the real feelings of racism I was having . I confess these things because I want all Democrats to learn from this . Senator Obama has done everything humanly possible to assure us he IS honestly about change and Unity . I want to Appologize to him and all Democrats for my indiscretion . I now fully support Senator Obama for President and intend to cast a vote for him in November . Congradulations Senator Obama , for being the first black American to win the nomination for the Presidency and I look forward to your administration . asparky41@gmail.com
The right wing has been pitting Americans against each other with rascism and sexuallity for a long time and this is no diffrent . The Republicans did everything in their power (in my opinion) to get Senator Obama nominated . They wanted us divided like this . In their eyes it was the only chance the Republican party had to win this time . Well , the joke is on them . We are progressives , we are above all of that , and Senator Obama is a great candidate . He will also make a great President . We will not be divided on this . We WILL unite and rally behind our candidate and promote the DNC right into the White House in 2008 . Don't fall for the same ole divide and conquer crap . Get behind our candidate and stay there . He deserves our respect and support .
Thank you!
A 48 year old mother of three thanks you for your incredibly cogent response to your call-in. I think that by carefully listening to and helping people accept their "gut feelings" that we may make more progress in 5 months in this country than we've made in 50 years.
Or at least, I can hope...
Love you.
yo mjc, what privelleged roles are you talking about. are you some transexual or something. women have been struggling for years to break the glass ceiling. privelleged roles my a..the open hatred and misogyny clinton has suffered in this campaign is deplorable. as i said in an earlier email we had an opportunity to vote for the most formidable and inspiring candidate to come along in ages and we blew it. she is simply put the best. i along with many people i know have changed our registration from democratic to independent.
and so it goes....
Really James Wharton ? The Best ? Really ? Are you old enough to remember back before Auto insurance was mandated in the U.S. ? It was cheap . Then it was made mandatory without protections for the consumers and guess what happened . Well the same thing will happen under Hillary's health insurance plan . The Best ? I think not . Besides , that's not even the question any longer . You do have a point about the misogyny but , its pointless now . Can't you see the need to take what we have and make the best of it ? I too was a Hillary supporter and served my purpose and made my opinion known . I wasn't a dissinfranchised voter from Michigan because I got off my ass and made contributions to her campaigne and that made my vote count even though it was a michigan vote . SHE LOST . Millions of FELLOW DEMOCRATS disagreed with me and I think they know something I didn't . Senator Obama has won the nomination and good bad or indifferent this is now the situation . To be pissy about it and whine and cry like a 2 year old makes you into a rascist . No other explanation makes sense . Stop making all of the Hillary supporters look as though they were only voting for her because they couldn't stand the thought of a black American in the White House . We are the progressive party who believes in freedom and Equality for all . We believe in Unity and most of all inclusion . If this isn't you then you are not a Democrat in the first place .
yo allan, think twice or perhaps three or four times before calling anyone a racist. fyi i am black. because obama has won the nomination doesn't mean i am not entitled to my views or opinion about the him and the party. you cannot unknow something and i cannot unknow that neither he or the party i belonged to stood by and said nothing when and here i must repeat myself "the most inspiring and formidable candidate" was viciously attacked by his supporters and by the media. i have voted democratic all my life, but i will no longer vote for the party . oh they will survive.
and alan you sure you didn't spike the kool aid fella.......
Coolaid ??? I don't think so ! My point is only that ... This is this and that is that . It is over and these are now the two candidates we have to choose from . A vote for a third party is as good as not voting at all and your choices don't include complaining about how it was . It is now about who will win in November . It is counter productive to carry on so about how poorly we think the media treated Hillary or any other sense of ill . We have but two clear choices and we have to make the best informed desission and given what we already know about John McCain , that should be a no brainer . Think of it not as a vote for Obama but instead , a vote against John McCain . If you throw your vote away and John McCain is elected president you deserve the poverty and bigottry that is sure to follow .
and what land are we living in now honey and cake. i don't think so. read the front page of saturday's ny times........okay and listen up. i speak for me and me alone i will not be voting democratic again. i have never voted republican nor will i ever.... as i have said in my earlier emails. i listened to all the doom and gloom before associated with bush and guess what it came to pass. but hey we were warned. the media sold us bush and now they are selling obama. i am still waiting for someone to explain to me why obama represents"change" and "hope" for the future. the white house is now occupied by an inexperienced man, albeit a nice man, of limited accomplishment who used cocaine as a young adult and told us in 2000 that he would bring about change for the better and "hope and unity" (more words). the democrats are now offering us an inexperienced man of limited accompliments who used cocaine as a young adult who again promises change and unity. and that my friend is what we call change??? uhhmmmm.
nah.....not this time. i never liked koolaid (incidentally allan, that is the correct spelling)
I guess anger, like live, covers a multitude of faults. For the women who are still trying to force Obama to make Hillary his VP, consider something. No presidential nominee has ever been told who his running mate should be. Why start it now -- unless you have some ulterior reason. You think, like Hillary, that she was entitled to the nomination. Well, the people voted, and a majority didn't see it that way. These "vengeance votes" are most likely to hurt the people making them. I wish some of you could have to live rule by McCain or Bob Barr. You'd run screaming for any help you could find. Your not feminists, you're spoiled babies demanding what you want when you should not get it.
