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Here is a little factoid that wasn't mentioned in your posting: Armor piercing from a range up to one mile, yes, but what happens to the bullet when it breaches the first side of the vehicle? It no longer has the momentum to penetrate the other side, so what, I wonder, becomes of it once it is inside the vehicle?
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?
I'm sure most of my fellow army and marine veterans are familiar with the term "grunt can," the nickname given to the M113 armored tracked vehicle used as a personnel carrier. I'm sure most of them will also agree that they learn early on not to ride INSIDE of a grunt can BECAUSE of armor piercing rounds, but to ride on top of them so that they can jump off for cover in an ambush.
An armor piercing round, once it has penetrated and breeched the interior of an armored vehicle, will ricochet around INSIDE the vehicle until it finally comes to a stop. Ergo, a single AP round penetrating an APC can do damage to a great number of people inside the vehicle.
Isn't that a happy thought?
yeah...thanks for the visual.
Actually, really, thank you for pointing that out.
I think it's important to know SOME of what goes on in graphic detail. War is deadly, serious business. It isn't pretty, it isn't pleasant, but sometimes, like now, it is necessary. You will generally find that those most willing to maintain and desirous to have peace are those who have tasted combat, but who understand and are willing to return to it when necessary.
Yep Hawk is right. I included some related material in my post earlier.
That statement "Huffington Post asks, who will stop an attack on Iran.... I ask them: Why do you not ask, who will stop Iran from providing weapons that are KILLING OUR SOLDIERS??????"
You just have to shake you head and wonder about folks who write that stuff.They care more about others than they do American soldiers.
We clearly don't have all the information:
From the AP
JAKARTA, Indonesia - A top U.S. general said Tuesday there was no evidence the Iranian government was supplying Iraqi insurgents with highly lethal roadside bombs, apparently contradicting claims by other U.S. military and administration officials.
Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said U.S. forces hunting down militant networks that produced roadside bombs had arrested Iranians and that some of the material used in the devices were made in Iran.
“That does not translate that the Iranian government per se, for sure, is directly involved in doing this,” Pace told reporters in the Indonesian capital, Jakarta. “What it does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers.”
Which leads to the obvious question of HOW DID THEY GET THERE?
How did the Austrian gun gets into Iraq 45 days after they were shipped to Iran?
If you believe for one second that it is coincedence then you have bigger problems than I am able to address.
LOL
We've known about Iran for some time. I think there are probably lots of classified docs that support the "smoking gun" you talked about. When my husband went to Baghdad at the start of the war in 2003, the soldiers were ticked to find German guns sold to Iraq under the table. Saddam was being sanctioned, so any such trade were strictly prohibited.
There's a reason these countries are against the US in Iraq... Iran, France, Russia, Germany.... they were all in bed with Saddam.
Ahmadinejah is totally disingenious. He lies like a rug about not knowing anything about Iranain weapons in Iraq.
I do think the US, at least under Bush, will not invade Iran. It's just too messy and involved. I believe Bush has suffered enough from doing the right thing in Iraq. We are trying to promote regime change from within Iran and although we were unable to in Iraq, becuase people were just too terrified of Saddam, we may be able to in Iran.
Serves America right if we were to be nuked by Iran. That might just be my diet talking, but Dems have been asking for it since the Jimmy Carter years.
Of course they are asking for it....and when they get it, they will be the first crying out it is someone "elses" fault.
That is what they do and why they cannot be trusted with our national security.
How did they get there? The black market. Anything is available for a price. Money is cheap in Iraq. We can't account for billions of your dollars we sent over there.
yes, 45 days after they were shipped to Iran...gimme a break. You people that live in a world of denial might deserve to be hit on the next attack, but those of us that are able to OPEN OUR EYES and see what is right in front of our faces do not deserve to be attacked with you.
Bet you have an "excuse" also for the weapons that have Iranian serial numbers and were manufactured in Iran also.
Bet you also have some sort of excuse about how the lunatic president of Iran "didn't really mean it" when he said Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth.
The examples go on and on and on.
Wonder if i look into a mirror and DENY that I need to lose 5 lbs, means I really don't have to lose it....LOL
Denial is not healthy and you should really get some help with this problem.
I'm not excusing anything. I am saying that you have just as much proof as I do. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is asking you to hold fire until we find out what is going on. The government of Iran may or may not be culpable. It is just not the battle we need to be fighting right now.
You're kidding, right? We've been in a cold war with Iran since the Shah was deposed and sought exile in the U.S. A large amount of their military equipment is of U.S. origin from and prior to the 1970's. It's been wearing out for years, and they've been trying everything they can to beg, borrow, buy, or steal replacement parts for maintenance since then, using guns for higher to obtain and smuggle the equipment for them.
That there are small arms present in Iraq that can be directly traced to Iran should come as no surprise. The situation there would be like the Baptists and Methodists fighting each other here in the U.S. and having the Methodists in Canada supplying the ones HERE because they don't like the Baptists.
Why? It's a denominational thing, called by the media "sectarian." Denominationalism is not limited by national boundaries. As any Roman Catholic priest, they'll tell you that as well, as the Roman church has traditionally been influential around the globe, something we haven't experienced as widely in this country because we've never been under Papal rule, as Europe once was.
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