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"HOW COME THE WEBSITE SAYS IT WAS BROADCAST 23 MINUTES IN ADVANCE, AND THEN YOU "SEE IT COLLAPSE BEHIND HER AFTER 5 MINUTES"."
If you download the full AVI from below you'll see - it's reported 23 minutes before, but the actual interview with the woman with the tower still up isn't till a bit later.
"- FIND OUT IF SOME TWAT TAPED IT WHEN THE TIME ON HIS VIDEO RECORDER WASN'T SET PROPERLY."
and
"CHECK TO SEE IF AN IDIOT WITH HIS TIN-FOIL HAT ON TOO TIGHT GOT MIXED UP BECAUSE OF THE TIME DIFFERENCE"
Does it really matter? As has been said before on this thread, surely the point is they're reporting it happening before it actually does.
I'm very cynical towards these conspiracy theories but this is concrete evidence - WTC7 *was* a controlled demolition.
You MUST believe the Moon is, after all, made of cheese this day and age.
IF you don't believe that, YOU are a 9/11 conspiracy nut!
Take your pick.
HOW COME THE WEBSITE SAYS IT WAS BROADCAST 23 MINUTES IN ADVANCE, AND THEN YOU "SEE IT COLLAPSE BEHIND HER AFTER 5 MINUTES".
HERE ARE MY SUGGESTIONS FOR THINGS TO INVESTIGATE ABOUT THIS VIDEO:
- FIND OUT IF SOME TWAT TAPED IT WHEN THE TIME ON HIS VIDEO RECORDER WASN'T SET PROPERLY.
- CHECK TO SEE IF AN IDIOT WITH HIS TIN-FOIL HAT ON TOO TIGHT GOT MIXED UP BECAUSE OF THE TIME DIFFERENCE
- INTERVIEW THE ENTIRE AUDIENCE OF BBC NEWS 24 AND ASK THEM WHY THEY DIDN'T NOTICE THIS AT THE TIME.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/...hs/
4213805.html
One does not need to be a structural engineer to demonstrate that the destruction of the twin towers were not simply gravity-driven sequential collapses. An understanding of high school level physics is sufficient to prove that the speed of the fall violates the Law of Conservation of Momentum. I present the model below, and encourage readers to check the figures for themselves. On its website (http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/
faqs_8_2006.htm) NIST attempts to explain the speed of collapse: "...In other words, the momentum (which equals mass times velocity) of the 12 to 28 stories (WTC 1 and WTC 2, respectively) falling on the supporting structure below (which was designed to support only the static weight of the floors above and not any dynamic effects due to the downward momentum) so greatly exceeded the strength capacity of the structure below that it (the structure below) was unable to stop OR EVEN TO SLOW [emphasis mine] the falling mass. The downward momentum felt by each successive lower floor was even larger due to the increasing mass." The idea that a falling mass would not even slow down when striking a stationary mass is patently absurd, as the NIST scientists surely must know. The Law of Conservation of Momentum states that the sum of the momentum of two objects after they collide is equal to the sum of their momentum before they collided. For example, consider a 4-ton truck traveling at 60 mph that rear-ends a 1-ton car going 10 mph. Intuitively, we realize that the heavier and faster truck has more momentum than the lighter and slower car, so that after the collision the truck-car mass will be moving somewhat slower than the initial truck speed but considerably faster than the initial car speed. Before the collision, the momentum of the truck was 4 ton x 60 mph = 240 ton x mph and the momentum of the car was 1 ton x 10 mph = 10 ton x mph, for a total momentum of 250 ton x mph. After the collision, the total momentum remains the same (250 ton x mph) so the truck-car mass (5 ton) would be moving at 50 mph (5 ton x 50 mph = 250 ton x mph). Note that this example does not include any force being lost to compressing, crushing, or breaking structural elements of the vehicles. We call this collision perfectly elastic. The NIST scientists certainly would understand why the much heavier and faster truck slowed down a little bit. Regarding the Trade Towers, not only can gravity alone not account for the immense force required to break steel beams and pulverize a building and its contents into fine dust, but also gravity alone cannot even account for the conservation of momentum during the sequential collapse of WTC1. Here I focus on the time during which the building fell to the ground. To overcome uncertainties about the extent of initial damage, steel strength, etc., I make several assumptions, each of which underestimates the true duration of a gravity-only fall. Thus, the model gives the minimum gravity-only collapse time under unrealistically ideal conditions. As you will see, WTC1 fell even faster than that. WTC1 was a 110-story building that was 1368 feet tall. An airplane struck it between the 93rd and 99th floors. Abundant video evidence shows that the collapse began in the area of this initial damage, and progressed sequentially downward. For this model, we let the block of 17 floors above the initial damage, floors 94 through 110, accelerate by the force of gravity (acceleration = 32.17 ft/sec) unimpeded downward until it strikes floor 93. A resistance-free, gravity-only fall over 12.44 feet (1368 ft/110) would last 0.88 sec (distance = 0.5 x 32.17 ft/sec acceleration x time^2), at which time the 17-floor mass would be moving at 28.3 ft/sec (velocity = acceleration x time) as it struck floor 93. According to the law of conservation of momentum, when the falling mass of 17 floors moving at 28.2 ft/sec (17 units of mass x 28.2 ft/sec = 480.9 mass units x ft/sec) strikes the 93th floor (1 unit of mass x 0 ft/sec = 0 mass units x ft/sec), the resulting mass (now floors 93-110) would slow down to 26.7 ft/sec (18 mass units x 26.7 ft/sec = 480.9 mass units x ft/sec; the NIST claim that the falling mass would not even slow insults the reader). Then, the mass of 18 floors, 93-110, continue to accelerate downward until they strike floor 92, and so on. To keep the model free of parameters whose values are difficult to estimate, I make four simplifying assumptions, each of which underestimate the minimum time required for a gravity-only collapse. First, I assume that the mass of each floor is the same (i.e., 1 mass unit). It is highly probable that the actual mass of each floor decreased with increasing height above ground, since the approximately 240 perimeter and 47 core vertical steel support columns which would account for a significant portion of the mass of each floor were tapered, i.e, were thickest at the lowest floors which bore the most weight. The effect of this assumption is to overestimate the mass of the first floors to fall, thus overestimating their momentum and underestimating the deceleration upon striking the next floors. Second, rather than account for the thickness of the structure that separates each adjacent floor, the model treats each floor as a plane of zero thickness but with one unit of mass. While this assumption makes the calculations much simpler, it also underestimates the minimum gravity-only collapse time since it allows each floor to accelerate down a full 12.44 feet unimpeded, thus overestimating the velocity and momentum. Third, the model assumes that all the mass of falling floors remains together and strikes each successive floor. Video evidence shows that this clearly was not the case, as a substantial amount of material was ejected laterally. Rather than attempt to estimate how much mass remained to contribute to the momentum of the mass that strikes each floor, this model significantly overestimates that mass and thus the momentum of the falling floors. Fourth, each collision is considered completely elastic, i.e., all of the momentum of falling floors is transferred to the momentum of the sequentially larger mass. No force is expended to crush any structure, break any steel beams, pulverize the towers into fine powder, or accelerate material laterally. In other words, each floor behaves as if it were floating in mid-air at the moment it is struck from above, with no resistance to downward motion whatsoever other than its own mass. The effect of this assumption is to greatly underestimate the loss of velocity as the falling mass accumulates each new floor, thus significantly underestimating the collapse time. So, according to the model, the collapse first proceeds through 93 steps: floors 94-110 fall onto floor 93, floors 93-110 fall onto floor 92, etc., until the top of the first floor hits the ground. At this point, floors 93 through 1 have been crushed to the ground, and the top of the initial mass (floors 94-110) is still 17 floors (211.4 ft) above ground, moving downward at 169.8 ft/s; 11.3 seconds have elapsed so far. In reality, video documentation shows that the top floors, mostly relieved from bearing weight by nearly free falling, nevertheless somehow turned into dust in mid-air. The present model ignores that strange fact. For the last 17 steps, one step for each floor, we'll simply allow gravity to continue to accelerate the top of the 110th floor downward the final 211.4 ft unimpeded, without any structural or even air resistance. This final phase lasts 1.12 seconds. Thus, the total time for collapse of WTC1, modeled with highly unrealistic assumptions that significantly underestimate the true gravity-only fall time, was 12.42 seconds. However, WTC1 fell to the ground in about 10 or, according to NIST, about 11 seconds. Because 11 seconds is less than the theoretical minimum demonstrated by our model, the NIST progressive collapse theory is therefore unequivocally false. Period. Not only is the force of gravity insufficient to account for the breaking of steel beams (weakened or not), the pulverization of the tower into fine dust, or the lateral ejections of material, it is insufficient for even the speed of the fall, given the law of conservation of momentum. It simply is not physically possible. Clearly, in addition to gravity, there was considerable force that was acting on WTC1 as it collapsed that the NIST has not yet accounted for. Also, for there to be so little deceleration of the falling mass, floors must have already been moving downward at the time they were struck from above, i.e., they already had some downward momentum. These characteristics apparently are consistent with controlled demolition, but are impossible under the NIST model. Because the NIST sequential collapse theory is false, there needs to be another investigation into what brought the towers down. This investigation needs to be open to the public and completely transparent, the government must cooperate fully and allow access to all the evidence (e.g., declassify relevant videotapes and rescind standing gag orders), and all the participants should present their testimony under oath.
Sorry Dave but your frantic efforts to kill the BBC & CNN early reporting story just re-exposes your agenda, every time you trot it out.
The authorities could kill all conspiracy theories stone dead by responding to the questions which, after almost 6 years, they still refuse to answer.
http://www.studyof911.com/video/
Your assertion that "the timestamp has been added" is patently ridiculous. The BBC would leap on such a deliberate ploy, if it were true, but unfortunately for them - and you - the footage DID go out, early, as is recorded forever in the internet archives. The BBC now claim to have LOST the relevant footage. Too late. The CNN cat and the BBC are out of the bag. Deniers just highlight the fact that there is a concerted, perceived need to deny this information by parties unknown. Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, Dave.
"Despite some confusion on the issue of time code stamping and UTC conversions to EDT, the timing on the clip appears to be correct. This particular clip was recorded between 4:54 and 5:36 PM EDT. The anchor references to the WTC7 collapsing occur at 4:58 PM and 5:01 PM and then a live reporter says the building has collapsed at 5:08 PM in what appears to be a live shot with the building still in tact behind her. The feed from the live reporter is lost at 5:15 PM and then the building does actually collapse at 5:20 PM.
A subsequent clip from the BBC then shows coverage of the actual collapse in an archived account recorded from 5:36 – 6:16PM. This clip is available at http://www.archive.org/details/b...0109111736-
1818 .
An annotated version of the key sequence from this clip can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L...h?
v=LzxEoEfE_8A .
Further support for the correct timing on the clip comes from another archived clip, this one from the BBC 24 channel which includes a time stamp on the TV screen indicating that the reference to the collapses of WTC7 does occur before the actual collapse.
There is some discussion as to whether or not that time stamp was later edited in by someone tampering with the clip. It is unclear whether that happened or not but the reporting and the time of the reporting as shown does seem to coincide with the other BBC World report. This clip can be seen at various web sites including http://www.prisonplanet.com/
arti...07timestamp.htm .
Also there has been some discussion about whether the shot of the WTC7 still standing was a live shot or a so-called “green screen” shot in which the live reporter was photographed in front of an electronic screen with a superimposed image of videotape of earlier coverage. That could explain the time disparity; however other clips seem to support the view that the video behind the BBC reporter in this clip is indeed live"
Dave Burton, you evidently believe that repeating a lie makes it become true. An extensive list of structural engineers who believe the twin towers and WTC7 were demolished can be found at
http://911conspiracysmasher.blog...hey-all-
in.html
"Not a single one in the world", eh? Is this the measure of your credibility?
Matthys Levy, Structural Engineer and Co Author of “Why Buildings Fall Down”
"If you've seen many of the managed demolitions where they implode a building and they cause it to essentially to fall vertically because they cause all of the vertical columns to fail simultaneously, that's exactly what it looked like and that's what happened."
Video: http://www.freepressinternationa.../
discovery.html
Judy Wood, PhD (Civil Engineering / Mechanical Engineering) Mechanical Engineering Professor at Clemson University
“The Case for Controlled Demolition”
http://www.911blogger.com/2006/0...essor-
from.html
-Jerry Russell, PhD (MS in Engineering)
“Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC”
http://www.attackonamerica.net/
p...litionatwtc.htm
-Frank Demartini - Former Harvard Engineering Professor. Manager, WTC Construction And Project Management
(Died at the WTC on 9-11)
January 25, 2001: "The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jet airliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door,... this intense grid,... and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting."
The BBC is widely rebroadcast in the USA. If they had actually announced the collapse of 7 WTC before it happened, then LOTS and LOTS of people would have noticed at the time.
-Dave
Jim asked:
"I want to ask a question.Jim, nobody thought anything of it 5-1/2 years ago because there was nothing special about it. It was actually broadcast AFTER 7 WTC collapsed. The claims that it was broadcast prior to the collapse are lies.
Who was the first to discover this BBC fiasko?
Why someone didn't notice this in the first place, the first days after the attack?
why it took almost 6 years to report this(!?!)"
-Dave
Geoff Stevenson wrote:
> To Dave Burton - The BBC reporter was NOT standing in front of a blue (or green) screen -
>
> http://qwstnevrythg.blog-
city.co...6_minutes_i.htm
>
> Geoff Stevenson
Geoff, you sent me that link in email, and this was my
reply to you, which you ignored:
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You call that proof??
Gimme a break. The "watch the clip" link doesn't work,
there's no clue about where (or in what time zone) the
timestamp was added, and the web page is so sloppy that
it contains a completely obvious error almost right at
the beginning (in the third sentence).
Can you spot the obvious error?
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Apparently you didn't spot the obvious error. Come on,
give it a try! Truly, it is VERY obvious.
-Dave
Geoff, Richard Gage is apparently the entire membership of Architects and Engineers for 9-11 Insanity (or whatever he'll call it -- probably he won't be that honest when naming it). Gage is not an engineer.
I repeat: not one structural engineer in the entire world believes that "controlled demolition" nonsense... because it is nonsense. Nobody sane believes it.
-Dave
Hey Dave Burton! In an email to you, I sent you this picture -
http://infowars.net/pictures/
mar...90307topple.jpg
and I asked you - "Where did the top go in the next 10 seconds?"
You, Dave, replied that (and I quote) :
"It was crushed by its impact with the rubble pile (from the remains of the lower ~80 stories).
Think about what happened after the lower floors have all been crushed by the falling upper section, which had, by then, fallen about 900 feet, and been subjected to an incredible pounding from a series of about 79 massive hammer blows as
each successive lower floor was struck. The upper section was, by then, falling at about 150 miles/hour, when it ran into a the rubble pile (an immovable object).
Have you ever seen what's left of a car that hit an immovable object at 50 mph?
Well, at 150 mph an object has NINE (9) TIMES the kinetic
energy that it would have at only 50 mph.
Now do you understand why the towers were pulverized?" (end quote)
Well, Dave, c'mon ... "rubble pile ... immovable object"??? Pulverised dust does not constitute an immovable object. And here is the empirical data destroying your risible response :
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/...s/
rotation.html
Gravity collapse? You're having a laugh, mate. Only it's not really funny ...
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/
...explosions.html
To Dave Burton, who lied that "The truth is that there is not a single structural engineer on the entire planet who believes that crackpot nonsense about any or all of the WTC skyscrapers being destroyed by controlled demolition"
Dave! Wake up, and get with reality. Your credibility deficit is showing. The Architects and Engineers For Truth website will be going live very soon. http://ae911truth.org/
To Dave Burton - The BBC reporter was NOT standing in front of a blue (or green) screen -
http://qwstnevrythg.blog-
city.co...6_minutes_i.htm
What a pack of lies!
The BBC did NOT air that report before 7 WTC collapsed. They aired it after 7 WTC collapsed.
These leftist conspiracy nuts apparently think the reporter is standing in front of a window. She's not, of course, any more than David Letterman does his show before a real window overlooking NYC. She's standing in front of a video screen, which is (obviously!) showing footage that was previously recorded. It is the same "blue screen" technology that is used to show video footage of news events on a screen behind a news anchor, and to show giant weather maps behind the weather man.
But the conspiracy nuts are not just idiots. They are also shamefully dishonest when they add their false timestamps to the clip, and lie by claiming that the report was broadcast before it actually was. There are dozens of such doctored copies of the BBC footage on conspiracy web sites all over the web.
The truth is that there is not a single structural engineer on the entire planet who believes that crackpot nonsense about any or all of the WTC skyscrapers being destroyed by controlled demolition.
-Dave Burton
dave at burtonsys dot com
http://www.burtonsys.com/staticvdyn/
dave at burtonsys dot com
one more thought...if it is just a conspiracy theory, with NO basis in fact...then FOR SHAME that the multi-trillion dollar defense system of the United States couldn't stop a few hijacked airplanes from attacking some incredibly major targets ... What are the tax-payers paying for...if not security against something like this?
well all I am using is common sense...ignore the WTC attacks and look at the 5 still images of the pentagon attack...the only images EVER released.
and then tell the world that a 44 foot tall, 124 foot wide jet-airliner was what slammed into it...why were there contrails at ground level? And where was ALL the debris and bodies typical or EVERY other Jet crash site? These simple facts are ignoring all the other obvious incongruities of the "official" version.
This is just another Conspiracy Theory, like who shot JFK, etc.
From Wikipedia: A conspiracy theory attempts to attribute the ultimate cause of an event or chain of events (usually political, social, or historical events), or the concealment of such causes from public knowledge, to a secret, and often deceptive, plot by a covert alliance of powerful or influential people or organizations. Many conspiracy theories claim that major events in history have been dominated by conspirators who manipulate political happenings from behind the scenes.
I understand that it's horrible to think that some people were able to perpetrate this crime, but it's not because the government, media, or some other organization was helping them -- it's just that nobody's perfect and bad things happen all the time.
At the time that BBC report aired, WTC7 had been on fire for hours, it had a huge frikkin' hole in it, and the building's shape itself was visibly distorted. Its collapse had been expected for several hours. Check out this page for some photos and eyewitness reports:
http://www.911myths.com/html/
wtc...tc7_damage.html
Therefore the most likely explanation for what happened is that someone told BBC that WTC7 was *going* to collapse, but then BBC mistakenly broadcast that it had *already* collapsed. That's perfecly plausible, especially considering the stress and confusion of that day.
You have to give the BBC credit, they were on top of the story before it even happened. That's what makes them professionals.
This story is GROTESQUELY OBSCENE and stinks to highest heaven!
How the hell hasn't it reached the mainstream media?
THAT IN ITSELF IS PROOF ENOUGH THAT 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB PANTOMIME FROM BEGINNING TO END!
http://www.petitiononline.com/wt...c/
petition.html
Let's show Google some numbers that can't be cooked. 
We've got them against the ropes. Now it's time for the uppercut!
Really, Eien, you have a gift for overlooking the bleedin' obvious. You say,
"Of course we haven't seen the videos before now--as stated in the video, they were just uncovered today."
If that were true, if these clips were not broadcast at the time stated on September 11th 2001, and therefore available to the public for the past five years, they have no credibility at all. I take it that isn't the point you were trying to make.
Jim, supposedly the footage was made available in some sort of BBC archive and uploaded possibly by a whistle blower or who knows...maybe they want us to see it...I believe they have been agitating for a civil war and or revolutionary war but they only want a fraction of the people to fight it...gun owning patriots like the muslims will be the scape goats...so don't take the bait kids just keep putting pressure on them otherwise...
I want to ask a question.
Who was the first to discover this BBC fiasko?
Why someone didn't notice this in the first place, the first days after the attack?
why it took almost 6 years to report this(!?!)
/Please DIGG The MI-5 Supermarket Article from infowars.com at the top here:
http://digg.com/politics/upcoming/most
If you cant find it, Check the homepage.
Thanks!!
Another nail, I can't believe the general public doesn't go ballistic with the truth up in their faces. How long are we the people going to keep our heads stuck in the sand? Stop searching for the easy out and face the facts, we are all in great danger. Confront these guys wherever you can if only to ask why and let them know, we know. Support those who are out there pushing the truth out into the light.
In the words of the discredited bbc news director Porter or whatever his name is "this story is over". Yes, inside job case closed--START THE ARRESTS! Ask any human being to view the footage of wtc 7 coming down and they will admit yes, it looks exactly like a controlled demolition. Ask any human being to interpit "Lucky Larry" Silversteins comments from 2002, and they will say, yes, he said they brought it down on purpose. (pull it!!!!!!!!!!!) Now, debunkers will claim, "why would he admit it?" Answer is Why Not? In 2002, I, like most people, knew what happened. It was a terorrist act. I never even saw Silversteins comment and if I had it wouldn't have mattered. I was brainwashed. Yes brainwashed. I made fun of people claiming "inside job!" Yea, and Bush was the 20th hiijacker trying to fly air force one into the sears tower" I would mock them. Idiots. Well, they were right! I was brainwashed and BBC and CNN and FOX helped them with the brainwashing, willingly or not. What happened when Silverstein made his famous comment in 2002? Nothing happened! I can't imagine the frustation of the people who knew it was an inside job then . "MY god he just admitted it!!!!" And what happens? Nothing! It was not until 2005 that a spokesman(Silverstein still to this day is mum)said, no...he meant pull the firefighters. Why a clarification 3 years later? The 911 truth movement is why. And the explanation is laughable. Prisonplanet.com kicked the ass of the BBC in this infowar for all to see. Yes, this story is over but the war has just begun.
JD
hey nathan Great clip, thanx, that is historic.
Don't know if anyone has said this here but it seems that youtube has freezed the view count to 205,302 for the BBC WTC7 video that was uploaded. However it stilll appears under "most discussed", #1 position. If they have frozen the view count, how long will it take them to stop people from discussing it?
hey guys, here is the show of Alex jones on the battle field of that day he found out about the new WTC7 clip.
http://www.arcfxhost.com/alex-jo...-jones-
wtc7.mov
Did anyone here know that two hours before the 9/11 "attack" occurred, every airport in the United States was shut down. For two hours, no planes left or entered the United States. Except for one: Air Force One, flying the Bin Laden family back to Iraq. PT, don't be close-minded. Of course we haven't seen the videos before now--as stated in the video, they were just uncovered today. The government obviously put a great deal of effort into covering this up. If you had completely read the article, you would know that.
Same Video loaded at Porkolt.com
Hot European Models - Phonecall about sept.11.
http://www.porkolt.com/other/mod...pt11-
18342.html
This guy in youtube.com does a great job talking to the bbc about this story.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-...h?v=-
rgeffNGoBs
Well, here are a couple of my thoughts, for what they're worth.
