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Global Cultural Jihad.
Muhammad's message to today's Muslims is that the earth and all that it contains belongs to his Allah (3:109). He also tells them that the only Religion that is acceptable to his Allah is Islam, which Muhammad himself made (cf. 5:3).
As the followers of the perfect Allah, Muslims are his representatives on earth. This position of theirs makes them the owners of the whole world as well as everything it contains.
According to Islam, non-Muslims are the illegal occupiers of the lands they are living on. Since they do not accept Allah, all of them must either be evicted from their homes, or be killed for refusing to submit themselves to Islam.
Muhammad's scheme to force political acceptance of Islam, requires "establishing", the Muslim, birth right for killing, killing, killing. http://getwith.us
Muslims know that there is no honest way to refute the message of Islam. IF murders, threats and intimidations are stripped away Muslims know that there is NOTHING ELSE LEFT TO ISLAM. Islam is without a message to anyone out side its death reach. Muslims fear Muslims NOT Infidel's, "Islam requires victims". http://getwith.us
If you can wrap your mind around the concept of a perfect lie, you can understand better the Muslim god Allah (translation ~ Lucifer).
Mohomot set the example, http://getwith.us
Islam is the product of a jumbled, chaotic, ignorant, demonic, immoral mind.
Terrorism is not an ideology, it is a tool; but the terrorists kill for an ideology. They call that ideology Islam.
Murder, rape, assassination, beheading, massacre and sacrilege of the dead to delight the hearts of the believers were all practiced by Muhammad, were taught by him and were observed by Muslims throughout their history.
This is the time, that we have to find the root of the problem and eradicate it. The root of Islamic terrorism is Islam. The proof of that is, the, Quran.
When you strip away Islam's mask of intimidation and deception, There is absolutely nothing there.
How else could a “religion” keep so many brainwashed zombies in line if not for the ever-present death threat that is the beautiful Quran?
It is impossible to bring shame upon a rabid animal that has been programmed to have no soul. Your words, no matter how powerful and seething to a normal human, do not penetrate the blank stare of the lunatic Muslim. It would be easier for you to make your dog to feel guilty about eating the piece of steak you dropped at his feet.
Islam contributed to the world by enriching the English language with the word “assassin” which originates from the Arabic word hashashins “hashish users”. It was a term used to designate devout Muslim young men who were kept constantly intoxicated with heavy doses of hashish and trained to kill, whose chief object was to assassinate Christian pilgrims to the holy lands.
For those thinking it
’s a clash of cultures, the only culture Islam spread is bacteria that should be treated in medical laboratories. Literally Islam means “surrender” and that’s exactly what Mohamed stated “surrender and be safe (from the sword)."
If that
’s what you still think then you’re either living on another planet or getting your education from CNN, which boils down to the same. The fact still remains that the sword of Islam won’t spare you or your loved ones. It is set in stone (of the ka’aba) and the Koran.
Actually, as a reminder, the sword of Islam is still floating in Washington DC and the capitals of the western world on top of the Saudi Arabian embassies. Either way, we still invite you to check our proofs, which are exclusively from the most authoritative Islamic sources. Free to you after to decide.
We're here for business, and we mean business. The business of surviving Islam by breaking its sword. It
’s the most serious priority which, if not accomplished successfully and decisively, Islam won't leave you a chance to have other businesses.
Our purpose is to achieve 2 goals.
To destroy Islam in the minds of Muslims seeking the truth about Mohamed, and
To build a grassroots popular movement to exert pressure on our lawmakers to probe the legality of the Koran in an open public debate.
The western powers, led by America, fought to destroy Hitler
’s Nazi supremacist and ethnic cleansing ideology, and banned Mein Kamf to save the world from annihilation.
Would anyone take the challenge to prove to us that Mohamed’s Islamic Mein Koran is any different?
In 1970, Congress passed the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO) Act, Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1961 through 1968. At the time, Congress' goal was to eliminate the ill-affects of organized crime on the nation's economy. RICO was intended to destroy the Mafia.
