Read the commenting rules carefully because they will be enforced!
I can relate to your enthusiasm but I am not accepting this action. It isn't enough. It is a start but in the wrong direction...again.
I have tracked back to my take.
While not the root of all the problems we face in the middle east and all over the world- notably radical islam itself, going after a key player is certainly a good strategic move. Yes, it will likely escalate tensions and move us into more conflict. Maybe even a war. While the prospect of more conflict is sad, it is something that is bound to happen regardless, as we MUST stand against their hateful ideology. I would rather see us cut them off and deal with them now, than wait a moment longer for them to keep fortifying and attacking us.
Danm!
It's sad to see how a great nation like America has chossen to plot the graph of her own downfall under Bad leadership.
When I was a Kid I used to Think of AMERIACA as I do about God- Impenetrable!infallable!
Alas! that was too far from reality.
The enemies stroke on 9/11.
I thot it was a joke.I felt a strong pity for the enemies because I thought they have fallen into the wrong hands-AMERICA THE GREAT!!!!!!!!!
I could bet with my life that the enemies were going to be brought to book the next day.Its a pity it never happened, and it has never happened.1st year, 2nd year 3rd year 4th year......... and we are still counting.
The enemies are waxing stonger,treating the lifes of ordinary Americans with possibilities of terrorist attacks.
NOW YOU HAVE DECIDED TO ADD ANOTHER ENEMY TO YOUR LIST!!!!!!!!
IF I MAY ASK, WHAT HAVE YOU BENEFITED FROM HAVING MORE ENEMIES?
WHILE OTHER NATIONS SUCH AS CHINA ARE BUSY COURTING AND MAKING MORE FRIENDS AMERICA IS MAKING MORE ENEMIES!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM NOT TOO SUPRISED;
THE BATTON OF LEADERSHIP IN THE WORLD IS CHANGING.THE ONE WHO HAS IT NOW WILL DEFINATELY LOSS IT FOR ANOTHER.
BEFORE THE HANDOVER,ONE THING WILL LEAD TO ANOTHER......... SOMETHING,SOMETHING MUST HAPPEN SOMEHOW,SOMEHOW...............and I guess thats what we are seeing now.
I wish everbody good luck.
Peace.
And of course this allows the Prez to use the AUMF to attack Iran.
Cuz we have plenty of forces and money to start another war. Why not.
Great.
So the same faction of American politics that botched two wars so far (let bin Laden get away in Afghanistan and completely (and finally admittedly) bungled the occupation of Iraq) are itching to give us yet another war: This time in Iran.
I no longer care how important Conservatives declare their planned war with Iran is, they are just too plain incompetent to be trusted with anything this important.
If the next President says we have to "do something", then I'll listen. And if Conservatives start their usual hysterics about "do something now", I'll just remember that every single time Conservatives actually do something, they make the situation much worse. So, under the reign of George W. Bush, doing nothing has been proven to always be better than letting Conservatives take action.
Bottom Line: I no longer care what the Bush Administration says. I no longer care what Conservatives say we have to do. I do not believe you any more. I no longer trust you with my country's future. I have to wait seventeen months until (hopefully) someone competent is in the White House. Until then, the best I can hope for is to stop you from spreading more wreckage. And that includes preventing you from starting another war you can mismanage in Iran. Save your breath and keystrokes.
Why are we surprised? We occupy a country neighboring a country whose leadership hates us and surprise surprise they're sticking their nose in. This was forseeable when we went into Iraq and we're seriously using this as a reason to start our new war?
If another power decided to violate the Monroe doctrine and occupy Mexico or Cuba would anyone claim we were wrong in meddling, let alone stopping it from happening.
I have serious misgivings about Iran but our main enemy in the Middle East is extremism and a violent hatred of the West, in particular the US. Will the astounding amount of collateral damage resulting from a US bombing campaign against Iran do anything to combat our real enemy? Will it bolster moderates and reformers across the Middle East?
The moonbat Fruit Loop Brigade has arrived.
LOL!!
yes, notice in the original story folks that this was done after the DEMOCRATICALLY controlled Congress applied "pressure" to deal with Iran.
See, this is you folks problem, if Bush works within diplomatic channels according to you he is not dealing with the problem of Iran causing American deaths, if he DOES move, then he is a warmonger starting in with Iran.
Well, I am sure you would rather just let Iran kill our troops.
we prefer they don't.
There is the fundamental difference right there.
Spree...these Salon trolls have been brain washed. No. Scratch that. There would have to be a brain first in order to wash it.
One of the trolls said that "we have enough funds to start another war".
Which war did we start, again?
Seeing that I served from '76 to '04, I don't recall the US starting a war.
I must have missed something.
LOL. Notice how the completely insane ones, via sitemeter, always come from the farthest of left sites?
Says alot.