One, if the clips are genuine, why haven't they been seen before? How come Alex Jones didn't know about them? But if they're forgeries, how come the BBC doesn't refute them by linking to their genuine footage? Losing and/or pulling their archives is like putting a thumb on the "genuine" side of the balance.
Two, why release them now, and who did it? Assuming they're genuine, no ordinary person calling themselves "911patriot" would have sat on them for five years. I would put money on it that they were posted at this time for political reasons by an official of a national security service. I further speculate that it's in the nature of a warning shot, and if that's the case it shouldn't be provable, because sinking the ship would defeat the purpose. The people being warned will take the hint because they know darn well that next time their antagonist might not aim to miss.
/Please DIGG The BBC WTC-7 Collpased Video,
Its the 2nd story down:
http://digg.com/videos/education...l/upcoming/
most
Thanks
Hey folks, how about breaking this whole thing down to simple easy to comprehend facts and decisions.
1.Does anyone with an ounce of sense believe that those buildings that where designed for a lot worse could fall like they did?
Ok now look at all the other stuff
2. Why did none of the other buildings collapse that were nearer; reffering to the WTC7 scenario??
Ok now look a bit further.
3. The fight against terrorism? Why didn't the US government help out with the European uspset Cosovo etc??? Lot's of people were dying there. Oh ! No Oil!!!
Ok
4. Look at the witness footage reports. Most people described noises as explosions.
5. Why is a lot of video footage disappearing?? surely if everything was legitimate there would be no need?
6 Look at the people who where involved in the background and how much money they have made lately?
Need I break it down further? I am by no means a USA hater. However I am concerned at the blindness of so many USA citizens and others to the blinding facts. Conspiracy theories are one thing, take for example the killing of Kennedy. This whole thing has too many coincidences. What to do?? Demand the truth. If we do not, what will happen next? If the people who were involved with this (and I don't know who,but it definitely wasn't some Arabs with turbans who planned all of this)should not be allowed to cause all these deaths to make money. MONEY THAT IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT. Shame the ones who lost loved ones didn't make as much money as some of the others who say lost a building or selling army supplies etc etc?? I/you can sprout as much Sh*t as we want and become defensive in what our opinions are. But if the people of this world do not unite as one and stop all of this. We may not have a society to build such buildings again.
No matter what people say, from cold logic of the evidence, these buildings collapsing the way they did is very suspicious. But take a look at the bigger picture. Someone is responsible for genocide, they are also responsible for hundreds of other lives in another country because of the link to terrorism. Mankind is destined to destroy itself, especially if it is left to those in power who are driven by corruption and money. Wake up and smell the coffee america/the world. Someone is playing us for fools
.Please DIGG The BBC Hoax Video on youtube, Its on this page here:
http://digg.com/videos/education...tional/
upcoming
Thanks..
you cant disprove this with any amount of words
I watched CNN etc that evening at home and seem to remember they showed a building coming down, already presenting it as a controlled explosion because it was too weakened. Perhaps someone else will remember if that was WTC 7. If it was controlled, they knew when and how it would come down. BBC? Done in the studio with old footage. Then they realised their howler and took it off air in the studio. Now they are trying to cover up even more. They would lie readily to defend their put-on integrity.
AMAZING VIDEO!!!!
Sure, evilroy, and there were WMD hidden somewhere, there MUST have been. Right?
It saddens me to see so many people still are so ridiculously naive.
Several other buildings around the towers seemed to be in rougher shape than wtc7 building as they took most of the falling rubble from wtc towers and none of them collapsed. One of them (don't remember which one now) was demolished because it looked like all was left was the structual beams. Now if that one was kept standing through out 9/11 and didnt fall why did wtc7?
How could anyone forsee wtc7 collapsing and not any of the other buildings? Was it just coincidance that reporters focused their attention on wtc7 and not any of the other buildings? Very suspicious IMO
You can stretch your twisted logic any way you want to justify your baseless loathing of anything American, but that doesn't change the facts. The WTC were brought down by airplanes. The airplanes were flown by terrorists. No one in the gov't knew anything about it.
i have contacted many of the major madia outlets here in the Toronto area, many of which have simply told me they will look into it. None have aired the story. I have, however, recieved positive feed back from the Richard Syrett show, on CFRB 1010 AM Toronto, maybe because his show concentrates on conspiracies.
No response from CBC, CityTV, etc...
I was asked by CBC if I have called there before, which I had no, so I'm glad someone is being active.
Nonetheless, this is a disgrace to Canadian Media, which claims to be much more "balanced" and fair in its reporting. I hope it is true, and I hope these people let the news out.
Down BBC, Bush and all liars... 
Wow the BBC has now removed ALL of it's Sept 11 2001 archived footage from the internet. Yesterday, only the clip from 4:56pm to 5:37pm was removed. Fucking losers.
Mark said:
>>>So they used the trick of using footage
>>>already taken and placed it in the
>>>background to make it look like she
>>>was there. They do this trick all the
>>>time dimwits.
So you are saying that our trusted TV channels are always CONSPIRING to deceive their viewers?
Sheesh, shame on you Mark, do you always have to see everything as a conspiracy!
There was a lot of crazy insane reporting that day. At one point several planes in Europe were reported as been taken over by terrorists. Competition to get the latest info and LIVE report from the scene between all the networks was huge and I bet some reporters couldn't get anywhere near the area. So they used the trick of using footage already taken and placed it in the background to make it look like she was there. They do this trick all the time dimwits. Sheesh why is EVERYTHING a conspiracy.
Alex, sorry for the double post, and also my ignorance in questioning your expertise.
Further to the BBC's censorship of this thread:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbfivel...?
thread=3928497
You can see that the thread is being spammed by off-topic comments.
This will allow the BBC to pull the whole thread soon on the grounds of "Chat" and/or "Off Topic", while pretending to be within their own House Rules.
Alex, sorry for the double post, and also my ignorance in questioning your expertise.
Further to the BBC's censorship of this thread:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbfivel...?
thread=3928497
You can see that the thread is being spammed by off-topic comments.
This will allow the BBC to pull the whole thread soon on the grounds of "Chat" and/or "Off Topic", while pretending to be within their own House Rules.
Alex, I'm not sure that you are 100% right about being unable to zoom on a blue screen.
You might be allowing an easy strawman to be set up.
Does noty the technology these days allows blue screening onto sports fields and the perimeter walls of the fields during live action? This is so the (virtual) advertising can be tailored to the target audience for each country.
Regards,
Alex, I'm not sure that you are 100% right about being unable to zoom on a blue screen.
You might be allowing an easy strawman to be set up.
Does noty the technology these days allows blue screening onto sports fields and the perimeter walls of the fields during live action? This is so the (virtual) advertising can be tailored to the target audience for each country.
Regards,
Digg have stopped the story showing up in searches, despite it getting almost 2000 diggs and counting.
http://digg.com/politics/
BBC_Rep..._Before_It_Fell
In response to Nate D a few posts below re: the chroma screen, a comment posted to Digg for the above story says
"NOT A BLUE OR GREEN SCREEN (in response to joeshlub and others...)
I'm a cameraman and editor. I can tell you from my professional expertise - they would not zoom into a blue screen. You would be able to tell. The timing would be almost impossible to replicate. The zoom would have to executed on the reporter's camera and the video being played on the blue screen at the same time in the exact same way. A blue screen is not like you are projecting it on a screen behind the reporter (like a movie theater) and when you zoom in with the camera, you zoom into the image on the blue screen. It is an image that is keyed in afterward. It is completely separate. If they zoomed in on a blue sceen, the background image would actually stay the same, with no zoom, unless the keyed in "blue screen" image was also running a zoomed in image at that exact time. Let me know if that explanation makes sense. I work with blue and green screens, so I know how they work, but it might not be the best explanation. Bottom line is - the zoom proves NO BLUE or GREEN SCREEN.
Also, in the wider shot, you can see a reflection of downtown off of some glass on the right side of the shot. This is after they zoom in, when the reporter steps aside, they cut to the anchor and then cut back out to her. It's pretty clear that she's in a building overlooking the scene."
In response to Anonymous immediately below Nate D, "storey" is the CORRECT spelling for a floor in a building. "Centre" and "center" usage reflect the English and American spellings used by different people typing the story into a live scrolling feed. I worked for the BBC in interactive TV and have seen how this stuff works.
Cheers.
Everytime I say anything about dickheads pulling off the dumbest plan of the century my words are censored...Official 911 story = DUMB
Speaking of the BBC censoring discussion which Hugo mentions below, they have also stopped taking comments on their "Editors Blog" for some time now, despite the comments form being left up, and new submitters informed someone will look at their contribution.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/
theed...#commentsanchor
The BBC is censoring discussion of the BBC World clip:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbfivel...?
thread=3928497
The title and initial posting of the above thread has been censored.
The BBC seem to be preparing to claim that its procedure for archiving might not be applicable for BBCWorld footage:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpoint...skip=33&
show=33
The BBC's standard procedure:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/docs/ hi...verview.htm#top
what's not to buy...?
Forget about the scroll...The reporters verbalize it...
I will believe the whole video is faked to discredit the movement but that hasn't emerged yet...It may...but until then...This confirms that 911 was scripted...
and if it is disinfo and we are falling for it...Then....so what else is new?
However, given what it is and if it is the real thing than it helps the case of controlled demolition.
But fellow Buttheads let me say this, the official story is retarded...retarded on crack...19 dickheads with boxcutters trained in America...Norad was 90 minutes late...
If those who believe this were to pull their heads out of their rumps the pop would be like a deafening sonic boom...
First, I think the problem here is that the reporter is not standing in front of a proper window with that view. She's in front of a high-quality chroma screen that has a continuous image of the burning debris superimposed on the back. You can see this because the bright light on her face (artificial light) does not quite match the shadow and light in the background. Also, the sometimes-seen "reflection" on the left-hand side doesn't quite match the mixture of background and foreground (including her hand movement at about 0:41).
Why would they do something like this? Simple: they likely didn't have the money and/or resources and/or authorization to get someone right in the think of things at that moment but they still want to make it look like they are in the thick of things.
Also, when they zoom in and out, the background (buildings) and the foreground (reporter) do not move in and out at exactly the right proportions.
In regards to the video...I'm not really buying it. I realize that the actual news video itself is in fact real, but I am reluctant to believe that the news feed is. Where it says "TERRORISM ATTACKS IN US." The spelling of "World Trade Center" is not consistent....sometimes you will see it spelled "World Trade Centre" and other times it will be "World Trade Center." Also the word "story" is spelled incorrectly, notice when the feed says, "The 47 storey (sic.) Salomon Brothers building..." Being a widely viewed and very respectable world news corporation, one would assume that the BBC would know how to spell the word "story" and would be consistent in their spelling of "center." This seems like some kind of ploy by a child, or some incredibly unintelligent individual to scare the already paranoid minds of this country even more. I'm not saying that the building wasn't purposely demolished, or that there wasn't some ulterior motive behind it, what I am saying is that there are many more reliable and less inconsistent knowledge on the subject .
You grow a brain...
This news report confirms that building 7 came down under suspicious circumstances. When they announce it ALREADY came down and it hasn't yet 26 minutes early...and the news mannequins are parroting something they obviously are getting as some sort of instruction(orders) and the timing is messed up...What would Sherlock Holmes say? He'd say the demolition was delayed...And the news crew was getting an early start...But guess what else this says...That demolitions which take weeks to put in place were ready to go...It confirms the pull it comment by silverstein...
It shines a light on the "pull it" comment...
Demolitions or no demolitions...Hmmmm....PBS special where landlord says we pulled it...and BBC news report...26 minutes early that says the building came down...
Sorry if'n ya'll will forgive a moron like me fer for offering up a hypotimus...but...
seems to me sumpin' ain't right...
The sad and pathetic truth? Jane Standley didn't know which building she was talking about, or she misread a report or rumour handed her by a producer. Nothing sinister, it was obvious she wasn't talking about the tower behind her, she thought she was talking about a different building. Sheesh guys, grow a brain
this one is going out to all the operators out there. we know your new chorus goes something like this; i was in new york that day and i tell you what it was CRAZY!! this wasn't an inside job just bad reporting thats all. what will you zany bastards think of next?
> how do you know the feed to the report mysteriously died minutes later?
Because he SAYS so. Do you have ears?
Well jeremy, the answer to all your comments is: chaos. The simplest strategy of them all: "If you cannot convince them, confuse them."
YOU have been confused to the degree where you have turned into one of their controlled puppets, you started to believe in the fake truths that have been delivered to you all these years, because your brain says it doesn't like chaos.
What do you have to say about government officials ALL OVER THE PLANET telling us 'they' have weapons of mass destruction, then years later admitting (or trying to admit) they were wrong about 'them'?
According to the likes of you we were 'conspiracy theorists' then, and we are conspiracy theorists now.
Slam dunk my ass.
You're a fool.
I suspect that there were stilll firemen in B7 when it was due for implosion, and that someone with qualms delayed it until they were out.
A point to note. From his email to me, head of news at BBC World, Richard Porter, admitted that they received word "off the wire" about the demise of WTC7. See here:
************************************************** *************************
From: Richard Porter-news [mailto:richard.porter@bbc.co.uk]
Sent: 28 February 2007 18:35
To: Steve
Subject: RE: Here also...
Hi
The more news organisations which said something about WTC7, the more convincing my explanation isn't it? I'm guessing here...but someone at the scene was reporting the imminent collapse of the building - which given the level of damage was hardly surprising - and the media organisations began to report it. It got on to the wires..and we reported it too. That's how it works.
Are you ever in London? Come and see us and I'll show you how our newsrooms operate...
Regards,
Richard
************************************************** *************************
If that's true, consider this:
At approx 4 minutes into the broadcast starting at 16:54 EST (which would put the time at 16:58 approx.), the studio anchorman said:
"We've got some news just coming in, actually, that the Salomon Brothers Building in New York, right in the heart of Manhatten, has ALSO collapsed. This DOES fit in with a warning from the British Foreign Office a couple of hours ago to British citizens that there is a a real risk, uh, let me get the exact words, that the British Foreign Office, the foreign department of the British Government, said there was a strong risk of further atrocities in the United States. And it does seem as if there now is another one with the Salomon Brothers building collapsing. We've got no word yet on casualties, uh, one assumes that the building would have been virtually deserted."
Then at approx. 15:30 into the broadcast (which would put the time at 17:10 approx.) he said:
"Now, more on the latest building collapse in New York, you might have heard a few moments ago, I was talking about the Salomon Brothers Building collapsing. And indeed it has! Apparently that's only a few hundred yards away from where the World Trade Centre Towers were. And it seems that this was not the result of a new attack, it was because the building had been weakened, uh, during this morning attacks. We'll probably find out more about that from our correspondent, Jane Standley. Jane, what can you tell us.."
So, from the time of the studio receiving word that WTC7 had fallen at 16:58 EST, to the next mention of it, 12 minutes passed. And during that time, the BBC did nothing to check the accuracy of the initial report!!! Obviously - because they let a report go out live about something which was as wildly inaccurate as it was possible to be! Almost the opposite was true! (ok, so they weren't actually BUILDING WTC7 at the time...!)
Not only that, and contrary to his earlier assertions that no-one was telling the BBC what to say, effectively Richard Porter is admitting that someone DID tell them (i.e. "the wire")! In which case the BBC should be able to tell us who or what that source was - unless of course they want to be accused of not checking sources and getting back into the whole Andrew Gilligan/Hutton thing all over again!
To anon @ 5:39 Can you not see the garbled images on the screen before it cuts to the news anchor? The image of the reporter on scene was not messed up at all until the very end of this clip, which happened to be around 5:20 when WTC7/Salomon Brothers Building collapsed. They couldn't show the building collapsING after he'd already announced that it had fallen.
how do you know the feed to the report mysteriously died minutes later?
Richard Porter will certainly be submitting his resignation or will be fired before to long.
I think it is now reasonably clear that the WTC7 collapse was due to explosives placed at the Base of the WTC7, the physical and circumstantial evidence now supports this. From this logical conclusion, evidence has to found to qualify the Silverstein quote 'We pulled the Building' and determine which individuals were involved in deciding to commit to this action especially those involved in the command chain as some it would appear are already Presidential Candidates.
Would Silverstein have the authority to 'Pull the Building', surely considering the tenants of the building WTC7 only a Presidential Order would have been required. How, why and when was this decision made, especially the how. Were the charges pre-placed prior to the attack? If not then the only authority to source the explosives would have to have been a military source under a Presidential Order. WTC7 must be at the heart of the conspiracy as this is probably due to the fact that even the best laid plans go wrong and the control of resulting information that is presented to the public breaks down.
A pretty big find.
The answer of having lost the video was a disgrace, but these people are very arrogant, which is why they turned up on alex's show with no answers to any questions, except lies. You should have torn into him more, he was too cheeky.
BBC: The Editor's Blog:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/
theed...#commentsanchor
One of the comments has a link to the BBC's current procedure for archiving of broadcasts:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/docs/
hi...verview.htm#top
BBC 9/11 board links:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbpoint...?
thread=3925840
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbfivel...?
thread=3918233
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbfivel...?
thread=3920498
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbfivel...?
thread=3902310
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/F2...?
thread=3914703
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/F2...?
thread=3902219
Randal, just because you live close by doesn't mean you know anything anyone else doesn't. It doesn't make you any sort of authority. The Beeb are already insisting that they followed nomal procedures on that day - like checking information (remember that people will sue the media at the drop of a hat for misreporting stories) and yet they very obviously didn't.
Randal, grow up and smell your own bullshit! Try to think for yourself, if you're able. "There was a communications blackout" you say - and yet SOMEHOW BBC World News, BBC News 24 and CNN got the message that WTC7 had collapsed - before it had done so. There was no earthly reason for anyone to think WTC7 would collapse, so why would they all report it - unless they were told it had definitely happened?!?!
Get a grip everybody. I was living three blocks away when the Towers came down, and stayed there over that week, volunteering. There was absolute chaos in terms of what was going on, and multiple false rumors reported every day -- remember the one about the guy who supposedly survived in the Tower by rolling up into a ball and bouncing down the stairway as the building collapsed around him? That one took about two weeks to debunk.
There was a communications blackout for most areas around Ground Zero -- most tv station and cell towers for the area were on the Towers, after all, and few buildings in the area had power, let alone hot water -- and aside from eye/skin irritation, the most common presentation to the NYU Downtown ER that week was by firemen and other volunteers who were trampled in stampedes whenever they (erroneously) thought another building was coming down around them.
Point is, lots of errors in reporting happened in the chaos of that week. One happened to be a bit more egregious. Shit happened the way it was reported for the most part, it sucked, get over it.
Newspeople get the bulk of their information from the intelligence services. There's no verification done. If anyone asked for verification, they'd be told it would compromise "methods & sources." You can't blame the talking heads. They just report what they're told. They may not even know their bosses are CIA.
Dalinkou. BBC WORLD, not BBC Yorkshire...!!!
But nice try... 
Someone with a video on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I...h?
v=IfNBFa0tQjE
displayed the website address for WayBackMachine's [www.us.archive.org] archive of the BBC video.
The address was:
http://ia311517.us.archive.org/2.../V-08591-
16.mpg
Which if you type that address in all you see now is:
"Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /2/items/bbc200109111654-1736/V-08591-16.mpg on this server.
Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
Apache/2.0.54 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.0.5-2ubuntu1.4 mod_ssl/2.0.54 OpenSSL/0.9.7g Server at ia311517.us.archive.org Port 80"
When one searches the WayBackMahine manually the only info provided is the following information & not the video:
http://web.archive.org/web/*/htt.../V-08591-
16.mpg
"Robots.txt Query Exclusion.
We're sorry, access to http://ia311517.us.archive.org/2.../V-08591-
16.mpg has been blocked by the site owner via robots.txt.
Read more about robots.txt
See the site's robots.txt file.
Try another request or click here to search for all pages on ia311517.us.archive.org/2/items/bbc200109111654-
1726/V-8591-16.mpg
See the FAQs for more info and help, or contact us."
The website owners robots.txt file is listed as this:
"User-agent: *
Disallow: /"
http://web.archive.org/web/20070....org/
robots.txt
The website goes on to explain that, "If a web site owner ever decides he / she prefers not to have a web crawler visiting his / her files and sets up robots.txt on the site, the Alexa crawlers will stop visiting those files and mark all files previously gathered as unavailable. This means that sometimes, while using the Internet Archive Wayback Machine, you may find a site that is unavailable due to robots.txt or other exclusions. Other exclusions? Yes, sometimes a web site owner will contact us directly and ask us to stop crawling or archiving a site. We comply with these requests."
Wonder why BBC decided to have their archived video & link taken down from here too?
To me this clearly shows that they didn't just lose their video they got rid of it in purpose! And blocked access to the address where the video resided.
I wonder if archive.org would tell someone what the date was that the BBC requested to block links and archives to their stories?
One important point guys........I was in Yorkshire, UK, when all of this happened. The only thing on TV was BBC. This so-called broadcast never happened. :-(
Why is it that we are so consumed with conspiracy theories? Shows like the X-Files are entertaining, but for heaven's sake people, the only thing running more wild than the crazy events in our world is our crazy imaginations that run along behind them.
Little Idea for those who have an hour to waist at night. Sign up for the bigest chat rooms you know with most room choices and start going to every room and just type something like this
-------------------
"Hi"
"Just wanted to tell you guy that 9/11 was an inside job and that you should go check out www.loosechange911.com and www.infowars.com and www.prisonplanet.com"
"ok, bye"
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I've been doing this and been getting people that want to kill me but I will also ran into people that agree with me and already know!
anyways go try it, real interaction real time and you getting the word out
They say things are done for the majority.
Don't believe half of what you see and none of what you hear...
It's like what my painter friend Donald said to me,
'Stick a fork in their ass and turn them over. They're done.'
PapaLaz Bravo Bravo!!!
Also friends, if you can don't stop loading the video to the net, it's working, I'm starting to see dozens of copies of it.
If you loaded one already load another to other sights, the more you load the more this will consume the Internet.
here is a list of web sight that it can be loaded to
www.youtube.com
www.google.com
www.dailymotion.com
www.zippyvideos.com
www.vidilife.com
www.streamdump.com
www.blip.tv
www.clipshack.com
www.veoh.com
www.jumpcut.com
www.ifilm.com
www.myspace.com
here are many many links again for downloading
Infowars links
http://infowars.pp.fi/911/
BBC_WT...ng7Collapse.flv
http://infowars.pp.fi/911/BBC_WT...ED-WTC7-
911.m4v
http://infowars.pp.fi/911/BBC_WT...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
My links
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
WTC7BBC...RLYBROADCAS.mp4
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
BBCrepo...sWTC7fell23.mp4
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
AND EVERYONE READ PapaLaz POST BELOW!
that's what I call response
The Beeb are in denial. The latest email from Richard Porter, head of news at BBC World. The top part is my reply to him...