Genghis Khan, Hitler, and Stalin were cruel men. We accept it as it is. No one is called to imitate them. Muslims are, however, called to follow Muhammad's personal example.
Furthermore, Muhammad's character was used as proof for his god and the Qur
’an, his every word and deed, called Sunnah, formed the basis of Islamic ritual and law. In the 33rd surah, he was declared to be the model for mankind. The Qur’an commands Muslims to believe in Muhammad and to follow Muhammad's orders. We need to look at whom Muslims are called to take as their model and leader to see if doing so is wise and to determine if by them doing so our lives and liberties are impacted. We must examine his life in detail.
Islam advocates the overthrow of all governments. Islam cannot be welcomed in the United States of America. The United States Senate failed to Examine Islam.
To be educated about Islam is to know that it cannot be tolerated that it is the enemy of freedom, enlightenment, prosperity, and civility. Islam is murderous and treasonous; it inspires, instigates, and rewards terrorism. As such, Islam exists outside the protections of the First Amendment.
Oooookay, while I agree, personally, with what you're saying about Islam, I DO have to say this:
JEsus CHRIST, spam much?
Peace,
The verses have been taken either partially or out of context.
For example, the film starts with 8:60 (in the middle of a section describing a war situation). Neither the verses before or after are shown (that would clarify the context). The verse right after 8:60, i.e., Quran 8:61 says: "If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient."
Fighting in Islam is only allowed in self-defense and the Quran forbids aggression (2:190-193, 5:87, 8:61, 4:90, etc.).
[Quran 2:190] You may fight in the cause of GOD against those who attack you, but **do not aggress. GOD does not love the aggressors**
Please see: http://www.masjidtucson.org/subm...iving/
wars.html
and the section:
http://www.masjidtucson.org/subm...tives/striving/
peace and may God bless,
- F
Ok, Fred, you go over to the Middle East and tell that to bin Laden and the rest of them. We aren't the Muslims here, it's not we who have declared war in the name of religion, and we're not the ones going around committing acts of terrorism in the name of Allah.
Dig?
Take that message to the people who need to hear it.
Really, forget the portions of the Koran, the beheadings, the stonings, the bombings are REAL and guess what? It is people using the Islamic religion , hijacking it, to justify murdering innocent people.
THAT is the bottom line.
Fred, wath we have find out inthe Netherlands is, that their are no moderate Moslims, and I have never seen or hear them criticys an act of terror executed by the Islam, or out the name of Allah, never, they are indocterinated with an evil spirit, other wise they dont can be, an real Moslim. if they respect us or integrate in our way of living with our values, they are traitors of their holy book, and have to be killed.
An Iranian court has sentenced a teenage rape victim to death by hanging after she weepingly confessed that she had unintentionally killed a man who had tried to rape both her and her niece. The state-run daily Etemaad reported on Saturday that 18-year-old Nazanin confessed to stabbing one of three men who had attacked the pair along with their boyfriends while they were spending some time in a park west of the Iranian capital in March 2005. Nazanin, who was 17 years old at the time of the incident, said that after the three men started to throw stones at them, the two girls' boyfriends quickly escaped on their motorbikes leaving the pair helpless. She described how the three men pushed her and her 16-year-old niece Somayeh onto the ground and tried to rape them, and said that she took out a knife from her pocket and stabbed one of the men in the hand. As the girls tried to escape, the men once again attacked them, and at this point, Nazanin said, she stabbed one of the men in the chest. The teenage girl, however, broke down in tears in court as she explained that she had no intention of killing the man but was merely defending herself and her younger niece from rape, the report said. The court, however, issued on Tuesday a sentence for Nazanin to be hanged to death. Last week, a court in the city of Rasht, northern Iran, sentenced Delara Darabi to death by hanging charged with murder when she was 17 years old. Darabi has denied the charges. In August 2004, Iran's Islamic penal system sentenced a 16-year-old girl, Atefeh Rajabi, to death after a sham trial, in which she was accused of committing "acts incompatible with chastity". The teenage victim had no access to a lawyer at any stage and efforts by her family to retain one were to no avail. Atefeh personally defended herself and told the religious judge that he should punish those who force women into adultery, not the victims. She was eventually hanged in public in the northern town of Neka.
