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"The government is hiding something.Why the quick removal of evidence from the crime scene?People were sure in a hurry to clean up the site when time should've been devoted to a thorough investigation."
GEESH, COULD IT HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THERE WERE STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE MISSING?? YA THINK, DUMBASS!
AND AS FOR RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE: THAT BAND SUCKS DICK ANYWAY. IF WE'RE LUCKY, THEY WILL HATE AMERICA ENOUGH TO GET FUCKING LOST IN SOME THIRD WORLD COUNTRY AND GO FUCK THEMSELVES!
haha | 07.18.07 - 11:02 am | #
haha, as far as your first point, just plain dumb, I mean c'mon it is like you're not even trying.
As far as your second point...no comment
haha
I JUST HAVE TO COMMENT ON THIS RETARDED REMARK WAYYYY UP ABOVE...
"The government is hiding something.Why the quick removal of evidence from the crime scene?People were sure in a hurry to clean up the site when time should've been devoted to a thorough investigation."
GEESH, COULD IT HAVE BEEN BECAUSE THERE WERE STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE MISSING?? YA THINK, DUMBASS!
AND AS FOR RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE: THAT BAND SUCKS DICK ANYWAY. IF WE'RE LUCKY, THEY WILL HATE AMERICA ENOUGH TO GET FUCKING LOST IN SOME THIRD WORLD COUNTRY AND GO FUCK THEMSELVES!
"Not about Al Gore. It's about survival of the planet for our children."
And this is why/how the NWO wins. Idiots.
Commenter | 06.22.07 - 7:59 pm | #
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Again you? You a sick sad bastard. You really need to take a look at your life if posting things like that is what you are doing with it.
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Wow how gandhiesque of you, we should bow to your grat wisdom
"Not about Al Gore. It's about survival of the planet for our children."
And this is why/how the NWO wins. Idiots.
"i want to see adult man, fuk hs wife,i watch see back,his hairy balls,on the pussy,big,balls, i eat the climax,cum,while i eat his ass hole...."
Again you? You a sick sad bastard. You really need to take a look at your life if posting things like that is what you are doing with it.
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DAMN SON A BITCHIN FREAKIN NEW WORLD ORDER.
Well if it's war Paul Harvey wants, it's war he should get.
That insane old puke should be hung.
And whats the beef with boxcutters? Are you a tough guy and take down 4 armed militants who were claiming to have a bomb as well.
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I have no beef with boxcutters and I'm no tough guy but I'm not a pussy either. I just don't buy the story.Oh, and most of the hijackers are still alive but you'll contribute that to confusion and bad intelligence gathering.
If Osama did 9/11 why isn't it listed on his FBI sheet?
Workers cut the steel beams for removal?That's plausible.Amongst all the photos and video footage I haven't found one shred of evidence supporting this.
I am making my conclusions based on other sources besides PP and Loose Change.I've watched a couple of vids from Dutch demo experts,I've seen almost every video out there from 9/11 and I've poured over every site I can find.
Like you, I want answers.I think we'll have to agree to disagree.
Sorry if I offended you Anonymous, I get hot headed at times.I do aplogise and in the future I'll be more cordial.
You or someone mentioned the top of the tower tipping over.How can it possibly right itself and follow the rest of the collapse?Seems to defy logic.
The government is hiding something.Why the quick removal of evidence from the crime scene?People were sure in a hurry to clean up the site when time should've been devoted to a thorough investigation.
If the case of 9/11 was cut and dried there wouldn't be the conflict that there is with what happened that day.
Paul Harvey's statements reveal nothing more than the results of alzheimers seeping in. To think so many people listen to this poor excuse for a human being is more than I can fathom.
He obviously is in need of retirement......so he can spend time reading books such as "The People's History of America" by Howard Zinn.
It's fun to debate and kick around ideas on the internet. And yes it's useful to wake up your fellow man and woman to things that Many try and keep from them. I applaud that.
But how many here also are offering Solutions or other ways of living that do not involve being a part of this coming System of the Anti-Christ? Are people here buying LOW on the food chain, buying NO useless Wal-Mart made in China items. Buying local? Buying organic? Boycotting ALL of the major companies that support this Beast System.
If one REALLY wants to make a difference remember things like 9-11 are ECONOMIC based and the way to make change is ECONOMICALLY. STOP giving your money to the ELITISTS companies that turn around and use it to enslave you further. They want to CRUSH any last Independence, so become MORE Independent as much as you can. Raise you own food. Protect yourself. Look out for yourself and your LOCAL neighbors and form LOCAL groups to act locally FIRST.
If there is ONE thing the Elitists will have a hard time subdueing it is the banding together of LOCAL people into tight knit protective groups that rely on and help each other out WITHOUT interacting with ANY of the services supplied by The Elitists.
STOP BUYING ANYTHING MADE IN CHINA OR OUTSOURCED. STOP GIVING MONEY TO TRAITORS THAT HAVE SOLD OUT YOUR COUNTRY! LET THEM ALL EAT THEIR MADE IN CHINA OUTSOURCED JUNK, AND LET IT ROT AND RUST ON THE SHELVES. MAKE THIS YOUR MANTRA AND PASS IT ON!
DR.RON PAUL IN 2008!!!
T.A.
Why did the towers fall at freefall speed, as if you through a penny off the top? Derrrr.
How fast should they have fallen?
Why are there blast shoots comming out of the sides of the building on its way down?
Breaking windows, compressed air. Buildings are mostly air.
Why where there massive explosions heard from the base of the Trade Centre complex?
Transformers, concrete, bodies, maybe cars too?
Why did Building 7 collapse at all?
Thousands of tons of debris from the N tower falling from 50 stories up gutted the inside and exterior and took its legs out. Fires. Questionable construction.
a derrrr
Ow wow, I didn't realize that Mr. Paul talked about getting rid of the IRS and inflation last night. Cool.
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Alex and his British accent..........
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It just goes to show that no one is going to save us but ourselves.
Shit, Gravel didn't want to jail Cheney? Ah well fuck that then. Yah after I wrote that I watched again the video of him in the Dem Debate, and when he said with conviction that "We have no enemies", it showed that he knows that Al-Queda is a farce. So we got Ron Paul who won't say anything in public about 9/11. And now we got Mike Gravel who won't say anything about 9/11. And they both know. They both at one point owned up to their knowledge about the NWO. Ron Paul in congress about the Fed a few months ago, and Gravel about the MIC. So either they are scared to say something about 9/11. Or they are misjudging what is important and putting the presidency above 9/11 Truth. And I just really don't think that that is going to work for them. The power of the NWO is too much for either of them without doing that. Suppression of their exposure in the media. Election rigging. And the last resort of quiet or overt assassination if they win and really want to make change. Besides, there is no guarantee that if either of them got into office that they would make any real changes. To me, someone who doesn't align themselves with 9/11 Truth in public doesn't have the ability to stand up to the bankers and do what it would take to make real changes anyway. But after all that I would still like either of them to win before any of the others. All of that is really easy for me to say. I probably wouldn't have the guts to debate 9/11 Truth in public as a presidential candidate. But it's the only thing I think will work.
and by the way, they say a flak vest will stop most small arms fire--do you want to test it out?
Would you like to test out a cars airbags?
Its a hell of a way to learn and tell you what, there wont be many more highrises constructed in the way WTC was.
Anonymous | 05.03.07 - 11:27 pm | #
I guess you don't watch your local news and see the police surviving BECAUSE of those flak jackets huh!?!?!?
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And I AM a scientist who disagrees with the above comments about the firemen cutting the girders. Did you notice that these same girders where at the edges to the street and there was NOT a connecting piece or a crane holding any thing that resembled a connecting piece or the other half. Seems they did not have time to cut it and haul it away too the day of the collapse when so much had to be assessed before demonlition an removal of evidence began. Oh yeah did you think about how they did not investigate the damage on site to make a complete determination to the "pancake" action never seen in the history of skyscrapers?
Guess not and I predict you will not be able to handle the answer without quoting from Faux Fox news.
convince him to work on the Federal Reserve and the CIA afterwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...?v=9...related&
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I'm moreso under the impression this old guy knows exactly whats going on but is saying what he can get away with regarding suppression and sheeple. same old business as usual disgusting neocon/NWO/corporate/MIC machine it was when he skipped the scene. obvious hes oldster but IQ gotta be triple what we got now. I disagree his position about cheney, jail that monster!! but old gravel looking pretty good.
OMG, Alex just did the best impression of the Queen of England on his show. lol.
Yah and then acetone will be $50 dollars a bottle and girls won't be able to get the nail polish off their fingers.
Hey guys, listen to this interview of Wolf Blitzer with Mike Gravel. Blitzer is being a complete asshole at every turn, but Mike holds his own. Gravel is naive and has everything backwards about Al-Qaeda. But the really interesting thing about this is that whether he confused or not, his plan would be a good start in the middle east, no matter if it was the CIA or a real terrorist doing the act. Listen to how he explains things. In the fake world that he lives in, his idea works for all of us. The priority being to stand down an aggressive posture. He says that even if "Al-Queda" did nuke an American city, retaliating with nukes and blowing up half the world trying to kill someone in a cave would not be the answer. So even if the CIA nukes us, he won't go bomb the middle east. Meanwhile the rest of us are waking up and we could convince him to work on the Federal Reserve and the CIA afterwards.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9...related&
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I can see it now, A run on Acetone.
Marcianne | 05.04.07 - 11:46 am | #
personally I think most politicians should travel by hot air balloon because it'd be really economical.
I can see it now, A run on Acetone.
Yah, you gotta love how they set up that camera to catch the impact of Flight 175.
Two Points-First,the first plane crash was on closed circuit TV. Bush could not see it.(So he allready knew it was going to happen) Second-the book "My Pet Goat" he was reading was upside down which for most people would be damning. Maybe not Bush
You know, maybe the 2nd plane DID take down the building.
this video, taken by a manequin, may just be what we needed to " wake up "
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J...related&
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Check out the size of the plane. left side screen at 22 seconds-
George H.W. Bush, who was then Ronald Reagan's vice president: "I will never apologize for the United States of America. I don't care what the facts are," said Bush in response to the atrocity. British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher weighed in--Me To !
God ! must read this article-----http://www.antiwar.com/orig/
constantino.php?articleid=10913
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/52...gas_mileage_2x/
was just dumb luck it popped up after the fastest shooter video was done playing BUT... thats about a must see with the darn price of gas right now.. spam/post it around !!
http://www.prisonplanet.com/
arti...0507Privacy.htm
Bush Wants Phone Firms Immune to Privacy Suits
Ellen Nakashima
Washington Post
Friday May 04, 2007
-- uhh, howbout we tap all HIS phones and be immune to any regulation or retaliation, being its ALL LEGAL now, the decider said so !!
That's a great trick to add Acetone to your gas to increase milage, Sees Things. Thank you. 
POTUS learned of the 9-11 attacks on the Golf Course from Poppy, weeks if not months before 9-11. So of course on 9-11, he was allowed to read "My Pet Goat" and even a CBS news producer learned of the attacks before HE WAS NOTIFIED THAT THEY HAD TAKEN PLACE AS PLANNED, because he was on camera and really had no need to know of the exact time. The delay also illustrates that SEVERAL things went wrong with the plan, and he of all people needed to know the least of this at that time.
The reason why they were flying around is not because AF1 was a target; they always knew AF1 was not a target, but they were scrambling to "save the mission" and keep him incommunicado because of the failure of the Sarin cannisters in Flight 93 and having to blow it apart in the sky instead of having it hit the White House as originally planned. They wanted him out of the picture until they could concoct and dissemniate a revamped official story about Flight 93, which Rumsfeld himself slipped and admitted had been shot down.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/52...gas_mileage_2x/
help put it to the big oil, help yourself too.
Chris. The only way that I have thought of to avoid armed revolution is an online petition for citizens arrest of 911 suspects, and an agreement of the people to outlaw secrecy in the government- inclucing secret societies. We would need 51% of America to sign the petition, then we could get the military to back us in a march on Washington DC to perform the arrest. Unfortunately, I don't see this happening. But I've always got my guns, and a couple nuts. (smile)
Chris Jones. I was not trying to imply that every war America fights is just. In fact, it seems the only just war we ever fought was the Revolutionary War. That was the point I was making. America is a great and prosperous nation because men resisted tyranny. And it also helped that Canada is mild, and the Mexicans were our only hostile neighbors. However, all of the wars following the Spanish American were basically Illuminati deceptions. That is why we must join together to fight tyranny once more. Or there isn't going to be a future for the poor or the middle class. Unless it's one of rape, torture, surveillance, imprisonment, indentured servitude, genocide, and mass brainwashing.
THE OFFICIAL STORY.
The official story is that some people will do anything they can to avoid the truth. They will ignore FACTS. They will claim science, even though there are contradicting, or no real facts to support it. The question is, why?
PLAUSIBLE REASON #1: They WANT the official story to be true. People who fit this description are those who have a lot to lose, or who are benefiting in some form or another off of the current system, and or state of affairs. If they were forced to acknowledgment of the truth, then it would present extremely terrifying consequences for them. In the fact that they would have to acknowledge a renegade and wholly corrupted government, and would have no other recourse than to risk their lives in fulfilling their duty and responsibility to uphold the Constitution against known domestic enemies, and infiltrators of our government.
PLAUSIBLE REASON #2: They haven't researched the evidence enough. For whatever reason, and there are many, some people just have not done a thorough investigation from ALL sources and points of available view.
PLAUSIBLE REASON #3: They are just stupid. Yes, it's true. Some people are just stubborn, bullheaded idiots. Many people will believe WHATEVER THEY SEE OR READ in the mainstream media AS IF IT WERE THE PHYSICAL WORD OF GOD DESCENDING FROM THE SKY. They immediately believe that since they heard it from the mainstream media- it must be true! Other stupid people don't even UNDERSTAND WHY THEY SHOULD CARE, as they spend their time watching moronic tv shows, attending endless sporting events, going to numerous meaningless family functions, carousing, cavorting, watching porn, playing an excessive amount of video games, or doing any of the million things provided for us to become the mindless Gerbils indoctrinated into the total control and surveillance brainwashing Matrix.
PLAUSIBLE REASON #4: They truly believe the official story. This class of people is those who have done some research, and yet still find themselves supporting the official story. These people are extremely disturbing, in the respect that they will seem to present facts, science, times, data, logic, common sense, and sound reason. Although what they say can sound good, and or partially reasonable, upon careful scrutiny of their statements in relation to the known facts surrounding 911- Once again their entire thesis "Pancakes" like an unsupported house of cards blown by the stronger winds of truth, facts, diligent and thorough research, context clues, and sound logic.
PLAUSIBLE REASON #5: They are "IN ON IT". These people are part of the conspiracy. They may just have first or second hand knowledge of it, but for whatever reason refuse to go public. More so, however, are the perpetrators. This includes a wide list of sordid "characters". Treasonous politicians, secret society elitists, ultra wealthy globalists, demolitions crews, fake witnesses, unscrupulous business men, lying mainstream media culprits, CIA assets, etc. Why these people support the Official Story (And I stress STORY), should be self explanatory.
*WARNING*- If you should encounter any of these 5 classes of individuals, approach with extreme caution. Do not make any sudden gestures or movements. Refrain from actions which provoke agitation, or promote conflict. Attempt to engender and project a demeanor of sympathy, empathy, and compassion. When you reach an area of safety, immediately phone Alex Jones to report the incident.
Fastest Shooter ever.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/21...t_shooter_ever/
Gabe.
I agree Biblical David, is the most interesting in the old testiment. Unfortunetly he was backed by a famous profit,hand picked, and given full freedom in the Kings palace, even to the point of council and confidant.
We, the people of this land are not, this benefit is soley for the politicians in place.
The white house , the spearhead of the regime, to include its elititists, have not given and will not give citizens a second look in regards to their plans, and ongoing abomination.
Be assured, oue military is dispersed, therfor other means of control are needed should citizens hit hard times and revolt, or for that matter speak out against. The USA is their gem, their diamond, their treasure, the base to make fortunes. They will not allow a small percent of Citz. to endganger their profit, or to erode their power in any form.
They have sophisticated weaponry, and the manpower to use it.& They will.
If gov. Agents find my words illegal on fine day, they will have to end my life, I will not submit. However I would think seriously that a armed revolt would give these Elitists even more power over our citizens than they have now, power & control.
Armed confrontation by patriotic Americans could very well be their goal.
Grow up and read at least one history book about how many of your relatives and mine died from government in the last 100 yrs alone
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In responce, you attest to being an advocate of history and how and why Americans died fighting for this country within the past hundred years.
Fill me in will you, in Vietnam 4 million civilians were killed, 2M in the north and 2M in the south. Aproximetly 60,000 tropps (Americans sons killed also).
What for??? In retropspect almost each president warned us from Lincoln to Eisenhower the dangers of the MIC,( thats the companys that produce war machine and material that are necessary). It might suprise you to know that these corporations acquired fortunes. Including Mrs. Lydon B. Johnson who held the controlling interest of Sea and land Trailer shipping. About a1.8 Million per day. I was in Vietnam, I know good men who died during this war. They knew they were not there to protect America, they were there for the profits the elite gained from the war.
Iraq was invaded, a sovereign nation, 600,000 civilians died to date becasue of this, what was the reason, do you know? The search for WMD's, those laboratories for chemical destruction and nuclear. Those issues on the news each night, Collins and the regime were spouting about, despite the fact investigators prior to this move, never found evidence of any..There were none my freind. Then why are we there? Do you beleive we are protecting America from WMD's if none were found. I suggest you put asside for a moment you history books and think about money, power, and the act of control. a basic common sence few hours, add up the nuimbers and justify you oppinion. Our Gov. are basicaly wealthy individuals, who dominate our land and its people. Behind them a re the corp. Giants and the Elite. They do want the war in Iraq to go on as long as possible, fortunes and power are the works. The are the masters of human nature and use it to their own gain. We, are the peons, as I heard a congressmans say, the little people, commoners, pissants. in other words cannon fodder. History has been manipulted to serve the casue of whatever Gov. controls the content. Please, read between the lines, and search up presidential quotes, we were warned.