We know the relevant section was broadcast at 4:57 because the Internet Archive footage was archived with a timestamp on it. That timestamp read
Date: 2001-09-11 20:54:47 UTC
Air Time: 2001-09-11 16:54:47 EDT
Length: 0:41:41
But as I said, the timestamp is irrelevant. Jane Standley is reporting on the demise of a building which is clearly standing behind her!
You ASSUME no-one was telling the BBC what to do. Are all those other programs connected to BBC World News? Are all the news departments one? Because if not then the answer is obvious; the other departments weren't given the same press release. And once again, NO-ONE is suggesting the BBC was manipulating information. What people ARE suggesting, based on the evidence of our own eyes, is that the BBC was reporting on the collapse of a building NO-ONE COULD HAVE KNOWN WAS GOING TO COLLAPSE (in effect, an act of God) BEFORE IT HAPPENED! Not only that, but the BBC explains WHY it happened - something even the official report has failed so far to do - and yet the BBC managed to hit the nail on the head before the building even fell!! How is THAT possible? The ONLY way it is possible is if SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE was telling the BBC what to say. Otherwise, how can you explain the fact that the BBC was OBVIOUSLY (go watch the footage!!) reporting on something that hadn't happened???
And I haven't "convinced myself" - the BBC's broadcasted footage has convinced me!! If you haven't seen the footage as you claim, how can you possibly be so sure that it is I (and half the world by now!) that is wrong??? Watch the footage, then try telling me that there is no case to answer! How can it possibly be that the BBC is able to report on something before it happens, in the middle of a surprise attack, UNLESS there was prior knowledge SOMEWHERE? It is not about me convincing myself, Richard, it is about the facts not adding up logically. No-one knew that WTC7 was going to fall that day - and yet the BBC somehow did, and reported on it before it happened. Rather than telling me I've convinced myself of something that hasn't happened, why don't you try looking at the facts and explain THEM???
Kind regards...
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From: Richard Porter-news [mailto:richard.porter@bbc.co.uk]
Sent: 28 February 2007 07:49
To: Steve
Subject:
I misunderstood. I thought you were sending me a link to a source for the entire footage of BBC World that day, and not just the bit you are referring to. (And by the way, how do you know the relevant section was broadcast at 4.57? I only have the word of the website for it...do you know anything more?)
Also, I'm sure there will be more comments on the Editor's Blog when the Blog team get into work this morning. The reason no more appeared last night is because they go home in the evenings...
Nobody was telling the BBC what to do. You ignored my questions about all the other programmes...but it's just ludicrous to suggest we were conspiring in some attempt to manipulate information (and without any apparent motive). There may be questions to ask about 9/11, but to suggest the BBC did anything other than report the event is ridiculous. But since you've already convinced yourself otherwise, I don't suppose there's any point in further trying to convince you.
Regards,
Richard
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From: Steve
Sent: 28 February 2007 06:37
To: Richard Porter-news
Subject: Here also...
Another source for the video. They just won't go away!!!
http://rattube.com/blog1/2007/02...-jumps-the-gun/
Digg top story here:
http://digg.com/world_news/upcoming/most
Linking to Jonesreport.com about the bbc,digg!!
Help US seed this historical record on bitorrent. If you have segments missing from these 2 partial sets then please start a torrent.
For research and Fair Act purposes.
We have to preserve the historical record. Archive.org (NSF operation) bailed on US. The 9/11 historical record supercedes ANY copyright, and obviously all of this stuff isn’t even available for purchase as the BBC has proven today on 2-27-07. There were many other raw newscasts buried in that “Petacluster” that are now all removed. These video files are the choicest quality possible.
>This collection:
http://conspiracycentral.net:
696...a393c73d211a7fb
CBS
9/11: 2:04-2:46PM
NBC:
9/12: 10:09-10:51PM, 11:33PM-12:14
BBC:
9/13: 2:09-2:51PM, 4:09-4:51 AND the BBC Wtc7 file
>The main collection (someone else's effort)[40GB]:
http://conspiracycentral.net:
696...56b3534711447a1
ABC7 Washington D.C.
9-11 - 8:51-11:18am, 3:28-4:51pm, 5:33-6:14pm, 8:20-9:01pm
9-12 - 11:33-12:14am
9-13 - 12:56-1:38am, 9:47-10:29pm
BBC
9-11 - 9:16am-12:44pm
CBS9 Washington D.C.
9-11 - 8:52-11:59am, 4:09-5:33pm, 6:14-6:56pm
CNN
9-11 - 9:29am-12:58pm
FOX5 Washington D.C.
9-11 - 8:52-11:59am, 4:51-5:33pm
NBC4 Washington D.C.
9-11 - 8:51-11:17am, 11:59-2:04pm, 4:51-5:33pm, 6:14-6:56pm
>Also get the ABC 5+ straight hours torrentS w/ timestamp:
http://conspiracycentral.net:
696...4642eca6100380c
http://conspiracycentral.net:
696...62beffc332fc3e7 (part 7)
>BBC WTC7 Footage TORRENTS [1GB]:
http://conspiracycentral.net:
696...d934b003c3af795
http://conspiracycentral.net:
696...6750801d3455184
http://conspiracycentral.net:
696...de848d073037f0a
I say that one of the goals of the 9/11 Movement should be to push for a Congressional Act that forces the free public viewing of virtually all known raw 9/11 footage. They can do it off their websites and Google Video. Maybe even throw them a couple million if they have big archives like the news outfits and cameraplanet. Considering this years $530Billion “defense” budget, I’d say “We”(our taxation without representation) can afford to purchase all known footage to put it up on the tax-payer funded archive.org.
Out-fucking-standing, IgnoranceIsBliss! Soon as you got that torrent ready, post the link, I've been looking for the full 1GB version for a while!
Ok I made a new version of my little film about this i narrated and added some stuff about the attempted cover up of the video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...h?
v=5eUD93vVcQk
tell me what you think
wmv of it is here
http://abuise-of-power.org/BBCWTC7.wmv
Larry Silverstein admitted he was involved, now the BBC as a corporation has admitted prior knowledge. Time to try the BBC as an individual and put it out of business for good. 1 less mouthpiece for the criminals to spew their hatred from. These bastards are gonna fry.
Good find Nathan.
Saved it.
I got the full 1GB version in time. Have a torrent coming...
here's a video explaination of the reflection ... really easy i know but some people just have to see it for themselves... and yes you are right STANG it is the part of city behind Jane to her left.
See it in action here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O...h?
v=OlLkTMnLuJg
I find it curious why so many people have a hard time believing that a journalist employed by the BRITISH Broadcasting Corporation (who has spent more time in Africa than anywhere else) might not have been able to point out that WTC7 was standing directly behind her.
Considering the confusion and chaos of that day, the apparant lack of communications at almost all levels, deliberate misinformation (if one chooses to believe in it or not), cover up, conspiracy, etc...it's amazing she was able to stick to her script. In fact, I would bet good money that most of you would still not be able to point out the building to this very day had it not been "pulled" on 911.
As far as the mirror effect on the left hand side of the screen is concerned: yes the smoke moves from left to right as a very intelligent and sharp-eyed reader noted earlier (as if none of us chimps can distinguish our left from our right) and the window/door/mirror on Jane Standley's right (left side of the video) is at a 90 degree angle to the background. Thus, the smoke in the background WOULD reflect in the opposite direction exactly as it does in the window/door/mirror. To the talented guy who unsuccessfully attempted this trick with (not one but two) mirrors and some smoke: try it again but this time just use one mirror...and a cigarette rather than a joint.
duh diff times in diff countries
i have the explaination for the reflection, i'll post it here as soon as i'm done with a few graphics to illustrate it...stay tuned
Vote on this blog entry:
http://www.webcameron.org.uk/blo...re-it-
collapsed
and force David Cameron (leader of the Opposition in UK) to at least comment on it...!!
This link is to the page archive.org used to have a streaming version of the video in question is
http://www.archive.org/details/b...0109111654-
1736
it gives a error at first hit refresh a few times and you will see it says
"News from BBC TV was recorded by the Television Archive, a non-profit archive. Video available as a loan (stream) only."
but the video links on the left have been removed
i was able to download the mpeg2 sorce file that was submited to archive.org buy television archive before they blocked access to the directories containing them i converted the 1024mb mpeg2 to a 140mb wmv
http://sharedzilla.com/en/get?id=76496
also i am almost done with the second version of my little film anot it ill post it in a few
IgnoranceIsntBliss,
the links are blocked sad to say
If anyone finds archive links download it first then tell about the links, because these people that are closing these links are most likely watching this forum. If anyone downloads it you can contact me and I will host it or someone will.
also, add me if you want to join powers
this is my email and IM
MSN IM arcfx.nate@gmail.com
She didn't know, its obvious. But it's also true she followed a script, also CNN did.
"4. For many there was a question as to what the reflective panel along the left side of the screen was. One analyst looked at the smoke pattern reflected in the panel and tried to replicate the reverse image with mirrors and couldn't..."
I too looked at that, not that carefuly mind you and was somewhat puzzled but if that was the case which I thought it might have been a fake but the BBC reporter "Richard Porter" didn't come out and state it was a fake right off the start which he would have done so if it was. By stating the original was missing basically says it all. Easiest way for them to debunk this footage was by stating it was a fraud instead back peddling and finger pointing at the public being bunch of "conspiracy theorists"
As for the video otherwise what strikes me is that Jane Standley turns to the view of the city and talks about wtc7 having collapsed and yet it's right there standing behind her. Didn't she notice it? Didn't she know what building she was referring to? Possibly she was just repeating or reading a script without knowing what building she was talking about - doesn't make her look very bright now does it
1. What’s the story behind these archives? And how were they even found??? From everything I could see, it didn’t even make sense. But my senses tell me that these were obviously downloaded from somewhere else during a “robot” “crawl”. WE NEED TO PRESURE ARCHIVE TO LEARN WHERE THE FILES CAME FROM. They were clearly recent, and if they came straight from BBC it proves they lied.
2. We need to complete a set of the different news bits they had in there. Those were prime material and it’s for the historical record (see my comment below). I doubt that many of us were able to get all the different videos from one single location.
I only got to 9 of 24.Please contact me if you have any of the following files (unless they’re not 9/11 material):
V08554-28.mpg
V08556-08.mpg
V08556-32.mpg
V08597-01.mpg
V08576-25.mpg
V08597-10.mpg
V08591-16.mpg
V08566-20.mpg
V08571-04.mpg
cnn200100110027-0109 - V08536-20.mpg
abc200109122128-2209/
cnn200100110027-0109/
cnn200100120005-0047/
cnn200100120210-0252/
cnn200109110929-1011/
cnn200109130147-0229/
cnn200109120333-0415/
1. What’s the story behind these archives? And how were they even found??? From everything I could see, it didn’t even make sense. But my senses tell me that these were obviously downloaded from somewhere else during a “robot” “crawl”. WE NEED TO PRESURE ARCHIVE TO LEARN WHERE THE FILES CAME FROM. They were clearly recent, and if they came straight from BBC it proves they lied.
2. We need to complete a set of the different news bits they had in there. Those were prime material and it’s for the historical record (see my comment below). I doubt that many of us were able to get all the different videos from one single location.
Please contact me if you have any of the following files (unless they’re not 9/11 material):
V08554-28.mpg
V08556-08.mpg
V08556-32.mpg
V08597-01.mpg
V08576-25.mpg
V08597-10.mpg
V08591-16.mpg
V08566-20.mpg
V08571-04.mpg
cnn200100110027-0109 - V08536-20.mpg
abc200109122128-2209/
cnn200100110027-0109/
cnn200100120005-0047/
cnn200100120210-0252/
cnn200109110929-1011/
cnn200109130147-0229/
cnn200109120333-0415/
i think you guys are nuts! it's the news! they probably got reports the building was in danger of going down, but somebody got the story wrong. happens everyday.
URGENT:
We have to preserve the historical record. Archive.org (NSF operation) bailed on US. The 9/11 historical record supercedes ANY patent, and obviously all of this stuff isn’t even available for purchase as the BBC has proven today. There were many other raw newscasts buried in that “Petacluster” that are now all removed.
I say that one of the goals of the 9/11 Movement should be to push for a Congressional Act that forces the free public viewing of virtually all known raw 9/11 footage. They can do it off their websites and Google Video. Maybe even throw them a couple million if they have big archives like the news outfits and cameraplanet. Considering this years $530Billion “defense” budget, I’d say “We”(our taxation without representation) can afford to purchase all known footage to put it up on the tax-payer funded archive.org.
Here are the file and folder names that I was able to find, which are important for documenting the times of the newscasts (because of the folder names):
abc200109110912-0954
V08546-09.mpg 01-Sep-2006 02:58 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/2...4/V08546-
09.mpg
abc200109131245-1327
V08597-01.mpg 31-Aug-2006 08:58 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/2...7/V08597-
01.mpg
abc200100111036-1118
V08546-17.mpg 31-Aug-2006 23:35 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/0...8/V08546-
17.mpg
abc200109112306-2348
V08576-25.mpg 30-Aug-2006 23:33 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/0...8/V08576-
25.mpg
abc200109102042-2124
V08540-01.mpg 31-Aug-2006 03:48 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/3...4/V08540-
01.mpg
abc200109122128-2209/ 15-Nov-2006 22:28
-àCOULDN’T ACCESS IN TIME
bbc200109111654-1736
V08591-16.mpg 01-Sep-2006 08:11 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/2...6/V08591-
16.mpg
bbc200100111121-1202
V08515-16.mpg 01-Sep-2006 06:37 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/0...2/V08515-
16.mpg
bbc200109130831-0912
V08566-20.mpg 31-Aug-2006 15:17 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/0...2/V08566-
20.mpg
bbc200109131609-1651 98%
V08571-32.mpg 31-Aug-2006 18:10 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/0...1/V08571-
32.mpg
bbc200109111408-1449
V08515-32.mpg 01-Sep-2006 00:43 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/1...9/V08515-
32.mpg
bbc200109131117-1159
V08571-04.mpg 30-Aug-2006 19:42 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/3...9/V08571-
04.mpg
cbs200109111404-1446
V08553-03.mpg 31-Aug-2006 13:29 1.0G
http://ia311515.us.archive.org/0...6/V08553-
03.mpg
cnn200100110027-0109
V08536-20.mpg 01-Sep-2006 01:49 1.0G
http://ia311515.us.archive.org/0...9/V08536-
20.mpg
COULDN’T ACCESS IN TIME:
cnn200100110027-0109/ 15-Nov-2006 21:08 -
cnn200100120005-0047/ 14-Nov-2006 23:29 -
cnn200100120210-0252/ 15-Nov-2006 01:42 -
cnn200109110929-1011/ 14-Nov-2006 22:36 -
cnn200109120333-0415/ 15-Nov-2006 23:40 -
cnn200109130147-0229/ 14-Nov-2006 22:46 -
fox5200109130056-0138
V08554-28.mpg 01-Sep-2006 07:13 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/2...8/V08554-
28.mpg
fox5200109110339-0421
V08556-08.mpg 01-Sep-2006 06:04 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/2...1/V08556-
08.mpg
fox5200100110339-0421
V08556-08.mpg 01-Sep-2006 06:04 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/0...1/V08556-
08.mpg
fox5200100110749-0831
V08556-32.mpg 01-Sep-2006 02:08 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/3...1/V08556-
32.mpg
nbc200109122209-2251
V08554-10.mpg 31-Aug-2006 23:45 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/2...1/V08554-
10.mpg
nbc200109111036-1117
V08546-14.mpg 31-Aug-2006 23:17 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/1...7/V08546-
14.mpg
nbc200109122333-0014
V08554-18.mpg 31-Aug-2006 23:16 1.0G
http://ia311516.us.archive.org/3...4/V08554-
18.mpg
nbc200109131450-1532
V08597-10.mpg 30-Aug-2006 12:23 1.0G
http://ia311515.us.archive.org/0...2/V08597-
10.mpg
3/27/07 3:37 Reading these posts has been very exciting, analogous to being on the lines in a fire fight. A constant barrage of incoming, an unprecedented viral explosion of interest, anticipation of the smoking gun, concern about the fog of misinformation, major ongoing censorship as we speak, madness and crazies among us who are unable to deal with reality, forensic analysts trying to ascertain reality. Hopefully this will prove to be a major piece of the case we are assembling, as if we don't already have enough evidence.
I want to pull together some of the best of the nearly 400 comments on this thread to perhaps save someone else time, although others should sift as well because I have left out some worthwhile remarks and detail.
I want to start by commenting on the discussion that too many insiders would have had to have known and that it would be impossible for them not to tell. Lots of money and the threat of death are powerful incentives to keeping quiet. Who knows how many insiders who knew too much have already been permanently silenced? On another level there is an arrogance among those in high places who believe certain information is too dangerous for the public at large to know, in other words, that the patriotic thing to do is remain silent. And then there are those whose role was so small that, although they may have their suspicions, they don't feel they have enough of importance to tell, even if there were somebody safe, trustworthy and significant to tell. Someone made the point that of course anyone working for covert or "black" ops would be carefully screened, pointing out that even DMV applicants are screened. Plausible deniability is built into any covert op if it wants to remain covert and was clearly designed into this from the beginning. Bush/ Cheney refusing to testify alone and under oath. The mission of the Commission not including any analysis of "who done it"? And Bush within a week cautioning Americans to avoid "crazy conspiracy theories" and that "if you're not with us you're against us." The completely practical effort of the Navy in WW2 to keep sailing schedules secret promulgated the warning "Loose lips sink ships" and the entire military worked on secrecy. The secrecy of the Manhattan project was mentioned. Finally, I realized just recently that the title of the movie All the President's Men was chosen to describe all of the men who purposefully lied in defense of Nixon's criminal deceit.
There are good comments warning that we must be cautious in jumping to the conclusion that the video is real and it is surprising that BBC wouldn't have removed such footage from their archive once they realized the reporting was incorrect. It seems they would have suspected the importance of such an inconsistency, the idea that they would be so prescient, reporting facts that hadn't yet happened. Apparently CNN reported at 4:10 EST that Bldg. 7 had either collapsed or was about to. Along with all the other US networks, their archives have been pulled, a circumstance which is in and of itself questionable. One friend points out that whether this news story is truth or myth, it is very powerful and will exist in the "fact or fiction" category forever. Perhaps someone can answer, if it is fiction, who benefits and why? Many commentors suspect that Youtube, Google, liveleak, digg, and PBS are complicit for feverishly working to keep this story out of circulation....Clearly these organizations will have to answer for their actions but a part of me wants to believe that they recognize the power of this story and want to confirm it is not a hoax before going viral with it. That would clearly be a responsible act in my mind. Then again I don't know who in corpus of corporate personhood is truly responsible and I hate to envision plausible deniability doing its misinformation mischief. A part of me wants to be the "Unreasonable Man" that is the impetus for change.
Finally, there is a wealth of thoughtful forensics discussed in the comments.
1. A close observer of detail suggests someone apply technological wizardry to read the time on the news anchor's watch to establish the time of the report. Actually there is a great opportunity in several frames if anyone can do so.
2. There was a lot of discussion on whether or not the background is a scene dubbed onto a bluescreen, such as this one: "... 4th. there are no blue screen aliasing effects that are common with real time composite shots. 5th. she actually turns and looks towards the scene and the camera ZOOMS in. This is a complete giveaway that there is in fact NO composite shots and that it is indeed real (ie optical). Therefore this shot is definitely not studio or greenscreen but in fact a reporter standing in front of a window showing the destruction at the WTC." posted by Richard at 4:39 on 2/26/07....
3.The need to personally interview the reporter was expressed and someone stated that as best as they could discover Jane Standley, a long time BBC reporter, is currently in Africa.
4. For many there was a question as to what the reflective panel along the left side of the screen was. One analyst looked at the smoke pattern reflected in the panel and tried to replicate the reverse image with mirrors and couldn't, therefore concluding that the BBC clip was a fraud. I think he is wrong....I do not think that reflection has anything to do with the Towers. To me it is clearly reflecting something off to the west. The building represented in the reflection is nowhere to be seen in the image behind the reporter. The smoke seen in the reflection must be coming from something else. It still remains to identify the building which is reflected. Perhaps the "war on terabytes" poster, who analyzed the building the reporter was interviewed in and who affirmed the time of day from the azimuth date and angle of the sun, can discover what the reflected building is and whether or not the smoke going one way or another in the reflection is significant.
So they corrupted your file? Bastards. Hey Google/Yahoo heres an idea! Corrupt files instead of removing them.
Lucky me Spinner, they haven't hit my server yet... and I hope they don't :P
PLUGING LINKS!!!
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
WTC7BBC...RLYBROADCAS.mp4
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
BBCrepo...sWTC7fell23.mp4
We posted the FLV version. Four hours later the file had been totally corupted along with several other files in our download folder. Since we have dailup due to no highspeed in our location (woods swamp area). We now have hours of work to fix the problems. I am really mad about that and am reuploading the FLV version as we speak. I contacted my Host and gave them the skinny on the situation. Any way check our main news page at http//:www.kosmosltd.net/index2.htm for breaking news on this and many other stories. As for who is behind all this madness check out our huge link archive at: http://www.kosmosltd.net/Beast.htm The more they mess with me the madder I get and the more hours I spend fighting them since 1999 we have been fighting this madness.
I know I ain't too bright and all...But this proves nothing more than Britains are a alien hybrid of extra terrestrial life and Average bloke...who can see 23 minutes into the future...
Nathan Fluet,
Good to know another Nathan that's fighting back,
Cheers
damn delete my last post its screwed up
google also pulled the short film i put up of it but dont worry its at all these places to :P
http://www.veoh.com/videos/ v2708...v270855yZnCeSWr
http://www.jumpcut.com/view? id=F...CF6000423CF0184
http://www.clipshack.com/ Clip.as...8AF26E23E06C98C
http://blip.tv/file/157816/
http://www.streamdump.com/
videos...videos...ay.php? h=2fb8bd
http://www.vidilife.com/index.cf...EDF-7&
action=12
http://www.zippyvideos.com/27828...709246/bbcoops/
http://www.dailymotion.com/BadCa...adCa...e/video/
2213973
Source WMV for re uploading
http://abuse-of-power.org/BBCOOPS.wmv
FULL UNEDITED SOURCE 140MB WMV
this is the missing video from archive.org
converted from its MPEG2 source
http://sharedzilla.com/en/get?id=76496
spread these links
ut.com/view?id=FF533E3CC66B11DB9CF6000423CF0184
http://www.clipshack.com/
Clip.as...8AF26E23E06C98C
http://blip.tv/file/157816/
http://www.streamdump.com/videos...ay.php?
h=2fb8bd
http://www.vidilife.com/index.cf...EDF-7&
action=12
http://www.zippyvideos.com/27828...709246/bbcoops/
http://www.dailymotion.com/BadCa...e/video/
2213973
Source WMV for re uploading
http://abuse-of-power.org/BBCOOPS.wmv
FULL UNEDITED SOURCE 140MB WMV
this is the missing video from archive.org
converted from its MPEG2 source
http://sharedzilla.com/en/get?id=76496
spread these links
John Doraemi, GREAT letter! I've found another link on the BBC website for posting complaints:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
...nt_step1n.shtml
debunking911.com has gave their explanation.
http://debunking911.com/pull.htm#Reporter
It's on the bottom of the page. It's pretty pathetic, mostly going the way of the "game of telephone" excuse.
