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To quote G. Gordon Liddy, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result." What does this say about our government? We pulled out of Iraq during the Gulf War during the 90's and look where we are today. We're right back there again. Do we REALLY want an even BIGGER mess to have to clean up next time? That is, if they haven't brought the fight to us, and don't make any mistakes in judgement about it, folks, they definitely are capable of doing so. You know that big empty piece of the New York skyline that USED to be the World Trade Center...?
That is exactly what I DO think of every time I post.
So, what is the idea of "job done" in Iraq? Will the job be done when US spends enough of billions of dollars on training and on weapons for the extremist allies of Hizbollah (as they do now), so that they kick US out of the country and make Iran more powerful than ever?
The lesson of Lebanon is simple -- if Israel would not stop, the chances for the democratic protest against Hezbollah would diminish. There's a good chance that Lebanese people will now kick Nasrallah out, and this will come to pass because it's the will of the people, not of some outsiders.
This is the problem that arises when you listen only to the mainstream leftist media to get your news. The Iraqi people do NOT see us as invaders, they see us as liberators, especially the Kurds, whom Hussien persecuted without reservation during his time in power. The Israelis have every right to defend themselves from attacks by anyone, and it is the stated purpose of Iran and groups like Hizbollah that Israel be wiped off the map.
When does it end? When the last enemy lies dying and unable to continue aggression against freedom loving people. If that makes me a warmonger, then so be it. Until evil is stopped, and the dedication to the erradication of a people IS evil, the fight MUST continue.
And for all you liberals out there who have in mind bringing up the Trail of Tears and all such as that? That's in the past, it was our ancestors, both sides, not those of us who live and breath today. I won't listen to or acknowledge comments regarding things in history that are unrelated to events today, other than to point out the lessons that have been learned from them. So don't even bother going there, especially not to someone who has Cherokee blood in his veins...
"This is the problem that arises when you listen only to the mainstream leftist media to get your news. The Iraqi people do NOT see us as invaders, they see us as liberators, especially the Kurds, whom Hussien persecuted without reservation during his time in power."
I was speaking about Lebanon. Majority of people there hate Hezbollah and Nasrallah, but this July they hated Israel more than them. If Irael would not stop, there would be big chances for Hezbollah seizing all the power in the country. The message of Lebanon's protests is: "We are hostages of Iran, Syria and Israel". That is, they want to live their own life, not to be part of some larger geopolitical game.
"When the last enemy lies dying and unable to continue aggression against freedom loving people. "
Do you see Iraq's Prime Minister Al-Maliki as a freedom-loving person? The former head of Jihad Office of Islamic Dawa Party, that was overseeing Islamic guerrillas from Syria in eighties -- is what you see as a freedom-fighter for Iraq?
Or Byan Jabr, the Finance Minister of Iraq, the member of the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq, the former Minister of Interior who had put thousands of death squads members onto Ministry's payroll -- is he a freedom-loving person?
Keep on dreaming.
To spend huge money training Islamic extremists was a great idea back when US did it with bin Laden, and it's just as great in Iraq now.
I am cooking, so willdeal with the first part then come back to the last on another post.
---but this July they hated Israel more than them. If Irael would not stop, there would be big chances for Hezbollah seizing all the power in the country.----
Idiotic comment, because if Israel had not stopped and "finished the job" then there would have BEEN no Hizbullah to take anything over. You should think before you comment. Really!!!!
Back to cooking and will answer the Iraq part of the answer for you when I have time.
The very people you named asking me if I see them as freedom fighters are the ones that I see as the enemies of peace and liberty. Extrimist Islamic beliefs do nothing but preach a doctine of hatred and violence.
I knew you were talking about Lebanon. Israel, as I said, has the right to defend itself from attacks, no matter where they come from. If the Lebanese people are sick of Iran and Syria using them as a base to attack Israel, they need to stand the hell UP to them and send them back HOME. Or kill them in their tracks when they come in country to launch activities of aggression against Israel. Don't try to label me as being sympathetic to extremist Islam, buddy, I'm as Zionist as a gentile can be. Always have been. And always will be.
"Idiotic comment, because if Israel had not stopped and "finished the job" then there would have BEEN no Hizbullah to take anything over. You should think before you comment."
Well, if there were chances that Israel _could_ crush Hezbollah if pushed harder, you would be right, but that just doesn't seem to be the case.
The fact that Israel imposed collective punishment on all the Lebanon's people for Hezbollah actions, even though they've expressly displayed their dislike for them and for Syria, meant that there could be a chance for all the Lebanese people to be united against the common enemy, Israel.
Say what you like about the justification for Israel's actions, but the fact is that common people of Lebanon were very alienated by what Israel was doing.
"The very people you named asking me if I see them as freedom fighters are the ones that I see as the enemies of peace and liberty. Extrimist Islamic beliefs do nothing but preach a doctine of hatred and violence."
Well, you probably should call for Bush to be impeached, then, because these are the very people that he put in power in Iraq, the people that he puts all his hope in, and the people he gives billions of dollars to.
My God, did you watch the news with your EYES CLOSED????? Israel could have and would have finished the job has the international community had anything even close to a spine and stayed the hell out of it.
Imposed punishment on the people of Lebanon...well again, you either are a liar or simply stupid, because it has been shown, and PROVEN, that Hizbullah was hiding behind the lebanon people as human shields....wanna blame someone, try putting the blame where it belongs.. on Hizbullah and get your head out of your ass.
Either get the facts straight so we can have a HONEST debate or go elsewhere, because I do not have time for people that deliberately lie.
Back to cooking.