Keep in mind the innocents, the infants and children being turned into bloody rags, 600,000 now, justify this for me please, WMD's.
You are not the only citizen who has lost family in war, it could be its time to sk why, remember if there was no profit in war, there would be no war.
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And Jake. Attacking others, for whatever reason? What kind of 501c3 tax exempt "30 pieces of silver" Christian corporate drivel is that? This sort of PUSSIFIED diluted view of Christianity is exactly the format the New World Order has promoted. They want to brainwash society on a mass scale into believing that Christians should never resort to violence, be angry, or get involved.
The Bible is chalk full of heroes who stood up to evil. Was Samuel "The fucking enemy" when he hewed Agag in pieces before the Lord in Gilgal? Was David "The fucking enemy" when he slayed Goliath and tens of thousands of other evil men? What of Joshua? What of Gideon? What of Samson? What of Elijah? Did they not KILL?
God commands us to kill perpetrators of gross evil in Leviticus and Deuteronomy. I'm not talking about stoning the local prostitute either.
"Think not that I am come to destroy the Law,"- Jesus Christ
"The only thing necessary for evil men to prevail, is for good men to do nothing."- Edmund Burke
And by the way Jake, if you don't appreciate what the soldiers who fought, KILLED, and died did for you- then you should consider moving to a 3rd world communist dictatorship.
Jake. Trusting in Jesus does not mean that we just sit back and expect him to do everything for us. God gave you a brain to think. God gave you muscles to work. God made the tree, but we must pick the fruit. God gives you information to teach, so that you may learn, and plan. God gave (some of us) a good heart, so that we would love what is right, and despise the evil. God gives us the ability to acquire weapons, so that we may defend ourselves and the innocent (King David, sword/sling ring a bell?). The Bible is a call to action, not pacifism. Countless scriptural references to support.
Another poll on MSNBC where Ron's holding his own.
Live Vote
Who stood out from the pack? * 30945 responses Sam Brownback3.2% , Jim Gilmore1.6%, Rudy Giuliani17%, Mike Huckabee4.5%, Duncan Hunter2.3%, John McCain10%, Ron Paul27%, Mitt Romney27%, Tom Tancredo3.2%, Tommy Thompson4.2%
Who showed the most leadership qualities? * 30574 responses Sam Brownback3%, Jim Gilmore2.2%, Rudy Giuliani19%, Mike Huckabee4.4%, Duncan Hunter2.5%, John McCain14%, Ron Paul22%, Mitt Romney24%,
Tom Tancredo3%, Tommy Thompson4.4%
Who was the most convincing candidate? * 30439 responses Sam Brownback3.7%, Jim Gilmore2.1%, Rudy Giuliani17%, Mike Huckabee5.2%, Duncan Hunter2.6%, John McCain12%, Ron Paul25%, Mitt Romney25%, Tom Tancredo3.4%, Tommy Thompson4.6%
Who had the most rehearsed answers? * 29915 responses Sam Brownback4.8%,Jim Gilmore2%, Rudy Giuliani22%, Mike Huckabee2.9%, Duncan Hunter2.1%,John McCai30%, Ron Paul5.3%, Mitt Romney23%, Tom Tancredo2.8%, Tommy Thompson4.9%
Who avoided the questions? * 29041 responses
Sam Brownback6.6%,Jim Gilmore3.8%, Rudy Giuliani34%, Mike Huckabee3.9%, Duncan Hunter3.5%,John McCain18%, Ron Paul5.8%, Mitt Romney13%,Tom Tancredo4.7%,Tommy Thompson6.4%
Who had the best one-liner? * 29192 responses
Sam Brownback3.9%,Jim Gilmore2%, Rudy Giuliani15%, Mike Huckabee8.3%, Duncan Hunter2.7%,John McCain16%, Ron Paul23%, Mitt Romney18%,Tom Tancredo4.7%,Tommy Thompson6.2%
You do realize that when you find the truth, your ego must die? You do realize that when you talk about Jesus and getting your guns and survival rations ready, you are NOT trusting in Jesus, but in your own strength? You do realize that when you attack others, for whatever reason, you are the f**king enemy? You do realize that absolutely no one is secure in this world and everyboy's life is on the line? You do realize this stuff, right?
Thats why it's so important that everyone keep the vote up on him for these debates. They didn't even interview him afterwards. I couldn't believe it when Keith Olberman stated Ron Paul was leading the MSNBC poll, that's when I went and voted, and emailed everyone I know to do the same. The blog on their debate page is Hot for Ron 500 votes since my last post and Ron still at 41% no one is gaining. VOTE!!
For those of you who are still entertaining idiotic notions like, "It collapsed cause it couldn't hold the weight.", I would like to bring it to your attention that the same "weight" had been held every day since the towers were built.
Also, notice that the airplanes didn't even make the towers move an inch. There is no visual evidence of instability on the films. The towers were built to withstand earthquakes, and two airliner hits a piece.
Free fall speed?
50ft. demolition squibs visible 5 stories below the collapse line?
Multiple witness testimony of "explosions"?
An instantaneous Mt. st Helens like disintegrated dust wave?
Construction girders steel are formed at 2,700 degrees farenheit.
WTC7 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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First EVER collapses due to fire? In a few hours?
The only "PANCAKE" collapsing is the governments official lie.
Yah everyone seemed to love Mr. Paul on the internet. I'm glad. I know he or Mr. Gravel would be much better presidents than anyone else. But I just don't have much faith that either of them will be able to do anything until people are woken up. Just my opinion. I'm very happy tho that he is doing well. It pissed me off so much when I listened to moderator Chris Matthiews take on it afterwards and he didn't even mention Ron Pauls name. Those guys are trying so hard to ignore him or trip him up.
This Katrina video is pretty sick. Shows how clearly Bush wanted those people to die.
http://video.google.ca/
videoplay...un+confiscation
This seems like a good site. Up to date news on what our governments are and aren't doing.
http://www.freepressinternational.com/
BBC=NAZI
Kelly E. Griffin | 05.04.07 - 3:21 am | #
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Na mate, I'm just enjoying some recreation, and letting the Government Jism-swallowing bitches know, they are busted, and that their posting on a site above thier comprehension.
Wow ............not sure what else to say about such intelligent productine rhetoric.
It amazes why anyone wastes the time to argue with someone that posts as Anonymous?? I'm sure your the same Anonymous from England that just comes here and complains and trys to agitate truthseekers. What amazes me is your actually able to get under peoples skin that they waste such energy trying to argue with you much less resort to getting into a tongue lashing contest with you to see who can type worse insults at each other. Keep you focus people, the prize is to take the power back from the NWO.
Ron Paul is still holding at 41% Romney 33% Gulliani 22% McCain 20% Huckabee 17% closing in on 17,000 votes.
Anonymous | 05.04.07 - 3:09 am | #
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haha, did I hit home, you bitch, go back to hell, from where your were spawned, you spillage licker.
Or perhaps your IQ isn't high enough to be a Beelzebub Corperation spillage licker yet.
Loose change is the biggest piece of shit ever recorded!
They do not even have a clue. Retards!
Look it up. They dont know what they are talking about. Its all there. You have to see it for yourselves.
Screw loose change bitch. I think thats the name actually you blood cunt smellinmg cock whore son of a bitch bastard. Motherfucking piss ant wanker.
Those quiffs dont kknow shit!
Sucka born. Go fuck your mother. You dick licker.
How should a collapsign skyscraper look? Please explain it to me. Thanks.
Anonymous | 05.04.07 - 2:57 am | #
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You cunt bitch, and you smell.
Na, you go research, Dr Stephen Jones, the Film Loose Change 2nd edition.
That will answer all your bitch questions.
Insurgents 'right to take on US'
BBC
Thursday May 03, 2007
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Beelzebub Corporation, likes to use the term Insurgents.
Hey BBC, are you fucking stupid, They would be called,
FREEDOM-FIGHTERS
REBELS
IRAQI'S
CHILDREN
WOMEN
men
Do you get it you lieing fascist NAZI's
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/
theed...nspiracy_2.html
uuhh hey yea everyone. Heres a script of what going to happen. These are your cues. ok. Everyone got that....And never forget, dont tell anyone . he he he.
Use what God gave you between your shoulders for Christ's sake.
Free fall? ok mr. smartypants tell us how it should have looked. Please include as much detail as possible. Figures or calculations might be a nice start.
How should a collapsign skyscraper look? Please explain it to me. Thanks.
why? Why indeed.
When the top went so did everything else. It could not hold it.
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Are you some sort of cunt. You must be fucking stupid, then.
Why did the towers fall at freefall speed, as if you through a penny off the top? Derrrr.
Why are there blast shoots comming out of the sides of the building on its way down?
Why where there massive explosions heard from the base of the Trade Centre complex?
Why did Building 7 collapse at all?
And why did the BBC not report it to the massas, only talking about it on the day. Actually they reported the WTC7 collapse 1/2 hour before it collapsed.
I'll tell you why, because if people had seen that WTC7 building collapse on the day, everyone would have known on the day it was an inside job.
You must be a bitch who's bleeding, cos thats they sort of statement comming from a bitch.
You just provoking truth freedom fighters. You better pray to god you don't get discovered, cos the creature is the only one who will save you, you stinking bitch.
If you or anyone is going to say everything is fake or bs whats the point?
The buildings are 1.4 mile high. That is the weakest point. The top not the bottom.
When the top went so did everything else. It could not hold it.
They were viscious hits. Let me tell you. If you notice the tower that fell first took a much "better" hit. Like taking it in the chest instead of the head.
Anonymous | 05.04.07 - 12:49 am |
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Yes , the second hit does look vicious.From that one film. That one fim that has been 'missing in action' for 6 years. I am thinking Zapruder. I am thinking ' doctored '
Still, how do you explain the building falling into itself as if the plane had rammed into its base? (and would have had to ram at intervals all the way up the length of it too) look at the size of the rest of the building that was not damaged ? You cannot explain how it blew apart and into itself. Can't you see that most of the building is fine , even after the second impact? And the way it disintegrates and rolls downward as it is caving in, so much dust - how is that possible ? It's not.
These two fims just convinced me even more of what a bloody hoax 911 was.
I noticed on the last anniversary of 911 when they were airing the footage again that they kept showing only the parts that were on fire and they were showing it very close up , zooming in and holding it there like those buildings were only 20 stories high altogether. Its insulting .
Notice Ron Paul was the only candidate to not play on Reagan like the Media did all day
Another funny poll on CNN how many times Reagan was used, others had Gulliani with more than all others put together.
The 'Gipper' Ticker: 9:05 p.m. ET
An unofficial count of the number of times the candidates refer to "Ronald Reagan," "President Bush" or "The Reagan Library"
Ronald Reagan President Bush The Reagan LibraryGiuliani 4 0 0McCain 2 0 0Romney 2 1 1Brownback 1 0 1Paul 0 0 0Tancredo 1 1 0Thompson 3 0 0Gilmore 1 1 2Huckabee 1 1 1Hunter 1 0 0
-- CNN’s Cody Combs
Posted 5/03/2007 09:05:00 PM | Permalink
Someone's voting over 11000 votes and Ron Paul still at 43% to Romneys 35% at MSNBC. If if you don't beleve in either party anymore or just the Democratic Party it would be in everyones best interest to keep Ron Paul in the Media Limelight so they can't silence his message. If your really serious about fighting the NWO then take some action!!
In that first clip you can see the top portion tilt towards the left before the fore and smoke cover it up.
It was bad. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise.
The buildings were huge, yes and tv doesnt exactly show the incredible amount of damage and impact that took place.
The fires were roughly 15-20 acres large. The context is scewed somewhat but these are two clips that you might want to take a look at.
The first one is rather rare from what the poster says, and ive never seen it until recently.
The second one was on local news and is slowed down. so you can break down what really went on when it hit.
Neither are longer than 2 mins.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J...related&
search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X...related&
search=
and just to add, there are more "experts" on the other side of the fence.
They were viscious hits. Let me tell you. If you notice the tower that fell first took a much "better" hit. Like taking it in the chest instead of the head.
I just reposted comments from another comment area, as there seems to be more activity here. If you believe in fighting the NAU, Federal Reserve, and IRS, National ID cards, you need to go vote for Ron Paul now! 9000 votes Ron's holding @ 44% Romney still @ 34% We gotta keep him in the Medias eye so he can really get a chance to get the message out there. Time to step up to the plate and do what we can when we can.
Interestingly enough Ron Paul has the lowest Negative rating at 26% with Romney behind again at 36%, and Huckabee actually close here at 38%.
After you vote you have to click back on debate link, then back on Rate candidates link to get the updated vote counts. VOTE now!!
Its a hell of a way to learn and tell you what, there wont be many more highrises constructed in the way WTC was.
Anonymous | 05.03.07 - 11:27 pm
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Anon , I appreciate your kind ' tone' but I must tell you I don't trust it. You are trying the non-combative approach ?.
I watched hours of those planes hitting the building. I watched the fuel fireball away right after impact. Even if those planes were full of fuel , it would not have been plentiful enough to run down anything or the type of fuel hot enough to melt it after the burnoff.
Look at the size of that little plane in comparison to the huge structure . Even if the fireball didn't burn off most of the fuel .Sorry. Iam not buying. Common sense and a thousand experts won't let me.
http://www.grandtheftcountry.com...rs/
jetfuel.html
8000 Votes and RON PAUL is holding strong with 46% to 34% for Romney. VOTE @ MSNBC NOW
Every one needs to go to www.msnbc.com and go to the debate section and vote for Ron Paul. He was leading when I voted at just under 3000 votes by 39& to 38% fot Romney. By the time I left to come here he was leading 47% to 35% over Romney no one else was close at 7000 votes. Go to MSNBC click on the Debate link, click on the "Rate the Debate" link. You will have to log on or create a new account like I did to be able to vote. I sent a message to AJ tips line to put out a BREAKING NEWS article to get everyone on top of this ASAP so we can keep him in the top and get the message out.
God bless you all, and especally thank you to Marcianne for directing me to the CTC Cracking the code at www.losthorizons.com website for the best way to control our tax money and limit the governments spending.
Keep up the faith, Ron Paul can win in 2008.
Correction: "....and noT post the article itself?"
No problem Tim.
There are a growing number of hoaxers out there and fortunately we don't think like they do so ......
Those links seemed to like Ron Paul. Will check out Gravel though.
Wish I had been home to see the debate. I was out driving a money loan to a Dentist. The IRS took her money because she fell behind on her back - tax payments. A dentist. Her car was on empty and she was afraid to not get to work.
Somehow, somehow I just get the feeling that it is not what the founders had in mind for us.
Then to find this page full of government/911 appologists. There are no words for the rage inside of me right now.
Shit I even miss some of Wolf's posts...where's he been for so long?
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Hey, "Numbers", thanks for the "vote of confidence" ( I think? At least I've gotten one from one person, eh? , I've been around but negligent in checking to see when P.P. changed the link to Page 13 and then Page 14, so I was still posting to Page 12. I didn't think they'd change over to Pages 13 and now 14 so soon. Also, Kurt Nimmo hasn't had any articles I felt were worthy enough to post here since the last one I posted on Page 12; but it looks like I may post his latest one, dated today, after I finish reading it and checking it out. Of course, anyone reading this can "jump my gun" and go to it now if they want; I'll even help with a link to it; and perhaps if everyone is lucky, I will only give the link to it and now post the article itself? :p Cheers, everyone; and thank you for ending the attacks, I'm truly appreciative of that. ::
http://www.kurtnimmo.com/?p=854
ONLY True Peace,
Kells: It wasnt only fire. Hello is this thing on.
Anyone out there.
As for the 707 and multiple planes evidently he was mistaken, but in fairness peoples concerns were accidently being struck by a plane.
Not deliberate pedal to the medal.
I believe, not sure but I believe calculations were based on approach speeds or bad weather, fog, rain clouds type of things, these fucks had that shit floored. Also, again not sure but would like to know about fuel levels.
one more thing. The steel did not melt. It became hot enough to wilt and become pliable.
Ask any blacksmith how something is forged.
Once the above floors let go there was no stopping it. It was a massive, global structural
failure.
and by the way, they say a flak vest will stop most small arms fire--do you want to test it out?
Would you like to test out a cars airbags?
Its a hell of a way to learn and tell you what, there wont be many more highrises constructed in the way WTC was.
Sorry Kells, I guess that Ron Paul thing was a hoax. It looked like a credible source where I got it from too. I guess I should have read the his campaign letter I signed up on. Did any see the RNC debate tonight? I didn't think Mr. Paul did very well in the clip I saw. He was nervous and sitting on the fence in regards to the war. I think he's the best republican out there, but there is something that really bugs me about him. I think it's the fence sitting and the fact that he's putting the election ahead of publicly aligning himself with 9/11 Truth. Even if he won the election he won't be able to do shit until the majority of people are woken up. He'd be stonewalled at every turn if he doesn't mysteriously die of a heart attack first. He has his priorities backwards. 9/11 Truth first. Presidential campaign 2nd. Here is a clip and a review of his performance.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/20...rvative-values/
http://www.thebluestate.com/
2007...lue_state_.html
Meanwhile Mike Gravel is taking a different approach and talking about legalizing drugs and only talking about the war when asked, and he's clear about the military-industrial crap that's going on and we need to get out of the war. He seems much more confident. I don't know about his views on a lot of things yet, but he seems like he knows what he wants. I'm not so sure about Paul.
Professor Jonathan Barnett was a core member of the ASCE/FEMA Building Performance Assessment Team which concluded that fire alone could not have lead to the total collapse of the World Trade Center towers.