They also think the the truth movement is trying to "quite the media" by attacking the BBC because of the hit piece.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N...h?
v=NqqhX8gkhE0
this googlevid has 322 views..... and the counter is locked.
why?
hmm!!
I added few links to earlier posted http://faturl.com/bbc7 so you can use this uncensored service to forward multiple links or add more relevant links.
Seems CNN did the same mistake. There are 2 new links about CNN reporting collapse before it happened.
Google already censored 2 fresh links. They censored like 20 links or more. Freedom of speech? It's nothing more than BBC news item and they need to censor it? Haha.
BBC are with holding my comments so I'll post it here at least
--------------------------
Dear BBC
This must be embarrassing for you BBC. How about you guys come up with more excuses for your criminal activities.
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PLUGING CLIPS AGAIN!
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
WTC7BBC...RLYBROADCAS.mp4
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
BBCrepo...sWTC7fell23.mp4
Contact BBC World here:
http://www.bbcworld.com/Pages/
Co...epartments.aspx
Dear BBC,
The head of your division, Richard Porter has just given the world a disgraceful response to a matter of enormous importance and seriousness.
The fact that your New York reporter said that the Salomon Brothers Building (WTC7) had collapsed a full 20 minutes before it had, with accompanying graphic, should be cause for a thorough investigation of how that information came to be in the heads of your personnel. This investigation does not appear to be in evidence. No serious effort, apart from allegedly asking the reporter to recall, seems to have taken place.
Next, in the realm of absurdity beyond belief, your department head claims that the BBC has LOST the tapes of September 11th coverage!
This might seem more plausible if the BBC hadn't been pressuring Google Video to remove the clip all day yesterday. No. This seems like a flat out lie designed to cover up your original "cock up" whereby you told the world that a building had collapsed even though it remains 'in the shot' behind your reporter's head. That particular "cock up" actually has evidence to back it up, unlike the claim by Richard Porter that this particular bit of footage has mysteriously disappeared, with no back up copy available.
What utter nonsense.
IMPORTANT QUESTIONS:
1) Is it BBC policy to keep only 1 copy of your reports?
2) What sort of backup regime do you employ?
3) What OTHER tapes from September 11th 2001 New York are allegedly missing as of today?
4) Where are the reporter's notes and scripts from that report? What other data exists that bears upon the report that the Salomon Brothers Building (WTC 7) had collapsed as of 5:00pm on 9/11?
5) What data exists regarding your New York reporter's live feed dropping off 5 minutes before the ACTUAL collapse of the WTC 7 building?
In closing, independent investigators haven't accused the BBC of participating in a "conspiracy" as your irresponsible head, Porter, misrepresents. We have focused on the evidence broadcast as a possible indication that there existed a conspiracy to deliberately demolish building WTC 7, and other buildings, and that a "cock up" revealed prior knowledge by some parties of this building's demolition.
If Richard Porter cannot differentiate between factual claims and persecution, then he probably is not qualified to run an important news organization like the BBC. His reliance on an anonymous sarcastic remark from Youtube as a source in this matter is shocking and revealing of bias and a pathetic resorting to non-factual arguments.
If BBC employs an Ombudsman or Inspector General, please forward this matter to them immediately for a fair and honest look at what really happened, devoid of "the dog ate my videotape" excuses, and infantile sarcasm.
John Doraemi publishes Crimes of the State Blog
http://crimesofthestate.blogspot.com/
Follow the MONEY. Silverstein was facing astronomical asbestos compliance costs for his buildings. Can you even imagine what it would have costed him to remove all the asbestos from those 2 buildings? Remember, each steel beam had been liberally coated in the stuff. Another reason the low temps of the jet fuel could never penetrate and weaken the structure.
Geez... I.. I Can't believe what I'm seeing Here.
You Know, You Know... some bad guys from Washington, I mean Afgahnistan, no I mean Iraq.. No no, I really mean Iran, Hurt us bad that Day... and you all think I knew about it... darn that hurts...
Nice try BBC. Thats a pathetic excuse. PLEASE EXCUSE US. WE MADE A MISTAKE. You're darn right you did. You made several. One being underestimating ALEX. PAUL,STEVE,THE LOOSECHANGE GUYS and a whole host of others in this movement for truth. So now you will have to refile your CONSPIRACY FILES video in the FICTION DEPARTMENT. After all, you are wrong and we are right. PLus, why should anyone believe what you ahve to say as the truth anymore? You have even admiitted, in you r pathetic response to this WTC7 video, that you made mistakes that day. THAT DAY? TRY EVERY DAY YOU"VE BEEN TELLING STORIES OPPOSED TO US SINCE 9-11!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I sent the BBC editor here http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/
theed...conspiracy.html
the link to the archived file after he claimed it was lost. That comment was not posted, although my other comment was. Now the file has been pulled.
Draw your own conclusions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/
theed...conspiracy.html
Check this out! One of bbc's editors have decided to answer our questions though what he's implying is as you can clearly see bullshit.
Is it merely coincidence that the stock market fell to it's lowest point since Sept 17th, 2001 today? No, I didn't think so...
This is a real "Smoking Gun" too
Why did the Secret Service let Bush stay at Booker Elementary School?
Hijacked aircraft were wandering across the eastern half of the country. In theory no-one could have known how many planes had been hijacked. Two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center, Bush was at a publicised photo opportunity at Booker Elementary School, and there is an airport only four miles from this School.
The Sarasota Herald Tribune announced Bush's visit to Booker Elementary on September 8th, giving the 9-11 planners three days to include Bush as a target for a diving jetliner. Nobody could have safely assumed he was not a target.
The Booker Elementary video shows the Secret Service did not rush in to remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack with many unknowns. They don't do anything else.
HOW DID THEY KNOW? He wasn't in danger???
> WTC 7 has always been the "smoking gun." It takes a lot longer than one afternoon to set demolition charges for a modern skyscraper.
I don't believe any of these conspiracy theories, but didn't Building 7 house a CIA branch office and some other military office? It doesn't seem beyond the bounds of possibility that demolition charges had been laid years ago, perhaps thirty or more, to allow rapid demolition in the event of a Soviet invasion by sea. On that assumption, perhaps in the heat of the moment someone decided to start a self-destruct sequence (or maybe some ground tremor or physical disturbance did without human intervention). Highly unlikely I agree, but who knows? And if something like that did happen, I dare say the US Government wouldn't be too eager to publicise it.
I don't understand how anyone can be that stupid, I just read the editors letter at the BBC.
WOW, It's an Error on our part Mate! Did nobody at BBC know that the building they were in front of was building 7? Pure stupidity!
News = FACTS? Hardly !!
posted back on the BBC article, nice try BBC
This has been picked up by the BBC on its "The Editors" page -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/
AND IT IS A LAME WHITE WASH A 2 YEAR OLD COULD SEE THROUGH! WAHT A JOKE!
thx for the link Stewart... i am in the middle of uploading another copy of the video to google, and then i'm going to go upload it over on the divx site as well, and maybe even on yahoo video...
over on keepvid.com, there is a list of all the sites keepvid can save from... i think we should upload the video to all those sites as well...
This has been picked up by the BBC on its "The Editors" page -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/
Home Depot is having a sale on Rope.
Revolution is the Solution
I have discovered how to tell when Bush "The Decider" is lying.
His lips move.
Google is now logging me out when I try to load a video... time to sign up for a new account to load it.
PLUG MY LINKS AGAIN
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
WTC7BBC...RLYBROADCAS.mp4
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
BBCrepo...sWTC7fell23.mp4
Another Clip this time CNN
just incase it hasn't been posted yet...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N...h?
v=N1LetB0z8_o
Sorry about the mispelling.
That was alot to write and my eyes were going.
To answer folks who don"t understand how mainstream media can be controlled an comlicit with putting forth gov't policy:
Joseph Paul Goebbels (Nazi Propaganda Minister):
"During a war, news shoud be given out for instruction rather than information"
"The war made possible for us the solution of a whole series of problems that could never have been solved in normal times"
"Not every item of the news should be published. Rather must those who control news policies endeavor to make every item of the news serve a certain purpose"
"it is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formulation of the public opinion"
WAKE UP!
I found this article(Jane Standely in New York. Transcript. Sept 26, 2001):
http:/news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/forum/
1564775.stm
Here's a part of it:
NEWSHOST:
Fawad, Pakistan asks: What is wrong with the Taleban asking for proof of guilt before they hand over Bin Laden?
Jane Standley:
You can say that there is nothing wrong with that of course. That would be a view with many, many people across parts pf the world. It is certainly not here in America, WHICH HAS BEEN SWEPT IN LARGE PARTS BY THIS JINGOISTIC, VERY MILITARISTIC APPROACH THAT IT'S DEFINITELY OSAMA BIN LADEN.
PEOPLE ARE BELIEVING PRESIDENT BUSH ACTUALLY IN A WAY THAT CERTAINLY SOME PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE FOLLOWED HIM BEFORE THIS ATTACK-People, say, who didn't vote for him. But that doesn't seem to matter to Americans-Osama bin laden, HE IS DEFINITELY THE CANDIDATE.
Seems like I have heard this before Jane:
Here;s what this guy had to say:
Herman Goering (Nazi Germany Commander:
"Why of course, the people don't want war. Why should some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally the common people don't wan't war neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that mattter in Germany. That is understood. BUT, AFTER ALL, IT IS THE LEADERS OF THE COUNTRY WHO DETERMINE THE POLICY AND IT IS ALWAYS A SIMPLE MATTER TO DRAG THE PEOPLE ALONG, WHETHER IT IS A DEMOCRACY, OR A FASCIST DICTATORSHIP, OR A PARLIAMENT, OR A COMMUNIST DICTATORIST. VOICE OR NO VOICE, THE PEOPLE CAN ALWAYS BE BROUGHT TO THE BIDDING OF THE LEADERS. THAT IS EASY. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, AND DENOUNCE THE PEACEMAKERS FOR THEIR LACK OF PATRIOTISM AND EXPOSING THE COUNTRY TO DANGER. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY"
I will be posting Goebbel's quotes next
Good morning Guys, ok
I now have the the first cut with no web logos on it,
here is the link, and keep uploading the video,
Cheers
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
WTC7BBC...RLYBROADCAS.mp4
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
BBCrepo...sWTC7fell23.mp4
Good morning Guys, ok
I now have the the first cut with no web logos on it,
here is the link, and keep uploading the video,
Cheers
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
WTC7BBC...RLYBROADCAS.mp4
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
BBCrepo...sWTC7fell23.mp4
Ponder on this, put aside any petty differences you may have - and act.
frank v | 02.26.07 - 10:02 pm | #
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Frank, go to the head of the class!!
Using 'Planet Visibilty' from Acyclone Software to determine the location of the sun on 9-11-01 and Google Earth to determine, by visually comparing Google Earth 3D imagery to stills from the BBC report, I have determined, with a reasonable level of accuracy, the following:
The reporter was likely on the 18th Floor of the Soho Grand Hotel, 6th Avenue and Grand Street (40° 43' 17" N --74° 00' 20" W), approximately 4100 feet from WTC7, with the camera trained to the South-Southwest,an azimuth of approximately 190°. At 17:00 local time (5:00PM), on September 11, 2001, the sun was 13.1° above the horizon at an azimuth of 265°, or 5° South off of due West. Sunset on that day was just after 6:08 PM, with the sun at a 276° azimuth and 0.3° above the horizon. From the angle of the light and shadows in the video, it would appear that the BBC reporter was indeed reporting about the collapse of WTC7 very near 5 PM EST BEFORE it happened.
DIGG "TERRORSTORM" and"BBC ON WTC VIDEO YOUTUBE"
http://digg.com/videos/upcoming/most
WTC 7 has always been the "smoking gun." It takes a lot longer than one afternoon to set demolition charges for a modern skyscraper.
Also, WTC2 (south tower) was hit at 9:02:59 am, collapsed at 9:59 am (56 minutes later). WTC1 (north tower) was hit at 8:46:30 am, collapsed at 10:28 am (102 minutes later).
Reason dictates that the north tower should have collapsed first.
The south tower was imploded by controlled demolition first, because the fires were nearly extinguished. Had the perpetrators waited any longer, there would have been no plausible cover story, of the structure failing due to heat.
Zionism/ Jewishness / Division
Celtic Canine, Mark C, Anonymous, Tim M, ...... ..........and now myself.........beau,
'ALL' drawn into discussing something THAT'S NOT RELEVENT........or useful......BUT a DISTRACTION......
My advice........
'STAY FOCUSED', become ' BETTER INFORMED'
.....we've ALL been decieved and continue to be so......AND IT AIN'T NICE !!
..... so lets ALL start to sober up for 'THE FIGHT'
instead of brawling amongst ourselves......
O.K. .........LETS GIVE YOU SOME INFO;
http://www.wintersonnenwende.com...es/
jdecwar.html
.......this is a link to a 'pdf' entitled;
The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany -
The Economic Boycott of 1933 ,
an article by M.Raphael Johnson PhD., assistant editor of the Barnes Review - jan/feb 2001
.......the article will probably go a long way to explaining some of the reasons / misconceptions / difficulties......for people.....
THAT SEEM TO RE-OCCUR...... AND MANIFEST THEMSELVES ON COMMENT PAGES......
MUST SEE:
Another Smoking Gun? Now CNN Jumps the Gun: On 911 CNN Announced WTC 7 "Has Either Collapsed or is Collapsing" Over an Hour Before it Fell
http://digg.com/politics/
On_911_...ng_Still_Stands
http://www.informationliberation...ex.php?
id=20521
Can anyone give me the prisonplanet link for the whole video. I downloaded their file last night, but only got 1:23 minutes. That was sufficient to capture the story but I understand the video is fro 6-7 minutes long.
.Digg Terrorstorm and BBC HOAX:
http://digg.com/videos/upcoming/most
There on that page, Please DIGG THEM
LMAO@TIM
I'm so tired. The only thing I wanna Digg right now is a grave for Dick Cheney, Goerge Bush and the Illuminati.
'DIGG IT VIA POLITICS ON DIGG AND NOT FROM PRISONPLANET LINKS, IT COUNTS MORE!!!
http://digg.com/politics/upcoming/most
Maybe we should e-mail the video to our Congress members. They probably have software that would block it. If they don't, maybe someone (besides Ron Paul and a few others) would look at it. If not, at least we would be letting them know, WE KNOW! If this sounds like a good idea, I will try to obtain e-mail information for the Congress. I think we should include that in a posted video as a link. This way, viewers can send it directly to Congress after watching it. I think this idea should first be discussed with Alex or Paul. I'm floating the idea and we'll go from there.
Wow sorry for this piss poor spelling in that last post ...I got a little excited! LOL
Tim
I have no hard numbers or evidence that states either way the number of Jews practicing Zionism.
However the there is an awful lot of "smoke " surrounding Israel and it's peoples.
Oh sure you have a handful of "Jews against Zionism" running around Israel as "token " opposition.
But it's my belief that Zionism is mostly Jewish in nature.
But ask yourself "What does it matter?"
What matters is the Liberty of humanity which is always at risk.
Were the Romans Zionists?
Where the Spaniards Zionists?
Who knows...but the one thing they all had in common were there "mechanisms for control"
That is where this thing needs to be attacked !
Dismantle the UN
Dismantle the Federal Reserve
Dismantle Public Schools
Dismantle Dismantle Dismantle ....start over!!
.DIGG IT VIA POLITICS ON DIGG AND NOT FROM PRISONPLANET LINKS, IT COUNTS MORE!!!
http://digg.com/politics/upcoming/most
For me, I know that when I say Zionism, I mean Zionism, not judaism. That said, I have no idea if all practicing jews are Zionists.
..HOMEPAGE OF DIGG.COM IS PRISONPLANET
DIGG IT UP. DIGG IT
Anonymous.
Please don't call me dude and tell me to come back for an educated post, in capital letters to pronounce your superiority, unless you're going to, at the very least , leave a name with your post.
Even if you have to leave a phony one!!
I know of the Jewish history which you speak and I have read limited amounts of the Talmud.
I understand what Yom Kippur is.
I also grew up in a predominantly Jewish community and find them to be , as a group, a disproportionately loathesome bunch.
For this reason I actually believe that Zionism may be largely Jewish.
I may not have made my point clear and for that I apologize.
I only want one thing here ...Truth and a solution.
My ego doesn't get a boost from being right all the time as right pertains to my debating skills.
My ego comes from staying the hell out of your way and letting you live your life the way you choose.It also gets an enormous boost seeing my kids get up out of their own beds, alive , healthy , generally well fed and warm.
Having said that I believe that the best way to ward off "evil" folks (whoever they are) is to take away mechanisms where they have the ability to impose their "evil" plots.
That's it in a nutshell.
Please DIGG The top Story here:
http://digg.com/news/upcoming/most
We started a New one, The other one was buried.
Playin' The Media
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Hey, your not supposed to play by " their " rules!
"They" may not like you.
I just got out of bed after being on this for 12 1/2 hours yesterday and this morning. I wnet to youtube and google and its everywhere. I'm not tech savy guy and wouldn't know how to post it there if I tried. To all those who did, and all those doing other things in this effort, I just want to thank you. I felt very moved to say this. Listen, you guys are true Americans (Stop a second and just say it in your heads and let it sink in). You love this country so much that you are willing to stand up and do something against this terrible injustice. Think about it. Prior to the American Revolution, we were a colony. A large populated one during those days. A few (remember this)...a very few people actually staked all they had and took a stand to expose the injustices done by a tyranical gov't. Many more were complacent. Some were not convinced that the gov't was that bad that you would call it a tyranny under King George. Those early patriots. Those early folks, who thought outside of the box and were willing to make a stand, were our founding fathers and patriot brothers from so long ago. Gentlemen and women, you have that American blood and spirit in you. This may all sound tripe but realize you are fighting, in your own ways, this battle against tyranny of our times. Be proud of that and don't worry about the "colonists" who won't be part of it in one way or the other. You will be remembered looking backwards in time to this period in our history. Sorry about the theatrical babbling. Sometimes things need to be said, or done, and the hell with the rest.
mike
hah, I'm loading the videos under different names like "puppies" "cat" "cute girl" have fun finding these google and youtube
Nathan Evans | 02.27.07 - 6:01 am | #
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Use more relevant terms like;
Exclusive Anna Nicole Smith Video
Exclusive Britney Spears Video
James Cameron Jesus Tomb Video
Helen Mirren meets the Queen video
Cool Paris Hilton Video
Exclusive Behind The Scenes Kiefer Sutherland 24 Video
An Inconvenient Truth Al Gore Video
And any other search terms that links to whatever's currently 'HOT" in the mass media. That's how you play the mass media and the censors at Google, Youtube, Digg, etc.
Ah, whilst I do not revel in people and their errors, this is one of the most entertaining scenarios yet.
Mark my words, though. There will be an official excuse, and people will believe it.
We've gotten to a point in history where if a government body clearly promotes one thing, but it's actions contradict it, the people will believe the words rather than that before their very eyes.
A building is demolished in broad day-light. . . .
Govt: "It was not demolished. It was due to fire".
People *viewing the demolition on tape*: "It was not demolished. It was due to fire".
Govt *holding up four fingers*: "I am holding up five fingers".
People: "You are holding up five fingers".
It's already Orwellian.
http://digg.com/news/upcoming/most
craig hill | 02.27.07 - 9:35 am | #
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Take the BLUE PILL craig, it's gonna be OK man.
We started a NEW One on Digg:
http://digg.com/world_news/upcoming/most
DIgg the TOP One there
All other ones were buried,.
Hey Philcozz.
Checked out that longer clip - certainly alot clearer. I still have some questions about the time it was broadcast (I do think it's important to get accurate timing), and other things. As I don't have the info to hand, I'll do some research and see where that leaves me. Very interesting to say the least.
The lead in the story was buried, or not even noted: This doesn't prove Bush, Cheney and their fellow-travelers in treason pulled 9/11, we know that from an encyclopedia of other facts regarding 9/11. Rather, this, and its google coverup and other such deletions by the wealthy and therefore information-poor media, proves without doubt for anyone with an open mind, or a mind per se, that corporate media was in on it from the start and that the monolithic protection of the facts from the public continues to this moment, except for the cracks in the edifice that reveal the evidence itself of that media coverup.
That someone handed the BBC reporter the script, so to speak, and she got the timing wrong, is evident. That she was in the swim of following a script is indication that as the day went on the media were being brought up to speed so they would jibe with the official Washington lies designed to both steer and keep a lid on the story. The BBC's obeisance to the perpetrators is indicative of the uniformity of easily-controlled concentrated corporate media cohesion with the attacks.
Hopefully this also puts the lie to the superstition that the BBC is trustworthy, honest and unaffected by government pressure. It is like its American couterparts both private and "public" (PBS/NPR/Amy Goodman) in lockstep in forestalling awareness of that which will bring them down, like a skyscraper in its own footprint, along with the perps they protect, which is why they continue to cover up long after many tens of millions here and equal sums abroad have awakened to the baldfaced nudity of our self-anointed emperor class, which includes Congress, the Pentagon and superficial media everywhere.
That we know this and they cannot keep the lid on also is evident. They are all desperate to go down fighting---us. Their problem is that they can't put 300 million people in a concentration camp. Their weakness is our stength: Information. As we spread it and anger multiplies, the atrophying of their defensive ability to stop the rising tide which will swamp them grows. Wedded perhaps inextricably to their lies, they are doomed not to see their own personal credibility crumble into the debris of its own self-implosion, unless they individually wake up to that fact, fess up on the tube, acknowledge the treason and beg forgiveness for the cowardly delay in their heroism.
We started a NEW One on Digg:
http://digg.com/world_news/upcoming/most
DIgg the TOP One there
All other ones were buried,.
Glenna: The initial attacks on the Towers happened in the morning, ~9am NY time. WTC7 did not fall until 5:20pm NY time. This report appears to be live from NYC just after 5pm (10pm in England). The anchor first reports that WTC7 has collapsed at around 4:57pm NY time, roughly 23 minutes before it actually did. Hope that makes sense.