Human shields, exactly. In my mind, that shows extreme cowardice. That Israel didn't cross over the border and LAY WASTE shows a great deal of restraint on their part, showing respect FOR the civilian populace.
Israel unloosed on an enemy has yet to lose a war in recent history. There are mishaps and missteps in any armed confrontation, giving the critics plenty of cannon fodder for criticizing them after the fact, but the fact remains, they don't lose when they fully commit.
Ya gotta respect that.
"Israel could have and would have finished the job has the international community had anything even close to a spine and stayed the hell out of it."
Well, you could argue that Israel could do this with a stronger and better leadership, but 90% of Israeli blogs and newspapers I've read agreed that Olmert just lost his way and was glad for the international community to take him out of that mess. Of course, he pretended that he was stopped on the brink of winning, but the fact is that he had no winning strategy and no resolve.
"hiding behind the lebanon people as human shields"
Well, so what? If somebody uses you as a human shield and the cop shoots you, you don't generally feel grateful to the cop. Of course, most of the Lebanese people saw Nasrallah for a bastard he is, but they still didn't feel that Israel was doing the right thing.
The ONLY reason Israel stopped was because of the UN putting pressure on them for a "diplomatic solution," which we see has not worked. Do you believe everything you read that everyone writes? I know that there are those who do, for whatever reason. Do you look at the tabloids and see the stories of the "bat boy" in the Weekly World News and take pity on the poor child (who doesn't really exist, by the way, hate to burst your bubble there if you are a true believer in what the WWN says, but it's all fiction...)?
The UN is a part of the problem, not a part of the solution, and the sooner more of us in the USA realize that, the better for us, the better for Israel, and the better for getting things done and BEING done with them instead of leaving loose ends to wrap up later.
"Well, so what? If somebody uses you as a human shield and the cop shoots you, you don't generally feel grateful to the cop. Of course, most of the Lebanese people saw Nasrallah for a bastard he is, but they still didn't feel that Israel was doing the right thing."
The Israelis took great precautions to try NOT to hit civilian targets, despite what the dinosaur media would have you believe, and anyone who uses the civilian population as a shield to hide behind is a criminal. THEY are the ones that should be under the microscope being picked apart for their actions, not a nation defending itself from aggression.
Tell ya what sweetie... someone comes into YOUR house, takes a member of YOUR family and starts shooting the place up.... don't fight back, because in your warped view you won't have the right to defend your home (boders in Israels case)
Thats classic and thanks for my laugh of the day, I needed it!!!
"The ONLY reason Israel stopped was because of the UN putting pressure on them for a "diplomatic solution," which we see has not worked."
That's probably some divine wisdom that tells you so, because I've read dozens of Israeli blogs, and practically all of them said that it was Israel itself responsible for the outcome, not any UN pressure. You know, Israel has such a long history of not caring for what UN says, it's silly to say that this was the case here.
"The UN is a part of the problem, not a part of the solution"
Congratulations, you're on the Syria's side here. It is the establishment of UN's International Tribunal to find out people responsible for Hariri's murder that caused all the outbursts from Hezbollah lately.
P.S. You still didn't address the fact that US intervention in Iraq turned it into a country ruled by Islamic extremists.
"and anyone who uses the civilian population as a shield to hide behind is a criminal. "
I don't dispute the fact that Nasrallah is a criminal.
"THEY are the ones that should be under the microscope being picked apart for their actions, not a nation defending itself from aggression."
Well, just try to tell this to moderate Lebanese back this summer. Again, nobody disputed the fact that Nasrallah was a criminal, but bombing all the roads and bridges, causing ecological catastrophes etc. just didn't feel like an adequate response to stealing two soldiers. (They started firing rockets into Israel after major attacks on Lebanon).
This could go one forever, really. Of course, Israel's actions were justified to some degree, of course, Nasrallah is a sick bastard, but the fact is that people of Lebanon, the same people that try to kick Nasrallah's ass out of their country today, just as they kicked Syria out in 2005, didn't see Israel as their friend in July, 2006.
The CIA put Hussein in power, which was a mistake that we had to correct, the same as we put Noriega in power in Panama. I'm not blind to the facts, nor am I ignorant of our mistakes.
If you accuse me again of siding with the Syrians in all of this, it'll be the last posting you make on here, I'll not have it. The UN has shown itself time and time again to be overwhelmingly sympathetic to the "jihad," and in case you missed an earlier posting from this blog, has in place a Canadian who is on the record for hating Israel. http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree....-jew-
hater.html
You can twist things however you wish, it changes nothing in the facts. I don't support the UN or our involvement in it, and I think my previous posting establishes that, so don't put words in my mouth. I DO support Israel, an earlier posting where I SAID I am a Zionist shows that. You have no footing to stand on in trying to make me out to be something that I'm not; GIVE IT UP. Instead of taking on an issue, you're making it a personal thing against me, and that ain't gonna fly. Especially when you try painting me as the opposite of what I am.
"just didn't feel like an adequate response to stealing two soldiers"
This was simply the final straw, the one that broke the camels back. These two soldiers are not the ONLY two that have been abducted, but it was the point where the Israeli's said "enough."
Again, get your facts straight.
You were told, do not try to paint me as supporting a side I consider the enemy.
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Thats what they do when they run out of arguments on the actual debate. They lie they misrepresent facts and distort truths.
Then they quote "blogs" or opinions and do not bother to look up the actual facts. Happens... always one troll roaming around.
Welp, considering that you and I have several years of dealing with a considerable amount of trolls along the way...
Just another notch on the hilt of the sword, eh?
LOL
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