In the documentary World Trade Center: Anatomy of the Collapse, Jonathan Barnett, Professor of Fire Protection Engineering at the Worcester Polytechnic Institute states, "When steel is bare -- when it heats up -- it gets weaker. It's not that it melts in a fire, in fact, fires--normal fires--are not hot enough to melt steel. Even if you were, for example, to use an unusual fuel -- like kerosene -- you cannot achieve temperatures hot enough to melt steel." He then adds, "In over 20 years I have not seen -- until recently -- a protected steel structure that has collapsed in a fire."
Professor Barnett also appeared in PBS/Nova's Why The Towers Fell, and stated: "We have a long history of successful steel construction in this country and, in fact, the world. And one of the great successes is that under normal fire conditions we don't have building collapse. In fact, until 9/11, I was unaware of any protected steel structure that had collapsed anywhere in the world from just a fire."
(READ FEMA.gov: FEMA Publication 403, World Trade Center Building Performance Study: Data Collection, Preliminary Observations, and Recommendations )
Why ?
Because I bet on science, evidence and fact. Good luck Junior
pray.........
In regards to the Towers' immense solid steel construction, Frank A. DeMartini, Manager of WTC Construction & Project Management stated in an interview back in January 2001:
"The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners, because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door - this intense grid - and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting"
Frank DeMartini died on September 11th a hero. After accompanying his wife down 88 flights of stairs from his office in the North Tower, he went back up with fellow WTC worker Pablo Ortiz and rescued over 70 people. DeMartini and Ortiz - both 49 years of age - perished in the collapse of the North Tower.
http://www.grandtheftcountry.com.../
demartini.html
...it came crashing down because of the damage from the plane, which you people always omit when you say fire didnt bring those buildings down. its was a 170 ton, thats TON aircraft flying at approx 500 mph. Then the fire, shifted loads, weakening trusses bowing in of columns.
Thats why it collapsed.
and I read that link also, it was from a fire Chief with more years experience than you are probably onm this earth. I would take it with more than a grain.
Sure, I think I can help. The angle cuts were from iron workers after the collapse. They cut them to remove the debris.
The steel core came down with the rest. The collapse started because the outer support columns bowed inwards. This is clearly seen and documented andywhere from 25 inches up to 55 inches or thereabouts. It basically fell into itself and came crashing down. Dont forget it had a giant roof too.
And whats the beef with boxcutters? Are you a tough guy and take down 4 armed militants who were claiming to have a bomb as well.
Sure, we can just boooo science and say fuck the official report I know what happened.
I know, it sucks America took a nap and got fucked by some dipshits who dont like us. But lets blame the govt instead. Did you forget about wtc1(fake)Embassy bombings(fake) USS Cole(fake)
Binladen declaring war on america (fake) Calling us pussies who were unprepared to fight?(fake)
Killing US Marines(fake)
Yeah it fucking sucks and it sucks more it took this long to do something. I put (fake) to save you the trouble. And please, spare me your official story. Better yet, find me two ACT's that dont contradict eachother.
I bet on science, evidence and fact. Good luck Junior.
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I don't buy in to fires bringing down the towers and perhaps you can explain the photos of beams with angular cuts and hardened melted steel/slag.If fires caused the supposed pancake collapse what happened to the steel core?
Near free fall speed and total dessimation from top floor fires?Pleassssse spare me the official report, I have it in pdf.
You post a link to NIST?Sorry, I don't believe in fairy tales.
spam it to friends, post other places too
http://globalplantation.org/aj_radio/
Puis, les guh, pourquoi on commence un aut' page quand le douze n'est pas plein?
for people without radio, download and listen
http://globalplantation.org/aj_radio/
C'est plat les guh. Ou est les nouvelles? Qu'est ce que tout le monde a pense de la histoire de la Russe dont Alex a raconte aujourd'hui? C'etait bon. J'ai beaucoup appris. Alors...... qu'est on va faire? Un jeu?
This is much shorter. Please read.
http://vincentdunn.com/wtc.html
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Thanks for link but an unworthy read in my opinion.The word "probably" is used and no different than "should have".Pancake theory is used and discounted by many.
You shouldn't assume what I do or do not know.
I don't buy in to fires bringing down the towers and perhaps you can explain the photos of beams with angular cuts and hardened melted steel/slag.If fires caused the supposed pancake collapse what happened to the steel core?
Near free fall speed and total dessimation from top floor fires?Pleassssse spare me the official report, I have it in pdf.
You post a link to NIST?Sorry, I don't believe in fairy tales.
Osama did it, Saddam did it.Iraq had WMDs.19 highjacker with box cutters simultaneously took over four airliners,flew unhindered and hit three targets all in the same day.
And fires made three bulidings collapse.......into a tidy pile.
You believe what you want to and I'll believe what my instincts tell me.
AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH
Al Gore's 20 room private mansion uses 20 times the national US average of gas and electricity. As Gore lavishes himself in his heated swimming pool, poor people and the middle class await the onslaught of "carbon taxes" to eviscerate any disposable income they have left.
My brain feels like a 5 year olds etch-a-sketch.
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Ain't it the truth! Pol's? Worthless as tits on a Bull!
On the Bee decline. I'm wondering. Are the Bees colonizing back in the Wild?Leaving the pre -fabricated hives for more natural settings?
Maybe we aren't looking at a Bee die off. But a bee expansion? Has anyone taken the time to go look?
Because if these colonies are/have been growing in size? And their natural selection might have kicked in for a more natural setting.
Well? They have to go somewhere.
So, in conspiracy world 'I doubt it' means the View refuses to have someone on?
Read This http://www.digg.com/
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a.m.f'r
sounds like you have pinned up rage
i like it
the trick is
being smarter than the bank
im not that good
but it can be done
legally
bob dillinger had his day in the sun
baby face nelson
bonnie and clyde
the two guys in california in kevlar
Firstly I strongly believe the Bush regime along with Israeli and other intel agency's were behind 9/11.
However I believe that Bush was honest when he said he saw a plane crash into the tower before he went into the classroom. I believe it wasn't the first one though .... I believe it was actually the second one ... live though and he assumed it was the first one... remember Bush isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Andrew Card came over to let Bush know about the second plane hit after it was confirmed .
Slayed,
Check out the thread with jj and I and you will understand more about my thoughts and what is behind them:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments.../?
a=50431#71601
Interesting sane and it makes me understand where you come from better on things. Thanks. I still may be a doubting thomas but I have something to chew on for a day or so.
I will be back!
Page 299:
>>>>>>CONCLUSION
In his original foundations for the Bavarian Illuminati, officially instituted by Adam Weishaupt on May 1,1776, his stated purposes were good: "Princes and nations will disappear...Reason will be the only code of man." Weishaupt recognized no divine power outside of Man, and often referred to "...Nature and Nature's God".
The original purposes of the Declaration of Independence stated by Thomas Jefferson and other American revolutionaries, on Jury 4, 1776—only two months after Weishaupt's declaration—were good, also referring to "...Nature and Nature's God", just as Weishaupt had done.
The original purposes of Michael Bakunin, in the founding of his Internationale (the Alliance Internationale Sociale Democratique), in Switzerland, in 1864, was good...seeking an instrument to destroy the tyranny of the confiscatory state, and motivated by a genuine horror of his own experiences under despotism.
The original purposes of Theodor Hertzl, in calling together the first International Zionist Congress, of March, 1897, in Basle, Switzerland, were good, advocating that "...sovereignty be granted us over a portion of the globe large enough to satisfy the rightful requirements of a nation," intended by Hertzl to be guided by the individualistic premises of Friedrich Nietzsche.
The problem with these and similar endeavors, is that the Pseudo-Illuminati—by whatever name we know of it—lurks behind the scenes, more ruthless, powerful, and thorough than ever, always poised to take over and convert all organizations to its own use, in a manner diametrically opposite to its stated purposes. Organizations and movements originally intended to create a new religion of "reason and nature", were converted into ones for the mass psychological mind control of society, using religion, political mysticism and superstition to prohibit the higher development of mankind, to conceal technology, truth and higher knowledge, and to create and maintain a false economic dependence on Illuminati-controlled governments and the archaic technology of Illuminati industries. Meanwhile, the medical establishments and world health organizations are controlled and used to distribute and conceal population control methods developed and expedited by secret military weapons laboratories, so as to maintain world populations at "controllable levels". The Illuminati, hypocritically styling itself as the "...Bringer of Light and Knowledge...", preys upon the sincere beliefs of religious people, and promotes irrational, mystical, superstitious or exploitative ideas or means, contrary to what might have been initially good purposes, showing the consciously designed, sociopathic conspiracy to control the world through deceitfully planned ignorance, mysticism, dependency, and the promotion and exploitation of weakness.
Ethics, on the other hand, is something we are all born with, and projects outwards onto the world.
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Ok but being angry isn't the problem it is acting ugly while being angry.
slayed some dragons in my day | 05.03.07 - 4:54 pm | #
Guys, it is all here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/6776/L...Pentagon-
Aliens
Page 299 and on
Ethics, on the other hand, is something we are all born with, and projects outwards onto the world.
107 | 05.03.07 - 4:50 pm | #
Ok but being angry isn't the problem it is acting ugly while being angry.
"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." —Theodore Roosevelt
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Yo dude, fuck the catholic's and the prosies, I don't give a flying fuck, I want thier blood pissing out thier skulls, all of them.
Did you know the catholic church murdered 4 million women, just to stop women beleiving in thier intuition. If they knew something and couldn't scientifically prove it, they were labelled witches, and burned or drowned.
The men of the villages had to stop the PRIESTS, from murdering any more women, because they ran out of women to breed with. Also they killed all the pretty girls first.
And Morals, i don't give a fuck about, because thats just the outside projecting it's idea on my reality, which ain't no-ones business apart from my own.
Ethics, on the other hand, is something we are all born with, and projects outwards onto the world.
>>>>>> MILITARY UNCOVERS PLOT TO KILL IRAQI SCHOOLGIRLS BY BUILDING SCHOOL WITH EXPLOSIVES
Just on CNN, they are going to spin it as an Al Qaeda plot, but here are the facts. US taxpayers pay for rebuilding of what we bombed. Halliburton owns most of the contracts and they subcontract the deals for $0.10 on the dollar (or less-netting them min 90% profit).
So a contractor seems to have built a girls' school with munitions in the floors and walls, propane tanks with detonation wire, etc.
Watch this one get spun to Al Qaeda when at the very least it was lack of oversight by Halliburton that not only allows terrible buildings, but ones that now self destruct!
Big brother is making your information public
The Thrifty Scot
Thursday May 03, 2007
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Haha, I just fucked the Bank off out of it, for 30k.
It feels good.
So who gives a fuck about debt, go and steal it. thats the easiest way.
The banks are the biggest gangsters anyway, so fuck them. I hope they burn in hell.
I'm gonna petrol-bomb a high-street bank just for fun, that should piss them off. haha.
107 | 05.03.07 - 4:27 pm | #
Wow, your mad at them. Well, that helps THEM unless you can focus on what they have done you can prove. He who gets mad loses. Best to get FOCUSED. I suspect what you say has some plausability but I have very little proof in that direction.
If your convinced the Pope is evil it is best to focus on Christ's purpose for us here to be servants of our fellow man and to bring people to God through your leadership behaviour. Pissing off all Catholics (Methodist here) may not do a thing. Waking up the Catholics to the facts and using solid stuff like the whatever the percent of preists who have molested children, could save the world. I know it is not limited to the Catholics but I remember the famous priests Malichi Martin, an excorcist, clearly stated that people behind the late popes back were in open worship to satan in the halls of the Vatican itself. Now, I cannot say he was telling the truth but he sure was in a group I am willing to consider (preists who actually tried to rid the world of evil).
Maybe the following fits the situation.
"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." —Theodore Roosevelt
Vatican Story on Rueters,
Fuck the pope, he's a saytan worshiper anyway, look at his demonic expression, and he sits in a chair with an upside down cross on it. And don't give us that bollox about st, peter being crusified upside down. No it means the POPE worships SATAN. period.
I can't wait for the catholic church to crash and burn in hell.
Hey pope what about the 200 million people murdered in wars in the 20th century then, and you get Reuters Lie Repeaters to do a spin story claiming your outrage, na fuck off you cunts all of you, go back to HELL from where you came.
I'll bash the pope in the face with my bat.
Re Jeff Hoon slags off Blair story, Daily [Lies] Mail, UK.
Who gives a shit what the Daily Lies says it's opion is.
Jeff Hoon says it should have been done different and " It was a bit optimistic expecting the Iraqi's to line the streets and do flag waving for the Invaders"
To answer Daily Lies, well the troops maybe shouldn't have bombed Iraq to kingdom come, then should they? There may actually have been some survivers except, when they see you bombing your own allies, they know not to go anywhere near the invading Nazi's.
But thats all besides the point. Bush sent the troops into Iraq supported by his Masonic mate Blair, because the Queen ordered them to do so.
They don't give a fuck about the Oil, which is of more value to them than a man's, woman's or child's life, no, they went in for a good killing, and to steal the treasures of ancient mesopatania, mainly the artifacts connected to a star-gate and Alien craft, plus I beleive they said the Nazi Americans and British, stole 10'000 pices of Iraq's treasure, and 250 have been accounted for.
So: Daily [Lies] Mail, this is a piece of journalism for you, more in tune with reality than the shit you spew out, you government cock suckers.
Vet:
the crack comment makes sense for a shill, now are you pretending to be honest or are you naive?
I am betting it is the former but hoping for the latter. We can work with naivety and very calmly too.
You did a nice job on the RFK story . . . and it's the story I most believe -- that RFK had a long time CIA insider serving the family and sent him in immediately and within 24 hours he came back with the report that it was a very powerful conspiracy and it couldn't be penetrated.
So, RFK knew immediately that it was a powerful domestic plot, protected by top leaders in America -- with LBJ taking office.
Btw, the 1992 JFK Classified Records Act put in place by Pres. Bill Clinton was the subject of a documentary by A&E/History Channel when it was advertising itself as the "network for the new millennia" -- and John Tunnheim appeared and announced that the conclusion of the Panel was that "OSWALD WAS EMPLOYED BY THE CIA WORKING ON HIGH LEVEL ASSIGNMENTS AND PROBABLY ALSO FOR THE FBI."
Twice -- as John Tunnheim spoke these words -- the text was repeated on screen.
After a few months, the documentary was seen no more.
And like the Madeline Brown -- mistress of LBJ -- series added to the "Men Who Killed Kennedy" -- evidently it will no longer been seen.
At the time of the JFK assassination, journalists naturally asked to see Oswald's IRS filings, pay receipts, etc. and that was denied. Presumably, the Tunnheim Panel did see this evidence.
slayed some dragons in my day | 05.03.07 - 1:46 pm
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You Sir, still have not explained to me why you are slamming me.
Are you confused?
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It would appear your the one thouroughly confused.
Let us see if we can help you out a tad bit.
I was not necessarily calling you out unless your subscribing to the lunacy the nightly news is passing off as fact. I was, however, taking a moment to put it out there that we should follow a certain criteria when evaluating our position. Thus the comment about "how" people think.
I do get the distinct feeling that your not on the up and up because you do seem to be on the attack with Viet nam vet. Hell, I don't know him and he may be a bit of a loose cannon compared to some, but I have observed a side of him that suggest he does have some real world experience and, I personally, respect all my fellow vet's even if I don't agree with them.
You appear to be disrespectful of your senior in the battlefield and that is not acceptable in my military. You might try being a tad more polite to people who have paved the road , so to speak, for an ungrateful poplulation like we had in the 60's and did the deeds of the elite only to realize we have been duped by them. Got it?
I suspect you did your duty and have not yet fully grasped this situation and when you do I am certain you will see the wizard behind the curtain. I, and others here, are willing to share what we can with you to clarify the gaps in your knowledge for the sake of the truth and for the sake of our US of A.
Further I am WILLING to consider your point of view in it's entirity. However, I do take offense at personal attacks verses data evaluation as you were doing to the Vietnam Vet.
I was lucky and did not have to go to Nam and I have learned they deserve a lot of respect, they earned it the hard way soldier.
You can pretend or even think your in the know but you have to demonstrate it to satisfy people here. We have seen enough, been exposed to the truth for so long while most have refused to even view the data, that we have elephant hide when it comes to all the doubting Thomas'. AND like and elephant we have long memories. We may not be photographic in our abilities but we certainly remember the essence of how they have been screwing around with society as it happened. We have avoided the pitfalls of the so called "news" by digging in and finding the real data that keeps being avoided in the media.
We have concluded they are not working for news per se but for their paycheck and MUST do what their boss dictates or suffer the consequences.
Now is there something in particular I missed you would like discussed w/o you implying I am not worthy to make observations?
Well how can the people fight those gas prices ?
Well without any viloence one way is showing the rich and powerfull they can keep there fuel we aren't buying it anymore. but we know that people will not want to be deprived of there car.This car is so important in there lives just as cell phones, but this would show Big brother he is on a collision course and his regime will fall. BUt they need to be forced to the truth and when humanity unites and starts boycutting the fosil fuels, the Neo cons are gona go crazy.Share holders will start bitting the nails in stress.
We can beat them it is a question of uniting in a commun cause, there isn't an easy way out people. The more we wait, less options will be available. Stop bying gas show them for once in your lives that Power goes with the People not governements and evil cabals.
Look at it this way : We are all going to die because no one understands the necessity of uniting agains't the Neo Cons, Many are still haging on what ever they own, but once they start taking it away bit by bit what will you have left? Guilt that is what will be left. NOt having reacted when it was time.
Shame on us all for refusing to wake up and Unite together agains't these evils people.
Maybe in the end we deserve to be slaves and lick the boots of the masters.Maybe we as a whole human species , value violence more than peace and love?
I guess this is the message we are showing by our spineless coward passive reactions.