Glenna: The initial attacks on the Towers happened in the morning, ~9am NY time. WTC7 did not fall until 5:20pm NY time. This report appears to be live from NYC just after 5pm (10pm in England). The anchor first reports that WTC7 has collapsed at around 4:57pm NY time, roughly 23 minutes before it actually did. Hope that makes sense.
en you say "Zionist" you are ultimately saying "Jews"...
Mark C | 02.27.07 - 9:05 am | #
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WRONG ANSWER dude!!!!
When are you people going to do your homework???
Zionist, DOES NOT MEAN JEW!!!
There are a lot of Zionist that are not Jewish.
And the Ashkenazi Jews are not true Jews.
These are the Zionist.
These people are the descendants of the Mongols that converted to Judaism.
There were NO white people in the Middle East 2000 years ago.
Go study your history man, then come back for an EDUCATED post, PLEASE!
The old was was Buried, We started a New one.
Please DIGG top story about the WTC-7 BBC Hoax:
http://digg.com/world_news/upcoming/most
I am confused about the 4:45 - 5:00 pm thing. This happened in the morning didn't it? I am totally lost here. I believe it was an inside job, but I don't see how this says anything as it happened in the morning not in the evening.
The are absolutely saying WT7 had fallen.
But you can see the building behind her.
Perhaps the Zionist had planned for 7 to collapse earlier and didn't inform their news branches to hold the story a little longer.
More and more lies are coming out.
Now we have them on OKC.
I was in OKC the morning of the Federal Building Bombing. I heard the blasts there. My whole crew heard this. Multiple rumbles.
The destruction downtown was BIG.
The speedometer repair building was moved completely off it's foundation. Windows out of multiple buildings, just like N.Y.
It was a huge blast.
Digg Story was Buried..
We Started a NEW ONE:
http://digg.com/world_news/upcoming/most
PLease Digg the top story there about the bbc hoax
Ok Zionist bashers. I have to add my 2 cents.
I could be wrong but ....
When you say "Zionist" you are ultimately saying "Jews"...
Here's my probelm with the "Jews" did it.
The "Jews" are a relatively small tribe on a grand scale.
If this was some sort of Jewish conspiracy against the whole of humanity wouldn't the numbers be against them and therefore impossible to overcome?
I'm not saying there are not evil people conspiring against humanity, however I don't think it's any one race of peoples ...just one big f**ing group of evil bastards of all races, color and creed.
Stop focusing on the "who" and let's just focus on cutting off mechanisms of control that would be potentially used by "evil" peoples such as the Federal Reserve etc...
If we do that ...it won't matter who the hell is evil because they will have no way to give birth to their evil plots .
Well just watch. If this story has it's legs carry it into the mainstream ...I wouldn't be at all surprised if these bastards blow something up.
Mark C | 02.27.07 - 8:56 am | #
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Yah, well, Cheney is now saying that Al-CIA-da is "reforming" in Pakistan. We all know what that means.
Its funny to hear the government apologists try and explain this one.
Well just watch. If this story has it's legs carry it into the mainstream ...I wouldn't be at all surprised if these bastards blow something up.
Nope she does say the Marriot Hotel as a seperate entity. So they did mean WTC 7..... Fuck this is soooo wrong. http://www.visualvendetta.com for this clip and more.
Zionist controlled media just doing their job....lying to humanity ....
Please DIGG Here. All the stories were buried, We started a new one:
Go here: http://digg.com/world_news/upcoming/most
Look for the Prisonplanet article (1st or 2nd down) and digg there,
Thanks
Something
Man this is one crazy story. I do have questions on it though. Was it a mistake? Did Jane (the reporter) meant to say the Marriot Hotel and not WTC7? Still it only proves that the news has flaws. That it is not as accurate as it claims.. Heck Just look at how they report weather.
Check out my website for this clip. Trust me it won't go down. I own the site and it's bandwidth. Enjoy.
http://www.visualvendetta.com
This page is the complete list of origianl video from BBC from Sept.11 that had been archived. Notice that the only section not available is the 40 or so minutes that this story is about. Bastards.
http://www.archive.org/search.ph...1%20BBC%
20video
http://faturl.com/bbc7 -- i added multiple links to best videos and news story, so it's all sorted more or less. You can add more links to it. WTF is wrong with digg anyway? Why censor?
All stories were Buried, Please DIGG This new one:
http://digg.com/world_news/
BBC_R...efore_It_Fell_5
Thanks, I was the one who wrote the article on digg. I wrote this one: http://infowars.net/articles/feb.../
200207Digg.htm
Well Watson Made a few minor changes.
No.
Steve | Homepage | 02.27.07 - 7:31 am | #
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Oh well, you care like you are. : )
Paul, the first Digg version of this article has actually been deleted, one with a 1000 diggs that made it to the front pages that a Prison Planet reader started before you guys did. It got sent out over Digg's RSS feeder at 18:37 yesterday and if I click on it in my feeder it says now that it can't be found and my comments are not on the one with 1000 Diggs now.
No.
Hey Steve, are you THE Steve Watson?
Nice analysis WoT.
The reporter was most likely on the 18th Floor of the Soho Grand Hotel, approximately 4100 feet from WTC7, with the camera trained to the South-Southwest,an azimuth of approximately 190°. At 17:00 local time (5:00PM), on September 11, 2001, the sun was 13.1° above the horizon at an azimuth of 265°, or 5° South off of due West. Sunset on that day was just after 6:08 PM, with the sun at a 276° azimuth and 0.3° above the horizon. From the angle of the light and shadows in the video, it would appear that the BBC reporter was indeed reporting about the collapse of WTC7 very near 5 PM EST BEFORE it happened.
The reporters name is Jane Standley.She has been with the BBC for years Alex should get a hold of her and put her on his show to clear matters up.
Those DIGG Stories Were all Buried, We started New Ones Here..Please digg these ones:
http://digg.com/world_news/
BBC_R...efore_It_Fell_5
http://digg.com/videos/
education...d_Before_it_Did
The digg story is buried however they still exist, which means regular digg users cannot see the article in the popular or the digg search (unless they tick "include buried stories"). Digg should have a means of "re-digging" buried articles if they become more popular, as it must had been buried before it got 500 diggs, it now has more than 1000.
Oops, I just found the 2nd version of this article on Digg, the one with >1000 diggs and 500 comments at this time. It's hasn't been deleted yet like the first one was. Ok, everyone..... Diggity Diggity Digg Digg Duh Digg Diggity Digg. : )
http://digg.com/politics/
BBC_Rep..._Before_It_Fell
PLEASE DIGG THESE 2 STORIES HERE:
BBC PRISONPLANET ARTICLE:
http://digg.com/world_news/
BBC_R...efore_It_Fell_5
VIDEO ON YOUTUBE:
http://digg.com/videos/
education...d_Before_it_Did
I hope you can all see from the censorship and hostile opposition from zombies that this is truly a battle of good vs. evil. It gets more obvious with every passing day.
Bingo Mark: Yeah, you have to try and find a version that has the transition between the hours, showing the "show reset" graphics. Now, does that PROVE that it was 10pm England time? No... But as I say, based on that and based on what the anchor says it's a pretty strong inference. Of course, as others say it may not matter too much about the time, considering the building they're talking about is standing behind the reporter in a live shot. The first reference to it falling (at least on the tape I have) comes 23 minutes before it collapsed (again based on the assumption that the show open occurred at or near 10pm).
I've had a lot of problems downloading the original unedited BBC footage from the net with Internet Explorer and Firefox. I'm downloading with Opera now and it's going well.
http://ia311517.us.archive.org/2...6/V08591-
16.mpg
http://video.google.com/videopla...duration%
3Along
still works here! u can d/load it too!!!!
Time is irrelevant. Problem is they reported WTC7 collapsed BEFORE IT COLLAPSED.
Shame on Google, Yahoo and Digg for censoring video links. Shame on 'flat-earth' people trying to debunk this.
Sorry, Phillcozz, I just watched the youtube embedded one on this page - didn't realise there was another one showing more detail. I'll try and get this other one and have a look.
Cheers for the heads up
Bingo Mark: At 7:30 minutes into the video (the one that has the added graphics pointing to the building) BBC switches from its coverage by running the “top of the hour” graphics in order to “restart” their coverage. Having worked in broadcast news for 7 years from 1993 to 2000 (Chicago and Los Angeles), I have very good reason to believe that the "show reset" occurred at (or very near) the top of the hour. At 17:31 into the tape the anchor (as you say) says, “It’s now, what some 8 hours since the attacks?" Eight hours from 9am is 5pm. You say this isn't strong enough for you... Fine. To me it seems perfectly reasonable to assume the anchor knows the time and knows what he meant when he said "8 hours." Based on that information, I would assert that the hypothesis that the tape occurred at 5pm NY time is much more likely to be correct than one that claims it occurred at some different time.
A third attempt at putting the Prison Planet article on Digg. Please digg this guys.
http://digg.com/world_news/
BBC_R...efore_It_Fell_2
DIGG IT HERE
http://digg.com/world_news/
BBC_R...efore_It_Fell_5
SPREAD THE WORD
Guys, the third (or so) Digg article on this story. The others have been deleted.
http://www.digg.com/world_news/
O...ng_Still_Stands
ok, good night
one last plug of the videos
INFOWARS VERSION
http://infowars.pp.fi/911/
BBC_WT...ng7Collapse.flv
http://infowars.pp.fi/911/BBC_WT...ED-WTC7-
911.m4v
http://infowars.pp.fi/911/BBC_WT...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
OTHER VERSION
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
911_7_b...no_collapse.mp4
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
9117bui...gnocollapse.wmv
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
theyre censoring google. it is so obvious. Digg also has to get rid of their bury button. The whole point in digg is that it is meant to be in some way democratic in its structure!
www.sanityforsale.wordpress.com
The second copy of this story that got deleted from Digg had over 1000 diggs and over 500 comments!!!
Philcozz, I disagree. I think that therre ambiguity there. I'm not sure how you got that it was top of the hour, or moments after it. I can't see (although I am admittedly a bit dim) any indication that it's just gone 5pm.
I think it is also important to note that the anchor says "It's now, what, some 8 hours after the attacks...". He is not giving a definate time elapsed since the start of the first attack, he is being fairly vague, and to say that it is 8 have passed exactly would be - I feel - unfair on him.
Wow, the second prisonplanet article on this story with over a 1000 diggs just got deleted from Digg. Pffffffffffffffff.
hah, I'm loading the videos under different names like "puppies" "cat" "cute girl" have fun finding these google and youtube
Bingo Mark: At the top of the hour (or moments after that) the anchor says that it's now 8 hours after planes attacked NY at 9am. That means the broadcast was occurring at 5pm NY time, or 10pm England time. The reporter verifies that. I don't see how there's much ambiguity there.
*CP should be CT
Oh, and would a UK based organisation note the EST time of broadcast instead of GMT if they did use such a system to save archives?
"The fact that the BBC reported on the collapse of Building 7 over twenty minutes in advance of its implosion obviously provokes a myriad of questions as to how they knew it was about to come down..."
The *fact*? What fact? It was said in the paragraph above that there is no timestamp, and your going by your sources' claims. Who is your source? Does he/she work for the BBC? How does he/she know what time the report was given if there is no timecode? Was this direct from the BBC archives, or recorded onto TiVo or something? And anyone who thinks they can get a timecode from a filename... that's not evidence, that's assumption. File names can't be renamed? You think the BBC, with so much data going in and out on a number of channels would name their files with such a simple system?
It's a delicous irony that every CP who accuses me of being a sheep, closing my eyes and refusing to see the truth because some shadowy govenment has brainwashed me don't critically analyse so-called evidence that is prestented to them if it's from Alex Jones. That, in my book, makes you just as bad as the unenlightened masses you snobbly brush off as idiots.
If you want to get to the real issue, here it is: Alex Jones has a lob on for the BBC because they didn't put out a programme that showed him in the best possible light. His ego has taken a knock, and now he's bitching about it.
If the BBC is such a tightly controlled govenment tool (and we are talking about the same organisation that broke the whole Dossier-is-a-load-of-shit story), then why would you believe anything it says? Your happy to quote from it when the facts suit you, but ignore all other evidence when it doesn't it in. If the BBC is such a unreliable source of informtion, then don't use anything is broadcasts/publishes. At all.
I think it's amazing that google and youtube have the bare faced cheek to delete these videos.
Goes to show you really can't trust the mainstream media.
Thanks to Alex and everyone on PP for their hard work and research!
Nice, my last post got deleted here becasue it said what AJ says on air, the Rothschilds are going to jail...shame on the screener!
Thanks Cred, I was starting to wonder how my server is with all these downloads
I think the last time I checked I got over 3000 hits on my server for the video
im a idiot those url's are jacked
try
http://video.google.com/
videopla...660649180677572
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7...h?
v=7NefExHDu3s
thats better
Well so far they havent deleted the video i put up on google
http://video.google.com/ videopla...660649180677572
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7...h? v=7NefExHDu3s
and again the full 1024 MB source video converted to a 140 MB WMV
http://sharedzilla.com/en/get?id=76496
I dont think the last one will ever get deleted :P
http://infowars.pp.fi/911/
BBC_WT...ng7Collapse.flv
http://infowars.pp.fi/911/BBC_WT...ED-WTC7-
911.m4v
http://infowars.pp.fi/911/BBC_WT...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
http://infowars.pp.fi/911/
BBC_WT...g7_still_up.avi
Asher,
go back to your mindless Television & get brain washed... wait, you already did that. You're typing off subject with petty insults. Watch "Terror Storm" or the other Docs and fight back for your freedom, I hope you understand one day actually
Cheers
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
911_7_b...no_collapse.mp4
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
9117bui...gnocollapse.wmv
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
Here's the Digg link again. The article is NOT accessible from Digg's search feature, nor does it appear in the "most popular" ranking despite having some 995 (and counting) diggs.
Posted 16MB wmv and screenshots of Google pulling the video to Usenet, alt.binaries.conspiracy, alt.binaries.documentaries, alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries and alt.binaries.tv .
BIG THANKS to Nathan Evans! You are the man!
I posted this comment on digg and figured id post it here too:
Below is the source url for this video clip.
http://ia311517.us.archive.org/2...6/V08591-
16.mpg
let me break down this url for the retards that say there is no proof of the time.
this is the important part
bbc200109111654-1736
lets break this down
bbc | 2001 | 09 | 11 | 1654 | - | 1736
duh | year | month | day | start time 4:54 | to | end time 5:36
seeing as 6 minutes into the clip it is obviously the beginning of the BBC world news show it is safe to say that 6 minutes into this clip is the start of the hour, at which time the male anchor states the salomen building (wtc7) has just fallen.
The corespondent states its been some 8 hours since the attack and uses 9 am as the time of the attacks, 8 hours from 9am is 5pm, the building actually collapsed at 5:20 pm.
The building that is to the right of and mostly obscured by her head is the building that is supposedly already collapsed.
Watch this clip from cbs news http://
www.whatreallyhappened.co...nocked.down.wmv
of the collapse of the building you can even see the structure to the right of the building that is in the BBC video, and the top of the building is unmistakable.
The salomen building/WTC 7 is definitely still standing in the BBC LIVE report, even though they are reporting it fell at the top of the hour.
The feed is slowly lost 20 minutes into the clip making it 14 minutes into the hour, seeing as the building was still visible at this time it is safe to say that this was at 5:14 when the feed cut out and the building obviously visible in the background had not yet in fact collapsed.
Nathan Evans: I am definitely amused at the thought of someone who uses the phrase "most craziest" making fun of anyone else's English.
Of course, that comment is of the usual quality coming from readers of this ridiculous site.
Still pulling them? OMG that's pathetic! I am disgusted by Google censorship, i will cancel my gmail. Ruck them all. I am not wondering about Digg morons but Google, lol, poor sellouts.
OMG OMG, they are still pulling the videos from Google Video, this is one of the most craziest events in a long time. I have been on this since it was broadcasted about on the air and it's still going. But we are still going!
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
911_7_b...no_collapse.mp4
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
9117bui...gnocollapse.wmv
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
Bryan set this up earlier. PLease go to the MSNBC message boards and make a comment. You can use your hotmail account to login.
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboard...am=HIPDelay%
3d1
Judith felt sorry for Jane the reporter for messing up by saying the building has fallen when she probably meant to say it might fall.
Poor Jane, wow you actually have her name in the comment. You actually know her name, you must really care about her.
Let's everyone say "Poor Jane!"
"Poor Jane!!"
"Poor Jane!!!"
"Poor Jane!!!"
"POOR JANE!!!!"
There, now everyone act like you didn't see this video because POOR JANE don't talk English to good. God!!! people have excuses for every problem.
spread the videos!!!
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
911_7_b...no_collapse.mp4
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
9117bui...gnocollapse.wmv
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
http://video.google.com/videopla...duration%
3Along
is the new google vid location as of 0112
Pacific gmt-8
You ever notice that some of these comments look like robots typed it, like for instance "Judith's comment"
Read what she types out load and tell me if you don't sound brain washed
Calling Bush an Asshole is wrong.
An Asshole serves a useful purpose.
FumbDuck | 02.27.07 - 12:39 am | #
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WHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH :D
nice try Judith, the clips were pulled all over the net.
What I find equally amazing about this video starts at 1:57 seconds (before Jane Stanley comes on) where the BBC anchor is talking in studio with Daniel Plesch, a terrorism expert, and basically Daniel Plesch says that it's very possible that this was State Sponsored Terror and not Bin Laden. He then says that it was unlikely that Timothy McVey would blow up the OKC building, but that in the end it was found to be him, implying that he was working for the US government in a State Sponsored Terror bombing when he did it. In the end it was him and not islamic fundamentalists. So we should consider here that it's not islamic fundamentalists either. Amazing. He nailed it from the start. And then the BBC anchor steered him back to Bin Laden as the guilty party. Oh well, Mr. Plesch, you tried.
Poor Jane probably only made a grammatical error:
Present Tense: The building is collapsing.
Future Tense: The building will collapse.
Conditional 1: The building might collapse.
Who can blame her - she was in the middle of a fatal inferno of death and panic.
Poor Jane probably only made a grammatical error:
Present Tense: The building is collapsing.
Future Tense: The building will collapse.
Conditional 1: The building might collapse.
Who can blame her - she was in the middle of a fatal inferno of death and panic.
Dear man in the radiatior,
"They'll say they received a report that WTC-7 had been weakened"
============================
The only thing weakened here is the official story....besides, Silversteen or is it SilverSTAIN ?Anyway, Silvergold fumbled the football years ago......
.....The man in the radiatior, you're so right but the official investigation is in your face wrong.......so, who's gonna care in a hundred years, right ? Wrong !!
.....because we care now is why the 911 investigation can't turn out like the JFK Warren Commission did.
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RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT '08
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I was one block away from the WTC when the planes hit. I can tell you that from that moment forward there were so many pieces of misinformation. Several buildings were reported down when I could clearly see that they were standing. Just bad journalism.
EP | 02.26.07 - 4:53 pm | #
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So it's just bad journalism to report that a building, um, just happens to be number 7, had collapsed. Not on fire. Collapsed. Are you f*cking nuts!!! That doesn't happen by unconfirmed misinformation to report that a building has collapsed. They had their script. They f**ked up by reporting it too early, nutball. All you CIA freaks preface everything by saying that you were there.
I was one block away from the WTC when the planes hit. I can tell you that from that moment forward there were so many pieces of misinformation. Several buildings were reported down when I could clearly see that they were standing. Just bad journalism.
EP | 02.26.07 - 4:53 pm | #
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So it's just bad journalism to report that a building, um, just happens to be number 7, had collapsed. Not on fire. Collapsed. Are you f*cking nuts!!! That doesn't happen by unconfirmed misinformation to report that a building has collapsed. They had their script. They f**ked up by reporting it too early, nutball. All you CIA freaks preface everything by saying that you were there.
The split on the left is a reflection, you'll see smoke. It's amazing, more and more leaks out everyday. Looks like the real deal.
The story has been pulled by DIGG.com from the "Most Popular" section with nearly 1000 diggs. The video has been pulled from Google and YouTube.
The deliberate cover-up of this story should be tomorrows top story.
Tim M, thanks, haha
you cant stop the truth
I tried downloading the original internet archive version twice but the download ends just before the part where Jane Stanley comes on. : (
New Google video version
http://video.google.com/
videopla...525551648735936
Call Jane Stanley, ask her what happen that day!
(Sorry to shout but this is important)
IF ANYONE HAS ACCESS TO THE ORIGINAL REEL - GENERALLY ALL FOOTAGE USED FOR BROADCAST HAS THE TIMECODE EMBEDDED IN THE VERTICAL BLANKING INTERVAL (that black bar that rolls by vertically when the vertical hold is set wrong). THERE"S ROOM FOR LOTS OF DATA IN THE OFFSCREEN PORTION OF THE IMAGE. PRECISE TIME IS THERE ON SOMEBODY"S REEL.
Yah the original google video disappeared, but the new one is up and running.
http://video.google.ca/
videoplay...=building+7+bbc
Fight Ugly,
Thanks for proving Jane Stanley's existence.
Now is when the Star Wars final battle music plays. It is time to gird up, grab our sabers and battle this Sith evil which has taken over the Senate!!!!
This story from PrisonPlanet actually made it to the top stories and was sent to my RSS feed of Digg at 18:37 EST. But they removed it after. Bastards.
Regardless of the time clock...
1. The BBC are reporting a third building collapse, complete with 47 stories ID subtext following at the bottom of the screen.
2. When WTC7 eventually does fall, BBC Jane and her LIVE background disappears!
1 + 2 = Rothschilds and their Zionist Whitehouse slugs like Rove and Chertoff, are going to the gallows!
This might be a silly question but is it possible to zoom in on the man watch to see what time it says it is? I noticed he lifts his left arm a couple of times during the tape and his watch is clearly visable.
http://boards.msn.com/MSNBCboard...am=HIPDelay%
3d1
I put this up on the MSNBC message boards..spread the word!!!
beau...Was that English? What the fuck are you on about?
You people are rather....facile.
called ABC and passed the info, going to call my Buddy Al Roker tomorrow and pass this this info to him; yes the weather guy. Might destroy my relationship with him, but I'll take that risk.
Now to call NBC, CBS, etc
On this page:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...ast/
3190309.stm
watch video of another Jane Standley report:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/
vide...standley_vi.ram
She exisits! (For the Naysayers, SWOLLOW a TON of TRUTH Today?)
On this page:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/progr...ast/
3190309.stm
watch video of another Jane Standley report:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/
vide...standley_vi.ram
She exisits! (For the Naysayers, SWOLLOW a TON of TRUTH Today?)
Well, I just got back from fighting the 'InfoBattle' on Digg.