So here we have a regime that has been, and still is, providing weapons that are killing our troops and civilians in other countries such as Israel. Some how the left makes them out as victims.
How many UN resolutions do they have to ignore before people call a pig a pig? Get your head out of the sand and see what is coming after you. The left would have you think that if we make nice, they will go away.
How funny Bob, I am just getting ready to hit publish on a followup piece about that very issue of the lefts reaction.
Good timing.
Great minds think alike
I don't see where the Republican guard is doing a single thing in Afghanistan or Iraq that our special forces haven't done in countries countries all over the world for the past 40 years. It makes them our enemies. But we already knew that. It doesn't make them terrorists unless we're now defining "terrorist" as anyone that the US government finds inconvienient. I really don't want to get to that point.
Iaintbacchus...the reason "you don't see anything" is because you are as blind as a moonbat.
Run along now little one.
Recess is over.
Iaintbacchus, How about joining Kerry, Durbin, and Murtha in your view of our military? Do you really think that our Special Forces and are military are murderers as the aforementioned a**holes say they are?
I am a Army Veteran (1961 - 1967) and I do take strong offense at anyone who thinks that our men and women in uniform are thugs.
These Iranians are the same people who held our embassy staff for more than a year until Carter left office. They knew he didn't have the balz to do anything. These are the same people who have been providing troops and arms to Hezbollah because they don't like Jews. Well, they don't like Jews, Christians, and anybody else who is not a fanatic. These are the same people who have been directly involved with killing our troops.
Bob, these people just assumed they would be allowed to get away with what they did to veterans like yourself, they didn't understand that you would stand up, enmasse, and not permit it.
Gathering of Eagles, Vets For Freedom, Families United for our troops and their mission, Move America Forward, Rolling Thunder, Appeal for Courage, as well as quite a few other organizations compiled of veterans and blue and gold star family members have taken a stand and they can do nothing but try to attack our troops now and show their true colors.
You guys are awesome!
Spree,
Here I am, working within eyesight of our nations capital and I just can't wait for the big show in September. Yep, we will be there enmasse to show our support for our troops and their mission.
Bob, make sure you peek in tomorrow, or actually since I am three hours behind the east coast, tonight for me.
We will be bringing my interview with Pete Hegseth, the Executive Director of the Vets For Freedom whom will be on the hill with you on the 18th.
25 minute interview covering a variety of areas and it is fascinating.
Re: "These Iranians are the same people who held our embassy staff for more than a year until Carter left office. They knew he didn't have the balz to do anything. These are the same people who have been providing troops and arms to Hezbollah because they don't like Jews. Well, they don't like Jews, Christians, and anybody else who is not a fanatic. These are the same people who have been directly involved with killing our troops."
Aren't they also the ones to whom Ronald Reagan sold weapons and to whom he sent an autographed Bible as well as a birthday cake?
Or does Saint Ronald get the automatic Republican "Free Pass" on that one as well?
Besides. Right now America is training and propping up an Iraqi government (and Shia militias) that has been in bed with the Iranians for more than twenty years, and are now killing Americans at a rate higher than the Sunni's. Or does that get the automatic Bush "Free Pass" as well?
President Bush now has the US military in the middle of a civil war, training, equipping and paying terrorists on both sides of the battle. And, when they are not busy killing each other, they are killing our soldiers: Likely with those 190,000 weapons the Bush Administration "misplaced" in Iraq.
The bottom line is this: George W. Bush is incompetent. He has incompetent people in his inner circle. He fires people who do not tell him what he wants to hear (ask General Shinseki and Paul O'Neil)
We have no reason to believe that George W. Bush is suddenly going to develop some reserve of competence in the next sixteen months. My point is that we cannot trust Bush to competently execute any plan, good or bad, against Iran or anyone else.
Conservatives, of course, are all required to worship George W. Bush as some sort of combination of Abraham Lincoln and The Lord. So no Conservatives are ever permitted to admit Bush's breathtaking levels of incompetence. But tens of thousands of people, Iraqi and American, are dead because "mistakes were made" in Iraq. And I have no confidence that we will not see many more "Mistakes made" in Iraq as Bush runs out the clock until he can "Get out of Dodge" in January 2009.
But go ahead Conservatives. Tell me what a valiant, exalted, wise and competent leader Bush is, and why he has earned the right to another Blank Check to "Stay the Course".
The Bottom Line, phillie steve moron troll, is this.
The Silent Majority has awakened and we WILL trounce trolls like into oblivion. This FACT is what has your kind in such a tizzy. Your political icons have lost and will be seen in the upcoming elections. Sucks to be you, I know. Keep a stiff upper lip though.
You obviously have no earthly idea of which you prattle on so.
The talking dulls your kind rant and rave about have been refuted time and time and time again; over and over and over and over; it is a waste of your timje and our time.
Come up with some new material.