Change can happen not only by violence but in ways that financially hurt the evil ones. But you love your material world and worship your belongings instead of the importance of freeing your spiritual values. It takes courage but saddly we must admit this is a quality that has died with the founding fathers.
HIt them in the wallet , they will fall.
Wake up people
We are running out of time.
Peace to those who value peace and love and do not worship evil.
i wouldn't be supprised if the honeybees are dying because of those experiments man makes like the atomic bomb radiation, and the HAARP radio frequency,the people that run the world don't care if people dies of hunger or diases,they just want to rule this world and make it theirs.
Wtf? I didn't post that twice.
Lawmakers divided over whether to keep U.S. troops in Iraq are finding common ground on at least one topic: They are furious that Iraqi politicians are considering a lengthy break this summer. "If they go off on vacation for two months while our troops fight — that would be the outrage of outrages," said Rep. Chris Shays, R-Conn.
The only outrage is the fact that if history can give a glimpse into the future then there will be approximately 150-200 American soldiers who will have had to fight and die for this Iraqi vacation.
DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05...to-texas-signs/
“Two years after writing a law requiring highway ‘Welcome to Texas’ signs to tout the state as the home of President Bush, state Rep. Ken Paxton [yesterday] passed a bill that will remove the designation once the 43rd president leaves office.”
"If they go off on vacation for two months while our troops fight — that would be the outrage of outrages,"
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If this is truly how they look at the situation in their Country, let us all go for picnic and wait until they see it fit to return and try to stop the manicures in their streets.
The entire world is waiting for your incite in the true wisdoms of the world.
Lawmakers divided over whether to keep U.S. troops in Iraq are finding common ground on at least one topic: They are furious that Iraqi politicians are considering a lengthy break this summer. "If they go off on vacation for two months while our troops fight — that would be the outrage of outrages," said Rep. Chris Shays, R-Conn.
The only outrage is the fact that if history can give a glimpse into the future then there will be approximately 150-200 American soldiers who will have had to fight and die for this Iraqi vacation.
Thank you again for providing us with this window into your world
we just observed the facts as best we can make them out
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Set the crack pipe down Man, it will get better.
You may think we are but in reality we started with NO DESIRE to follow this mess we just observed the facts as best we can make them out
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Because of freedom you can insult me ... Thank you so much for providing us with this window of insight into your world! Best wishes
The State of Total Confusion
slayed some dragons in my day | 05.03.07 - 1:46 pm
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You Sir, still have not explained to me why you are slamming me.
Are you confused?
Did that sentence make sense to anyone here? You probably meant well, but considering you called someone out prior to that gobblygook you posted, I figured you had it coming.
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Nope, I should be slammed for that lack of editing.
But now it is time to move on!
What I probably should have stated is:
I could care less for what people think. I care HOW they think. To put it midly those of you who are pretending to be sincere and pretending to ACTAULLY research your point of view past what Fox news taught you to repeat, you should get a clue and follow the data without prejudice.
Prejudice of the data leads people to ignore facts and call them false even after the proof has been shown that clearly refutes the prejudiced point of view. I sense a tendency to call names and try to make people look silly instead of solid research.
You may think we are but in reality we started with NO DESIRE to follow this mess we just observed the facts as best we can make them out.
' nuff said on that.
For those who wonder what is driving us here I say this:
We see a pattern of denial that is common for people with their brain housing group located up their ass. You cannot see things while your eyes are looking at the wrong thing. Therefore find your way out of that dark tunnel and look around a little more. IF you bother to think for yourself and let your instinct lead you, instead of the Conservatively controlled media, you will first have a withdrawal like sympton and then, like a wave, realization is allowed to creep back into your conscience.
Do You Hate Me Now?
Go away Give me a chance to miss you
I am the silent intellectual. Now, rub your chin and look thoughtful
Kitty Kitty Kitty
240 rounds fired during march in LA. Not a single arrest. Many elderly were accosted and thrown to the ground. Now the LAPD is concerned that excessive force might have been used. Can I have the last 10 years of my life back please? I think I missed something. Since when has shooting hundreds of rounds (rubber bullets or gas regardless) into unarmed crowds without arresting anyone become deserving of only a 30 second highlight on the news? Prior to that, they spent an entire 5 minutes on "Al Quieda Militant Killed".
Does the Cat have your keyboard?
Fifth Amendment in the Bill of Rights, the right to refuse to answer ... The phrase "I plead the Fifth" is often used
slayed some dragons in my day
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Again I ask Sir, What is your point?
Thomas Jefferson:
Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong.
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
I will take smarts or heroism everyday, you can use both if your smart enough to be thinking like a 1st Sgt or at least observant enough to listen to their advice.
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Did that sentence make sense to anyone here? You probably meant well, but considering you called someone out prior to that gobblygook you posted, I figured you had it coming.
Blessed is the man who, having nothing to stay, abstains from giving us worthy evidence of the fact.
"a little knowledge is a dangerous thing"
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Well done !!!
Ignorance is a lack of knowledge. Ignorance is also the state of being ignorant or uninformed.
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What is your point?
If you have one.
RE: ABC’s Paul Harvey Compares ‘Women And Children’ Killed In Afghanistan To 9/11 Hijackers
"We didn’t come this far because we’re made of sugar candy. Once upon a time, we elbowed our way onto and across this continent by giving smallpox-infected blankets to Native Americans."
"And we grew prosperous. And yes, we greased the skids with the sweat of slaves."
"And hear this please. In Western Afghanistan, where NATO forces are involved in some of the deadliest fighting since January, among the 136 dead this morning suspect Taliban. But there are others, 51 villagers, mostly women and children. Might not the news media put a stop to such pulled punches wars as this, if we would just desist from categorizing civilians. It was civilians, for goodness sake, who decapitated New York City. Since the invention of the aerial bomb five wars ago, there have been no civilians."
This guy's maniacal view of our world is more dangerous than the nuclear missiles he worships, and he's got company: in 2005 he was given the presidential medal of freedom from Bush. We are not dealing with different intellects, ethics, opinions, values, etc...this is a struggle against complete insanity.
Dont worry my friends these morons who cant spend an hour and a half checking out the evidence of the truth about 911 being an inside job, will be the first to go to the camps, bow like slaves to their benevolent government and be weeded out by evolution. If you cant spend one hr and a half checking out the evidence, you are clearly a moron - period. Why dont you intellectual retards put up, or shut the hell up! You come back with a logical retort to the evidence, or you fuck off and jump off a cliff like a good lemming! We dont need scum attacking good people that are committed to YOUR freedom as well as their own.Grow up and read at least one history book about how many of your relatives and mine died from government in the last 100 yrs alone
What Gen Sir Michael Rose fails to understand is neither the British nor the American government care who wins this war. This is all about a handful of the richest people in the world making money. The oil companies are making the greatest profits of all times we never get the figures of how much the weapons manufacturers make out of these wars. Our government has no concern at the loss of life that is being inflicted on our soldiers they are serving their financial masters and they are going to draw this war out until public outrage forces its end. The Iraqi insurgents are being financed and armed by the same weapons of war manufacturers as we are just a different type of weaponry. The real terrorists are our government and the New World Order they serve. To put it simply they are using our tax dollars to both support terrorism and fight terrorism so that they can pass laws that take our freedom away and make the richest people in the world even richer.
Army, absolutely not Marine, you don't have the class.
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Are You a Marine, eh?
Wow buddy that would explain why you don't seem to know it's the other way around and it goes like this:
"Must be a Marine not Army you haven't the brains or the class!!!"
Sorry Marine buds of mine, but you know what they taught me when I was training is the dumbest thing in the battlefield? It is a MARINE who qaulified to CALL for FIRE. (Those who served know this means call in an airstrike or lots of artillery rounds). Idiots would call it right on top of themselves while engaged in a firefight. Me, I would not wait to call them in when there over a clik away!!! You see, you take em out! No waiting for the whites of thier eyes.
Shu Tzu stated it was good to survive and live today so you can fight the battle tomorrow!
I will take smarts or heroism everyday, you can use both if your smart enough to be thinking like a 1st Sgt or at least observant enough to listen to their advice.
The TRON story is a deliberate distraction....I suppose some will be taken in.......
ALERT ALERT!!!!! INFO TROOPS SCRAMBLE!!!!!
Homeland Security Classifies TRON as "Sensitive"
Government is Seizing all copies of the movie Tron!!!!!
"Edward Jeffries -- FPI
BURBANK, CA - Reports are emerging from members of the movie industry that the Department of Homeland Security has designated the 1982 film TRON as "sensitive", and ordered Walt Disney Studios to turn over all copies of the film in its posession. Retailers are also receiving notices to remove all copies of the film from stock shelves and turn them over to Federal officials. The reports have industry insiders bewildered and outraged. "
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/20...3/28/132751/
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GET THIS STORY UP ON PRISONPLANET.COM RIGHT NOW EMAIL ALEX AND PAUL!!!!!
ALERT ALERT!!!!!!!!
pretty old and almost dead right? Good.
Josen1
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Hopefully they all will die soon, and the sooner the better.
A good strong rope may help them along.
Good Heavens,
If 911 Towers and Bldg. 7 really did collapse into their own footprint at free fall speed because of jet-fueled plane crashes, Why oh Why are we still building these taller and taller skyscrapers if they are so vulnerable to airplanes?
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Darn good point.
We should reduce the hight of our buildings if 3000 people are going to die if the buildings catch on fire.
Paul Harvey is yet another ugly American among many in positions of power and influence. He is admiting and not in the least regretting that we as a nation used 'smallpox infested blankets' to take whatever we wanted from the native Americans. What a piece of shit....what the hell is this thinking? Death to all imperialists!!!!! America will only be destroyed from within not from outside enemies....and fucks like Harvey are only greasing the skids.....fuck him and people who think like him...America IS NOT a nation of conquering savages are we? We accuse every other culture of being exactly how these Harvey assholes are. He's pretty old and almost dead right? Good.
Josen1
It might be the end of troops blogging but it is also the begining of massive desertions from this evil military force.
The good humans are starting to let go of that brain washing and realise that what is right is to abandone the evil one's with there evil mission.
Peace and Love to all good humans of planet earth.
Ron Pauls comments on the spending bill.
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/ts...7/
tst043007.htm
9-11 was, without doubt, an inside job.
The tide is turning.
B.liar and Bush and all their other EVIL cohorts will swing for their hideous crimes one day.
Good Heavens,
If 911 Towers and Bldg. 7 really did collapse into their own footprint at free fall speed because of jet-fueled plane crashes, Why oh Why are we still building these taller and taller skyscrapers if they are so vulnerable to airplanes?
BG | Homepage | 05.01.07 - 8:40 pm | #
Yes, it's a conspiracy and it's bound to attract the usual suspects on here who are intent on dragging the thread down by attacking the messanger..well, how about dealing with the message?(end snip)
Yes, it is easy to slander, slur, insult, denigrate, etc. the messenger. Those who do so on threads, cannot argue a civil discourse of opinion.
The message is what I want to understand from the messenger, and even if I don't agree, I can learn from discussion.
Hunt admits conspiracy, JFK
Gents and ladies. Our Powerfull news media will not involve themselfs in this abomination, the truth to this murder will not be front page news, we can be certain of that.As Dan Rather put it, and I quote,( The news media needs a spine transplant). Feed them shit, tell them it is sugar syndrpme. MONEY POWER
Informed citizens were aware for decades our president was assassinated, and a element of the Ol Gov. was involved.
When JFK made it clear to the military 3 months before his assassination that he was intending on stopping the war in Vietnam. Certainly other factors were involved, however he defied the Elite and their dream of fortunes, to include the MIC. & the puppet masters.
In several countries bookies were taking bets on just how long JFK would survive.
The bullet that killed JFK wounded America mortaly, 911 buried this land and its freedoms.
The Iraq invasion destroyed whatever credibility remained that the USA, was a democratic Republic, that the USA adhered to its constitution, that the USA is the land of freedom and honor.
Do you trust the Ol Gov. Mr. peon, or should I say commoner, or pissant. I once beleived in this nation and I fought for it, to my chagrin I was deceived as was this nation.
Pay your taxes, wave your flags, be safe. This appears to be the concept of the general public. Speak of fear, speak of the ELite pulling the strings. They are masters of human nature and domination. It appears our regime resents morality and intelligence within the circle of the masses.
The UK people never wanted into this war. Everyone I have spoken to on this issue thinks we shouldn't be there and doesn't know why we are there.
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What is the link for the ogg's?
"But slowly but surely, the truth will be known. "
thats right bitch and your dads going to jail for JFK and your ass for 911,katrina,and fucking with our america!!!
House Fails to Overturn War Spending Veto
The 222-203 vote to override Bush's veto fell far short of the two-thirds needed...
-only says some 55% of congress isnt listening to the people
In a message delivered to the House before the vote, Bush said the vetoed bill was not only unacceptable to him but unconstitutional because it infringed on his powers as commander in chief.
-- it is NOT a presidential power to DECLARE war.
Bush also offered a more limited definition of success in Iraq, characterizing it as "sectarian violence down." He told the Associated General Contractors of America
--because opposing 'sects' might see a greater enemy in common ya damn chimp!! associated general contractors -- this wouldnt be blackwater mercenaries doing horrible things military isnt allowed to would it? is over 1/3 of the people from the US there..
Bush said. "And no matter how tempting it might be, it would be unforgivable for leaders in Washington to allow politics and impatience to stand in the way of protecting the American people. Success in this fight's going to be difficult. It will require sacrifice. It's going to require time."
whose politics and whose impatience? how are we protected when the constitution is gutted and the borders are wide open. we oughtta be wiretapping YOUR phones chimp boy!! and looking at the 45/55 split on that vote we know a normal impeachment would never happen. WTF you know about sacrifice chimp boy, sacrifice is great unless it's you personally? you need more sacrifices because you and youre buddies havent bankrupt the nation enough and there might be a half penny left to squeeze? disgusting chimp boy.
To understand the world today, i guess you have to be a little bit 'crazy' As it are 'The crazy's ' that seem to rule. The same way a detective has toimagine how a murderers mind works?
Mind you, it is a mighty task to do that, people like Rumsfeld, cheney, heinz Kissinger etc. they are psychopats with a licence to kill. They all are pretty old now, lets hope this kind of carbon-based life forms, will die out eventually.
(Although Putin is not that old)
Skunk wrote:
A storm approaches, you'd better grab your umbrellas. I prefer to gather my arms.
I hope that don't mean that you're gonna gather your arms round yourself, Skunk boy, or the Little Lady. I hear all this gun talk, but how many of you guys who can't wait for action have ever shot someone?
I'm not anti-gun; absolutely the contra. I simply thought I sniffed an air of self-righteousness in the air. Gather your arms, son, but make sure you shoot straight and true when you see the whites of their bleached teeth.
Ak.
Surprised the rest of the world is reacting to the facts? Not me. Some ostrich-humans can bury their heads all they want, but real men stand to analyze the facts and face the enemies. If you don't wish to fight, please step aside.
A storm approaches, you'd better grab your umbrellas. I prefer to gather my arms.
Boy there is nothing better at 2:45am than a big block of medium cheddar cheese. I don't care about them black helis flying over my house late at night as long as I got my cheese!
To Gabriel Alan King: your use of non sensical ad hominem shows that you cannot handle the truth. Jones has done nothing but keep the "Truth Movement" going round in circles while keeping people in fear. As for this accusation that I am NSA, I am a 23 year old Australian who regrets spreading copies of terrorstorm and Loose Change 2 because both try to appeal to THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR. Like yourself. Jones is one of the most horrendous individuals out there; he obfuscates truth by apportioning lesser truth to the people, who will then think that by him telling some truth he can't be bad. As for your other comments, I can readily assume you are the product of the American "education" system, and I can also assume that you must be of the older generation that has failed completely in their societal responsibilities to prevent the rise of the NWO, and yet think that you can talk down to those who have to bear the bruntof your apathy and cowardice. I was the only Australian citizen to actually protest outside the US embassy on 9/11 last year in our capital, Canberra. True I may not have accomplished that which Jones has, but I have not profitted from it either. I see that you still do not want to accept that GCN is an ABC affiliate, and from both his website and his last film it is obvious to those not stuck in a web of denial that he is getting funding from sources he does not wish to disclose. To think that he was arrested in'98 for questioning Bush Jr and yet somehow "snuck into" the Bohemian Grove is laughable. I would suggest to you Mr King to wake up and realise that yet again your judgement has failed you. I await the response from you where you can yet again put words in my mouth and imply thinhgs that I have not written about. Or better yet I can just leave this website to those too stupid and too lazy to actually read both UN documents and NGO books, and who feel that they are informed after listening to a 3 hour diatribe everyday interspersed with pathetic snake oil salesmen ads and so forth. Mr King, in closing I consider you pathetic, and of course a danger to those real truthers who have learnt that people like yourself are easily manipulated, and even more recalcitrant in admitting their manipulation than the sheeple.
Re: Illegal Aliens March for Amnesty
I don't have a problem with emergency services performed for those that require it whether they can pay or not or are of U.S. citizenship. If you've got a broken leg or are having a heart attack, the humane thing to do is allow our doctors at the e.r. to fix you up regardless of your citizenship. That's just my opinion BUT how someone who does not have legal status to be in this country and at the same time is privileged enough to only have to pay in-state tuition at our universities while American citizens who reside in other states are not afforded the same opportunity is complete nonsense. On a side note, I did notice many more red-white-and-blues waving and many less red-white-and-greens. Perhaps the organizers actually gave a little more thought to the marches.
It is am amazing thing.
When you call a bully out, most of the time, they just don't have the Gonads.
Thank You Sir.
Vet. | 05.03.07 - 1:19 am | #
Yes I know I was not a part of the duel you and he are/were in. For some reason, Mr. Wiggly felt the need to back me up I guess and I was just letting him know that even though I appreciated his help, your post to me was more of a clarification about the conversation you were in with Vietnam Vet Terry AKA Endtimetruther.