Before you indulge in any sort of debate with Muslims, remember the facts...
1. The mental state in which the Muslims are in is exactly similar to that of the emperor in the magic robe story. -> *
2. For such an emperor, the plain fact - HE IS NAKED; hurts him the most.
3. Do not enter into any sort of debate with such a naked emperor.
4. The naked emperor's belief that he is clothed is much stronger than your's that you are clothed. (Forget for a moment who is clothed or not clothed, just concentrate on the depth of the belief).
5. You can never win a verbal debate with such a naked emperor.
6. Your strategy while dealing with such an emperor should be - one and only one - Continuous Repeating of the plain truth - YOU ARE NAKED, YOU ARE NAKED, YOU ARE NAKED.
7. This PLAIN TRUTH causes him more mental stress than seeing his entire family murdered right in front of his eyes.
8. In the context of Islam, you simply have to keep parroting the following words....
ALLAH IS LUCIFER
ISLAM IS A HOAX
MUSLIMS ARE USED
OSAMA HAS LOST
ISLAM HAS LOST
MUSLIMS ARE LOST
9. Avoid getting into any other discussion with Muslims, despite the temptation.
10. Following the 9th suggestion is difficult...
11. Understand that the problem faced by Muslims in rejecting their belief is deeper than you can imagine.
Mr. Arnold Beverly, I have reed every writing, of you this evening, here in France its now 12.30 and I go to bed, I think I dont sleep well, from this Moslim oppresion and onhuman way they see live, this has to be evil creatures, its for me not understandeble, that people like this excist, real, its very disturbing, Yours, good night.
So, here we have it in plain English, as simple as A, B, C:
A. According to the Koran, war against the infidel is a sacred duty of every Muslim.
B. Accordingly Muslims interpret the Koran literally.
The conclusion is inevitable:
C. Muslims perceive war against the infidels — meaning you and me — as their sacred duty.
Dear Jennie,
France is sleeping at the foot of a volcano it inspired.
Susan,
I'll kindly disagree with your statement that radicals are hijacking the message of the Quran. In fact the radicals are fulfilling the law and words of Mohammed and the Hadiths.
The Quran teaches physical war in this world until all are subdued by Allah's army. Anyone who does not follow this doctrine is considered apostates. One only need to look at the nations ruled by Islam from Saudi Arabia to Iran, Sudan and others to fully understand that they obey the law as written. There are no misinterpretations by these followers of strict Sharia law.
It is the moderates who deliberately walk away from the extremist, radical words of Mohammed. They essentially ignore his true teachings if they do not carry out beheadings and attacks against infidels and physically spread Islam across the entire world. That is the Islamic standardized message and legitimate goal as written clearly in the Quran.
The extremist are simply fulfilling the laws of Mohammed.
In an interview with Israeli newspaper Haaretz, Bat Ye'or explained how French President Charles de Gaulle, disappointed by the loss of the French colonies in Africa and the Middle East as well as with France's waning influence in the international arena, decided in the 1960's to create a strategic alliance with the Arab and Muslim world to compete with the dominance of the United States and the Soviet Union.
"This is a matter of a total transformation of Europe, which is the result of an intentional policy," said Bat Ye'or. "We are now heading towards a total change in Europe, which will be more and more Islamicized and will become a political satellite of the Arab and Muslim world. The European leaders have decided on an alliance with the Arab world, through which they have committed to accept the Arab and Muslim approach toward the United States and Israel. This is not only with respect to foreign policy, but also on issues engaging European society from within, such as immigration, the integration of the immigrants and the idea that Islam is part of Europe."
"Europe is under a constant threat of terror. Terror is a way of applying pressure on the European countries to surrender constantly to the Arab representatives' demands. They demand, for example, that Europe always speak out for the Palestinians and against Israel."