Run along now. Recess is over.
Say hello to ZERO!
LOL!!
No one gets a pass. No one claims mistakes are not being made. If you do not think Bush is trying to separate the Iranian powers from the Iraqi government and still respecting the FACT that they are neighboring countries, you obviously do not read enough news Steve.
You also do not seem to understand the difficulties of "diplomacy", which is why, I suspect YOU are not one of our diplomats.
LOL Snooper, when they cannot argue the points, their first and only argument is always "ATTACK BUSH', it has worked for them in the past and they cannot get over the fact is not working for them anymore.
They do not know any other mantra.
I don't understand the emphasis being placed on Iran's meddling in Iraq. If 2/3 of the attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq are from Sunnis, where do you think they're getting their support from? Hint: It ain't Iran.
Why does the "YOU JUST ATTACK BUSH" reflexive retort hold such sway with the remaining Bush defenders? Phili Steve points out that lots of weapons went missing, that its a civil war, that we are propping up an Iran-friendly govnmnt, the admin did sideline Shinseki and ONeil was asked to leave/bailed, Ronnie sold weapons to those evildoers. Phili Steve doesnt mention the trillion dollar price tag, the soldiers killed & wounded, the civilians killed & wounded & refugeed, that we lost 10 soldiers today, that 250+ people died in the car bomb today, that 300+ were wounded in the same attack, that a Sunni leader in the Iraq gubmint claimed AlMalaki's Shia majority is engaged in ethnic cleansing, which is not a good sign of political success.
Snooper cant string together one valid point to make in his reply to Steve. But the ever-present "ATTACK BUSH" retort is pinched out once again. Sometimes a "dislike" of a politician is arrived at as a result of that politician's track record and of the results caused by their policies. Ok, back to your group hug.
Moron pundit jerk-weed said:
"...I don't understand the emphasis being placed on Iran's meddling in Iraq. If 2/3 of the attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq are from Sunnis, where do you think they're getting their support from? Hint: It ain't Iran...."
Hint to the idiot: recess is over and teacher is waiting for you. Get out of the play sand. Your idiocy is underwhelming.
OHanlon the OTHER zero entity moron and sucker of boar hog tits is dumber than a box of turtle turds.
What is with the lamest of the lame troll morons these days?
Can't they at least finish MIT classes before they are released from the ASSylums?
I guess Reid ran out of vinegar.
I guess the reports showing that IED'S that are killing our troops, some have been found to be IRANIAN made.
If you would follow the links before hitting comment you would have seen that. Iranian serial numbers and Iranian manufacturer dates.
Why do people keep trying to assume there is just one set of people causing trouble instead of seeing that IRAN keeps interfering because they do not want a functioning democracy as a neighbor in Iraq.
How dense do people get?
Once again, this time to Ohnalon, are YOU getting these reports from the military commanders? i doubt it, you are sitting there deciding which reports to beleive and which reports to just ignore, WE do not GET all the information our president does and the "attack Bush" crowd, earned the reputation because it is all they know how to do.
Maybe you should start waiting for these reports to be VERIED before spouting off about them.
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree....sted-
again.html
We have had 20 beheadings that, OOOOPS, never actually happened, massacres reported by the same organizations YOU ARE USING FOR YOUR INFORMATION, and guess what, that previous massacre didn't happen either, pictures being falsified, reporters that are not fact checking, but you just keep on quoting them.
Who is the naive one here?
Bottom line here is Iran has been meddling consistently and they need to be stopped, which is what THIS post has been about, yet the "blame Bush" crowd would rather try to distract from the issue of the post... it is typical but it is not tolerated here.
Either show us evidence that Iran has not been meddling, or evidence that somehow the Iranian serial numbers and manufacturers dates have magically been put on the weapons we have found, or bug off.
In other words, in a simpler manner... either address the issues of the post, or do not speak at all, we don't do the distract, distort or lie routine here.
Snooper: Your post was nothing but a stream of hate. Just like Ann Coulter or Rush Limbaugh. There is nothing to which one could respond other than your post indicates fully the degree to which hate has become the cornerstone of all Conservative ideology.
Spree: Your post does nothing more than confirm my assertion that all Conservatives must worship Bush as infallible, all the time. I noticed that you were not even permitted to admit WHO made those mistakes, along the spin of the Bush Administration that "Mistakes fall from the sky", and “lets have another round of Medals of Freedom” for the staff who ran the occupation of Iraq, losing $11 billion in currency and 190,000 weapons in the process.
My question is this. Who is accountable for the way the occupation of Iraq was conducted? Not who "authorized" it, but who ran it?
My prediction is that you will not be able to type the words, "President Bush". That is because your fingers will fall off your hands before you can use his name and "accountability" in the same sentence. The closest you will be able to do is add his name to a long list of other names, in order to dilute accountability.