I should have just stayed here.
Digg, like Google, YouTube and the rest of them are all full of censorship, and spooks trying to kill and discredit this story.
At the time of this writing, the Digg article should be listed in their "Top 24 hours" in it's genre -- But it's not.
If I was going to be ignored or ridiculed, I'd rather have just done it here at "home" on Alex's site.
Why did the Secret Service let Bush stay at Booker Elementary School?
Hijacked aircraft were wandering across the eastern half of the country. In theory no-one could have known how many planes had been hijacked. Two planes had crashed into the World Trade Center, Bush was at a publicised photo opportunity at Booker Elementary School, and there is an airport only four miles from this School.
The Sarasota Herald Tribune announced Bush's visit to Booker Elementary on September 8th, giving the 9-11 planners three days to include Bush as a target for a diving jetliner. Nobody could have safely assumed he was not a target.
The Booker Elementary video shows the Secret Service did not rush in to remove the President to a secure location, or at least to the safety of the armored Presidential Limousine. That's their job. That's what they do in the case of a real surprise attack with many unknowns. They don't do anything else.
HOW DID YHEY KNOW? He wasn't in danger???
Jane Stanley reported a boxing match in June 2001 listen here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/...ing/
1379421.stm
I guess I better start putting my last name since there is two now
PLUG!!!!
Quick Version with no web logos or text...
http://www.arcfxhost.com/BBC-BUS...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
http://abuse-of-power.org/BBC-BU...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
http://www.prisonplanet.com/vide...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
FULL version...
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
911_7_b...no_collapse.mp4
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
9117bui...gnocollapse.wmv
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
well .. the BBC heard from me again ...
I love this soap box.. too bad the internet will be taken from us soon, along with our freedons !!!
Its still on google vid as of 10 30 pacific
http://video.google.com/
videopla...525551648735936
Here I put together this video of it that falls under fair use laws so lets see how long it lasts
http://video.google.com/
videopla...660649180677572
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7...h?
v=7NefExHDu3s
and here is a WMV of it
http://abuse-of-power.org/BBCOOPS.wmv
The next step? Get Active! Example: http://ut-pnac.blogspot.com/ or thousands of others like http://rattube.com/blog1/2007/02...-jumps-the-gun/
or http://www.911blogger.com who found and posted the original video. Many hands make light work! Get active! We have been active at http://www.kosmosltd.net/index2.htm from January 1999 until the present.
Why No Norad On 911?
At best, the top US generals tasked with defending the skies above America failed miserably on September 11, 2001. Dereliction of duty, resulting in the death of even one person, is a serious court martial offense. At worst, US Generals Myers, Arnold, Eberhart and Weaver, among many others, were guilty of something far greater. NORAD and the Pentagon chiefs not only failed, but apparently intended to fail, to protect the skies above America, resulting in the deaths of nearly 3,000 citizens.
As everyone knows by now, the four jumbo jets were "allegedly" hijacked. I use the word allegedly because not one of the eight Boeing pilots and co-pilots pushed a four digit code to alert air traffic controllers their planes were being hijacked.
In the nearly 40 minutes between the second WTC tower being struck and the Pentagon being hit, not one USAF fighter plane circled Washington DC. NOT ONE. Andrews Air Force base is about 10-12 air miles from the US capitol by air, less than 90 seconds by fighter jet. NORAD, at that time, was nowhere to be seen.
If BBC reporter "Jane Stanley" can be proven to exist of have existed during this Broadcast, we'll have an indisputable smoking gun and an ability to put at least the BBC into some deep doodoo
"This PrisonPlanet made it to the front page of DIGG at 18:37 EST and was cecnsored from the site shortly after."
PLEASE stop supporting Digg assholes.
The New York skyline in the background is LIVE video - watch at 6:03 (in the YouTube countdown timer) the video camera ZOOMS in to get a tighter shot and is PERFECTLY matched to the window frame zooming and general camera movements. It's live ladies and gentlemen.
'Oh my God! The BBC was behind 9/11!' - Asher
Well that may be a rather 'dramatical' and un-BBC way of stating it.......
but then, who gives a monkey ?......YES...Asher...
But ONLY in a..... well-meaning 'CORPORATE AUNT' kinda way !
YOU KNOW......keep up appearances and don't hang out dirty washing......
Revolution is the solution.
Here's a link to the CNN video where the commentators describe 7s immiment collapse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N...h?
v=N1LetB0z8_o
America Freedom To Fascism and 9/11 Mysteries Demolitions are #1 and #2 on the Top 100 charts of Google Video in Canada right now! Yesterday AFTF was 52 and 911 Mysteries was not in the top 100!
don't even bother with digg it's just full crackpots and total waste of time
So now we know this was orchestrated, what's the next step?
file: 911Building7Collaspe.flv = 62212740 bytes
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How did the Operation Northwood's documents come out? Human error. Those kinds of documents were supposed to have been destroyed, yet these were overlooked among the vast number of military documents. Perhaps this bit of footage was also overlooked among the vast amount of video footage
the BBC must have.
Oh my God! The BBC was behind 9/11!
Another amazing thing about this video is that at timecode 2:09 the BBC guy is interviewing a British Terrorism expert, and the expert seems to think that State Sponsored Terrorism is a strong possibility. So government sponsored terror was being talked about that day by people other than Alex and Hunter Thompson. The expert even mentions Timothy McVey as not being solely responsible for the Oklahoma City Bombing.
How big is the the download file from prisonplanet? I downloaded, via dial-up, and it went faster than I thought? The file I have is 3.28 MB. I didn't get the part with the scrambled images at BBC HQ in London., so I think I wasn't able to get the whole thing somehow
Thanks MereCat. I've been searching a great site of NYC building architecture (Trying to figure out that piece of architecture behind the reporters left shoulder t try to pinpoint this building. I will look for The Soho Grand Hotel. The AT&T Midstown building that deddright spoke of has such pieces within the window but I'm still looking. Not a real big deal because these building aren't going anywhere. It will make going there and Identifying quicker. Some window sills are boxed in and this might explain the shiney casing in the interior to the right of the reporter. That is definitely a shadow and she's filming LIVE.....Amen for this footage. Thank you to the caller on Alex'a show!!!!!!!!!
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This PrisonPlanet made it to the front page of DIGG at 18:37 EST and was cecnsored from the site shortly after. Now there is another story being Digged.
http://www.digg.com/world_news/
O...ng_Still_Stands
The video is now gone from Google Video. And I think its gone from the internet archives too. I'm attempting another download from there now.
hosting the shorter version also
so now we have these links for download
"FOR ALL YOU IPOD GUYS"
Here's a IPOD version of the video so now you can be portable with the video
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
911_7_b...no_collapse.mp4
Quick Version with no web logos...
http://www.arcfxhost.com/BBC-BUS...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
http://abuse-of-power.org/BBC-BU...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
http://www.prisonplanet.com/vide...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
FULL version...
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
9117bui...gnocollapse.wmv
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
Calling Bush an Asshole is wrong.
An Asshole serves a useful purpose.
As for the location, I think the reporter was in the Soho Grand Hotel.
Alex is my hero and so is the guy who called that in on the radio!!!!
Thank you both!
http://video.google.com/
videopla...525551648735936
before they pull it again, its 26 mins.
Let the trials begin.
I have more rope.
Speaking of interrupted video feeds;
I remember during NBC's coverage of the 9/11 "attacks" there was an interview with MSNBC reporter Ashleigh Banfield who was standing in the street talking to Katie Couric, Matt Lauer and Tom Brokaw over the TV feed.
Just as Banfield was about to hold a pink(or reddish) piece of paper to the camera that apparently came from Tower 1 of the World Trade Center, the camera feed suddenly froze up with a repeating hiccup of Banfield saying "trade center" over and over again and then the feed cut back to live shots of the World Trade Center site and audio from the Today Show studio.
Does anybody here have an archive of NBC's footage from 9/11?
Maybe there's something on that piece of paper the New World Order didn't want us to see. Perhaps that piece of paper had something to do with either inside trading or possibly related to the thermite in the buildings.
A good way to find it ist to look at google vids with the searchbox empty and select sort by date and length you can find it on the first screen a few minutes ago ... over 20 mins and within 24 hrs.
Anybody tried locating this reporter for questioning? Surely she would have been troubled that a building decided to fall 5 minutes after her feed was cut off!
Another thing; wouldn't she have felt odd talking about a building that just collapsed; when nothing had collapsed since the towers? I am assuming she was live on the scene in New York; and was aware of the activity around her.
The loss of video feed is another one of those "coincidences"....
This video is definitely very interesting!
Talk, talk, talk...So what are we going to do about it? I got rope!
V
Wow You Tube actually let my videos go on! I guess they gave up. They figure they would do more damage censoring them than letting them on. They truly are scum! Here is the link for my part 2 which shows the lady with building 7 behind her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j...h?
v=jaZi31Mny2k
has anyone had any luck finding the corresponding times in US network archives. for instance, Fox has clips of the towers hit by planes, but nothing on 7
i had no luck pulling archival footage from ABC
my guess it's the same all ways round
i am automatically suspect anytime our history is hidden,
especially when we lived through it
there may be more smoke coming from that gun
Uploading the FLV version to our server now. It will take a while on dailup. No Highspeed service in the woods. Lots of wildlife though. Our coverage is at http://www.kosmosltd.net/index2.htm . We are a Private Nonprofit Educational site. I was listening when the caller called into Alex's show. It was awsome how this whole thing developed. You can bet they are going into overdrive to spin this whole affair right now!
Here is the 1024 MB source file converted to a 140 MB WMV
http://sharedzilla.com/en/get?id=76496
When do the arrests and hangings start?
When do the arrests and hangings start?
John i agree, they may produce something nasty in order to divert attention, like they did with beheading after Abu Ghraib scandal.
It's Building 7 itself that is being reflected at the top of the mirror on the left of the screen.
There is no doubt the footage was live.
Please post to other places too, not just moronic digg (my opinion on them).
Now you know this is a false flag,now a new one will develop,this time it will be blamed on the Iranians,BE SURE NOT TO TAKE THE CHIP IN YOUR RIGHT HAND!!!
Nathan can you post clean AVI, not flv with .avi extension please...
Just to clear up a point that have been appearing on the digg link, as the clip clearly shows it is from BBC world news and not BBC one news or BBC news 24 which are both for U.K. domestic viewers and show the U.K. time on the screen. BBC world news does not show or state the U.K time like the two domestic channels do, because as the name suggests it is for the rest of the world’s consumption. As a brit that watches a lot of BBC news the clip looks like a totally genuine BBC world news broadcast.
FWIW, the building immediately in front is the corner of Canal and Avenue of the Americas.
911patriot uploaded it to Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v...h?
v=v1fI2HY4J7Y
Are you still wetting the bed Sean McMahon honey....don't worry sweet heart....things get better when cushions get wetter .... you dumb fuck.
I've also made another version of the video with some on screen help and posted it in a few places:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI
http://video.google.com/videopla...500840360&
hl=en
http://uncutvideo.aol.com/search...llapsed&
index=0
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/45...before_it_fell/
I am totally unable to upload any videos to You Tube and Google Video. As soon as I attempt it throws me out on Google and doesn't process my videos on You Tube. This is absolutely crazy! Censorship is totally happening! I may not be able to use Google Video with my computer again for uploads.
Thanks deddright! You are the man!
hah, I also made screen shots of before and after it was removed
before pulled
http://www.arcfxhost.com/pict/
go...gle_pull_01.JPG
after pulled
http://www.arcfxhost.com/pict/
go...gle_pull_03.JPG
http://www.arcfxhost.com/pict/
go...gle_pull_02.JPG
Mike Montessano,
The Western Union Building on Hudson Street (in Tribeca) is visible in the video. It's no more than a few blocks to the south so it's a safe guess the BCC reporter was in the AT&T building at the corner of Church and Walker (right behind the Tribeca Grand Hotel).
My money says that they'll claim it was an honest mistake. They'll say they received a report that WTC-7 had been weakened and that it was feared that it may collapse. They'll say that they got the report mixed up, and mistakenly reported that it had collapsed. And, everybody will just buy it, and the story will die. Because, by and large, people are stupid and afraid.
WTC7 23 Minute Warning Video Pulled By Google
On September 11th 2001, BBC World reported at 4:57pm Eastern Time that the Salomon Brothers Building, more commonly known as WTC7 or World Trade Building 7, had collapsed. This even made the 5pm EST headlines, what is bizarre is that the building did not actually collapse until 5:20pm EST. 9/11 was unusual enough, without BBC World being able to foretell the destiny of WTC 7. Minutes after the news of this new Google Video posting broke on the Alex Jones show the video was pulled. Not before the video was captured by Jones' staff. We will be preparing a new link as soon as it is reposted. This is a screen capture of the pulling of the video. Update: We now have 3 video links up and with have it on our server tonight. URL for screen capture: http://www.kosmosltd.net/07news/0004.htm
This development just might be enough to cause the the apologists of the official account to reconsider.
DIGG THIS STORY HERE:
http://www.digg.com/world_news/
B...efore_It_Fell_2
HELP SPREAD THE WORD
Mr. Brooks have you watched the video for if you had you would sound like the posters that are expressing an opinion not trying to critical think. Not everybody wants to share their results of a critical thinking match done with themselves.
Christopher Brooks, it was pull, that is odd in it's self for questioning
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God Bless!!
How I love poetic justice! The BBC just experienced "INSTANT KARMA" for their apalling documentary. This is going to be fun!!!!
FINALLY!
I DID AN FEA OF THE STRUCTURE IN 2001 USING THE FINEST MESH ON A SUN MICROSTATION A MONTH AFTER IT HAPPENED VIA SOLIDWORKS AND ANSYS W/THE AUTODYN PLUGIN PACKAGE. I PROVED TO MYSELF AND FELLOW MECH ENG. UNDERGRADS AND GRAD STUDENTS VIA THE SOFTWARE (USING EXAGERATED LOADS) THAT THE BUILDING WOULD HAVE TO BE MADE OF GLASS FOR A CATOSTROPHIC SUDDEN (BRITTLE) FAILURE IN TEN SECONDS. I KNEW IT HAD TO HAVE A LOT OF HELP (HONESTLY I STILL DIDN'T THINK IT WAS OUR OWN GOVERNMENT AT THE TIME) OR THE LAWS OF PHYSICS SIMPLY DID NOT APPLY TO THIS STRUCTURE ON THIS DAY.
THIS VIDEO IS ALL THE HELP I NEED TO MAKE MY POINT. IF THIS VIDEO GETS OUT, REAL SOON THE NAY SAYERS WON'T THINK MY CLAIM OVER 5 YEARS AGO WAS FAR FETCHED.
THANKS BBC!
SPREAD THE WORD...DIGG THIS STORY
http://digg.com/world_news/
BBC_R...efore_It_Fell_2
Also another blow to BBC in so many days with their illusionary hitpiece docudrama done with horse blinders about 9/11 a few days ago it would make since for the BBC to have a vested interest in cover up or willfully looking the otherway in the recent hit piece.
This is HUGE!!! The BBC was fed a pre-scripted "official story" on WTC-7's implosion well before the massive building actually collapsed!!! The two BRITS were not familiar with the NYC skyline, & they spoke at length about the massive building's destruction while it firmly stood right in their faces!!!! This is one GIANT, maybe FATAL, blunder made by the real perpetrators!!!!
The premature conclusions drawn by posters here is a manifestation of the sloppy approach to critical thinking so common amoung 9-11 activists.
When this material is clarified even further suggestion will have to be employed to justify
foolish presumption.
This material needs to be treated with sober caution and skepticism until such time as it,s nature is better understood.
There is nothing to be gained by jumping to
conclusions.
Careful! Lets watch this unfold. Why did this take so long to come out? Why now? Could this be a well constructed straw man....?
Although it is quite odd that the search engines and video sites have pulled the feeds.....this just could be the one........I say be cautious and let teh research begin.
Like an earlier poster stated CNN, ABC, NBC, and FOX all pulled their 911 video archives
what wonders did they hold?
I have been covering this as well on our educational site http://www.kosmosltd.net/index2.htm . I do beleive the BBC has just been caught with their britches down. Get ready for the spin. I have a huge archive of 911 articles on our site at: http://www.kosmosltd.net/
Enemy_W...nemy_Within.htm check it out! Who is behind it all? Check out http://www.kosmosltd.net/Beast.htm . I''ll have the FLV version available for download soon. I am limited because no highspeed internet available where I am located. I do have screen capture up on the situation. Don't wait for orders from headquaters...... run to the sound of the guns!!!!
Everyone barrage the in boxes of Keith Olbermann on this..if this man truly stands up to the Bush administration like he says he does he will report this!!!
The fact that they lost the feed at the end says it wasn't done in the studio and she refers to the scene behind her as being live and just as it's time to pull it the feed is lost. BBC, CNN, Fox, and many more have common threads in the complicity of the events which you would think the heads of media giants should be rolling but their not. This shows that 9/11 was an inside and an outside job. The globalist is the heads of the giant squid and Bush and Blair etc, are just arms with many other different suckers on each leg. This will of course never see the light of day on mainstream milli vannilli because they can't spin it............
hosting the shorter version also
so now we have these links for download
Quick Version with no web logos...
http://www.arcfxhost.com/BBC-BUS...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
http://abuse-of-power.org/BBC-BU...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
http://www.prisonplanet.com/vide...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
FULL version...
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
9117bui...gnocollapse.wmv
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
hosting the shorter version also
so now we have these links for download
Quick Version with no web logos...
http://www.arcfxhost.com/BBC-BUS...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
http://abuse-of-power.org/BBC-BU...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
http://www.prisonplanet.com/vide...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
FULL version...
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
9117bui...gnocollapse.wmv
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
Nathan,
can you upload the PBS documentary if you have it, seems like everything pertaining to building 7 is going bye bye
Folks, it's not just this BBC footage.
CNN was reporting that WTC 7 "Has either collapsed or is collapsing" at 4:10 P.M. (Eastern Time).
The incriminating CNN news footage has now been censored from Archive.org. See:
http://www.archive.org/download/...109111545-1626/
http://ia311543.us.archive.org/1...6/V08537-
12.mpg
http://ia311543.us.archive.org/1...537-
12_64kb.mp4 (24,014,506 bytes)
As Big_D said (on Mon, 02/26/2007 - 2:10pm http://911blogger.com/node/6451?page=2 , also see Big_D on Mon, 02/26/2007 - 4:44pm and on Mon, 02/26/2007 - 7:59pm http://www.911blogger.com/node/6...ode/6458?
page=1 ) regarding this footage:
""
At about [4]:10:30 PM, at around 25min 30sec into the clip, CNN reports that building 7 "Has either collapsed or is collapsing". Someone knew something way ahead of when I previously thought.
""
Big_D further said (on Mon, 02/26/2007 - 7:59pm):
""
It's also interesting to note that the cbs & fox links for this time are missing.
""
Can someone who has this footage pleae email me the relevant section or put it up online (i.e., on a website that isn't government-controlled)? My email address is jrredford@yahoo.com . I'm on dial-up, so please keep that in mind if you send me a file.
All that's really needed is just the extract of the relevant passage Big_D spoke of, along with a time-cue in the footage to establish the time. That hopefully shouldn't take up much file-space.
And for God's sake, get it out to the Infowars staff, and any other bona fide Truth websites that will host it (i.e., as opposed to government-controlled websites that will censor it)!
This CNN footage combined with the BCC footage is incriminating beyond all reckoning! There's no rational way to spin these videos: obviously one of the government terrorists jumped the gun on their script and was issuing statements to the news agencies that WTC 7 had either already came down, or was coming down right then. No wonder the government's minions are taking these videos down.
ALRIGHT!!!
here we go, another format ".wmv"
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
9117bui...gnocollapse.wmv
next I have IPOD format coming
Here's a challenge for you... try searching Google News and see how many main stream media sources are reporting this.
Here's the easy link:
http://snipurl.com/Google_News
Pretty interesting, eh?
DIGG THIS STORY
SPREAD THE WORD
http://www.digg.com/world_news/
B...efore_It_Fell_2
Remember this too folks that its SOP for a major broadcasting agency like the BBC to verify the stories they put on the air through multiple sources. Especially on such a huge event. They are not the rumor mill or grandama's sewing circle. Someone at the BCC KNEW that building was coming down because they had impeccable sources. I dont have to tell you who they were.
Me neither 911mythsdemythified But it important because we have to convince the skeptic or even those that are neutral. I wouild so love to find out where this building is that she is broadcasting from. If I knew, I would go there in the next few days to try to get a shot from that window. Unless they destroy that building too. See, this is great! If it WTC7 (and it certainly looks like the brown sandstone building we have studied), they have no way to spin it.
Here is a mirror to help share the server load Paul
http://abuse-of-power.org/BBC-BU...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
There is one fundamental issue everyone posting here needs to FULLY understand:
THE 'UNITED STATES' IS A CORPORATION.
'America' is a country. The 'United States' is a corporation. Everything you are discussing flows from this one fact.
From Cornell Law University's website - the definition of the 'United States' - US code, Title 28:
(15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscod...02----000-
.html
The above link is the part of the US code dealing with legal definitions. Click on it, scroll to the bottom of the page and you will find the definition of the 'United States'.
The American people, for the past 137 years have been allowed, or rather encouraged to believe that the 'United States' is their country.
Again, it is not. It is a corporation, granted its charter by Congress in 1871 by the 'Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia', Forty-First Congress, Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62.
The corporation was formed by the same foreign bankers who had, for the previous 100 years been attempting to wrest control of America's money supply. Jefferson, Jackson and Lincoln had all fought bravely against this, but by 1871, with Lincoln assassinated and the country still in debt, Congress finally caved and granted them their charter. Its legal juristiction was to extend no further than the ten square miles of the District of Columbia and its island dependecies (such as the Marianas).
Ever since, the American people have been dragged into an endless series of wars for profit, been the subject of illegal taxation, had their sovereignty continually undermined, along with all the other wretched corporate deceptions which have no place in a free society.
Corporate government, according to Mussolini's definition, is fascism. The above information is the achille's heel which will bring the whole parasitic edifice down.
Ponder on this, put aside any petty differences you may have - and act.
Very strange that this does not show in the most poular list at digg.com. at this time it show 766 digs but does not appear on the most popular at that position.
Or anywhere that i can see.
Strange.
Gary
can't pull my link on my server, I hope!!! :P
PLUGGING AGAIN
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
Mike: it doesn't reveal where she's broadcasting from. But wait till you see the video - I really can't see any way they can spin this........
To everyone,
Youtube, Google videos have been pulled. Liveleak is having issues, even the PBS documentary is now having issues, get this to your file sharing programs ASAP!