Thus, the Eurabian project became an enlarged vision of the anti-American Gaullist policy dependent upon the formation of a Euro-Arab entity hostile to American influence. It facilitated European ambitions to maintain important spheres of influence in the former European colonies, while opening huge markets for European products in the Arab world, especially in oil-producing countries, in order to secure supplies of petroleum and natural gas to Europe. In addition, it would make the Mediterranean a Euro-Arab inland sea by favoring Muslim immigration and promoting Multiculturalism with a strong Islamic presence in Europe.
Thank you, Wake up America
"We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."... John F. Kennedy
Michael many do disagree with me on this, so perhaps I should have phrased it differently.
To rephrase, I have done MANY pieces that have shown moderate peace loving Muslims that denounce and condemn, publicly, the violence perpetrated in the name of Islam....despite what the Koran says, many believe they can practice their religion peacefully and do so.
I have published opened letters from very brave moderate Muslims that have risked their very lives to speak out again the violence and terrorism and if THEY wish to practice the Islamic religion peacefully, then bless them and I believe they should be separated from those that use the religion to murder innocent people.
I cannot ignore the millions that practice peacefully, nor can I lump them in with the murderers.
It is what it is and I will happily supply anyone with the words the moderate Muslims have stated about the extremist.
I am not defending the Koran but I am defending the moderate Muslims right to practice their religion peacefully and interpreting their Koran in a way that promotes peace rather than violence.
And We Are called the great satan; Please some one give these morons a mirror!
Mr. Hitchens states it best with the title of his book: God is NOT great, how religion poisons everything.
That means ALL religion, not just Islam. It is ALL part of the problem.
In 15+ minutes, Geert has summed up what we've been saying for at least a year, some more than a year. Very powerful.
Lisa
Islam = Death to the infidel and the infidel is one that does not embrace Islam.
Period.
Screw Islam and all Islamists.
Period.
The world took just 6 years to defeat the combined Fascist armies of Germany, Italy and Japan comprising millions of soldiers. Today, it is more than 6 years since Sept 11, 2001. What the hell is wrong with the leaders of the present world? Waiting for the jihadists to swallow up the planet?
Arnold Beverly, my name is Jenne, its an old Friesian name for a male, and about France, the government, govern if they dont exist, they have an whole ecenomy of their own, drugs arms and so on, plus they get money from the government, wel its more or less to keep them calm, but its a time bomb.---------Mad, Susan Duclo, moderate Moslims, are not existing, if they are moderate, they can not by Moslim, have you heard the smallest protest of the Moslims, about one of their evil deeds, no never, if its one or two they are O,K, but in a mop they go for the blood of non Moslims, like vampires.
why you scare? It is 15 minutes movie.
Learn more to know what islam is....
May you have peace!
Khalid Hussain
Islamabad-Pakistan
hi coon heads
Islam will not go away. Islam here to stay . growing too fast you morale .
join us or buzz off
Mr. Khalid Hussain, you can put your peace wish, a hum, thats where it belongs, we have more then enough, peace from our selfs, so go back in your bottle, and take KHAIRY ELTAWASHY, with you,its your kind, who is sowing hate, but if you sown wind you wil reap storm,::::::::
Susan,
We are actually in agreement as to supporting Moderates. I think it is the right thing to do. But this is not going to stop the coming escalations of war in the future.
It will only get worse 5, 10, 20 years down the road. There will be larger conflicts. Until much of the orthodox statements in Quran and especially the Hadiths are discredited and its current orthodox leaders, this Long War will continue.
My main issues was to point out for those that do not know, there is a huge difference between the words, deeds, values of Judeo-Christian text and those of the Quran which calls for world domination by any force necessary. This is very important for us to admit and expose to the world.
Without us knowing such truths, we come to the battle empty handed.
Unlike the Christian reformation which could honestly be based upon values and words of Christ against corrupt leaders, Kigs and Popes. The long war against Islam may be worse and more deadly as the true believers follow the Quran by its words of Mohammed.
Obviously, I can be wrong, but this war has been going on for 1400 years and has only died down at times of weakness by the Arab nations and Islamic leaders as evreytime the West has had to rise up in defense of itself against the onslaught of terror from Islamic traditional and orthodox values. This repetitive nature of terror and war is expressly due to the words within the Quran.
