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CPS claimed that children were neglected because they were not immediately removed from a household where someone was alledgedly involved in an undrage marrage. This is nonsense. No force is involved in any of these relationships. These allegations go back to 2004 and Texas raised its age of consent in 2005. So the law may not have been violated.
Branch Davidians - remember when the government knew it all? Yea, 82 people killed.
Ruby Ridge - another brainstorm. Good ole government again, shot an infant out of the mother’s arms.
Excuse me for being a skeptic.
Huge difference here, chas. In the Branch Davidian case and the Ruby Ridge case you had the FBI and ATF involved in trying to run sting operations to set up the leaders for illegal gun sales. In THIS case, someone from within the compound called TO child services to lodge a complaint of abuse.
In any event, just count it as a blessing that barbeque grand mistress Reno isn't involved in any way, shape, many, form, or fashion, because at least without her wonderful guiding hand, we've had no body count.
Very huge difference.
The state of Texas (referring to the FLDS report) has given ever changing reasons for proceeding against the FLDS. First, it was "Sarah" who is now known to be a 33 year old black woman from Colorado, not a 16 year old abused girl in a basement at YFZ. Right or wrong, the FLDS have no black members. "Sarah" who is actually Rozita Swinton, has never had any children, she is not an abused pregnant child, she has a history of phony attention seeking distress calls. The DFPS report still pretends it received a real phone call from a real person at YFZ.
Next Texas said it saw "pregnant underage teens" at YFZ and "children with children." How Texas could "see" the age of a girl, or the venue in which she became pregnant, or the age of her partner in her pregnancy, we'll never know, but they no longer claim to have seen that girl or girls as a basis for proceeding with the raid. Texas also claimed to see "children with children," something they have now downgraded to a sincere belief that women who were girls or girls that are or were underage "had children."
They now seem to be basing their entire case on Rozita Swinton, whom they refuse to investigate, and an interview with a girl or girls in which those girls stated underage marriage was acceptable. For those reasons they broke down doors, surrounded the entire ranch with armed personel, broke open safes, confiscated records and cell phones, and broke into the FLDS temple, apparently desecrating it in their eyes.
At the same time the FLDS assets were being attacked and depleted in Utah via an argument over their trust. Allen Steed, the man who supposedly "raped" a girl that formed the basis of Warren Jeffs "rape by proxy" conviction, has yet to be tried. The indictments are not that solid, and may fall apart entirely if the evidence is shown to have been illegally obtained, which I believe to be the case. Warren's conviction may eventually bust up on the rocks of no conviction in Allen Steed's case.
This was the largest child custody case in US history. Some interesting other facts. There were allegations of physical abuse based on a broken bone rate lower than the national average as a whole. Just Tuesday Patrick Crimmins admitted that none of those cases were traced to abuse.
The rate of teenage pregnancy and sexual abuse and/or experimentation is lower than the national average as well. They were only able to find 12 possible victims of sexual abuse out of over 200 girls. That is not high, it is phenominally low.
Only one girl is still in CPS custody, having been re-taken by Texas, and that is a 14 year old supposedly "celestially wed" to Warren Jeffs, who cannot possibly represent any danger to her at the moment.
This is a travesty and an abuse of basic rights. 12 indictments, some of which have nothing to do directly with sexual abuse by a Grand Jury personally managed by an agenda driven judge is not an indictment of the FLDS, at least not yet.
Hugh, how about you get your head out of your anus and smell the coffee. You probably wear dresses when no one is looking. I used to be like you but now I'm not. I don't love men anymore unless they act extremely feminine. Extremely!
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To whomever wrote this, I'm letting it stand only to show that I've seen it, I'm watching for such bullshit as this, and you will be called out for it when it happens.
Mr Garibaldi
Michael, thank you for your well thought out response. I also probably have a commie flag taped up to the wall of my garage, only, I don't have a garage.
'scuse me, but I'm on my way to a meeting at the Antioch Baptist Church. You can call home and ask my wife, it's all true.
Ok, that's almost amusing.
THIS is my reply to you, Hugh, that other wasn't by me, however, I'm going to let the ISP number stay here so that everyone can compare and see that that clearly was NOT me who made that attempt at pretending to BE me in two comments back.
To whomever you are that is using my nick for making that response? Pray to whatever gods you pray to that I don't take the time to backtrack your ISP number and find out where you are...
Believe me, I could very easily be in the mood to do just that and make that sort of journey today intending to do mischief. To ALL parties thinking that they are getting away with something by doing what was done up there, take this as a warning: don't fuck with me, don't try to pretend you're me in posting here. It might cost you some severe repercussions...
Oh, and my original point still stands, Hugh, the Feds haven't been involved in this case, which in my mind is a good thing all the way around, when one notes the significant LACK of loss of life in this as compared to Ruby Ridge and Waco.
And you can fly any commie flags you wish; I signed that blank check Roger refers to so that you have that right. I also have the right to fly my Stars and Bars, bear that in mind as well 
Well, it was a Charlie Daniels Reference, "Uneasy Rider." Glad to know it wasn't you Michael. You might check more deeply into the circumstances of the YFZ raid. Essentially, a crackpot (Flora Jessop) was believed, and an hour long plus basement cell phone call had to be believed (supposedly from a captive) who whimpers and cries and makes all sort of noises but doesn't alert her captor who later turns out not to be even in the state, for the last 20 years.
The whole raid really stinks and the sensationalism surrounding the raid makes that hard to see.
Where are you getting this info from Hugh? Just curious.
Some of it comes from actual original reporting efforts. Most comes from gleaning and correlating various media reports. Some stories in the press have basic outlines I developed and were later published under different bylines.
I think what's important is everything I have said is both verifiable, and true.
There was and is ABUSE. These young girls have no choice , The men receive a REVELATION(YEAH RIGHT)pick these young girls who are told it is Gods wil yada yada, They must submit etc. To buck the system means to lose your family and be thrown out in the wicked world that since you were a child you were told is dangerous etc.
The issue here is that these brainwashed girls DO NOT know they have a choice. They live in isolated ignorance.
i would shut down these taliban camps if I had any power.
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