That is true now, and has been true since Bush ordered the WMD weapons inspectors out of Iraq and launched his "cakewalk" invasion.
That was true in the summer of 2003 when his Secretary of Defense declared that "if we are in [Iraq] for ten months, that will be too long.
It was true in 2002 when Bush fired his Secretary of the treasury for saying that the invasion and occupation of Iraq would cost more than the Bush line of "less than $60 billion" (as I recall, didn't they say that "Iraqi oil money would pay for the occupation"?). As a side note, the projected cost to when Bush finishes running out the clock in January 2009 will be over $800 billion, about $30 billion more than the "exorbitant" cost of bailing our social Security for the next forty years, which Bush declared to be "too much to pay".
I repeat. I am not "attacking Bush" (a Mortal sin to Conservatives, I know). I am just starting the obvious: He is incompetent. And he cannot be trusted to manage any action or plan, good or bad. Therefore any plan on Bush's part of invade, or even attack Iran has to be viewed in the light of his past incompetence: Meaning he will botch it and will almost certainly leave an Iran that is stronger and more threatening that had Bush done nothing at all. Just as he did in Iraq. And just as he will almost certainly do with Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda by the time he "Gets out of Dodge".
Re: "I don't understand the emphasis being placed on Iran's meddling in Iraq. If 2/3 of the attacks against U.S. troops in Iraq are from Sunnis, where do you think they're getting their support from? Hint: It ain't Iran."
No.
It's from Saudi Arabia, of course.
But remember, the Saudi Royal Family are personal family friends of the Bush's. So President Bush, and all Conservatives, are required to publicly give them the standard Republican FREE PASS.
Of couse the Conservative line is that Bushis pressuring the Saudi's "behind the scenes". WAY behind the scenes. WAY, WAY behind the scenes.
Meaning not at all.
Re: "WE do not GET all the information our president does and the "attack Bush"
President Bush's track record with the information that he DOES have indicates he cannot be trusted to act competently on any iformation, good or bad.
Philadelphia Steve:, to show your ignorance with your comment:
Spree: Your post does nothing more than confirm my assertion that all Conservatives must worship Bush as infallible, all the time.
When a person doesn't know facts, they shouldn't even speak, OBVIOUSLY you haven't read the many posts where I have vehemently disagreed with our President, so your comment shows a lack of bothering to "fact check", just like the media these days, as well as ignorance of assuming to know how we feel and think about our president and his policies.
I do happen to support his actions in Iraq as well as disagreeing with him on a few different key issues.
See, WE have minds we use to think for ourselves, which allows us to agree with some things and disagree with others, YOU obviously haven't progressed that far yet or you wouldn't paint everyone with YOUR BRUSH.
When you start a comment off by making "false" assumptions" and speaking without having a clue as to what you are talking about, all it does it make the rest of what you say appear the same.
Try LEARNING before you speak, then maybe people would take you seriously.
Re: "If you would follow the links before hitting comment you would have seen that. Iranian serial numbers and Iranian manufacturer dates."
I noticed.
Also that all the marking were in English, in a country that speaks Farsi.
I no more trust Bush Administration claims of "weapons from Iran" than I do their claims of "Yellowcake form Niger".
Iran has been the biggest winner from Bush's invasion of Iraq. That fact is undeniable. Although it is forbidden for Conservatives to admit it.
I am angry at George W. Bush because he:
Let bin Laden get away to persue his dream of war against Saddam.
Bungled the occupation of Iraq so badly that tens of thousands of people have died.
Wants to Run out the clock, at the cost of thousands of more lives.
That is anger. Not hate. And it has been thoroughly earned by George W. Bush, and those Conservatives who still put greater loyalty in George W. Bush than they do to their country.
Again Steve, that is your opinion and the very same talking points that the left have been screeching for years.
Again, it makes it look like all you can do is repeat what you are told to repeat.
Now, I am going to say this ONE MORE TIME, so listen up... over here at Wake up America, you ADDRESS THE ISSUES of the post, no distractions, no verring off into Anti-Bush hate rhetoric, no distortions and avoiding the topic at hand which is OUR declaring the Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization.
If you cannot act adult enough to follow the rules of posting on MY BLOG, then you will get moderated and anything that does NOT deal directly with the actual post, will be gone.
I also do not remember asking anywhere in the post why you are "mad" at Bush, it doesn't concern me.... the actions taken against Iran are all that concerns me in this post.
THIS HAS BEEN YOUR LAST WARNING.
Re: " I have vehemently disagreed with our President,"
I have yet to see that disagreement expressed here. Only the broad "I have disagreed", which is just like the "Mistakes were made".
If you actually beleive that, state exactly how he bungled.
I still predict you can't.
Then you weren't around during the immigration reform debacle... see? You look at ONE posting, maybe a couple and make snap judgments like that?
How he bungled?