I sincerely appreciate all your efforts Susan and support you fully in the attempt to lift up the moderates.
At the same time, we should lift up Ex-Muslims who having known the evil of the hatred from the context of the Quran, shine light on it, so that the uninformed masses in Europe and the West will finally get it. Which in fact you do at times.
And we should do exactly as the Pope has done recently. Publicly and proudly baptise converts. Or as the Baptist Protestants have done with two ex-Muslim borthers who are now leading major Baptist Seminaries and regularly speak out about the truth of the Quran and its inherant evil from a confused man.
You as well as I and most know that Israel will remain under attack until we once and for all can discredit the Quran openly and with disgust as freely as atheist and others do against Judeo-Christian text.
Until that day, until there can be full and open debate about the flaws, hatred, intolerance, and incitement to violence, racism, sectarianism, dhimmitude, etc., in the Quran, to expose it for what it is, a false document by a madman, then the physical wars will continue.
I welcome all debates against the Torah, against Moses, Christ. And while I may not like many oppositional and derogatory stances against the Bible, we know we can stand on the word of God not to do violence against our detractors. In fact there is a long history of Christians doing just that starting from the days of the Roman empire, where Christians suffered at the hands of Emperors in torture and death during public beatings and slaughters by gladiators, public cruxifictions, and being fed to lions in their famous stadiums.
Unlike the Quran, the words of Christ teach us exactly the opposite of war, hatred and condemnation.
This is a big difference that must be pointed out for those uninformed. Who think that Mohammed words are equally valid, when in fact he taught hatred, war and horrific crimes against any "infidel" to get his way.
Again, thanks for all you do....
Who is this Arnold Beverly ?
MICHAEL?______I don't know where it comes from, but its clearly, as Wilders want to show with his film, this is done by and with words, thank you, but one question, how do we get this Moslims out of our country, in the Netherlands are the government people, very soft red and, think that they can get this people to think different, but they say we are here to stay, and we will create every where Moslim countrys, we have to make a stand against this evil thinking, they have lots of children, and they have allready more as 4000 small and big moskees in the Netherlands, they oppres the Dutch society, and mis tread the Dutch values. Yours And I wish I could write as You, or as Mr.Beverly
Through the years countries like Holland have lost the Christian roots in the name of Freedom. Less than 10% is today a Christian believer in Holland. And through this development the doors have been opened up for other relegions. Holland has become one of the biggest missionfields of the Islam in Europe.
Old traditional Church buildings have been taken down and making place for new bigg Moskees, showing us the need of the people for religion. The price of the socalled "freedom" will have to be paid in full sooner of later. And the implementation of Islamitich laws depends on the majority of people, everything is possible.
Maybe the film of Wilders might open
the eyes for the realities of today.
Jenne,
I am not in your shoes. I have read of many of the horrific acts by radical muslims in your country, as well as the appeasers on the left in your political parties.
Personally, I do not advocate pushing all people out of a country based upon any specific identity or religion. That would make me as radical and hateful as the ones I oppose.
That was not my point. Susan is substantially correct in her advocacy to lift up Moderates that condemn and fight against hatred in Islam. Unlike Richard Dawkins, I do not advocate the complete abolition of religions all.
I think the best thing you can do is support your current leaders like Wilders that are now fighting back politically in your country to change things and to challenge the radicals. Challenge their beliefs, their authority and challenge the political appeasers who refuse to address the difficult situation you're living in now. Join other Protesters.
I do understand that many are living in fear in England, France, Sweeden, and your country. But you have to put it aside - fear - and mobilize numbers, inform, distribute and organize.
You have to form your own support groups from the bottom up and support leaders like Wilders who are finally opening their eyes and others to the threat.
I might add, if you're so influenced, support Judeo-Christian values. It is the loss of these values and the equivocation or claiiming that all religions are the same that have the West in trouble today. Secular leaders, humanist and atheist make a huge mistake. Religions are not all equal. Not at all equal and that message must be put out to everyone.
Where Mohammed said to behead a woman for adultry, Christ said, "Go and sin no more" and taught mercy over intolerance, love over anger. He taught all of this from the original Jewish Torah and Prophets.