Jo Martinson, you are incorrect.
"No presidential nominee has ever been told who his running mate should be." Even on the MSS he mentioned briefly that is not not uncommon in US political history, even mentioning LBG. He did what ever he could so that his efforts to the white house were not in vain.
I guess if a man does it it just becomes normal politics, but when a Woman does it gets touted with words vengeance, and entitled, demanding and spoiled.
Your words, not mine.
Maria from Minnesota
Obama and his supporters seem to be calculating that they can win a victory while throwing women over 30, gay and lesbian voters, working class voters, voters over 40, and Latinos out of the Democratic Party.
Those groups, which tended to support Clinton on the Democratic side, disagree.
I think that Obama, being an exceptionally weak candidate on the intellectual and policy side, will need all the support he can get. His supporters disagree and have declared that they -- and they alone -- will run the show and everyone else will like it and show up for him in November.
We'll see who is right -- but I wouldn't vote against the Hillary voters' promises of pain at the ballot box.
you know...you know...jo martinson, people like you ought to get your facts correct. "the majority of people didn't see it that way". for goodness sakes, she won the popular vote. she carried all the big states by large percentage points. obama won the the boutique states where there are more cattle than people. get your facts straight before posting.
come the fall we are going to have an illegitimate candidate, like bush, selected by the elite of the party, running for office. how fair is that?
Well, not that it matters terribly on this subject that's so old, but I want to throw my comments in on this too. Please read all the way through if you are going to read it at all, and don't just read half of it and quit because you think you know what I'm going to say...you most likely don't.
I, like your caller, find myself in a position where I don't trust Barack Obama either, and I'll tell you why. He is an incredibly talented orator with what I deem to be a rather racist religious background. Great orators scare the HELL out of me. Great speakers can move mountains, and if you question that just have a look at Adolph Hitler and how many people he was able to convince to support his insanity?
I don't really fear Obama, but rather I fear the population that is supporting him. This fear came from my attendance of our precinct meeting during the Iowa Caucus. There were some very angry, boistrous African-American ladies there that began to heckle and criticize the blue haired little old ladies supporting Hillary Clinton. These hostile women literally scared these women out of the caucus site with their threatening, angry rhetoric(and thus caused a delegate that should have been Hillary's to go to Obama). When these boistrous women noticed that the older ladies that supported Clinton were leaving, their response was "Good. Get on out of here...you gotta learn that We're gonna be in power now." I just stood there amazed...the precinct leaders weren't even aware this was going on, because they were either too busy taking care of other democrat business, or too busy looking the other way.
Now that was at the very start of this nomination mess, during the Iowa Caucuses. I knew from that point on that I would not support Mr. Obama, even if he won the nomination-- specifically because of the quality of people his constituency consists of. It was very clearly a case of anti-white racism. I have no idea just how many other caucus precincts experienced this type of problem, but ours couldn't have been the lone example of this.
And that's the gist of what bothers me about Barack Obama. He's a powerful orator, with an amazingly violent group of supporters that idolize him. That backing has, of course, grown to include other "non-violent" folks in the past several months, but that angry, anti-white core of supporters is still there, and any man who can move that group of potentially violent people with a single speech is dangerous, and no a person that I want running the United States.
I agree that Mr. Obama has some great ideas that can change our government for the better, but I have to believe that any person who thinks he's going to walk into the White House and literally "Change" Washington Politic's is completely naive. I can hear the fat cats in Washington now laughing their asses off...welcoming him fully well knowing that he's not going to be able to change a thing.
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Mr Obama did win the democratic nomination and I'm pretty sure that he's receiving endorsement from Hillary Clinton. Because I trust Hillary, I don't feel that I truly have any choice but to vote for Mr. Obama. I don't believe that Mrs. Clinton would have us vote for someone if she truly didn't believe that he were going to make at least a passable president...but my ignorance may well be showing here. I'd like to think that she wouldn't, anyway.
I really hate party politics...
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