How about not enough troops to begin with, how about no cohesive plan for what would happen after Saddam was removed, to name two...
But see, UNLIKE YOU, I understand each war is different and I have researched extensively for other posts exactly how many and what mistakes have been made in EVERY war we have ever been part of.
Now.... humoring you is over, this post is about Iran, if you want to see the MUTIPLE, dozens of posts I have done about Iran previously, just click the Iran Label.
Being an Amercian Jew, I have a unique interest with this subject and it has NOTHING to do with Bush, it has everything to do with the history of Iran, the History of Israel, the History of the conflicts in the middle East.
Dating well before Bush was President.
So get back on topic, or go play elsewhere.
BOB, if you get through all the rhetoric to see tis, the interview with Hegseth, portions of it are being published in the Washington Times.
HOOOOOOOOWAHHHHH
Just in time to counter the ant-war Moveon Org's media campaign that starts tomorrow.
Double Secret Probation.
Double Secret Probation?
ummmm, at the risk of really regretting this question, HUH?
Better late than never, but still too little, too late. Shrub has never confessed the truth: we were attacked by Islam, not by any particular nation, group, organization or faction. By lying about the identity of our enemy, he committed himself to telling a stack of lies.
Islam is a war machine, not a religion and not peaceful. It is totally incompatible with democracy and liberty.
He sent an invasion force where he should have sent tactical nuclear warheads. He sent the Northern Alliance to Tora Bora, which he should have nuked.
He forgot to designate Fedayeen Saddam as terrorists. He let them leave the battlefield alive along with the Republican Guard, both of which are now infiltrating the Iraqui police force & army.
He refers to KSA as an ally against terrorism. Nothing could be further from the truth. KSA publishes a Qur'an translation which spells it all out. You can read it here, in the footnote to 2:190 http://www.qurancomplex.com/Qura...gama.asp?
nSora= 2&l=eng&nAya= 190# 2_ 190 . Anyone, even Shrub could read 8:12, 8:39, 8:67 & 9:29 and the ahadith which confirm them. Shrub won't. If he read them, he'd know what Islam is, what it does, and why it does it.
The facts are laid out clearly, in one place for all to see in Ch11, p234 of Riyad-us-Saliheen: http://www.witness-pioneer.org/v.../11/
chap234.htm
which discusses the obligation of Jihad. It includes the relevant ayat & ahadith with commentary.
In Reliance of the Traveller, Al-Misri lays out the relevant Islamic law: "The caliph (o-25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o-11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,"... .
Just like that; the Caliph does it as a matter of course. It is expected of him. Al-Shafii & Al-Ghazali ruled that the Caliph must mount at least one expedition against Kuffar in every year if he has sufficient strength.
Shrub won't tell you this. I will, because I have no interests to protect and I don't care whom I offend.
Perpetual war is what Allah commanded, what Muhammad exemplified & what Islamic law ordains. Are you going to tolerate that, or are you going to get rid of it?
I say get rid of it! Mutual respect; live & let live or go to Hell.
Hundreds of our soldiers have been killed by EFPs sent to Iraq by the IRG. Shrub knows the location of the factories which churn them out. He won't bomb them. What mental & moral defect impels him to sacrifice men to his timidity???
The politics get in the way of doing what must be done. Because of how this country is set up, sometimes you cannot just bomb those that deserve it.
We cannot rail upon one person or even one party, it is the system and we either have to work within in or change it.
It isn't a pretty fact, but it is a fact.
OK.
Posting about Iran.
The government of Iran was being held in check by Saddam Hussein's government in Iraq. It [the Iranian government] was also increasingly unpopular with its citizens.
The government of Iran was trying to reach out, they even assisted the United States in it invasion of Afghanistan, providing information and support.
Now.
Thanks to George W. Bush's "Axis of Evil" speech, the government of Iran pulled back from cooperation. And, thanks to those threats, the population of Iran was encouraged to "rally 'round the flag" against an outside threat (the US). Just as could have been anticipated in any country of the world.
With the removal of Saddam, and the installation of a Shia dominated government in Iraq, whose members spent the past twenty years in Iran, and were close to the Iranian leadership, the government of Iran is now the most powerful in the Middle East.
The United States military is now bogged down in the Quagmire that Dick Cheney predicted in 1994 would result from the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
But Conservatives are itching to launch another war, to fight and occupy a country more than three times larger than Iraq.
Do you think conquest of Iran is going to be a "cakewalk" too?
Do you think that attacking American troops will be "greeted as liberators"?
Do you believe that "Iranian oil money will pay for the occupation of Iran"?
And, do you think that "surgical strikes" will do the job you want, without having to be followed up by ground invasions and occupation?
My point is that the Conservative drumbeat to go to war against Iran is clouded in a world of fantasy and incompetence, just like the George W. Bush and his inner circle.