If there are true Islamic moderates. They will not take offense at these assertions. They will understand that free speech is allowed. They will instead enter into debate, not murder or intimidation. But will counter with examples and be open to reasonable discussions.
"Come, let us reason..."
I see no problem in challenging the Quran as a legitimate document, or Islam as legitimate. I personally regard it as a false religion, created by a madman who twisted orignal Jewish stories, history and Christian text to support his own insane rule and oppression of others. His words unfortunately inspire millions of others to do the same.
In the Quran it claims that Jews and Christians twisted the truth from the original statements of G_d. Therefore, Mohammed is invalidating 4000 thousand years of Jewish doctrine and then 622 years of Christian doctrine. He essentially called Judeao-Christian writers liars and that only he had the authority from "Allah" to write the truth to the people. That the Torah, the Prophets and Jesus all got it wrong and corrupted the original instructions for life. Only he was right.
At first he said to treat Jews and Christians with respect as they were "people of the book" as he learned from them their oral traditions. But he changed when Jews and Christians refused to convert to his made up religion. He then taught that it was OK for forced conversions, killings and/or oppressing those who do not convert and force them to pay higher taxes to Muslims.
That is all fact, all written in the Quran.
Mohammed was an illiterate man. He could not read/write. He was the original terrorist, authorizing his followers to attack and steal from caravans and cities that would not convert to his made up religion.
The way to win against such blind hatred, rage and intolerance is to continue to expose such lies openly for all to see. To continue to expose the radical, extremist leaders for all their actions, words and awful deeds against humanity.
Another words, Know your Enemy. Then expose your enemy for their corrupt actions. Again, I repeat as Susan stated. There are very good pepole, moderates who do not follow most of these traditions. So you do have to be careful.
The sad truth is the radicals do not attack only the West.
They attack their own moderates. They attack other Arabs, Africans, Asians around the world.
Today, in Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, and around the globe, radical jihadist attack innocents.
There is not one place they did not conquer by force, oppression, and beheadings. This is largely true of any country. Problem is, unlike the Western civilized nations, they have not stopped trying to conquer the world. From history past, from Spain to Africa and Indonesia, they physically attack and force conversion either by conquering of territory, and the assimilation of other cultures women into Islam, or as in the case in Africa today, by population shifts as they grow larger and gain majority they oppress all other religions, atheist and agnostics. This is the pattern for the last 1400 years since Mohammed beheaded his first victim.
Most Muslims, as Susan stated hate this radical ideology. But still, most Islamic nations leaders do not denounce it as openly as they should. In fact, many use the Quran to brainwash whole societies. This is what Saddam did. What Osama believes in and what Iranian leaders believe in. Assad of Syria? I think he just uses the religion to further hiw own purpose - annihilate Israel.
Beheadings, lynchings occur daily thru many of the Islamic cultures and countries on trivial issues that most of us forgive in normal societies, understanding that people make mistakes and must atone for themselves individually and to those they love, or who they've hurt.
But Islam believes in Islamic government, run by Sharia Law. Few leaders buck this trend. The allow the clerics great power in the say of everyday life and oppression of the people, especially women.
I hope and pray for you and Europe. We all must stay informed and fight together. There are many good sites on the net. And Europe is coming alive now, finally to the threat.
I'll gather some sites later today for you...
But here is a good article that gives us some insight on why we must know our enemy....
http://www.worldmag.com/articles/13888
I believe in loving our enemy as Christ teaches us, but I do not believe in remaining ignorant of our enemies beliefs and foundational literature in which they marinate their minds. The article addresses this issue very simply.
Jenne,
Here is a quick site to help stay informed, with a good author on Islam.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/
The author has his life threatened by the way daily.
John, no clue who it is.