At any rate, the both of you are well aware that the poles of this earth are to reverse in the near future and so it is my hope that the two of you will settle your differances prior to all of us flying off into space.
DD-214 Form - US Military Records
In case you have forgotten, it is you Discharge Document 214.
I want to see your 214.
To Vet:Who you trying to shit
VietNam vet Terry | Homepage | 05.02.07 - 11:17 pm | #
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I am not trying to shit anyone,
I an calling you out Man. Put up or shut up.
Well?
I believe Vet was just clarifying his position Wiggly but thanks and sorry about that pixel.
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Sir,
This conversation NEVER included you.
I am sorry that that Terry tried ti include you.
The fact is, I have seen Terry cuss people and put them down for months.
I am calling him out NOW.
I will scan my DDT and call him at this point to do the same.
His abuse of other people on this post is not right and I for one will stand up to him. He does not scare me.
I challenge him to prove his service and his right to cuss us and demean us.
I am proud of my service and will prove it in a second.
I challenge the loud mouth to do the same.
The 222-203 vote to override Bush's veto fell far short of the two-thirds needed, effectively killing the $124 billion supplemental appropriations bill.
I'm curious if there's a single person in this country that didn't expect this result. I'm curious if there's a single person in this country that expected John Kerry to not beat around the bush yesterday when asked by a reporter his reasoning for sending troops to fight in a war he called a "mistake". There's two sides to the aisle: one side is "status quo" and the other is "business as usual."
You're damn skippy!
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I believe Vet was just clarifying his position Wiggly but thanks and sorry about that pixel.
No, there you go again, this has absolutely nothing to do with numbers.
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You're damn skippy!
Exactly what I thought.
When the crap hits the fan. no answers.
Have a good Sir.
Crap is that a dead pixel on my screen? Son of a BIOTCH!!!
I say you were drafted out of high school.
You were drafted for two years and did one hitch in the Army as a private in Infantry in Viet Nam.
Am I correct?.
attacking patroit sites. terry
Endtimetruther | Homepage | 05.03.07 - 12:28 am | #
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No, there you go again, this has absolutely nothing to do with numbers.
And you Sir still have not answered my question.
I say you are Army 82nd airborne, Drafted.
Am I correct?
900.00 a month if you have some time, which you don't.
I'm guessing closer to 700.00 a month for PTSS.
Army, absolutely not Marine, you don't have the class.
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Personal friends are pulling in way more than that: 100% disability pension, free VA benefits, freedom from taxes, etc... A very close friend (joined USARMY in 1968 as a Canadian, 3 purple hearts later and a tank commander, went another 13 years in USNAVY and finally retirement. He brought his ammo can with him during the psych eval at the VA and "persuaded" the bunch of his insanity. 100% disability guaranteed, his retirement, the VA, etc...and he's got a lot of money tax free.
Rest in peace friends and I'll see you on the flip side. To FREDERICK W. KULICKE III on 32w and ALL THOSE ON 45: I love you guys and you will live FOREVER.
USARMY MP.CO LEC FT.SILL OK
Numbers:Gee is this vet guy going after you now??This vet is a shill for nsa or something.I really was going to change my handle,this vet guy aint makeing me change,but he made me think more of changeing it.Vet why dont you tell some truth about the nwo,nau,or the mysteries of the bible,whats the matter dont you think Jesus walked on water,raised the dead,feed the thousands,gave sight to the blind.Do some thing beside attack people,I attack people when they attack this site,or a truther on this site.vet your being paid to come here ,is this how you make your money??,attacking patroit sites. terry
Numbers |.
The truth strikes one hell of a nerve.
I don't like a liar.
Shit I even miss some of Wolf's posts...where's he been for so long?
Whats the matter big boy, did i hit a nerve?
Numbers:you do great posts numbers,you are well read,hope I did not offend you or anyone else here on this site,but I wanted to change my handle anyway,the vet was getting old for I did seem like makeing myself to involved in the vet stuff.Much more important stuff than vets really.I changed account I wanted too.This vet guy just woke me up thats all.terry
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Well if you were going to change it anyway Terry, then more power to you. I just couldn't believe you were going to let one guy get to you like that and that's why I had to say something. I'm glad I caught this when it happened because at least I'll know who's who when I come back and scrounge through the new posts. By the way, I think most of the regulars aren't easily offended and they've been here a lot longer than I have. You've got no worries here bro.
900.00 a month if you have some time, which you don't.
I'm guessing closer to 700.00 a month for PTSS.
Army, absolutely not Marine, you don't have the class.
Got PTSD? Ah too bad. May take a couple more years of fightin' but you won't be blowin' off no heads anymore, and the 100% disability is nice nice nice. Free va, free income, no taxes. Got a lot of friends like that. Everythin's paid for and they is livin it large now. Course they killed for a livin, somethin I wouldn't want to go to bed with everynight.
640 thousand bucks a year
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Another lie!
Man you are something else.
L.A. POLICE PROBING CLASH AT IMMIGRATION PROTEST
They are not immigrants, they are illegal aliens, they didn't stop at the border to sign in...they are breaking our laws, they are not immigrants.
So what's next...thieves are property removal agents?? Murderers are life limit assistants??
Go back to Mexico, we'll mow our own lawns.
Vet:yes I get 640 thousand bucks a year and your dumb ass is paying for it hehehehahaha,like I said end of conversation. terry
Let me guess,
drafted, 82nd airborne. Army.
P.D.S.S.
You were drafted in the late 60's
Numbers:you do great posts numbers,you are well read,hope I did not offend you or anyone else here on this site,but I wanted to change my handle anyway,the vet was getting old for I did seem like makeing myself to involved in the vet stuff.Much more important stuff than vets really.I changed account I wanted too.This vet guy just woke me up thats all.terry
You Sir have not answered my question.
Are you drawing a nut check?
A simple yes or no will work.
Vet:your wrong on that ptss too,but I am pissed off about the lies of Nam,and just how maney of these troopers comeing back from Iraq and Mid east are going to be sick,after 3 or more tours there,you going to call them sick too??Something aint right with you by the way I went to the VA maney moons ago and I am graded as sane,how about you??Gee you you wont thank me for changeing my handle on the aj site>end of conversation over and out to the like s of you.
Wow it would take more than somebody on this forum to persuade me of doing anything especially changing my name on this forum. Anyone got a problem with numbers? Good. Glad to hear it, now go piss off. LOL just kidding peeps.
Not sure why these comments are not reacting to the articles they link to, but I hope every cop who was videotaped hitting a journalist (women!) in violation of the #1 amendment to our constitution is fired, arrested, and tried before a jury of Los Angeles peers.
And may god have mercy on their souls!
GRAVEL ON COLBERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just what I thought.
Answer my question.
You are drawing a nut check, Right?
No I say Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome' bet you I'm right on that.
Vet:Whats a 37 yr old life,dont understand,and for you info,when I first started to read this site,I just used the handle veitNam vet,but you have made me wake up to the fact,that I maybe pushing my weight around with nam vet,so thanks to you I will change my handle,thanks for wakeing me up.I dont like comeing across as some fucken hero or something.I am anti NWO,anti zionist,anti vataican,anti people who dont beleive the bible for its truth,among other things.I think I will change my aj site handle to endtimetruther,hows that asshole.terry
Let me guess
S T S S .
Am I right?
I bet you are living on a Gov. Nut Check.
Am I right?
VietNam vet Terry
No you are not right.
I just don't live on a 37year old life.
Get a life Man.
To Vet:Who you trying to shit,I am grown up and I did get scared a few times,what the fuck did you do hero???I have met a lot of dumb fuck vets from Nam,they still think Bush is a Christian and all the bull.Again swettie I am grown up and I think your a fake who was in the air force am I right boy.terry the vet
To AAA: Great post you know whats going on,thats for sure and you know your bible I see,sorry but some people call me sick for what I say.Call me what you want but AAA is inspired by God far as I can see.Maybe everybody should be sick like me,then they can see the truth,again good post AAA. terry the vet
VietNam vet Terry |
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I have seen loosers like you over and over again.
You may fool the younger guys but not me.
I have seen Vets like you use the fact that you fought, BFD ! Did you not a medal or something?
I have watched your post a long time looser, you are a FAKE.
Agent Orange my ass. It's called being a weak soldier that can't face the fact that he got the shit scared out of him and can't deal with it.
Grow up Man.
The Mayan calander does not end Oct 2011, it ends with the winter soltice 2012,
12 -21-2012
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Feb 10, 2011 - Oct 28, 2011
260 days of the last phase of consciousness according to Mayas (universal cycle).
All the dates he gives in the lecture up until his death have scientific backing and many dates are considered common knowledge nowadays.
.Cause Jesus sure scared the crap out of me,
VietNam vet Terry | Homepage | 05.02.07 - 10:31 pm | #
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Hey Dude,
Your own shadow scares you , you pathetic creep. Go to the V.A. and get some help LOOSER.
The V.A. won't help you because they know you are a fake.
Man, get off the Viet nam bullshit. You were not the only man to serve, I'm sorry you are so week you except it. GET SOME HELP LOOSER and stop USING it as an excuse for being a week looser.
You probably draw the Dool.
I served also, but I don't wear it like a crown.
Get a life Dude!
To the coward calling me sick:I D yourself fuckhead.I am 100 percent proud of what I say to assholes like you attack alex jones site.Its fools braindead to the truth that make me say the things I say and the way I say them.Its cause you piss me off jerk.Next topic AJ site on article of EU US money merger,should wake people up.On the video from BBC,they are already talking about the AMERO,THEY NEW MONEY FOR MEX USA CANADA.To do that they have to destroy the american dollar,LOOK OUT FOR ANOTHER 911 ATTACK OR FED RESERVE CAUSES A DEPRESSION.Its here and now boys and girls,get prepared get food,water and ammo.And to the idiot calleing me sick,hope you like the bread lines and fema camps boy. terry the vet
and its moot, not mute.
LanceTruthhammer | 05.02.07 - 2:16 pm | #
all your points are so pre 9/11/2003. catch up dude.
pull it - blow up the building in a sacrificial illuminazi rite
The Mayan calander does not end Oct 2011, it ends with the winter soltice 2012,
12 -21-2012
Sirius | 05.02.07 - 10:36 pm | #
If you actually research this, you'll find there is much debate. Arguably, the tzolkin doesn't even have a beginning or an end. If you actually watch the videos he provided as I did months ago, you'll see the link and Oct 2011 is correct from that perspective.
VietNam vet Terry | Homepage | 05.02.07 - 10:18 pm |
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You are a sick , abusive , demented person.
Why don't you the world a favor and check yourself into a treatment center as it is obvious you are sick.
All I ever see from you is a sick attack on anyone that you think doesn't think as sick as you do.
You are pathetic.
I can never understand how any thinking person would look at WTC#7 and rationalize it was a natural happening based on the other towers.
slayed some dragons in my day | 05.02.07 - 2:01 pm | #
for the people without an agenda it is similar to the reason i did not believe it. the whole matrix starts crumbling. that can be a difficult experience that many try to avoid despite logic.
Did you not see the part of the roof collapsing before the rest?
Ive never seen that before, from any other conspiracy site.
Open your eyes, thanks to whomever found that.
That guy needs to learn how to count though. It was definately more than 7 seconds, not 16 but at least 11 or 12.
btw Sane, How long should it take??
AnotherUnbeliever | 05.02.07 - 1:55 pm | #
sorry had to do some work.
yeah the roof buckling is classing in controlled demolition. saw it like 2 years ago.
7 seconds, 17 seconds, whatever. right on its footprint lava polls underneath exploding into fine dust, cauliflower smoke clouds, controlled demolition doing the wrecking ball video showing the way things should be done then getting 7 billion to clean it up. Italy confirms all of this. Virgin airlines (not sure how i feel about showing it on a flight, but not my decision) showing it. dude truth is coming like cauliflower smoke clouds on 911.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...h?
v=UFdNkXJMH9A
Welcome to America, it is only going to get worse.
FEMA camps are waiting for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U...h?
v=UFdNkXJMH9A
hardly anybody involved in Jesus crucifixion understood what was going to happen
not even His closest followers
just like so many people before the flood of noah
or sodom & gomorah
so it is today
none of these people understand how to understand what season we are in now
they are blind to the truth
alex just tells the truth the best he can
hes no perfected human being
nobody is except Christ
these naysayers will wake up in a box car headed for the happy candy distribution centers
then and only then will they awake to the fact
that our country has been over run by criminal elite
next stop
the guilotine
unless you see fit to accept satan as your lord and savior
good luck
bring sunscreen
The Mayan calander does not end Oct 2011, it ends with the winter soltice 2012,
12 -21-2012
Sirius | 05.02.07 - 10:36 pm | #
If you actually research this, you'll find there is much debate. Arguably, the tzolkin doesn't even have a beginning or an end. If you actually watch the videos he provided as I did months ago, you'll see the link and Oct 2011 is correct from that perspective.
Last point: Why blow up 4 buildings in broad daylight on national tv with millions if not billions of eyewitness around the world?
Lata
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Well there's one reason that comes to mind: Patriot Act
The Mayan calander does not end Oct 2011, it ends with the winter soltice 2012,
12 -21-2012
the whole world knows we attacked ourselves on 911, then drew their children into that hell hole in Iraq to die. We Americans will be the scourge of the world.
Fear Mongering idea of alex jones:I guess you think our Lord Jesus Christ is a fear monger like alex jones.Gee it was Jesus who came to John and ordered him to write the book of Revelations which even scares me,which I am very concerned about the end times that are here.Cause Jesus sure scared the crap out of me,thats why I am a beleiver in HIm. terry the vet
To alex is a joke:Your a fucking moron boy,get the hell off this site this is for people who are ofcourage christian patroit constitutional men and women.I my self am a Nam vet,I saw the bullshit of a no win war at age 21,I met thousand of guys in the military and I am good judge of character,and I judge you as a young dumb fuckhead with no commen sense,opionins are like assholes we all got one asshole that you are,get of my website with your bullshit boy. terry the vet
go to google video and search "the future of food"
no, i know but did you read what i wrote.........they found the ecoli in the cells of the plant leading me to conclude that they are genetically modifying the food with virtually anything they want, thus killing us..........the diversion thing was just a think tank type thought..........
Michale Humes;Chemtrails are the real deal,it is no diversion,and yes they are killing us with poisions in our food and importing foods with e coli and etc from 3rd world countries.Chem trails are controling weather and our minds in one way or the other.People are getting bad upper resportory infections here in fla and we are not getting any rain.Reason destroy the american farmers with drougths ,they go bankrupt and the big arg bussness comes in and buys the land for pennys a acre,UN agenda all the fucking way. terry the vet
In SA there is a drawing of the American people holding their thumbs up when questioned to stop the war in Iraq...However their is one thumb High Above the others pointing down.
A simple but effective image of the masses being controled
di·ver·sion /dɪˈvɜrʒən, -ʃən, daɪ-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[di-vur-zhuhn, -shuhn, dahy-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun
* 1.
the act of diverting or turning aside, as from a course or purpose: a diversion of industry into the war effort.
* 5.
Military. a feint intended to draw off attention from the point of main attack.
What if it isn't the chemtrails that are making us sick. What if the spraying that is goin on is a diversion from what is really making us sick and in constant pain. You see, if they start rumors about the diversion to grasp our attention and plant distracting websites from experts, it becomes very effective because in the back of our mind we know there is really nothing we can do about military jets flying at 30,000 feet, Hence, distracting us from the real threat to our health that we can and will do something about, which is the fact that they are genetically modifying poisons into our food. Thus the chemtrails are a diversion from the real threat.
As many of you already know, they are modifying crops to grow with the pesticides inside every cell of the plant so that when a worm or any other pest eats any part of the plant it is death by poisoning. I recently went to a local health food store to get something to detox my body hoping the severe pains in my left side would be washed out of my body. While talking to the person assisting me I brought up GM foods (genetically modified) and she quickly brought up the spinach that was "tainted" with Ecoli recently that was making people sick. She told me that the Ecoli was not found on the surface of the plants, ity was found in the cells.
Are the chemtrails a diversion from what is slowly killing us but quicker than we would normally die. She directed me to this Google video......DIGTHEHEAVY
THE FUTURE OF FOOD
if an arsonist tells you your house is on fire, does it change the fact that your house is on fire? Al Gore may have invented the internet, but he didn't invent global warming. Stop looking at the messenger and examine the message.
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You've obviously already started your monthly installments for the "deluxe" global warming package which includes all the bells and whistles and now it's too late because they already own your butt and your "lease" won't be up until they finally have you paying for the air you breath. Regardless of what happens to you and the results of your brainwashing, there are many with independent minds and to question the messenger is as valid as questioning the message. Gore is elite - his $$$ gives him his elite status and his power. The elite have an agenda and their agenda is to control people. His $30k utility bill for his 20-room mansion will continue long after his message has grown into mainstream science fact to be consumed by all. Considering the fact that most of the message will be taken to heart by the piss-ant population, Gore's utility bill will undoubtable decrease in cost due to the decrease in demand. Rest assured, he'll continue to use more energy than anyone you will ever know in your lifetime and when you are finally ordered to ride a bicycle to work or use mass transit, Travolta will have added another fleet of jets to his front lawn. But whatever you do, don't ever question the messengers. I suppose you've never heard the saying "consider the source".
Dont be so ignorant look4 truth.
Where they were at the lowest floor where there was fire it was relatively contained in a marble sky lobby on the 78th floor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X...related&
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The only lemming is you listening to quotes out of context. Do your hw on your own, son.
It is completely undeniable and at the same time, completely unbelievable: the dems and reps actually stand on each side of the line pointing their little fingers at one another as they did today with their votes on whether to overturn Bush's veto or not. Dems on one side, reps on the other...this 2 party system may be the biggest fraud to the American people that ever was and ever will be because we continually elect these fools into office thinking they might actually make some changes and give us some representation. We are not represented, plain and simple. When it comes to forcing a change, the dems and reps will continue to do what they do best and prove that not agreeing is the sure fire way to continue down the path of business as usual which is exactly what every one of them wants.