That is why I do not trust Bush, or Conservatives, to take any military action against Iran. It is not a matter of "hating Bush". It is a matter of demonstrated delusions and incompetence on both their parts.
I see the leftinistra is out in force today.
I'm going to say this again, one more time, because maybe one day it will sink in.
It doesn't matter if it's Iran. It doesn't matter if it's Iraq. It doesn't matter if it's Afghanistan. It doesn't matter if it's Somolia, the Sudan, Libya, Egypt, Los Angeles, Chicago, New York City, pick a name, pick a place.
Radical militant Islam wants us dead. Period.
What part of that needs to be elaborated on?
Steve, their own LEADERSHIP preaches this. Are you so blinded by Kos and other such tripe that you can't understand that?
Name for me one war that didn't have scathing errors and mishaps.
Well said Hawk. The problem as I see it is that people are too blinded to understand that Iran is a threat, has made threats and are actively helping to kill American soldiers.
I see people crying out that they don't want to go to war, no one actually does, but they offer no alternative except to just let Iran, or whoever, kill as many as they want, threaten to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth, chant Death to America and simply do NOTHING about it.
THAT is not an option.
Do you also notice they cannot make one single argument without bringing Bush into it?
Much of these problems started before Bush ever became president and yet they cannot make one single comment in the comments section WITHOUT showing their Bush Derangement Syndrome.
That speaks louder that anything to me.
They ignore the fact that Clinton had been OFFERED bin Laden and refused to take him.
Why on earth do these "johnny-come-latelies" from the Salon Turd Burgular association come to a gun fight with pizza and flowers...if ya know what I mean?
Their pathetic arguement prove once again how inept the left really is and why they have moved beyond just mere stupidity to full blown demetia.
Insanity for all to see.........
They ignore ANYTHING that doesn't pertain to Bush which is what makes the BDS soooooo evident in everything they say and do, which colors their judgment and negates any clear thinking on their part.
Salon Turd Burglar Association? OMG...LOLOLOLOLOLOL
WAIT, stop the press...
Domino's or Pizza Hut?
Are there any buffalo wings?
FOCUS
RIGHT.
Focused.
Bush is an easy target because he's the sitting President, just as any sitting President is fodder for the media and the opposition party, with the exception of Bill Clinton, who could do no wrong in the eyes of the media even when HE DID lie on national television..."I did NOT have sex with that woman...Miss Lewinski..."
Well people need to wake up to the danger Iran poses and quit letting that hatred cloud their judgment.
Yes, they do. The hatred of the infidel is a problem that faces not ONLY the United States, but any other place in the world that isn't under Sharia law.
This is not a new thing, it's been going on for centuries and only now has the world become "small enough" that it's bleeding over into the west.
Actually, hemoraging would probably be a better term.
Re: "They ignore the fact that Clinton had been OFFERED bin Laden and refused to take him."
Flat out, documented lie. However the military commander in Afghanistan in November 2001 DID ask for support to catch a cornered bin Laden. He WAS turned down by the White House which was, already, diverting assets to Bush's planned invasionof Iraq.
Steve, every single thing YOU ave accused Bush of has been the lie.
Documentation has already shown that Clinton had the opportunity and turned it down.
Once again, you let your judgment be clouded by your hatred.
Before 9/11 I was a democrat, never liberal, but a democrat nonetheless, and I liked Clinton but just as I can admit to Bush's mistakes, I was able to admit to Clinton's. Obviously something you are incapable of.
Then again, we all keep getting sidetracked...this is about IRAN, they are a danger to the world and they must be dealt with and I don't give a damn what PARTY a President belongs to, IRAN MUST BE DEALT WITH.
Get that through your skull.
After all, did Bill Clinton ever say this? Or does George W. Bush get his automatic conservative FREE PASS?
http://www.depresident.com/bushisms.asp
"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- George W. Bush, 3/13/2002
I warned you about the Bush Bashing. THIS IS ABOUT IRAN.
You cannot even focus long enough to make one coherent comment without mentioning Bush.
How pitiful.
"President Clinton and his national security team ignored several opportunities to capture Osama bin Laden and his terrorist associates, including one as late as last year" -Mansoor Ijaz, L.A. Times, December 5, 2001
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4540958
http://www.nationalreview.com/
in...tory091103b.asp
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/.../17/
90239.shtml
I don't cotton to being called a liar, Steve, and I damned well know what I'm talking about before I say a god damned thing.
You WILL maintain civility about yourself when you post here. Period.
One last thing about bin Laden and I said this wayyyy before Bush ever did.
Bin Laden is a man hiding in a cave, his money and his "name" might have been on 9/11, but HE WAS NOT ON THOSE PLANES, he is a figurehead that spoke out and said, we are responsible. We have terrorists killing our soldiers, THEY ARE THE PRIORITY, not some old man in a cave.
