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Je suis allé tirer hier avec le Smith & Wesson de mon père. Un régal. Ca tire droit, et la détente est excellente, toute douce. C'est très fin, en fait, comme arme.
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05.11.08 - 5:59 pm | #
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Do you really feel secure if you (and everybody else!) can easily find a gun? Check the stats...
Would you say that US citizens are much more violent that other from europe or CA? The difference is that they have access to guns!!!
List of countries by intentional homicide rate:
United States 5.6
Yemen 3.98
Spain 3.35
Iran 2.93
Finland 2.75
Scotland 2.56
Sweden 2.39
United Kingdom 2.03
Canada 1.85
Portugal 1.79
France 1.64
Italy 1.23
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03.28.09 - 4:30 am | #
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In Switzerland you can very easily find a gun, the gun density in the country is extremely high, even with regard to fully automatic guns. But we do not have a very high crime rate. There is no link between the availability of guns and crime.
The thing is you cannot avoid that criminals get illegal guns. Your figures are due to criminals using illegal guns. The only thing you achieve through gun control is to disarm the honest law-abiding victims before it faces an imminent threat. That can hardly be your goal.
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03.28.09 - 10:49 am | #
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The problem is not only the access to guns, but the inegality within a specific society; europe, and Swizterland are relatively egaliatarian society, whereas the US are highly inegalitarian.
There is a strong correlation between the crime rate and the Gini coefficient. Altogether, a Highly inegalitarian society and readily access to guns is a recipe for disaster!
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03.28.09 - 7:36 pm | #
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I am not sure what you understand by "egalitarian". For me this implies a socialistic intrusion of government into civil society. I cannot say that this is something good. Neither do I think that Switzerland has an egalitarian society (fortunately!). Egalitarianism is just another word for totalitarism which especially Europe (and much less the US!) has a great experience with. Egalitarian and libertarian are opposites; by far I prefer the latter.
I think the gun issue in fact hides another issue. We would like to have gun control be the solutions to all evils, which in fact it never will be. Legal gun availabilty is always only a issue for honest law-abiding people. The evil guy will never care for such laws, he will not be hindered by them. Thus I cannot trust gun-control laws to counter criminality. They just can't.
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03.29.09 - 12:38 am | #
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well, egalitarian society as one in which the spread of income distribution would be relatively narrow (eg sweden, and to some extend Switzerland) and well distributed, as opposed to other countries where a very limited number of people (eg Argentina, USA). This is pretty much what the Gini coefficient measure.
So I understand that, being a "neo-con" libertarian, you would rather let the poors get guns and kill each other, after all, who cares? not you for sure as you don't leave in the middle of the battlefield.
The best way to protect yourself is to be willing to share some of the wealth created with the poorer, who otherwise would have no option but to try to steal from you.
I am happy to see though that these libertarian ideas are rapidly vanishing in the US and Europe!
PS: how do you characterize honest law-abiding people? Traders and the like? what a joke
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03.29.09 - 1:51 am | #
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Your approach is more the Robin Hood one: Steal from the rich (via taxes and expropriation) and give to the poor. Maybe you haven't noticed that this is based on pure violence, as it relies on governmental agents presenting me THEIR guns if I want to defend my property.
Being a libertarian, I oppose any kind of violence, also and especially when it comes from the Government. So if the poor wants my money (Unfortunately, I am not rich by the way), he is free to offer me something I want to buy. That is what I call an honest and law-abiding deal, it is based on mutual consent. What's your problem with it?
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03.29.09 - 11:21 am | #
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