So now we can all go back and safely stick our heads in the sand since the destruction of wtc towers due to fire has been finally proven. They say the bridge came down because of fire and now that's being used as a direct comparison to 911. Run with it "mass media" because we already know who controls what you pump out. Too bad there are stll a lot of us who believe you as if you even had an idea of the definition of truth.
PLEASE DIGG 9/11 Truth Story bbc wtc-7
http://digg.com/videos/
education...efore_It_does_2
THis government is corrupted. They worship war and killings of innocent people.
The veto has gone too far these evil people need to be kicked out of office and fast. Before they do attack Iran and more. Dictators . People will unite
Peace to all good people of planet earth.
Weird how those urls didn't link. Here they are again, hopefully these will work.
http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3...7.html?
tag=head
http://video.google.com/videopla...mes+north&
hl=en
http://video.google.com/videopla...mes+north&
hl=en
Now NOAA predicts solar storms to peak at end of 2011: http://news.com.com/8301-
10784_3...0784_3...7.html? tag=head
For any that are interested, the Mayans knew something was up also as their calendar stops in Oct 2011. This 2 parter is long but I highly reccommend you stick with it because everything is verifiable including the exponential rate of growth that we have been traveling upon:
Part 1: http://video.google.com/videopla...la...mes+north&
hl=en
Part 2: http://video.google.com/videopla...la...mes+north&
hl=en
Not about Al Gore. It's about survival of the planet for our children.
mckt | 05.01.07 - 11:56 pm
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If he is the one proposing a carbon tax on those of us who can least afford it,while he spends said tax money luxuries for himself, then it is about him and what he believes. He is a hypocrite and not to be believed for anything. Major self- absorbed ' let them eat cake' liar .
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if an arsonist tells you your house is on fire, does it change the fact that your house is on fire? Al Gore may have invented the internet, but he didn't invent global warming. Stop looking at the messenger and examine the message.
"Pull it = pull the search."
Lol what?! I've heard that rediculous argument before. You've also been brainwashed into believing that the towers were brought down by fire. Well I have a question for you, why did the firemen in the tower say they were going to knock out the fire with two lines?
Lol, scary times we live in when so many people run around like lemmings spewing O'Liely's filth. What the heck do we need demolition companies for anyway? Why not just set a few waste baskets on fire to bring down the buildings?
Lol, what a joke...
"Either We'll Succeed, Or We Won't Succeed"
Bah hah hah hah hah!!!
"House Fails to Overturn War Spending Veto"
Surprise, surprise... couldn't find it in your eyes...
As more and more good humans realise this world is all about power and money from greedy and selfish tyrants, people will unite to defeat these Neo Cons faschists the true terrorists of humanity. When the peoples of planet earth will have understood there scare tactics trying to devide humanity (religions,political views,and more) , humanity will rise and unite.
The good people of earth have been lied to long enough and have sufford enough to the hands of these evil people.
Peace to all brothers and sisters who promote Peace and Love
watched the rage video if zach didn't have the balls to say 9/11 was an inside job he shouldn't have come back morello said they were gonna deliver a knockout punch my mother could have punched harder then again zachy probably wants all the fucking mexicans to get in so hes probably down with the NAU go to rages site and you'll see michael moore being pimped out ,
I was amused to hear Alex explain the word "boobies" does not necessarily refer exclusively to mammary glands. It reminds me of a book by Phillip Yancey, where he recounts a thought experiment at a huge Church:
"I'm gonna say two things, and I predict that I will get far more protest mail for the first thing I say than the other.
1) "F**K"
2) Starving children are dying in Africa by the thousands daily.
Sure as eggs are eggs, MASSIVE protest over proposition 1, NO objection to proposition 2.
Some people really have screwed priorities.
oops. the firefighters had been out of he building since earlier that day. And, in respect to pull the search, how does...Weve had such a great loss of life...the best thing to do is pull the search?
Makes no sense.
There was no search. The firefighters had been Outherwise, why? Why not?
The Big Lie is a propaganda technique, defined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf as a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".
Fair enough, but this is the quote you heard:
I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse."
Never did he say "the building"
Pull it = pull the search.
Im pretty much done here. Its just very disingenuous when you ask question but dont acknowledge the answers.
Thats all these people do is say "ask questions" Question this that and the other thing.
well you know what, Question the people asking you to ask questions!
I mean no disrespect, but CD is a complete farce.
Last point: Why blow up 4 buildings in broad daylight on national tv with millions if not billions of eyewitness around the world?
Lata
and its moot, not mute.
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So MUTE means SILENT. and Moot means pointless so consider it an innocent Freudian slip.
I see your the type to spin the facts until they fit your desire. I heard him say "get the people out we need to pull the building down".
Study that!
Now do you wish to rethink your position?
I'll be back! see ya.
I still smell a rat and the audio of the building owner telling somebody to "pull it" kinda makes all this arguement about why it fell mute anyway. You know?
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Everyone is asking questions. Here are some answers. What does it take to realize there are alternate explanations. I dont claim to have all the answers. But this is no mystery to me.
The "pull" was reference to the search. Clearly no other explanation. Pull the search. Get the teams out of there, we lost enough life today.
They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street.
WTC Building 7 appears to have suffered significant damage at some point after the WTC Towers had collapsed, according to firefighters at the scene. Firefighter Butch Brandies tells other firefighters that nobody is to go into Building 7 because of creaking and noises coming out of there. [Firehouse Magazine, 8/02]
Yeah, we had to pull everybody back. It was very difficult. We had to be very forceful in getting the guys out. They didn’t want to come out. There were guys going into areas that I wasn’t even really comfortable with, because of the possibility of secondary collapses. We didn’t know how stable any of this area was. We pulled everybody back probably by 3 or 3:30 in the afternoon. We said, this building is going to come down, get back. It came down about 5 o’clock or so, but we had everybody backed away by then. At that point in time, it seemed like a somewhat smaller event, but under any normal circumstances, that’s a major event, a 47-story building collapsing. It seemed like a firecracker after the other ones came down, but I mean that’s a big building, and when it came down, it was quite an event. But having gone through the other two, it didn’t seem so bad. But that’s what we were concerned about. We had said to the guys, we lost as many as 300 guys. We didn’t want to lose any more people that day. And when those numbers start to set in among everybody… My feeling early on was we weren’t going to find any survivors. You either made it out or you didn’t make it out. It was a cataclysmic event. The idea of somebody living in that thing to me would have been only short of a miracle. This thing became geographically sectored because of the collapse. I was at West and Liberty. I couldn’t go further north on West Street. And I couldn’t go further east on Liberty because of the collapse of the south tower, so physically we were boxed in.
Early on, there was concern that 7 World Trade Center might have been both impacted by the collapsing tower and had several fires in it and there was a concern that it might collapse. So we instructed that a collapse area -- (Q. A collapse zone?) -- Yeah -- be set up and maintained so that when the expected collapse of 7 happened, we wouldn't have people working in it. There was considerable discussion with Con Ed regarding the substation in that building and the feeders and the oil coolants and so on. And their concern was of the type of fire we might have when it collapsed." - Chief Cruthers
and its moot, not mute.
two posts earlier I stated "any buildings" when i meant any skyscrapers. Sure buildings have but not the major skyscrapers types.
Across the street from 7. Yeah, that looks nice.
http://www.rayvaughan.com/images...ges/NYC/
5e7.jpg
and for the love of all that is holy. It didnt fall into its foot print. That is so naive and ignorant.
http://www.dabjab.com/blog/archi.../archi...t.air-
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Not to contradict just to contradict, but I must stress that from what I was able to view, it DID fall relatively in its footprint. It sure did not go too far out of it.
Further it WAS the emergency command center for NYC and was ridiculed for it's location and is now been properely placed at a safer location in the Bronx. I still smell a rat and the audio of the building owner telling somebody to "pull it" kinda makes all this arguement about why it fell mute anyway. You know?
sane it is obvious they don't read their own information. Any logic driven seeker of knowledge learns to follow a few basic rules of sceintific observation. One big one being to allow the data to take you wherever it goes and not put expectations of what you study to interfere with the results. Difficult for people that don't wish to see the truth but "think" they do see it in some sort of schizophrenic observation of things real they pick and choose to satisfy the expected result. Thus leaving reality out of it altogether.
I can never understand how any thinking person would look at WTC#7 and rationalize it was a natural happening based on the other towers. Any person who ever took physics understands that things like buildings prefer to follow gravity and the Engineers designing them used sound design techniques and top notch building materials. These buildings were not thrown up like in a 3rd world country, they had specs. Now the POP SCI guys want you to believe their spin about these buildings when never before, or since 9/11/02 did ANY building collapse that was burning. Including buildings taller than those. Remember the one in SE Asia a year or so after 9/11? That building lost its facade yet the STEEL was still standing the next day. Go figure, how could it loose the outside, the fire was so hot, yet the steel stays perfectly intact?
Nope not gonna beleive the fairy tales the media spread about the WTC's. I have my own eyes and my own mind to have to answer to and I just don't have the heart to lie to myself about important matters such as treason. Because when you look closely, it is really about the treason perpetuated on the US of A! We have been sold down the river like black slaves in the 19th century to this highest (Haliburton comes to mind) bidder.
http://www.zombietime.com/wtc_9-13-2001/
LEANING? why didn't it tumble instead of CDing onto its own foot print?
Because you dont know enough about the physics or the damage. Lets wait for an official report that you can say is BS anyway.
and for the love of all that is holy. It didnt fall into its foot print. That is so naive and ignorant.
http://www.dabjab.com/blog/archi.../archi...t.air-
I agree Sane. What it needed was a cool soundtrack to brainwash you.
Did you not see the part of the roof collapsing before the rest?
Ive never seen that before, from any other conspiracy site.
Open your eyes, thanks to whomever found that.
That guy needs to learn how to count though. It was definately more than 7 seconds, not 16 but at least 11 or 12.
btw Sane, How long should it take??
Tim, this is the biggest pile of shit ever recorded. Its full of crap. I jave personally researched there claims and they are misguided to be kind.
Here is a start.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/
Dont believe these kids. They dont know enough to know what they dont know.
Peace.
Kyle | 05.02.07 - 12:39 pm | #
LMFAO
Dude the last video is so funny.
They show WTC EXPLODING throwing tons of metal girders in all directions and say that is what caused a classic CD of a 47 story high rise. They say this to support the official explanation that no demolition material was used, even though anyone around saw 1,000% more damage to Millennium. Also they quote firefighters saying it was leaning. LEANING? why didn't it tumble instead of CDing onto its own foot print?
I love watching the debunker videos, they are so funny. All they do is give more evidence supporting the truth.
They say stuff like "you see that 'A'? Well it is actually a 'B'."
They are hilarious.
Then at the end they say "ask questions, recognize answers"
I almost farted with laughter. They really think they can put up a "truth style" video to stave off the inevitable.
They must not realize yet that their videos lack an essential part of a "truth video." That part is called "TRUTH."
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On "the View" this am, Elisabeth Hasselbeck announced she was invited to attend a "State Dinner" from the Queen of England. This is an invitation to one of the biggest neocon fests ever put on by a dictator.
Looks like Elisabeth is one they want to mold properly.
Tim, this is the biggest pile of shit ever recorded. Its full of crap. I jave personally researched there claims and they are misguided to be kind.
Here is a start.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/
Dont believe these kids. They dont know enough to know what they dont know.
Peace.
Hope there is a lot of interest in the documentary. I suspect that there will be especially from everyone else excluding dumb down Americans.
This is a picture of WTC7 falling "neatly" into its footprint
http://www.dabjab.com/blog/archi.../archi...t.air-
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A 3min clip documenting most of the damage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A...h? v=Afb7eUHr64U
Its clear to most this took a beating. A 1000+ft structure collapsed a couple of blocks away. Do the math.
Finally, and I dont necessarily agree with the counting or the way this clip was done,
but the pictures speak for themselves. The collapse WAS longer than 7 seconds. The E roof goes first then bringing down the rest of a compromised building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G...v=G...ode=user&
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THe pictures I think speak for themselves.
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Did you know alex predicted it? huh?? didnt thinks so.
You want to know his other predictions? He can see the future. He will warn of us the next one before its too late. Earthquakes and tsunamis too.
I dont care about your pictures. Alex knows silly little people living in caves couldnt do this. You think the twin towers fell because cavemen learned to fly?
So Rage Against the machine wants the neo cons Hung AND Shot.
Well, better safe than sorry I suppose.
More on blog whispers from the other thread:
http://www.haloscan.com/
comments...omments11#70936
9/11 is something you can PROVE to be a lie, stick to what you can PROVE. We have a chance finally open the lid on pandora's box for the whole world to see, don't turn them off by trying to out "knowledge" each other on the most meaningless details.
Citizen Pawn | Homepage | 05.02.07 - 9:21 am | #
Don't know if you realize it, but groups hire marketing terms to Blog Whisper on this site to drum up infighting. Most of the bickering comes from these whispers. I posted it on a thread yesterday.
It is just like all the other conflicts they cause (Sunni/Shia, etc.). Why should we think that we are immune?
you are right Citizen Pawn
I recently started participating on the Prison Planet comment section here. As a fellow9/11 truther I must say that the infighting among us has GOT TO STOP. Here and on many other 9/11 forums I have witnessed such insane, hateful, romper room, junior high, baseless, accusatory, women's beauty salon gossip equivalent, random, every which way but up, all over the map posts, that if I were an outsider I would think that I've stepped into a jungle of metaphoric jargon so bad I wouldn't know where the facts begin and the lies end.
Jesuits, Masons, Knights of Malta, Daughters of Job, Shriners, etc., etc., etc. The American population has a hard enough time understanding what the term "controlled demolition" means, and you're gonna load them up with things that take a lifetime to learn and are so hidden in plain site that one would need xray vision to even begin to see??????????????
Lord almighty guys, I'm not saying there is no basis to what's being said, but I'm dizzy enough from all the evidence of 9/11. Settle the F*** down and pull it together. Stop bickering like an over caffeinated teenager that just discovered porn.
Stick to the friggin truth, stick to the movement, stick to the message. What the hell is going off on a million different tangents going to do for US?
Seriously, some of you guys need to get outside and breathe some fresh air and calm the F*** down and focus.
The infighting between us HAS TO STOP or else we will fall apart as a people who share a common goal. Grow the hell up and become MEN with a common purpose. Stop treating this whole thing as a platform to show the world what you "know" or how clever you are at connecting all the dots.
9/11 is something you can PROVE to be a lie, stick to what you can PROVE. We have a chance finally open the lid on pandora's box for the whole world to see, don't turn them off by trying to out "knowledge" each other on the most meaningless details.
you're right sane. look beyond the curtains.
Illuminati and not-Jewish Tony Blair will resign within 10 days due to his connections with child sex rings:
http://www.counterpunch.org/
jame...es01292003.html
http://news.scotsman.com/topics....4&
id=1280912003
http://www.newsahead.com/PREVIEW...10_%
20years.htm
Message: go after the wizards, not the curtains that protect them (Sunni/Shia-Jews/Arabs-Repub/Dem-Conservative/
Liberal, etc.)
What airline would be so thoughtless as to show a film about airplanes crashing? Ridiculous
I'VE BEEN STUDYING THE NEW WORLD ORDER FOR 20 YEARS. SO DON'T PREACH TO ME, CHOIRBOY. DON'T BE SURPRISED IF THE NSA ACCEPTS YOUR APPLICATION, YOUR DOING THEIR JOB FOR THEM NOW FOR FREE.
Gabriel Alan King | 05.02.07 - 6:40 am | #
Thanks for cleaning out the bullshit before 9am.
Greatly appreciated
Repeat after me. I will not think outside of the box. I will not think outside of the box. I will not think outside of the box.
Mayday Mayday Mayday! M'aidez!
The nazis are alarming!
Illuminati Illuminati Illuminati! Help us!
The globe is warming!
Happy birthday, Prince Charles.
Time for the Order to die!
Why would I care about offending Zionists?
Where's the outrage about Saint James Hunt ending the mystery of the JFK assassination. One spook vouching for another.
Also Maverick,
Homosexuality is wrong, because I think it is, and the Bible says it is.
Our government is infested with treasonous homosexuals, who are part of the grand conspiracy.
Alex does touch on this, but he doesn't rant about it continually- because he is also trying to win over the homosexual community to 911 truth. Are you getting it yet?
Not all homosexuals are wholly evil. They just have defects of character, like all of us do. If homosexuals want to join 911 truth, we should welcome them to the team.
And if Mormons or Catholics want to join the 911 truth movement, I will welcome them with open arms. We need not bicker about religious beliefs, differences of opinions, or choices of lifestyle.
THIS IS A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION OF INDIVIDUALS, FOLLOWING A CHAIN OF EVIDENCE. NOT A DEBATE OVER THE LEGITIMACY OR "PECKING ORDER" OF SATANS NEW WORLD ORDER FRONT ORGANIZATIONS.
Just so it makes you feel better Maverick, here is a small list of the organizations involved in the Grand Conspiracy:
Lucifer(of course), Fallen angels(evil aliens), The Committee of 300, The Jesuit Order, The Zionists(Talmud, Money Changers), The Rothschild family, The Club of Rome, The Builderbergers, The Rosicrucians, The knights Templar, The knights of Malta, The Catholic Church, The Mormon Church, Numerous protestant denominations(501c3 tax exempt traitors), Skull & Bones, The Order of Death, Scroll & Key, MJ-12, The Trilateral Commission, The Council on Foreign Relations, Rhodes Scholars, The Jason Society, All governments intelligence communities, The military industrial Complex, Bohemian Grove, Satan Worshippers, Temple of Set, OTO, Freemasonry, Shriners, The Jokers, The Illuminati, the Policy Committee, The Druids, Wiccans, Sorcerers, Warlocks, and the order of the Grand Pu-bah(Flinstones).