Sure, it wold look great to capture or kill bin Laden, but acting like his capture or death would be the be all end all of al-Qaeda is worse than just naive, it is completely stupid and had no basis in fact.
He hasn't even been making videos anymore, his number 2 has been issuing them, no one is even sure if Laden is alive anymore.
Get over this Derangement and obsession you have with Bush Steve, it makes you look like a maniac.
Re: "Do you also notice they cannot make one single argument without bringing Bush into it?"
Because this war that Conservatives want to launch in Iran will be managed by George W. Bush. And we all know, from obvious, demonstrated results, that George W. Bush is guaranteed to botch his war in Iran and create a situation that is worse than the one when he went in. Just as he did in Iraq.
That is why I absolutely oppose any military action against Iraq by George W. Bush. Because his has, time and again, proven his incompetence. Keeping the sanction pressure, as weak as they are, is preferable to any other action on Bush's part. For the reasons I have stated above.
Now, back to the topic.... IRAN.
This IS THE LAST WARNING I WILL GIVE.
Clear?
You're talking to a brick wall, mon amore.
He's so in love with his own voice he can't hear those of others.
All you have made clear is, you are #1, incapable of sticking to the topic, #2 unable to see beyond your irrational anger and obsession you have with Bush and #3 unable to follow the posting rules on this blog.
SO, here is the deal, you email me when you are able to follow the rules, until then, you will not be allowed to post again.
My email is wakeupamerica.spree@gmail.com
If your emails are as full of anger and hatred and cannot address the topic at hand you will be filtered from there also.
Have a good day Steve and I would suggest a shrink for that derangement syndrome you have.
Don't hold your breath waiting for that email...lol
Laughing. I don't care one way or another, he wants to try to discuss IRAN and the danger it poses and options for handling that, fine. He doesn't, and he just wants a place to spew nonsense and lies, then he can head over to Kos's site or back to Slate where they all have the same syndrome he has.
He might also want to visit Dr. Sanity's blog, she is trained, works for Nasa and speaks quite a bit about irrational anger and BDS as well as denial.
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http://drsanity.blogspot.com/200...ush-
hatred.html
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/200...t-
syndrome.html
HAD to find those, didn't you?
lol
Oh yeah, if anyone need professional help to see past his BDS and address the actual problem of Iran, it was that one.
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"Double Secret Probation" is what the Dean in Animal House put the Delta Tau Chi on: a title aspiring to intimidation, but actually overblown and hollow bueracratic maneuvering.
If you've followed dmoestic politics in Iran you'll see that Ahmadenejad's popularity has plummeted as the populace has become dissatisfied with bread and butter issues. There's also a sizable portion of the population who fear that he overplayed his hand with all the bluster against the US. At the end of the day, like anyone, they want jobs, affordable energy, and stability. Thus his party took a big, GOP '06 style step back in their last elections. Many on this site appear to crave action for actions sake, but a looming 'other' always bolsters support for a head of state. People will always rally around their leader when they fear outsiders, whether that be the US giving up certain constitutional rights post-9/11 or Iran embracing an aggressive jingoism after the country that labelled them "evil" occupied the nations on either side of them. It isn't weak to put yourself in the shoes of families in other countries. As over here, the populace responded to gut fears of losing your family and countrymen. Iran has ebbed and flowed towards modernism and rapprochment over the years since the revolution. When oil prices decline again (well, they'll never really decline again, but maybe a little), we may see them crest towards the kind of reform we saw around the turn of the century. Smart, relentless diplomacy will win the day. A missile strike is a self-gratifying exercise that will merely give a populace no choice but to rally around the one who protects them, even if they know he can't provide what they want. An invasion is a self-fulfilling prophecy of cataclysmic war. It can be avoided.
The geography of Iran makes a land invasion extremely impractical. It could not be done on the cheap. The major objectives are protected by mountains.
Attack by air is much more doable. They are modifying one type of bomber to carry two new bunker busters, which weigh 30,000# each. If I remember right, 5,000 of that is high explosive. They will penetrate deeply before detonating.
Millions of foot pounds driving a major load of Tritonal deep into a bunker. Kiss them centrifuges goodbye.
As for the ruling clique, its time for us to find a way to support those who crave its ouster. We got rid of Mossadegh, did we not? Lets have a sequel!
i agree that would be the best way if it can be done. hopefully anyone taking over would not be worse.
Well. It "IS" apparent that Phillie Steve is a class-act moron.
It will be a GRAND thing to watch them ALL further self-implode.
As for IT saying I was full of hate...
Yes...I am. I hate the very thought of moonbats like the Code Fag Fuckers and the MoveOnDotIcan'tGetAHard-on MF's prattling on their HATE AMERICA shit as our military gets attacked, KIA, MIA and wounded due to the non-toilet trained little shits enboldening the enemy.