I emailed them and asked them why a public service broadcaster paid for lock stock and barrel by the British taxpayer was going out of its way to help cover up the mass murder committed by the US government. One would almost think there was some kind of CONSPIRACY going on...!!!
I have't heard or seen the video yet. For those who have, does it reveal where she is broadcasting from? I want to backup our argument that it is WTC7 we are seeing in the background. Listen, the cospirators of this crime will try to dismiss that on this point. Problem for them: There are landmarks. All of those other buildings around that are still standing. If the one we believe to be WTC7 is fixed in the same spot relative to any of the others we see in this footage, it will be WTC7 proof postive. I've been trying to sift through maps, aerial photographs etc. This should be another way to build our case. We do know that the reporter is north of the World Trade Center Complexes as the sun is setting to the right of screen (or the reporters left hand side. Keep up all the good work guys. Look if we are wrong based upon facts, so be it. If we are right, based upon facts, Look out traitors!
I emailed the BBC. I restrained myself and the tone wasn't overly smug. I'm trying to get a hold of this Jane Standley chick too for an interview tomorrow. From what I can gather, she's in Africa. Hopefully she doesn't 'conveniently' succumb to the E-bola virus or something similarly debilitating.
It's been pulled everywhere!
You can still see it here though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5...h?
v=5NZYcSzNIqA
And here
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4..._1172526096&
c=1
Make sure we get copies of this thing!!!
NOTE: This media item is queued for approval
VIDEO: BBC WAS HALF AN HOUR TOO EARLY REPORTING ON WTC7 COLLAPSE
Get while it lasts
Has anyone here emailed the bbc yet?
Poordeadking, this pic should resolve any doubts about the legitimacy of the lower Manhattan cityscape behind the BBC reporter:
http://www.savedmemories.com/pho...0/
Dscn1481b.jpg
Incidentally, the link PJW posted is only 7 mins. While it clearly shows WTC7 behind her head, I'm wondering if someone is going to convert and upload the full thing. Are you doing that, Nathan?
Poordeadking: I concur with Nathan - and I'm sure everyone else will too. There is no doubt that building is anything but WTC7. It's a very distinctive shape, rectangular with the rectangular block of the penthouse on the roof. Take a look at www.WhatReallyHappened.com - Mike Rivero has lots of analysis of the building collapses. That's Building 7, without a shadow of a doubt.
DIGG THIS STORY HERE- SPREAD THE WORD
http://digg.com/world_news/
BBC_R...efore_It_Fell_3
hi Poordeadking, if you watch the posted video report, there is a recording of the collapse after the report from around the same angle. Try memorising the skyline during the report and during the footage of the collapse. If you are unfamiliar of the skyline, have a look for yourself in this video of both the report and the collapse and see what you think
Thanks Nathan, I'll do some research. That was pretty lazy of me actually.......
what is wrong with these people that call anyone and everyone an agent who dosen't agree with them?
Kirb
Um, maybe it's because they're getting PAID to "not agree", Kirb? Remember that the US military has admitted to spending hundreds of millions of dollars on fighting the "cyber war" - that means employing people to try to win hearts and minds on t'internet. Plus there are a lot of morons about too!!!
Poordeadking
I live in NYC... at the moment in LA but, yes, that is a 100% building 7, I live 15 blocks from there.
If you still have doubt you are going to have to do some research. Sorry, but I'm at work and me typing right now is putting me in the spot light
John, It's a rip from the original, it sucks
that's why I'm converting it to something else, just keep an eye out in the next few minutes for another link that will work better
PLUGING AGAIN
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
and
http://www.prisonplanet.com/vide...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
How do I know for sure that's WTC7 behind her? I'm not familiar with the New York Skyline. Can anyone verify it? Someone post a link please.
911MythsDemythified,
Did I say they were all Zionists? No you did, I said agents, there is CIA also. Can you prove that the Rothschilds are running this? No, neither can I. Even if I thought it was true. If you can, be my guest. Can you prove those buildings were blown up? No, if you can be my guest. Jones, both Jones, are frauds. Prof. Jones is a fraud, thermite, can he prove it, no. I can guarantee he's a fraud. Or maybe, it was a mini nuke, like Uncle Fester says, hay? But, one thing, there is documented evidence for all the Israeli spies, who maybe didn't even have EXPLOSIVES, which you say can't be argued about, which is crap, you can't prove that.
Because a guy with Aliens on his page say this (Rense) or maybe the kooks at GCN OR RBN. They are all controlled by the same, I'm not saying they are Zionists, they could be CIA. It doesn't matter.
The CIA more then likely was contracting out to the Mossad for this when it happened. They aren't allowed to do serveilance on their home land. It doesn't matter though, what matters is what is proveable, and everyone should find it very interesting when no one seems to want to focus on what is provable.
What discredits you is not pointing out that there was Israeli agents, which is provable, its all the other things which are speculation.
And stop saying truth movement, its a sham movement. Truth movement, ha, ha.
I'm shoving the proof in your face, and you know it, and you want to focus on things that you know will get you laughed out of every court house.
card51short; nice try but no cigar!!
Nathan how come I can't scroll through your video. i'm using VCL Divx Real WMP everything the same. can't scroll through your video
Thanks for joining the hosters Paul Joseph Watson, was a little worried about my server
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
and now!!!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/vide...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
truthbetold - nobody with a real brain cares about your zionaphobic mush so please shush!
if we weren't in cyberland and were face to face i probably would have stuck a pair of fat truckers underpants in your mouth and pushed you down an inflatable flight of stairs into a paddling pool filled with gooseberry juice by now.
what is wrong with these people that call anyone and everyone an agent who dosen't agree with them?
come on. because that's a slam dunk argument. slam dunk. nothing else needs to be said. if i'm part of the coverup, all i say is that you better pay me $100MM or i tell all that i know. multiplied by every person who was involved in the coverup (we've already established that they have no morals, right?). how many people would it take to hijack planes, set up controlled demolitions, feed information to journalists and safety personnel, etc.? give. me. a break. i hate this government as much as anyone else, but use your head. i mean, use your head.
so the conpirators would blow their cover and get arrested as well? If they were evil enough to conspire, why would they rat on themselves, especially when their family and kids are at risk?
NO PROB, converting it to other formats as we speak
JUST PLUGING AGAIN!!!,
Use my bandwidth up on my server and download it as many times as you want!!!
plays best with VLC player
upload it everywhere!
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
Cooobrrrraaaaaaa!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/vide...ED-WTC7-
911.wmv
High quality WMV version - SPAM it on every video upload site in existence until their censorship efforts become futile.
Host it on your own server, just spread it everywhere like confetti.
The morons thought they could "memory hole" this again and their efforts have merely made it bigger.
Paul Joseph Watson
Nathan, you're a fucking STAR!!! :-D
I am converting the 1024mb source file into a wmv and will have it uploaded soon.
Incidentally, Truthbetold, "no rothschilds, fight this dog another day". You're calling Alex Jones a Zionist and yet when I mention the daddy of ALL Zionists you say "this is of no import". Oh really??? What IS of import to you? Promoting the Mossad card to get the truth movement well and truly discredited, I am starting to think... Nice try Sunshine, but you'll have to do a bit better than that!!
Please check out my website. http://www.visualvendetta.com
I can't track this down in Digg either. The only way I get there is through the link on the prison planet page. What is up with that?
anyone got a copy of the Jack Blood show today on GCN with the crew from Loose change?
This is the only Full Version
http://www.liveleak.com/view?
i=4...=49f_1172526096
Truthbetold: I didn't say you're an anti-Semite. However, by your language and your behaviour I am just about ready to call YOU a well-muddier. Once again, if people focus on Mossad then the first thing that will happen will be that people will PULL the anti-Semite card, and you'll be no further forward. Yes, it is pretty cut and dried that Israel had a hand in 9/11. No, I don't think there's anything to gain by trying to concentrate on that. As I tried to point out, the only thing that will EVER get 9/11 into a courtroom will be for people to put aside all thought of Israel, Mossad or Jews, and concentrate on things that CANNOT be argued with - like the fact that there WERE explosives (not necessarily bombs...) in the WTC. That has been attested to by eyewitnesses, and backed up by seismic data, as well as evidence covered by Dr. Stephen Jones (Oh, don't tell me HE'S a Zionist agent too!!) which pretty much proves that the core columns were severed with thermite or thermate. All of that is nothing to do with Loose Change, which is just another attempt to force an investigation. If you really think anyone and everyone who is trying to force the truth out by hook or by crook is a fucking Zionist, you need to take a reality pill and stop smoking the weed - it's making you far too paranoid!!
DIGG THIS STORY, SPREAD THE TRUTH
http://digg.com/world_news/
BBC_R...efore_It_Fell_3
man that gig download is taking too long.. anyone else got a version?
It still does not show up on the digg popular page.
shill bastards!
dang this is so fucked up.. dang.
WAG THE DOG... looks like someone jumped the script
can any one find the digg article of this through digg's search engine or digg's top in 24 hours or digg's upcoming stories? I can't, are digg up to something with the article? Although I do see more digg articles of the same subject but not this one through digg's search, are digg trying to protect their site from linking to this site? (I tried searching "bbc" in digg, and browsing thorugh article)
I am no anti-semite, and I'm not saying it's a jewish conspiracy, I don't follow Iamthewitness with Daryl Smith, who is also an agent to make this look rediculous. One thing, no rothschilds, fight this dog another day, one thing only, the mossad agents who knew this was going to happen, that is all people should focus on
For those who managed to download the flv file to your hard drive and need the codec to watch it, go here...
http://www.free-codecs.com/
downl...ecoder_Pack.htm
Works great.
I just listened to the "call that started it all" on the replay of Alex's show today. Alex is fairly uninterested at first but then once he hears about the video showing WTC7 the energy level explodes.
The whole thing is so organic. Someone watched hours of footage, made their own video, uploaded it to google with little fanfare then someone calls into A.J and BOOM, wildfire erupts. Within hours the video is pulled. Why would google pull this video? If we are all a bunch of tinfoil eaters why would they respond with such urgency? If it's nothing then treat it like nothing and leave it be like the millions of other 9/11 clips on there.
Wow, just wow. I thought the well was drying up on new, powerful evidence and out of nowhere maybe the most important one shows up.
911MythsDemythified,
Mr . Smarty pants, watch the video of Alex on the page we are on NOW, at the bottom in the interview... interviewing the African American fella..
And also, why would a fire deptartment guy be asking him this? Why would Larry Silverstein be saying this to a FIRE MAN? Do firemen blow up buildings?
This video was purposely done this way to throw you off, it is supposed to be vague, it is not a slip up, Alex is an agent. This video is done like this to make you concentrate on this, and it's crap.
The Building 7 is far from proved also, I have video footage of how bad that building was, and none of the conspiracy kooks want you to see it, they always show you the nice side. It is all crap... even if these building were taken down with bombs, which can't be proved, it doesn't matter...
Oh, but wait, guess who they found bomb residue on, the Israeli's in the white moving van.
Still it doesn't matter, i don't know if they bombed anything, but I do knopw they knew this was going to happen. LoosChange video is disinfo, with a massive budget behind it..
A note to you braindead nincompoops who are submissive to the agenda to the self-appointed "Elite"...
Why are we doing this? Because, we don't want to die in nuclear war. Unlike you, we don't have a suicide wish.
Truthbetold: grow up. Do you really think that yelling about the Israelis would do the truth movement any good? We'd all be labelled as rabid anti-Semites in seconds, and totally discredited accordingly. It's all about keeping it as respectable as possible until we can get the fuckers into an independent courtroom - and THEN we can pull out all the stops. Until then, we have to do it "by the book" - which unfortunately is written by the same people who pulled off 9/11. Unfortunately, and to our everlasting regret we can't go in all guns blazing - because no-one would listen.
And for your info, Alex and the Watsons are NOT Zionists. If they were, they wouldn't talk about the Rothschild family as being at the core of the NWO - for Zionism was INVENTED BY THE ROTHSCHILDS! You obviously haven't listened to Alex talking enough to make a balanced judgement - so don't!!
I downloaded it to my hard drive and watching it this very moment. The announcer very clearly says that WTC7 has collapsed. Then cuts away to the woman correspondent in NYC. And she talks about the collapse of WTC7 even though it can plainly be seen behind her.
WTF?
By the way, Media Player Classic does a real good job of playing .flv files.
DIGG STORY
http://digg.com/world_news/
BBC_R...efore_It_Fell_3
wow wow wow I am gonna be up all night burning. If its ok with you guys can I put some of the comments on here on the back page. the version from conspiracy central is already edited to point out the obvious & well put together so can be on dvd in minutes. just putting together a cover for it now my duplicator will get some work tonight lmfao.
Well done all, Alex & paul!!!
Full avi version can be downloaded here http://conspiracycentral.net:
696...b21c558235331e8
Why do people keep on talking about crap? Why talk about loosechange, the video is so full of crap, who is promoting this garbage? It is so easy to discredit, and that is why so many people promote it.
The real thing that everyone should be concerned with is, the Israeli spies, this is all real. They didn't even need those buildings to come down to justify this war, so why concentrate on this? The planes smashing into the building alone was enough to get the people and the governmment to go to war, EVEN IF THERE WAS NO BOMBS. they didn't need BOMBS!
So ask, we don't know if there was bombs, no one does, but we do KNOW with absolute certainty, that there was Israeli spies, and they KNEW about 911, and they didn't say anything, and they didn't put any of this in the 911 commission report.
Why don't any of you get this, or are all of you agents, I know Alex and Paul are...
Truthbetold:
"In a September 2002 PBS documentary, the owner of the WTC complex Larry Silverstein discusses Building 7 and states that in the late afternoon of September 11, the decision was made to "pull it." The term "pull it" is industry jargon for controlled demolition, but Silverstein denied charges that WTC 7 had been deliberately brought down."
That's what Alex (or more accurately PJW & SW) said. Neither one of them said anything about Silverstein having "blew the building up". Get your facts straight if you're going to complain...
Larry, working on it now
again here is the old link at the moment
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
To Truthbetold,
Larry Silverstein in a PBS documentary stated "Pull it" perhaps you are unfamiliar with demolition terminology but this means they blew up the building do the research yourself and draw your own conclusion
You can download the archive from BBC yourself
http://ia311517.us.archive.org/2...6/V08591-
16.mpg
the timestamp for this file states 1654-1736
google has removed the video, fire crews, emt and police officers first on the scene have all gone on the record when will people wake up??
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/fo...hread269695/
pg1
BBC - The British Brainwashing Corporation is controlled by Zionists, faggots and Freemasons. Mostly, you get all three in one.
Alex, you ever stop lying..? Why do say in that video that Larry Silverstein says in the video that they " blew up the towers", they don't, and you know it. This is done by you purposely, it's not a slip up, to make the whole thing look stupid when someone wants to look into it, it just makes it look like " this guys is exagerating".
DIGG THIS STORY:
http://digg.com/world_news/
BBC_R...efore_It_Fell_3
Can someone get this clip made on windows media format so I can download it and save it? Can someone who knows how to do this post it somewhere where it can be downloaded and not possible for the censors to remove it? I gotta get this put on DVD somehow.
WOW this clip is going supernova on the torrent sites.
911myths---yes youre right, I realize that now----I first said that 5 minutes into the clip--this was before I saw the woman talking about it. That made a huge difference. This is really scary people. People might say--"big deal, whats it mean?"-----this goes beyond just 'bad reporting'----they arent reporting someone being dead where later they can just say 'we were told wrong'----they are reporting something as happened that they could have had NO IDEA was even possible of happening! see the difference? Really scary. This is MAJOR news! Someone definately KNEW beforehand...this proves it. Speculation is no longer in the mix people....this is verifyable FACT now that someone KNEW!!!!!!!
Maybe it's not meant to discredit Alex Jones and the Watsons specifically, but if this were to be conclusively debunked, those who have attested to its apparent significance would be bereft of credibility, to an extent.
I hope that's not the case.
Poordeadking: I doubt it's an attempt to discredit Alex and the Watson brothers - PrisonPlanet was relatively slow to report on it. Other sites had this story long before Alex and the boys.
Had the same problem Jamey, sucks because all my email is there from the last few years.
PLUGING LINK AGAIN :P
right click and save!!!
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
wow never seen so many comments this quickly,amazing!
Also my Google Video accounts cannot be accessed on my computer!!!! They shut me down!!! When I log in it immediately logs me out. This is very scary. I had 2 good 911 videos on there. Same thing Yahoo did to me for asking questions about 9/11 on Yahoo questions.
I tried to upload the video in 2 parts to You Tube and they are still both 'processing' and Google Video has removed the video totally! That is scary folks! They must be scared. Be afraid. Be very afraid!
I'm converting it now, should have a few other formats in the next half hour
also again here is my hosted link for the video!!!
right click and save!!!
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
I pointed a video camera at my computer and captured a copy of this video in its entirety.
I plan to make copies of this for friends family and posterity.
Larry: the time is irrelevant and is for info only. It doesn't matter if it was only 10 milliseconds before WTC7 collapsed - the fact that they're reporting on it while it is still clearly standing is the ONLY thing of importance!
I don't think the timestamp should be a issue in such that she has reported the wtc7 has collapsed while it is clearly standing in the background. She then continues for several minutes and the building is still standing, while on a live feed. Please don't let a timestamp enable a spin on this. The evidence is crystal clear
Poordeadking: I doubt it's an attempt to discredit Alex and the Watson brothers - PrisonPlanet was relatively slow to report on it. Other sites had this story long before Alex and the boys.
wow, wow, wow, wow, wow! I just saw it on liveleak------but I have one question: Nowhere on the video clip does it say it's 4:57 as they are reporting the collapse. How is it proven what time they said this?
darn, I use VLC go to VLC.com
I will incode it to some other formats after work in about three hours
Nathan, I saved the avi file and it won't play in WMP...is there something wrong with it?
This might be cynical, but part of me thinks this is an elaborate hoax intended to discredit Alex Jones and the Watson brothers.
Remember there's a multitude of unanswered questions. This is only one, albeit potentially incendiary. Exercise caution.
Hey SCUM, I hope your reading this,.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA you couldn't pull the video fast enough off the net, now the story going to go VIRAL.....HAHAHAHA you fucking dirtbags are GOING DOWN.....
Death to the New World Order......
LMAO SCUM.......
OK, GUYS!!!
I am hosting it on my sight, so kill my bandwidth please! Get it out there!!!
FORGOT TO SAY, it's best to download it first, it will play better. Just right click and click save target as."
here is the link
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
AND after you download it upload it to google youtube yahoo, everywhere!!!
If this is so much BS, then why has it been pulled from google and liveleak. Yea you can say that it had something to do about copyright, but there is alot of news stuff from these networks that are out on the net. They are trying to cover there asses because if enough information and pieces of this puzzle get out, then it will show that a conspiracy was hatched and born that day.
OK, GUYS!!!
I am hosting it on my sight, so kill my bandwidth please! Get it out there!!!
here is the link
http://www.arcfxhost.com/
buildin...g7_still_up.avi
I just called MSNBC about this story---when he heard me actually say "WTC 7" he immediately put me through to a voice mail line as if I was reporting on an apartment fire. Voice mail? About a story of this magnitude? Just shows you that the global elite has the news organizations by the balls.
The lists of peers on uttorrent is flying up. I have never seen something download so quick! Keep your puters running all week on this one to make sure it gets everyware
I just sent all links to this video to Keith Olbermann at MSNBC..I hope he watches and puts this on one of his nightly broadcasts.
Vinz: This is a sign!
Janine: It's a sign alright. "Goin' Outta Business."
One of the best days since we woke up.
DO NOT RELENT!
NEVER SURRENDER!
WE GOT EM.
You can cleary tell the reporter is standing in front of window in the live feed look at the sunlight glistening off her shoulder, that's no green screen. BBC is BUSTED!! Thanks Paul & Alex
You can watch it here:
http://www.esnips.com/doc/
47ae2f...ilding7Collapse
The footage has been pulled from google.video as i was downloading it, managed to get around 95%. Creating a DVD of it at the moment & gonna fire it around, cause this it BIG news.
It's interesting to see the live connection being cut from the studio, minutes before the collapse! Im anxious to see what Jane and the crew were thinking when the building went down.
Paul... see if you can get a hold of Jane Standley and ask her what happened, should be interesting to hear what she has to say. The BBC aren't gonna hear the end of this!!!
just saw it on liveleak. they have to keep pulling the vids because they have no way of debunking this.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4..._1172526096&
c=1
WOW, I want to see this, if anyone has a copy of it please send me the link. I went to google video and tried ot search for BBC 911 and alot of the stuff is gone. Is this just me? I'm thinking the blocks on my router are blocking this. Thanks
you can download it from http://conspiracycentral.net:6969/ you need utorrent software.
The liveleak vid still works...get this to as many people as possible, the local news, cable news..they MUST bring this to light..why did the BBC report WTC 7 collapsed long before it did? Why did they interrupt the reporter with WTC clearly in the background?
GET THE TRUTH OUT!!
you cant even watch the clip here!!! it wont play!!!
Holy shit. Fair play Paul. I won't believe it till I see it with my own eyes, but if you're right and they did report it early then, well, what the fuck? Don't know what to say. Why/how could that have happened?
As already pointed out tho, the video's been pulled, which begs the question... why did the pull it? I'd guess the BBC were all over google like a bad rash, trying to get them to remove it for copyright reasons or other such bullshit. I'm off to find it elsewhere. I hope you guys got it before they pulled it - please get it up on the site if you did.
The video has been pulled for sure but I am downloading the source and will plaster it all over the internet
By the way, I just saw the video from Google and it was fine.
Just the counting was rubish, just above 1000?!
Ya, right...
Jeremy, another thing...
Do I believe that people would be silent?
Should I remember that you live in a country where so called Christian preachers advocate wiping out a third of mankind saying how good it will be?!
Just kill 2 BILLION PERSOSN AND JESUS WILL COME IN IS GLORY! ALELUIA!
Whoever says and believes in such a nonsense can do whatever...
Even kill countrymen!
I'm I nuts?
Well, try this:
howcome fundamentalists sell an end time videogame in which american fundamentalists KILL OTHER AMERICANS BECAUSE THEY ARE, FOR EXAMPLE, CATHOLICS?!
How do you justify this?
Jeremy, however says its ok to kill 2 billion does not have a problem in killing a few thounsands..
Look at that link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C...h?
v=CwjmqkjwnvQ
Listen to what the guys are saying. They knew the building was going down!