Happy Birthday to the Illuminati(Fuckers) May 1st, 1776.
Maverick.
As usual, your comments compel a response from me. Your totally right. Let's alienate 950+million Roman Catholics from the truth movement. Hey, while were at it, let's offend the entire civilized world by ranting about "Zionism".
Hell Maverick, if we do things your way, I'll bet by next week we can thin out the patriot movement to a couple hundred people. And of course we should also "rant" about lesbians BECAUSE IT'S TRUE! And Rosie O Donnell is one, so I guess we should offend her out of the movement also because of Janet Reno.
Yeah Mav. There are Jesuits and Knights of Malta in the conspiracy. And Zionists. And Illuminists. And Black people. And White people. And Oriental people.
Maybe we should get mad at Alex cause he doesn't expose the BLACK CONNECTION. Condaleeza Rice is BLACK.
Or maybe we should attack Alex cause he doesn't expose the ORIENTAL CONNECTION. John Woo is ORIENTAL.
Alex Jones is constantly raising public awareness to violations of the Constitution, Trojan Horse legislation, and government abuses and corruption. Alex works tirelessly to bring us quality documentaries, important interviews, and timely intelligence. WHAT THE FUCK HAVE YOU DONE, JACKOFF? WHAT DO YOU NEED, A FUCKING ROAD MAP?
I'VE BEEN STUDYING THE NEW WORLD ORDER FOR 20 YEARS. SO DON'T PREACH TO ME, CHOIRBOY. DON'T BE SURPRISED IF THE NSA ACCEPTS YOUR APPLICATION, YOUR DOING THEIR JOB FOR THEM NOW FOR FREE.
I saw a documentary regarding the collapse of Enron and also 'Fun with Dick and Jane' while on a Virgin Transatlantic flight last August, so I can believe Richard Branson is batting for the good guys. Maybe Alex could secure an interview with him. As a by-line, I don't know where all the venom is coming from in some other posts here. Be suspicious.
.Digg- Help Alex Jones:
http://digg.com/videos/
education...t_Could_KILLYou
"So your approach to ending the fear mongering is to suggest that Alex Jones is CIA , thereby attempting to instill fear in people who listen to Alex ? "
I certainly did not intend to scare anybody with my comments. How those words are taken is up to that individual - just like listening to Alex. Fear tactics are not respectable. My only CIA reference was a general statement - I could have said SS and it wouldn't have made a difference. I went with CIA as that is a favorite target of prisonplanet.
More than likely I'm entirely wrong, won't be the first time. Best case scenario: Alex just got some constructive criticism that will help to improve his website in the future.
"Can you connect your statements with a link ?
Alex Jones gives his listeners the news and I hate to break it to you but - the news isn't good."
This is not in a condescending tone : I am fully aware that the news isn't good.
Which statement would you like a link for? I will attempt to provide them.
For instance, "Stop Drinking Water Now" --
I don't have a link but any regular reader of prisonplanet certainly remembers it.
As far as Kevin's appearance on FOX - it took place, anybody reading this message board most likely saw it. Tell me which statement with regards to it is incorrect and I will stand down.
The Aaron Russo interview: I will search for it and provide the link if needed. Not an interview technique I would recommend for any up and coming journalists out there.
I will by no means convey that I am certain of my previous statements. They were just that : statements. All backed by actual events as I saw them. Their cause, effect, or place yet to be determined.
The end message of Prisonplanet, IMHO, is that you cannot succeed as an individual within our society. You must join together in the streets and put an end to the madness. Regardless of whether or not it is even perceived by the messenger; that is a message from a Nationalist. I prefer individualism. Which, not surprisingly, can only be achieved by individuals -- not groups of people in a street.
Nationalism, as this very website has repeated over and over again; it's very, very dangerous. Never logical or reasonable. Always force involved. Very foolish.
By the way,for those that have never heard of the ANSWER COALITION,their website is here: http://answer.pephost.org/site/
P...me=ANS_homepage
If you ever get approached by these folks to join or participate, I can only advise against doing so. That's all I'm going to say about that.......for now!
(wink)
Citizen Pawn of Cue Citizen
It's a good thing to keep a watchful eye on ANYONE who claims to be giving you the truth. I've listened to Alex Jones for years and when the day is done I know that because of his show I have been informed to things I never would have been informed of.
I also realize that Alex is not a GOD, he is just human like we all are. Alex is also not the 9/11 movement, he is not the "key" as a man. Many people hold Alex Jones in the light of some cult leader, which is dangerous to do. Alex Jones is a man and men are full of pride and ego, myself included. He has also stated this many times on air, so he shares that feeling, and if he disagreed with that theory tomorrow I would turn his show off forever never to return.
I don't agree with everything Alex says either. There are many times where I want to call him up and tell him to "knock it off", especially when he speaks negatively about people that have different views about the Universe/Space/Spirituality/Etc.
It is curious though that Alex predicted 9/11 almost to the day, and named Bin Laden, Planes, False Terror, etc. I get very suspicious when someone does something even a so called "psychic" couldn't even see (not that I invest in psychics). It's also curious about his web pages going live prior to the event, but remember that he did loads of journalistic work before that time.
I do wonder how he has never had a serious threat or attack on his life, which in all reality would have been easy to do by a government hitter, but then again to make him a martyr would have a total reverse effect.
Point being, you can go around all day pointing out "curiosities" about anyone with some fame or recognition, it's lonely at the top. I haven't seen a real reason why he would be a "shill" or an infiltrator. There would be no reason for it that I can think of with all that I've seen from him.
If you want to talk about someone who has been truly infiltrated, take a look at the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition. I could spend hours talking about that outfit...WHOA NELLY are they a hotbed for spooks.No 9/11 truther should even get near them, just a bit of advice.
As far as A.J. goes, if there was ever some definite proof that he was "shilling" for someone, he would be publicly lynched. It's really not good to throw accusations like that around. If you're wrong, you lose a great asset and possibly get him killed.
I just wish that Alex would motivate more people to get out in the STREETS and off their computer. He touts himself as a documentary film maker, which he is, but the search for info should not be taking up 90% of our time as a whole, the time for ACTION and civil disobedience should.
My only advice would be to take what he teaches and USE IT. Stop rehashing what we know and leave that to the newcomers to 9/11 truth. Those of us that are "vets" should be leading the next level of dissent, which ultimately seeks JUSTICE and not more of the same.
Anyways, that's my rant.
Citizen Pawn of http://www.cuecitizen.com
Loose Change 2, is available at our locqal video renatl store and has been for a long time. ILoose Change was furthermore, shown on national television not too long ago. Of course, this is Australia, not the USA. My aprents recently woke up to the truth after long bresistance from a TV report about BBC reporting the collpase early. I don't watch the MSM as a rule, not printed or TV. But from all appearances the cracks are appearing here at least.
911 was the flashpoint when Saturn Gemini (Twins, structures) was in direct opposition to Pluto Sagittarius (total destruction, religion)
Sag is the symbol of an a arrow, with Pluto death pointed at the twin towers Saturn Gemini. It was so perfect, and they lied.....gemini/sag.
they won't stop, but they won't win either.
Another plan which is divine is in the works, one they can't battle. Magic, mystical, out of this world....time is running through the hour glass and they must know it. Stay true to your path, never give in to the darkness.
God Bless All
And don't listen to anybody that attempts to pass along a message via fear within any spectrum. More often then not, they are not legit.
John Galt | 05.02.07 - 12:55 am |
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So your approach to ending the fear mongering is to suggest that Alex Jones is CIA , thereby attempting to instill fear in people who listen to Alex ? Can you connect your statements with a link ?
Alex Jones gives his listeners the news and I hate to break it to you but - the news isn't good . The news is scary in and of itself. Alex simply explains why ....mercury is in vaccines or how mind control works because otherwise, the news just seems about random unrelated events. Are you really that jaded ?
Let them have it all, all the Saturnian goods of the earth, which they can never really have. Live your life. They have nothing to offer you, rise above it all. We are about to enter a very terrible time, enjoy the now. Do your personal work while you can, be ready to move on and leave this horrific bondage to the masses. Divorce, divorce, divorce yourself from the past, ownership, the physical body. Embrace change and evolution....
America is going to wage war across the sands of Arabia and spill much blood. Our karmic debt will be paid at home when the US moon is conjunct by Neptune, and following Pluto conjunct natal US Pluto in 2022. Our nation will be returned to its rightful owners, the red man. We come full circle, but before we war with ourselves with progressed US mars turning retrograde, the war is within. Civil war, followed by revolution which begins when Uranus enters Aries in 2010 it will really heat up worldwide. Wars and rumors of wars, civil wars. Pull up your pants and put on your boots kids, your parents were right....R E V O L U T I O N.
See 911, your first hit is the right one......odd. It looked like the hotel in Vegas being brought down, nuf said it was.
I don't beLIEve anything anymore or anyone. I look at the facts, I use logic and it always works. This country is being destroyed, as is the world. I don't watch TV, haven't in 20 yrs, thank god. I don't read the paper, I dig out the facts from many sources, but I always use common sense and that never fails us.
This is a picture of WTC7 falling "neatly" into its footprint
http://www.dabjab.com/blog/archi...t.air-
thumb.jpg
A 3min clip documenting most of the damage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A...h?
v=Afb7eUHr64U
Its clear to most this took a beating. A 1000+ft structure collapsed a couple of blocks away. Do the math.
Finally, and I dont necessarily agree with the counting or the way this clip was done,
but the pictures speak for themselves. The collapse WAS longer than 7 seconds. The E roof goes first then bringing down the rest of a compromised building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G...ode=user&
search
THe pictures I think speak for themselves.
Many of you have some incredibly open minds - which is outstanding. It is wonderful to see so many people taking many different views into account - that is healthy and applauded.
For those that are convinced that 9/11 was an 'inside job' - you MUST then believe that disinformation exists. You MUST believe that specific people are actively attempting to dilute or destroy the truth movement.
Well.....
I found a website that could be a tool to spread fear, misinformation, and infiltrate the 9/11 truth movement -- they have been so successful that they are the virtual leader now within that group.
It was launched in June of 2001, strangely enough just a few months before 9/11, and since then has been the main source and most active website for 9/11 conspiracy theorists to gather. It has served to distract true patriots fighting for individual rights while leading them to believe that they are within a group that has good intentions.
Never have they wavered that the 'truth' about 9/11 must be uncovered - while stating unabated that it is a 'inside job'. As they continue to hammer away at this issue, their choices of articles linked within their website continue to get more and more out there -- which will always serve to discredit their claims when mainstream journalists or citizens investigate.
Never will they mention to their loyal followers that it really doesn't matter what happened on 9/11 - the only issue is fighting for our ever decreasing individual rights. This website is a stroke of genius, while being an abomination to mankind and all that support the individual.
Anyone that views the website objectively can see that the overall message is...
Be scared!! They are out to get you!! These people have the power to take over the world!! You must gather together and fight together!! You cannot succeed as an individual!!
Here's the link to the website =
www.prisonplanet.com
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Further example:
Kevin sent to Mancow's debut show on FOX. Now that was entertaining.
It was a horrible decision that should never have been considered. Alex was not interested in millions of viewers on FOX? Oh yes, prior family commitments -- couldn't make it. I see.
Instead, the decision was made to send an assistant that has never been on television before? If FOX would only accept a person that had never been on television before, then the answer should have been, "No thank you." This was the premier of Mancow's show - a large venue. Before watching the show, even my cat was able to figure out the angle Mancow would take. He was going to attack Kevin, and that is no place for a first-timer. Of course there was a little write-up about how poor Kevin got edited over and over and had to do take after take.
Boo-hoo Kevin. Boo-hoo.
On top of that, Kevin was on television promoting a massive conspiracy -- one that the average American would pay little attention to. There is a
little evidence that a rogue group within our government planned the attacks. There's a chance, but it's the last thing you should ever attempt to convince somebody of. There is an enormous amount of evidence that we allowed the 9/11 attacks to occur, or at the least provoked them. There is never-ending evidence to support the fact that the 9/11 attacks have been used to pass countless laws against the individual and push our republic towards dictatorship, in fact we are essentially already
there. Those are the only things to concentrate on, everything else is distraction.
The intentions of those attempting to spread the word to the masses of the declining individual rights in this country must always have a clear,
logical, and reasonable approach. Otherwise it will be an utter failure, as has been the case thus far.
Time and time again articles posted on Prisonplanet discredit the reasonable ones. Example : "Stop Drinking Water Now." That link is the single dumbest thing I have ever seen posted on Prisonplanet, and there have been a lot of illogical links. Basically, everyday there is always at least one absolutely ridiculous story that has few legs to stand on. They discredit the entire body of work, and should not be allowed. My bet is that was a sponsor and a paid advertisement : if that is the case, then you should say it. Instead, you have decided to discredit your own website....unless of course that it is the purpose.
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More evidence:
Alex interviews Aaron Russo:
(paraphrase), "Have you spoken to Rockefeller since he told you that there would be an 'event' before 9/11 occurred?"
He answered, "No..." very slowly and started showing every sign that a prosecutor would look for in a liar.
Obviously the next question is going to be, "Why not? How could you not?!"
Nope, time for Alex to change the subject.
Or is Prisonplanet just saying, "Yes, the CIA most definitely has been spreading misinformation, creating websites and spreading lies & distractions into the general consciousness ...but you just got to believe us that we aren't part of it and we just felt it was the right time to start our website in June of 2001."
Best of luck to all. If you are an individual -- forget luck, you won't need it. And don't listen to anybody that attempts to pass along a message via fear within any spectrum. More often then not, they are not legit. Of course we were lied to about 9/11. But you must check your premises.
Ron Paul is the BOMB!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A...related&
search=
Not about Al Gore. It's about survival of the planet for our children.
mckt | 05.01.07 - 11:56 pm
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If he is the one proposing a carbon tax on those of us who can least afford it,while he spends said tax money luxuries for himself, then it is about him and what he believes. He is a hypocrite and not to be believed for anything. Major self- absorbed ' let them eat cake' liar .
AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH
Al Gore's 20 room private mansion uses 20 times the national US average of gas and electricity. As Gore lavishes himself in his heated swimming pool, poor people and the middle class await the onslaught of "carbon taxes" to eviscerate any disposable income they have left.
My brain feels like a 5 year olds etch-a-sketch.
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Not about Al Gore. It's about survival of the planet for our children.
True, WTC 7 was constructed later, but it was constructed by mob run constuction companies that defied every requirement in order to skim millions in construction costs, a lot of which went into paying off the building inspectors. That whole complex is a house of cards.
Fire causes steel to lose structural rigity. Once this begins the integrity of the building becomes suspect. After that the building is only as strong as its weakest link.
You are talking hundreds of thousands of pounds, possibly millions of pounds shifted around on a compromised structure. Dont forget these building were 1/4 mile high. More chances for failure and more work for the lower floors to support loads they were never designed to carry.
As for the fall itself? Hard to say what it should look like. It was a global failure. Once it started to go there was no stopping it and failures occured all over the place from top to bottom as it built momentum.
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No offence, but you have to be kidding.All you've done here is regurgitate an article you read,almost word for word.
Where are your links giving some weight to what you say?
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And of course the unique construction of WTC was also partially responsible for its ultimate demise once you add all the factors together.
No_CD | 05.01.07 - 9:33 pm | #
What does this mean?"unique construction" and how is it partially responsible for the demise of itself? The buildings were designed to sustain an airliner impact not to mention extremely high winds and other built in safety measures.
If you want drawings of the inner structure let me know.It's a worthy read.
I find it impossible to believe that after the planes hit both towers, every single truss,nut,bolt and fireproofing gave way insantaneously.
The material in the buildings couldn't possibly generate the heat needed to weaken the steel core.Look at the smoke.Ever seen a good fire burn when smoke is present? I haven't.......EVER.
Compromised structure? The planes hit almost near the top.Did that loosen the foundation pillars sunk many feet beneath earth and bedrock?
Even if your statements are true, the buildings should have collapsed to one side or left some floors still standing.
Total collapse is ludicrous.Explain WTC 7.Total collapse, less fires and no plane.
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Take six steps and then turn around. That's how fast WTC 7 fell COMPLETELY to the ground. Count to ten. That's how fast the North tower crumpled into practically nothing.
WTC 7 had a good part of the collapsing N tower fall into it damaging it, causing fires that burned out of control for hours.
Again it had a unique tube in tube construction.
From 2pm on it was believed to be unworthy and the noises from inside, the gaping holes and the fires plus its construction all played a part.
There was also a con ed substation present and had drums of diesel fuel stored there, 10's thousands of gallons. Unknown if that contributed but is possible because the power was cut and the generators kicked on.
The collapse took longer than 7 seconds as visible in some videos.
A large portion of the E.Penthouse on the roof is slearly seen collapsing first then 3-7 seconds later, when most footage of the collapse is shown, the rest falls. Total time anywhere from 10-14 seconds.
Everyone on the ground knew that building wasnt going to make it. It wasnt the fires, or the falling debris, or the construction--it was all of them put together.
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Not true. WTC 7 was not constructed at the same time as the twin towers, nor was it constucted like the twin towers. Check your facts.
The top officials of the bush administration are liars murders and war criminals and deserve to sit in the defendant's dock of the Nuremberg court. Hopefully they will be found guilty and sentenced to death by hanging. I hope I am allowed to be their hangman.
hangman | 05.01.07 - 11:20 pm | #
Better yet -- life in prison at GITMO, stripped of all money and power.