And yes, one day, should I meet any of them face to face, there WILL be hell to pay and I WILL be the Delivery.
Bring it on little ones...bring it on.
Not all change is positive. In the real world, such systems are dynamic, and there are no guarantees. For sure we replaced one evil with another in Iraq.
Snooper Opined:
"Hint to the idiot: recess is over and teacher is waiting for you. Get out of the play sand. Your idiocy is underwhelming."
Was there an argument in there somewhere?
Again, if the majority of attacks against Americans are coming from Sunnis, why aren't we more worried about where they're getting the support from? That question has nothing to do with Bush (or BDS), and is completely relevant to the conversation. If we're going to single out Iranian interference, when that interference has fewer consequences than interference from other groups, then this issue has nothing to do with the safety of our troops -- it's strictly political.
It seems you are one dimensional, tell me, do you think we cannot be worried about Iranian weapons, al-Qaeda in Iraq AND the Sunni factions?
See this is my point.. THIS post is directly related to the news about the Revolutionary Guard being added to the terrorists list, nowhere does it speak to the other groups, THAT is for other posts which we often speak about.
I do see that your question was reasoned and having questions is not considered BDS, but what I cannot understand is how you think that just because this post is focused on Iran, it someone means that the other problems aren't or won't be addressed.
Each problem must be addressed and each problem will have a different solution, I am simply trying to get people to try to stay on the topic being discussed and posted about.
Thanks though for your well thought out question and I hope I answered it for you.
For the record, Snooper is one veteran who is simply sick and tired of people like Steve that cannot make one coherent sentence without going on a rant about Bush.
You did, and I appreciate the point of view. What worries me is that all this attention being paid on Iran is stealing focus from what is a bigger problem.
Yes, this particular post was about Iran. But that's not in a vacuum. EVERYONE is talking about Iran. Nobody is talking about the other 66% of deadly attacks on our troops. Hell, it's an obvious question that never even gets asked by the MSM when military officials bring up the Iranian angle.
We're being led down a path. I'd just like for us all to have our eyes open as we head down that path.
I'll quit that rant now.
Here's something new, and a lot more on-topic. My understanding is that the leadership in Iran is more amorphous than in most countries. Rafsanjani has a degree of control, Ahmadinejad has a degree of control, and there's some question about where their powers overlap. Do we have any really good idea of what level of government, and which "branch" of government, this Iranian aid might be flowing from?
Plus -- and again, this is my understanding -- the increase in recent deaths by these Iranian weapons has occured because we've started concentrating efforts on the Shiite militias. What's their end game? Sure, they want us out, but do they want to overthrow the Shia-dominated government? That doesn't make much sense.
No it doesn't and while the roadside bombs and certain weapons are coming directly from Iran, the most "spectacular", for lack of a better word (not enough coffee yet) attacks are coming from al-Qaeda, because al-Qaeda's stated goal in the many videos and letters that have been intercepted or shown for propaganda purposes, is to use OUR media to influence OUR politicians to force us to leave Iraq before we can fully stabilize it.
As for the Sunni's, we have been making amazing progress now that the Sheiks have decided that al-Qaeda is their enemy and the US will leave when things are stabilized.
Everyone in Iraq is turning against al-Qaeda and their stated reason is al-Qaeda keeps randomly killing as many innocent civilians as they can to influence OUR perceptions here.
As Mr. Hegseth points out in the interview I have just published, when he walked into Iraqi living rooms, it was OUR news they were watching and OUR political bickering and he says that al-Qaeda keeps even a closer eye on that.
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree....-
executive.html
You must also remember that Sadr is heavily involved and loyal to Iran, which complicates matters even further.
We discuss these other issues at length in other posts, we simply prefer to look and discuss one problem at a time when we publish.
I have seen war up front, closed proximity and in person...LIVE and that is not Memorex.
What most do not or will not see is this. The "majority" of the attacks on our troops are not from the enemy in theater. The majority of the attacks are here stateside, period, bar none.
That translates into emboldening the enemy and indirectly, every time an asshole anti-war moron opens its fucking yapper, it places one more Soldier, one more Marine, one mare Airman, one more Squid that much more in peril.
The enemy watches our pathetic morons in CONgress and they watch the idiots on the news channels more than our own people do and play to the "sensitivities" of the emotional idiots calling for the US to quit.
I have seen that with my own eyes here at home and in the middle of the shit. And The Shit is when you are in a battle with everything shy of nukes.
As Spree has stated, I am sick and tired of the idiots like the trolls that pretend to be intellectual.
All the discussions and "debates" are a waste of time. They believe what they believe and there will be no changing them. Their appearances on blogs such as Spree's is a pathetic attempt of discrediting and it will not work.
The moonbat fruit loop brigades are passe and a dying force.
Whatever I can do to hurry that process along, will do.
I am ready to rumble.
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