THE VIDEO HAS ALSO BEEN YANKED FROM LIVELEAK!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?
i=4...=49f_1172526096
THE VIDEO HAS ALSO BEEN YANKED FROM LIVELEAK!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?
i=4...=49f_1172526096
Incidentally, Jeremy ConspiracyTheoristBasher; YOU obviously have no conception of how the world really works, if you think 9/11 WASN'T an inside job. You probably don't know that the US Federal Reserve and the Bank of England are private institutions, ultimately controlled by a tiny number of people. You probably know nothing about the Rothschild family, reputed by serious economists to personally control a minimum of 55% of ALL the world's wealth. You probably don't realise that the whole war on terror is an attempt to control the people of the world, for 2 reasons: a) to stop them doing anything about the privately controlled central banks and b) so that those same central banks can control every single penny we spend.
Conspiracy? You don't know the half of it, sunshine! The REAL conspiracy is so fucking monstrous your tiny little brain couldn't even BEGIN to grasp the enormity of it. 9/11 is a tiny part of it, enormous though it is. 9/11 is just an enabling exercise, to put more control into the hands of the power elite. Don't like that idea? Tough, you better get used to it; the state of thw world will never make sense until people start to think in those terms - and then it ALL makes perfect sense. There are 6.5 billion people on this planet, and the elite long ago realised that they could use human beings effectively as cattle to deliver wealth and power into their hands. They don't care about you, or me, or any single one of us. They never have, and they never will; take Iraq as a prime example. If 50% of the world's population died tomorrow the only problem they would have with it would be how to dispose of all the bodies!!
"The bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create money, and with the flick of a pen they will create enough money to buy it back again. However, take away from them the power to create money, and all the great fortunes like mine will disappear, and they OUGHT to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money." Sir Josiah Stamp, former Director of the Bank of England
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the NY Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But now the world is mroe sophisticated and prepared to march towards world government. The supra national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries."
David Rockefeller June 1991
Jeremy, with all respect but you should look to all the footages and be aware of all the things that happened then.
Those buildings were pulled down.
Simple physics.
Its impossible to justify free fall at a higher speed than free fall, just because.
WT7 would never fall on its own.
Look at the footages of imploding buildings and you'll see the same features: small consecutive explosions and the building's bending, before the collapse.
About the video it seems she believes reporting live and what she says is true.
The light is also consistent.
But I'm surprised that no one cares about what the "expert" says.
Remember he said it at the time and live.
He recons this level of organisation could indicate a country behind the attack.
Bin Laden might not be involved.
Be careful with fast and baseless acusations.
The White House is going to find someone to blame.
Bin Laden was a CIA asset.
Add all up and take your conclusions...
THIS LINK IS MISSING!! CENSORSHIP??
you better hurry sean o'reilly is on you might miss it.
Jeremy; consider it like this. If YOU were part of the 9/11 cover-up, and YOU knew that YOU were personally responsible for 3000 deaths as a direct result, and a million as an indirect result, would YOU come out and admit to having been a part of the cover-up? No, of course you wouldn't! You'd be so scared that you'd be publicly torn limb from limb - and you'd be right to be scared!
Also, there's a good chance that a lot of those who WERE in the know were the type of brainwashed military fanatics who believe everything their superiors tell them, to the point where they firmly believe that anything they do is for the greater good of the USA, despite the casualties. The greatest good of the greatest number, that's how a lot of people think, unfortunately. You know the type of people I mean - they constitute about 75% of Americans... "Our country is great, our country can do no wrong", etc etc; the type of people who regurgitate nationalistic, jingoistic bullshit because they have been BRAINWASHED into believing that their whole life. There are a hell of a lot of Americans who firmly believe that IF 9/11 WAS an inside job, it was a good thing too, to provide the excuse to get stuck into those Johnny Ay-rab types who are such a threat. Of course, these people are incapable of thinking the whole thing through - that IF people could stage 9/11 to give them an excuse to attack the Johnny Ay-rabs, then is there anything else they could be lying about? Like that the Johhny Ay-rabs are any kind of threat in the first place?!
But you go ahead with your "conspiracy theorist" jibes - followed up with bleating about the objectivity of other people's posts! You're not too objective yourself, old son; yelling "conspiracy theory" when all people are doing is asking questions is just plain stupid!
Sorry having the ability to thing for one's self upsets you so Sean. you one cell organism.
And another thing... I love my government, I love big brother, I love Real ID, I love fiat currency, I love the IRS. Power is good. Absolute power is even gooder. Join the dark side. Become one with the monolithic dinasaur police state structures that rise before us. Pray to them. Bow down. Submit... aaaahahahahaaa
The BBC video has been yanked from Google.
TIP: In the future, everyone should download these movies using this site;
DOWNLOAD GOOGLE AND YOUTUBE VIDEO
http://www.keepvid.com
Simply put the Google or YouTube address and click on one of the download links that appears.
With everybody downloading the video, it won't dissappear from the net because people will keep putting multiple copies back up.
What a collection of jerk-offs.
To all of you that spread this conspiracy theory crap;
Go Fuck Yourselves.
hmm, the google clips on embedded in this article won't play for me for some reason.
I AGREE WITH MARK. IT WOULD BE EVEN BETTER IF IT WERE TO BE VISUALLY FILMED.---FOR OBVIOUS BODY LANGUAGE REASONS.
If Alex can get ths woman reporter on his show important questions could be answered.
Most likely she was standing in front of a window and not standing in front of a screen showing hour old footage.....
This is a big story but lets interview the woman first.....
I saw it before they" pulled it"!! The truth will be told!!
Why have you guys "sat" on this?
Okay---I have a monumentous degree of "faith" in good (alternate) media reporting, (infowars & prison planet)....so, is it me?...or is there something else...that this suddenly had to be known...so why is this suddenly coming to light?
We know BBC is dirty as hell! As dirty as FOX and CNN.
I gots-ta-done-went-and-ask-me-a-question. It is the same question I want to ask Alex Jones as to how he stayed alive after infiltrating Bohemian Grove.............................................
..............Paul Joseph and Steve, how do you stay alive when you are insulting a medium controlled by PM Blair and that murderous bitch, Queen Lizzie and her twisted sons X3????????????????
Who ever put this up on the net should dig deeper. Even if the feed was "lost" during this report, the camera must have still been recording the scene and might have the actual record showing the destruction of Building 7.
I just downloaded the clip , but it's a little bit damaged , I only opend it by the media player classic i tried to upload it on the rapidshare.com and send the links wherever i can , but the server wont open . Could you please give me and alternative server where i could put it
What I would like to know is what are the odds on
1. There being a training excersize involving the crashing of planes into the World trade towers.
2. Actualy having Planes Crash into the trade towers, during and exercise.
3. Having a Fire cause major structrial collapse to 2 buildings that were designed to withstand not 1 but 2 impacts by aircraft each, even though no other steel framed building has ever collapsed from fire damage.
4. having a 3rd silverstine owned building collapse due to "Fire Damage"
5. Having not one but THREE building collapse on themselfs in such away that it minimises damage to buildngs close by
now that we have a video from BBC which actualy shows WTC7 still standing just strengthens the fact that there is a cover up of monumentous proportions.
I agree with you Chris Rogers.
But I would like to add something else to the mix, Intimidation. They are right it would be very hard to try to control the hundred key personnell that would be involved in this mess. But the easiest way to control them is by fear. Fear of being made to look crazy to your peers and international audience and also in that if this cabal is capable of doing this, they won't think of taking me out if it comes to it. Also momentum has an effect of people to. How would it look to any newscaster or govt. official to go against the grain at the country's time of need, they wouldn't be believed and also they can kiss there career goodbye.
What you are seeing are cracks forming and actually showing what really happened to WTC 7. Conspiracies do happen and they eventually do come apart when people believe that they can't be harmed anymore when there piece of the puzzle comes out.
It always got me how it was possible to "pull" WTC 7 six to seven hours after the towers came down, especially in the middle of all of that chaos. It would take weeks for the demolition crews to position explosives in a building to make sure it comes down in it's own footprint. Thats why Silverstein is backing out of what he was saying to PBS and other news organizations. Because the follow up question would be who did you use to implode the building and how was it able for them to get into that area of NYC during the chaos and implode WTC 7 in less that 7 hours.
Hey wouldn't be able to answer that.
the only thing this video has going for it is the light hitting her face
whitch can be (BUT "seems" not to be) bad studio lighting
if you watch your local weatherman (woman) on TV you don't see any "blue screen aliasing effects"
unless your TV station have a really crappy setup.
and you also see them look at their blue screens (not often but they do)
I looked at this video in ZOOM mode and i think the elevator (wall mirror effect) is all wrong
i think that is part of a split screen picture OR a window or something behind the "blue screen"
look at the direction the smoke in that 1/8th sliver is traveling
from left to right (and don't say front to back either I studied it) IT IS MOVING left to right
this is the totally opposite direction the smoke behind her is traveling.
and you cant say this a mirror effect of it displaying a backwards picture
as i tested this in a mirror and then using 2 mirrors with one mirror showing the picture of the other mirror.
and no matter how I position the mirrors i can not get the smoke from a cigarette to flow backwards.
so I think in one way or another there's something really wrong with this video and the theory that the background is LIVE.
and u CAN place anything on a blue screen INCLUDING moving Video
.
I just watched it, finished at 5:40 pm on google. It's probably just real popular right about now. It would have to be a huge coincidence for WTC 7 to fall 20 minutes after the BBC called it. I remember doing the same thing when I was a kid, shooting imaginary guns at airplanes, waiting for them to explode. There's really no denying that someone in the loop f*cked up big time.
Jeremy,
You don't think they psycologically screen people for Black Ops? Hell, they screen people to work at the DMV. lol
They have also been meddling with the viewing figures, take a look here:
http://sanityforsale.wordpress.com/
Not on YouTube either? And you wonder why Google bought YouTube...
Why does the screen split off on the left side and look different?
GOOGLE VIDEO IS STILL DOWN!!! AFTER TWO HOURS!!! This is out of my mind what they are doing!
Keep on loading it until they have to take down google video permanent then people will notice something! host the video yourself if you can! If not I will host it for you!
GOOGLE VIDEO IS STILL DOWN!!! AFTER TWO HOURS!!! This is out of my mind what they are doing!
Keep on loading it until they have to take down google video permanent then people will notice something! host the video yourself if you can! If not I will host it for you!
Great work, you guys are something.
& lots of intellegent coments and new people aboard.
HOPE>
All we can do is complain colorfully--such as posting news items on the web. Meanwhile Bush can do whatever he wants to the world. There is no real power over the Us government for citizens. Previous Presidents have been polite about this fact, using their power secretly, but Bush is looting as much as he can for his group during his years in office.
Got Them!
google has censored 911.
Google don't be evil
Almost every war in history was preceded by a catastrophic event which caused a nation to support its government to retaliate, an event which almost always years later was found to be caused by different people than the nation originally blamed. Napoleon blamed a fire on the wrong people to start his war, we provoked Japan to bomb Pearl Harbor (why would they bomb us without reason?)--do you think Japanese schoolchildren are taught Japan bombed the US for no reason? Then US co.'s make billions "rebuilding", contracts going to the same co.'s which fund wars and are linked to administrations. Right now our troops are in Iraq harrassing its people sometimes grotesquely (the kids who join the military are usually poor, under-educated people who see the armed forces as a way out of desolation, so they are not the most civil people). With our self-created rules about dealing with the rest of the world, our forces are increasingly, I hate to say this but I must, like Nazi forces conquering the world while we just read the watered down version of what's going on and believe that we are facing an enemy. We are the aggressors. We are the enemy.
Sorry.
Go here instead.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
...int_step1.shtml
Here is the link to the complaint form (for inaccuracy?)
on the BBC web site.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/
co...tistageform3.pl
PLease please file a complaint, maybe if we shout loud enough we can get them to issue a statement about this..
I live in NY and spent that morning after leaving my office directly beneath the apartment where Larry Silverstein lived at the time. From the beginning my friend's father who owned the apartment I was in, a megamillionaire who knows Silverstein but is not a friend, spoke about how questionable the whole situation was considering how he had only a few weeks before completed contracts with the MTA regarding the buildings and had also taken out an unprecedented large terrorist insurance policy. I am a rather conservative guy who doesn't like to speculate especially about conspiracy theories. But 9/11 has always seemed to me quite obviously a moneymaker for Silverstein, a useful catalyst for the Bush administration ( I voted for him but not for our attack of Iraq--it's not a "war") to take control and attack countries for their oil and for military spending increases (i.e. $ "for Afghanistan" will go into accounts of a few corporations not to citizens of that nation). Besides WTC7 obviously pulled for financial gain and to open reconstruction possibilities more, there have always been obvious questions the media never cared about thanks to being controlled by the ap, which is controlled by our government--the ap also gives foreign nations their US news. Questions such as why didn't air traffic control notice these planes and the military react, why didn't the terrorists attack later when more people would be at work, and the pentagon doesn't seem to have been hit by a plane nearly as large as the one which supposedly hit it.
ALEX JONES HANGS BBC OUT TO DRY!
Jeremy,
Unfortunately, yes, I know how the world works. People are indeed people. Many, if not most, are power hungry incompetent screw ups. Those are the kind that are most easily controlled. Make them feel like they are "special" and part of something no one else gets to know about and they will do anything in the world to keep that feeling. I have personally dealt with three such people in the past 4 years. In all fairness, though, I wouldn't have believed people could be that way 5 years ago.
Dont forget to digg this so we can get some hype up on this matter.
Doesnt do us a lot of good to shout at each other.
This could be from someone inside the BBC that got to see this and "leaked" it out... just like all those fake OBL videos that were leaked from the CIA.
chris rogers, you know that is not how the world works. how do you screen people to tell that they won't divulge the biggest coverup in history? impossible. you can't screen people for that. people are people.
Richard, your comments are intelligent and correct. objective. but the others on this board are leaping. Darth Vader says a person would be dead if they demanded money. do i even have to respond to that? these are the types of "sound" arguments that conspiracy theorists rely on. Darth Vader, why would someone leak this info early? what would that achieve in the grand scheme of the coverup? the Manhatten Project? come on.
What is the point of this coming out? Are they really that stupid, maybe theres more yet to come.
Jeremy,
Would you hire someone to commit mass murder if you knew that they would tell the world unless you paid them to be silent? I wouldn't either.
"if i'm part of the coverup, all i say is that you better pay me $100MM or i tell all that i know."
and you would be found dead of an apparent suicide hours later. How naive are you?
Again Jeremy, the topic of discussion is why did BBC report this early? I don't know and neither do you, but speculating that it is shoddy journalism or that it was a conspiracy is useless at this point. Hopefully the BBC can clarify their source and we can get try to resolve this issue.
come on. because that's a slam dunk argument. slam dunk. nothing else needs to be said. if i'm part of the coverup, all i say is that you better pay me $100MM or i tell all that i know. multiplied by every person who was involved in the coverup (we've already established that they have no morals, right?). how many people would it take to hijack planes, set up controlled demolitions, feed information to journalists and safety personnel, etc.? give. me. a break. i hate this government as much as anyone else, but use your head. i mean, use your head.
Jeremy, start using your brain for a change. Think man THINK!!!
I would be willing to bet this BRITISH reporter has no idea what WTC7 looks like. OBVIOUSLY! She isnt reporting what she sees, shes reporting what she is TOLD to report. IE someone had already released information to them that it had collapsed. oops a lil early on that one huh? How difficult is this really to figure out?
How many people kept the manhatten project a sercret for how many years? There are coulntless other examples.
Uh Jeremy,
We proceed from the assumption (and analysis) showing that the video is REAL (ie preceeds collapse). From there you are free to draw whatever conclusions you want. The evidence shows that indeed the BBC reported on this before it happened. I don't know how it happened and I don't automatically attribute it to "conspiracy" or some such nonsense. The point is that it occured, now the question is why did the BBC report this? What was their source? It is a simple question and has nothing to do with "theory" and is a simple question that can be asked and answered without harping on about "conspiracy theories".
Update on download info:
Use ftp:// instead of http://
Sorry about that.
Download the original archived video (mpg) file from the Internet Archive FTP site.
In an FTP client use this info:
Host: http://ia311517.us.archive.org/2...109111654-1736/
Username: anonymous
Password: your email address
You'll see 3 files. The raw video archive is "V08591-16.mpg"
It is over 1GB, so it will take a while to download.
I find it interesting that the only comment made by the "you are all conspiracy nuts" is the standard (and already discredited) "this would have been way too complicated to pull off" nonsense.
I was one block away from the WTC when the planes hit. I can tell you that from that moment forward there were so many pieces of misinformation. Several buildings were reported down when I could clearly see that they were standing. Just bad journalism.
you conspiracy theorists never cease to amaze me. why would some stupid BBC journalist know this information ahead of time? what would be the purpose of that? why has no one come forward to talk about perhaps the biggest coverup the world has ever seen? how many people do you think it would take to set up this whole thing? and you're telling me that not one of those people has come forward due to guilt? or demanded extraordinary amounts of money to stay quiet? end of story. you people need to use your heads.
I think the blue thing on the left of the picture is just an opened window, and the brown thing on the right is the window-frame. But the light on her head could then be artificial.
Holy f**king crap!! downloading right now!! And i just send two e-mails to countdown and cnn!! Great Job!! Oh and excuse my bad english
Google has removed the video. That was really fast. That must be proof enough that this video is genuine.
This HAS to be the biggest smoking gun yet... Seriously, this looks to be just what the video says it is, and that won't be easy to explain away. The BBC had 3 bullet points; 1) The collapse, 2) The explanation [it had been weakened by the earlier collapses], and 3) no one was in the building. Wow...
I AM SOOOO IMPRESSED WITH YOU GUYS FOR EXAMINING THE VIDEO BEFORE CONCLUDING IT"S REAL. I never even thought about that possibility! YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME.
Please DIGG this story. If you don't have a DIGG account, it's a great chance to make one just to DIGG this story. It's quick and painless. Thank you.
http://digg.com/politics/
BBC_Rep..._Before_It_Fell
one more thing: at 16:15, there's a strange thing where she is first out of the picture and then moves in from the right
I second Mike's analysis:
1st, from the layout of the view it is clear that the camera is North of the WTC pointing south.
2nd, it is 5 pm so the sun would be setting in the west, which would be off to the RIGHT of the reporter.
3rd we can clearly see the sunlight on the right side of the reporter streaming in from the windows
4th there are no blue screen aliasing effects that are common with real time composite shots
5th she actually turns and looks towards the scene and the camera ZOOMS in. This is a complete giveaway that there is in fact NO composite shots and that it is indeed real (ie optical)
Therefore this shot is definately not studio or greenscreen but in fact a reporter standing in front of a window showing the destruction at the WTC.
I'm a recently retired cop. I always thought I was fairly good at looking for clues so here goes:
I don't believe this is a set or some kind of earlier footage playing behind the reporter. The sun lighting on the buildings are consistent with the lighting on the reporter. Both on the right side of the screen or to the left of the reporter. I believe the reporter is either standing in front of a window or in an elevator that travels the outside of a building. I lean towards believing she is in an elevator. If you look to the left of the screen (The reporters right hand side) you will see a shiny metal wall that has reflections in it. Also, behind the reporter, over her left shoulder, you will see some structure that is not part of the skyline. I believe it is part of the structure of such an elevator. If they try to explain it away as not actual footage behind the reporter, they will have a hard time given these facts.
Alex and all you 9-11 Investigators, I LOVE you!!
You guys are fantastic and I would have loved having you as a partner in my old job.
mike
ok, the light seems to be correct sunlight, and Jane even seems blinded by the light,
we need an "official explanation" for this from the BBC ASAP! but take care, they could have a good explanation, maybe time machines :f
Just so people know you need alot of artificial light on the inside to balance with the outside if you attend on shooting in front of a window during the day.
For anyone who wants to download the .flv file download I outlined below with hotdog's help is only 59 MB.
i still have no problems accessing the google video but now google will not let me login to comment, wtf! i am always logged-in to google, i have never not been able to login... it seems the ratings are fluctuating as well...
i will RAR up the divx avi i got from google and upload it to rapidshare so you all can download it... will post a link after it's done...
Using the link that h0td0g w@t3r used below, its a much faster download of you choose .flv as the file type to download, and then just download an FLV player from the internet to play it.
1. Go to http://keepvid.com/
2. Enter the full URL from this video (not copied from here)
http://video.google.ca/
videoplay...985581749234824
and press return.
3. Where it says "Download link (.flv - Flash Video)" click this one.
Much faster than the original link from the archive or downloading the .avi
Looks like "West End Julie" got "pulled" off Google. I can't spend a gig downloading the original mpeg, so if some other kind soul can do so and turn it into an AVI or DIVX, I'd be really greatful.
This is obviously a stuff-up of monumental proportions; it must be preserved!
Looks like the video was "pulled"
i dont think it was in studio or there was a green screen behind the female reporter. she points behind here indicating that she is live. also if it was in studio, why is there poor lighting on the reporter?
I'm downloading the whole original BBC footage from the internet archive. In the forty minutes since I first heard about this on Alex's show the number of total views of the video stayed at 1087 the entire time, but the number of reviews went from 133 to 163. Go figure.
We should REALLY put this on DIGG. Anyone know how?
is the light-shading of Jane authentic sunlight or is it studio-lighting?
the video hasn't been pulled yet... i have no problems accessing it... here is a direct link to it:
http://video.google.com/
videopla...985581749234824
if you want to download it as a divx avi, copy/paste the link at this site:
http://www.keepvid.com
then right-click, save as...
and then here is the link to download the original mpeg (1 gb), it is a super-slow download:
http://ia311517.us.archive.org/2...6/V08591-
16.mpg
r0ck 0n!
why was the video not saved before this was posted?
thank goodness - you managed to grab this just in the nick of time...good work guys!!
This is HUGE
Do not let this one pass by unnoticed!
How the HELL are they going to explain this one away????
Throw this one down to all of the unbelievers and watch them squirm for answers
This needs to go VIRAL on the web - send to any media e-mails you may have access to >>>
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/form...ms/form5.html?
9
countdown@msnbc.com
drudge@drudgereport.com
The only thing fake in this clip is that is says "LIVE" next to the WTC7 message. The message was "live" but the rest was old.
If it is just a studio...why is black smoke streaming from the background?
Cmon now, use some sense.
Not so fast, folks. Who says the "background" was a live picture? She could have been in a studio.
Woah! Thats really interesting.
ELLA
You're onto something. Video isn't available, but all others are loading on video.google.com. Even when you try to get to this video (direct) it won't load. Maybe we should host the video under numerous google video accounts. Or host it on pirsonplanet.com
Some will say that they knew it was weakened and was gonna come down early and they just jumped the gun... However, I havent seen concrete evidence that the damage from the tower collapses was sufficient to make WTC 7 collapse, and we all know that fires dont make buildings collapse: see Madrid burning for over 24 hours straight.
If the structure had been so badly damaged by debris, it would have been proven already. However, how could the BBC be so bad at reporting it had collapsed 30 minutes before it actually did? Thats poor, poor journalism. No matter what, we have questions.....
It's been pulled already,
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