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This is crazy. No amount of explosive can pulverize the WTC towers like what you saw. You cannot ignore this phenomenon. The ONLY thing that explains the total decomposition into powder is if the concrete was 1/4 the denisity it should have been. If you want to discuss conspiracy discuss the corruption in the NYC building industry and the building inspection department. This magnificent building may have been designed to absorb a commercial airliner, but it was built like a house of cards. The bad guys are not in Washington DC, they are in NYC's mob-infested goverment offices.
Even pro-Zionist historians like Benny Morris, who strongly defends the horrific ethnic cleansing of 1948 by saying "There are circumstances in history that justify ethnic cleansing" now admit that the Palestinian accounts of 1948 are correct: Whole villages were bayoneted, to the last woman and child, to terrify most of the Palestinian population into fleeing its homeland. Israel and the US media told the big lie that followed, and Morris-style apologies for such pure evil, must be held accountable. Kevin Barrett @ MUJCA
A propaganda poster that appeared in the late 60’s had a picture of a baby impaled on a bayonet. I for one could not identify the weapon as American, maybe the photograph was taken during this operation. The Jews are fed on propaganda glorifying the genocidal exploits of their murderous ancestors, they would maraud across the land slaying with the sword all they encountered. We say the Jews have marauded far enough.
“Yesterday at this spot the Israelis shot eight young men, six of whom were under the age of eighteen. One was twelve. This afternoon they kill an eleven-year-old boy, Ali Murad, and seriously wound four more, three of whom are under eighteen. Children have been shot in other conflicts I have covered—death squads gunned them down in El Salvador and Guatemala, mothers with infants were lined up and massacred in Algeria, and Serb snipers put children in their sights and watched them crumple onto the pavement in Sarajevo—but I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport.” (Chris Hedges, “A Gaza Diary” Harpers Magazine, October 2001).
Read Frederick Forsyth’s The Odessa File, substitute Jew war criminals for Nazi war criminals and you have the recipe for Izzy Wyner’s existence, he was a Station Master on the underground rail route that provided Jew and Lebanese war criminals from numerous conflicts, with the necessaries for immigration and settlement into Australia. He as a scab union official, provided union tickets which enabled the Lebs to get preferred jobs on the Sydney Waterfront. Wikipedia says he is a good guy.
The Lebs were the Jews mercenary force, read about the Sabra and Shatilla massacres carried out at the behest of Israel, by those same Lebs who were infiltrated into the NSW branch of the P&D's union, then encouraged to use their murder skills here, vale Joe Borg. 28 November 2006.
Where the hell are the police: Porn sites depicting the criminal assault of young people abound on the internet. One sequence, a young female person has surgical sutures inserted in her genitalia... next frame a pair of industrial pliers are inserted in a wound on a young persons genitalia... next frame a number of people are naked around a raised platform upon which is a child with numbers of similar industrial tools inserted in a similar wound, there is an old fuddy duddy dancing nude in the foreground. Other frames of young women who appear to have died violently, and people in obvious fear. Links advertising sites with such titles as 'Young Girls Tortured and Killed.' We have a death penalty policy here. So look out y'all web masters the man with the noose is after you.
Jonbenet Ramsay appears nude in highly revealing photo spreads on internet porn sites. She was sexually assaulted and murdered during the 1990’s her father reported discovering her body at home, he has since used court judgments obtained by high priced lawyers to avoid providing a DNA sample.
Update: The photos all appear to have been taken during the same session, the latest to appear is a poor quality video of her engaging in sexual intercourse with a male person 5’ 8”, aged late thirties to early forties, little fat, semi muscular build, medium length thinning dark hair. Likely her father, alleging her death took place during this session, he filmed the event and posted the footage on the internet. Shame on the FBI.
It is my belief Semites control internet porn. If Miss Ramsay’s photographs were taken the day she was murdered and some Jew webmaster has been peddling pictures or movies of the event, and the whole conspiracy were to be prosecuted in a court of capital jurisdiction, the death toll could be horrendous.
Everyone on the ground knew that building wasnt going to make it. It wasnt the fires, or the falling debris, or the construction--it was all of them put together.
Anonymous | 05.01.07 - 10:55 pm
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Why didn't any of this rich information make it into the 9-11 commission report ?
The top officials of the bush administration are liars murders and war criminals and deserve to sit in the defendant's dock of the Nuremberg court. Hopefully they will be found guilty and sentenced to death by hanging. I hope I am allowed to be their hangman.
Everyone on the ground knew that building wasnt going to make it. It wasnt the fires, or the falling debris, or the construction--it was all of them put together.
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Sure. It's a pity the official report can't explain why it fell into a relatively neat pile..
WTC 7 had a good part of the collapsing N tower fall into it damaging it, causing fires that burned out of control for hours.
Again it had a unique tube in tube construction.
From 2pm on it was believed to be unworthy and the noises from inside, the gaping holes and the fires plus its construction all played a part.
There was also a con ed substation present and had drums of diesel fuel stored there, 10's thousands of gallons. Unknown if that contributed but is possible because the power was cut and the generators kicked on.
The collapse took longer than 7 seconds as visible in some videos.
A large portion of the E.Penthouse on the roof is slearly seen collapsing first then 3-7 seconds later, when most footage of the collapse is shown, the rest falls. Total time anywhere from 10-14 seconds.
Everyone on the ground knew that building wasnt going to make it. It wasnt the fires, or the falling debris, or the construction--it was all of them put together.
@RCF
I can tell you dont know enough about physics to use "should haves"
and you dont know enough about the construction of WTC to see why that played a role.
Healthy skepticism is a good thing but be prepared to recognize the answers for thew questions you are asked.
Posting links is virtually pointless. Most people dont bother to open them and if it is contrary to what they believe or want to believe they call them liars, or fakes or etc. But I will indulge you.
http://wtc.nist.gov/
reports_octo...s_october05.htm
This is all peer reviewed and accepted in the scientific community and is 10,000 pages long.
This is much shorter. Please read.
http://vincentdunn.com/wtc.html
NAU = EU = AU
Americans: Are you aware of this deal? You should be..welcome to your global government, as implemented by stealth. Do your research - find out what's being done in your name. I don't think you're going to like what you read.
Welcome to patriotism. Welcome to looking out for your country's best interests..welcome to finding out those "conspiracy nuts" really were trying to warn you all along.
Now, are you going to listen to cranks like Perry Logan, or are you going to deal in real-world issues? Because make no mistake - what's happening is real, and it affects each and every one of you. A global government is destroying you from within.
I urge all of you to support companies like this that are willing to stand up for free speech. Please go to their website and email your support for them. It seems the work is definately turning...
Sell Al Gore's mansions, and all the mansions of the phoney hypocrites that are for a global warming-kill the middle class tax- and sell phony John Travolta's fleet of jets and hot air balloons to pay the global warming tax, throw in all the money from the idiot rock festivals, not to mention all the Lottery money which always gets ripped off, {wasn't the lottery suppose to get rid of taxes, another bullshit lie like oil prices would go down after Iraq). 911 was an inside job, global warming is a lie, the Queen is a Mason, and JFK's murder was an inside job.
setting the record straight! Zach never remained silent.
Fire causes steel to lose structural rigity. Once this begins the integrity of the building becomes suspect. After that the building is only as strong as its weakest link.
You are talking hundreds of thousands of pounds, possibly millions of pounds shifted around on a compromised structure. Dont forget these building were 1/4 mile high. More chances for failure and more work for the lower floors to support loads they were never designed to carry.
As for the fall itself? Hard to say what it should look like. It was a global failure. Once it started to go there was no stopping it and failures occured all over the place from top to bottom as it built momentum.
No_CD | 05.01.07 - 9:25 pm | #
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No offence, but you have to be kidding.All you've done here is regurgitate an article you read,almost word for word.
Where are your links giving some weight to what you say?
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And of course the unique construction of WTC was also partially responsible for its ultimate demise once you add all the factors together.
No_CD | 05.01.07 - 9:33 pm | #
What does this mean?"unique construction" and how is it partially responsible for the demise of itself? The buildings were designed to sustain an airliner impact not to mention extremely high winds and other built in safety measures.
If you want drawings of the inner structure let me know.It's a worthy read.
I find it impossible to believe that after the planes hit both towers, every single truss,nut,bolt and fireproofing gave way insantaneously.
The material in the buildings couldn't possibly generate the heat needed to weaken the steel core.Look at the smoke.Ever seen a good fire burn when smoke is present? I haven't.......EVER.
Compromised structure? The planes hit almost near the top.Did that loosen the foundation pillars sunk many feet beneath earth and bedrock?
Even if your statements are true, the buildings should have collapsed to one side or left some floors still standing.
Total collapse is ludicrous.Explain WTC 7.Total collapse, less fires and no plane.
GREAT WORK ALEX JONES:All the dipshits attacking you today,only shows they the real kook aid drinkers without any brains or lack of God given common sense as to the lies of 911.They are getting real scared shitty right now,the truth which is unstoppable is bringing out the scum nwo pimps and whores who hate patroit christian constitutional men and women of the alex jones site.Go to hell,we the truthers will prevail,we got God and his SON JESUS CHRIST ON OUR SIDE,you assholes know him right,HE IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE.TERRY THE VET
"Interesting Health Fact Alex:
Did you know that in the human body there is a nerve that connects the eyeball to the anus?
It's called the Anal Optic Nerve and it is responsible for giving people a shitty outlook on life.
If you don't believe it, try to pull a hair from your butt and see if it doesn't bring a tear to your eye.
Be sure to tell your followers while they drink the Kool Aid, LOL,
Fools, FOOLS !!!!!
Alex sounds desperate ! | 05.01.07 - 8:35 pm | # "
YAY, way to not address any arguement of Alex's on a factual level. Please, continue to spew your pointless drool...
No_CD, Excellent ! That makes sense to me, thank you.
Somebody wrote:
Interesting Health Fact Alex:
Did you know that in the human body there is a nerve that connects the eyeball to the anus?
It's called the Anal Optic Nerve and it is responsible for giving people a shitty outlook on life.
If you don't believe it, try to pull a hair from your butt and see if it doesn't bring a tear to your eye.
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This has a certain degree of literary elan. A chuckle factor of 4 out of five - but hey, as the Good Book says "pull the nerve out of your own, erhm, eye".
In other words, talk is cheap, reasoned refutation very short on these pages by people like yourself.
You'll have to excuse me. I've just seen Perry Logan on Youtube for the first time, and I'm still unsure what I actually saw. All I know is I need a Tylenol.
"Austin's own Perry Logan?". Almost scarier than the superhighway...
Thats why they fireproof it. Esp. in a high rise. No, it will not melt but it will soften and become pliable like a soft piece of taffy. No where to go but down. In the case of wtc add the damage caused by a 255,000 pound plane flying at ~500mph and you can begin to see how these things add up without the need for explosives.
And of course the unique construction of WTC was also partially responsible for its ultimate demise once you add all the factors together.
Fire causes steel to lose structural rigity. Once this begins the integrity of the building becomes suspect. After that the building is only as strong as its weakest link.
You are talking hundreds of thousands of pounds, possibly millions of pounds shifted around on a compromised structure. Dont forget these building were 1/4 mile high. More chances for failure and more work for the lower floors to support loads they were never designed to carry.
As for the fall itself? Hard to say what it should look like. It was a global failure. Once it started to go there was no stopping it and failures occured all over the place from top to bottom as it built momentum.
'If fire and heat can't bring down a building, then why do they even put a fireproof coating on the steel at all?'
My speculation is that fireproof coating gives less opportunity for the fire to spread, hence giving people in the building more time to escape and lessening the impact of fire damage on office equipment and sensitive data.
Additionally, if there is asbestos contained in the building's structure then you really don't want that material contributing to the problem as it goes up in smoke. For a firefighter this material would bring havoc.
Ye Ghods. I would not want to be on ANY of their flights! Payback time, Sir Richard? BOOM
Question: If fire and heat can't bring down a building, then why do they even put a fireproof coating on the steel at all?
Just wondering. Also, I see debris around the building in some shots of WTC1 when it starts to fall. It's clearly falling faster than the building itself. So either the debris is falling faster than free fall, or the building is falling slower.
Someone please explain.
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Interesting Health Fact Alex:
Did you know that in the human body there is a nerve that connects the eyeball to the anus?
It's called the Anal Optic Nerve and it is responsible for giving people a shitty outlook on life.
If you don't believe it, try to pull a hair from your butt and see if it doesn't bring a tear to your eye.
Be sure to tell your followers while they drink the Kool Aid, LOL,
Fools, FOOLS !!!!!
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All I can say is, you do sound desperate if this is the level of debate you resort to.
It tells me nothing about your views beyond your immaturity. Continue to talk crap if you must, just don't expect to be taken seriously outside of the playground.
Look everyone, it's Prison Planet. In my opinion, brought to you by a real BULLSHIT ARTIST/STAND-UP COMEDIAN !
We — Americans! — are sick to death, of you and the other terror-mongers of PRISON PLANET trying to frighten us into submission and into the surrender of our lives just so you can make money off us.
Google Pathological Liar and compare it to Alex Jones and the Watson goons.
Peace
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Why don't you discuss the issues raised on this site, instead of your take on Alex Jones?
Nobody is forcing you, me or anyone else to listen. Nobody is forcing you to buy the DVD's which, it has been stated by Alex, are there for the taking via the necessary means.
The man makes money yes, but if you think he's a rich man then you're mistaken. He gets home when most of us are asleep. He seldom stops despite having commitments in his personal life.
Of course, anyone can make things up, anyone can seek attention. That's why we deal with the issues Alex raises - at his request. He doesn't want to become the issue, rather, he wants us to collectively, pursue the issue not on his behalf but on behalf of a global audience.
When the official line does not add up, when I see so-called leaders lying through their teeth - when I see the way they react to mere question, and control my media, taking it out of my hands and into the hands of a private, global cabal..well, then sir..I draw my own conclusions are regards who is bullshitting me..
I take you have no issue with any subject raised on here, other than shooting the messenger? I assume you have implicit trust in an inconclusive report into the WTC debacle, right? That you have the utmost trust in the border issue, in the way our electoral system is run? On corruption, on NATO and it's relationship with a green tax, on the destruction of your constitution, your civil liberties.........right?
There is absolutely no harm done here. Alex calls for everyone to do their own research, to follow up leads..but most of all, to keep it out in the open where it belongs. No laws are broken either. Now, either we're dealing in bullshit here or there are some very, very nervous men in suits sitting in our governments that really, really do not like freedom of speech.
Include those people in your analysis, please. Thank you. Have a good day.
'Fertilizer Terrorists Fingered Intelligence Agencies'
Yesterday evening the UK national news ran feature on these people. The news emphasised how deadly their alleged plot was - obviously, I am not as STUPID as this news and I am not going to explain what was shown, suffice to say I think it was a ridiculous thing to do.
Basically, the news built it's own bomb and tested it in the Californian desert. It even went so far as to describe the ingredients.
Does this tells exactly who was responsible? No. Does it give people ideas? Yes. Does it create hysteria and abject fear? Of course.
People will watch this and demand security - but what they won't do is think outside the box and think about why the news would do this. Already, Alex Jones and his team have found loopholes in the official story; already, links have been found between suspects and intelligence services.
But no..instead of reading about this, the sheep will sit in front of their TV and see, quote "just how easily these devices can be constructed". This news is designed so that you demand security, when what you are doing is laying the foundation for yet more unnecessary wars, all you're doing is destroying your rights - running away from one problem and into the arms of an even bigger one.
If these bombers can do these things so easily - just imagine how easily the dis-info agents can..including the one's who some of us feel are working closely with the media. Yes, it's a conspiracy and it's bound to attract the usual suspects on here who are intent on dragging the thread down by attacking the messanger..well, how about dealing with the message?
We're not falling for state-sponsored propaganda and that extends to entering other countries on the premise of WMD's or what other people in those countries are supposed to be guilty of. Bombers are bastards..and so are dis-info agents and those who are paid a lot of money to throw others off the scent.
It's coincidence (not), that every single time the War on Terror is wearing a bit thin, we get such stories and always - always - in time for the evening news. Hang on folks..we have reports coming in that the sheep are sitting in front of their screen; we better have "updated news" before they watch their soaps in order to keep them contained..
Maybe after the film people will have time to think about it and then put the puzzle together....EXPONENTIAL BABY!!!!
Virginia Tech Shooting: A Student's Response
http://www.twitchguru.com/2007/0..._tech_shooting/
Allegedly.
way to go toothers! Ever see screw loose change or the debates with berma and avery.
pompous arrogant little punks. Bermsa more so.
So strong is their faith science and evidencce can not suffice.
Highly recommend to all. Only little punks can tell an expert," it does not matter" when it comes to established scientific fact.
Holy shit!!
Loose change 2 as an in flight movie choice, wow!
AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH
Al Gore's 20 room private mansion uses 20 times the national US average of gas and electricity. As Gore lavishes himself in his heated swimming pool, poor people and the middle class await the onslaught of "carbon taxes" to eviscerate any disposable income they have left.
My brain feels like a 5 year olds etch-a-sketch.
It has been hard to keep up with everything going on, Why aren't more people talking about what St John Hunt had to say on Coast to Coast last Friday night, also I would like to report to you all that at 8:00 am this morning the skys over Louisville looked like what a five year old kid would do with an etch you Sketch. Something very big is going down. Keep up the good work Truthers, God is with us. I will not mislead you all.
RARRRRRR!
Nope. That was just me trying to scare you with my ten-horn, seven-headed beast costume.
Did it work? Were you scared?
Comments 13: "And I stood upon the sands of the prison planet comment pages, and beheld a beast rise up out of the pages having seven heads, and ten horns. And his image did both move and speak and he said: 911 was an inside job. And he causeth all Americans, both great and small, to receive a free DVD copy of Loose Change in their right hand, and to get Terrorstorm through their thick heads. And those who would not receive the copies of Terrorstorm and Loose Change remained braindead in a left/right paradigm."
Sweet, 2nd is close.
This is my only comment for reader comments 13: the first comment.
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