I am a moderate moslem and I agree with you that the teaching of Islam has a lot of violence but also has a lot of peace teaching
The real problem in our countries is our leaders who areall of them are dictators and all of them are completely supported by the west mainly the americans
in this case there is no chance of any change
On the other hand we (as moderate moslems)have no place to escape from the real terrorists (the leaders) only because the unlimited support from you
MICHAEL------ I thank you for your very rich writing, I will reed it again to morrow morning, and than I will give you my answer, yours good night, its 1 our in the morning, in France
Ok Ali, show me where the peace verses are. I have yet to get an answer from anyone regarding them.
And while you're at it, get off the Blame America for everything bandwagon--if it wasn't our money supporting you and buying your oil y'all would still be living in tent caravans. Get over it and get off it.
And, besides blaming America for all your problems (while you reap the benefits of our wealth being poured into your coffers), why don't you get off your behind and do something to help yourself? Or are you waiting for us to do it for you--while you blame us for everything, of course.
First of all people you must know that the word Islam means PEACE. and the holy Coran is full of peace verses " wa jaalnakoum chououban wa kabaila li taarafou..." which means " We made you different people to meet and know eachother..." Coran doesnt say kill jews or cristians or... but it says in a verse " lakoum dinoukoum wa li dini..." which means " you have your religions and we have our...". Muslim respect other religions and different people. but the Type of Muslims that they dont respect are Extremiste, and extremiste exist in every religion... Like KKK in US, like ETA in Spain...
so people please before you talk about Islam and make an opinion or a convinction you must know first what
´s Islam? because Islam is not what you see and you hear in TV, like what Geert Wilders shows in his video.
He only shows extremist-muslims, why didnt he talk about us Muslims that we live in Europe... we never hurt somebody and we never had the idea to conquer Europe... all what we want is to live in Freedom and peace.
Salam alaykoum = peace to everybody
First of all people you must know that the word Islam means PEACE. and holy Coran is full of peace verses " wa jaalnakoum chououban wa kabaila li taarafou..." which means " We made you different people to meet and know eachother..." Coran doesnt say kill jews or cristians or... but it says in a verse " lakoum dinoukoum wa li dini..." which means " you have your religions and we have our...". Muslim respect other religions and different people. but the Type of Muslims that they dont respect are Extremiste, and extremiste exist in every religion... Like KKK in US, like ETA in Spain...
so people please before you talk about Islam and make an opinion or a convinction you must know first what
´s Islam? because Islam is not what you see and you hear in TV, like what Geert Wilders shows in his video.
He only talk shows extremist-muslims, why didnt he talk about us Muslims that we live in Europe... we never hurt somebody and we never had the idea to conquer Europe... all what we want is to live in Freedom and peace.
Salam alaykoum = peace to everybody
My friends listen what the Coran says :
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace" (The Quran 8:61)
and the verses that what you heard on the Fitna fil
´m arent complete, but im here to complete them...
*Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
*And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
*But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
*And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.
Islam and Muslims we never provoke others people ( race, religion, Tradition...) but if we got provoked we forgive,and if we got provoked once again the result might be not sweet.
I want to added something else, many other religions where people were offered either conversion and peace or death, Islam came with the just word of our creator. In Quran 2:256; God said "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error..." There are many other verses in the Quran that deals with the nature of spreading God's message. One of my favorites which I keep quoting is Verse 10:99 "If it had been thy Lord's Will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!" These verses and many others show how much emphasis Islam places on the mind of people, Muslims or non-Muslims.
Peace
My friends listen what the Coran says :
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace" (The Quran 8:61)
and the verses that what you heard on the Fitna fil
´m arent complete, but im here to complete them...
*Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors.
*And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
*But if they cease, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
*And fight them on until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.
Islam and Muslims we never provoke others people ( race, religion, Tradition...) but if we got provoked we forgive,and if we got provoked once again the result might be not sweet.
I want to added something else, many other religions where people were offered either conversion and peace or death, Islam came with the just word of our creator. In Quran 2:256; God said "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error..." There are many other verses in the Quran that deals with the nature of spreading God's message. One of my favorites which I keep quoting is Verse 10:99 "If it had been thy Lord's Will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! Wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!" These verses and many others show how much emphasis Islam places on the mind of people, Muslims or non-Muslims.
Peace
MICHAEL------ Good morning, afther the war 40-45, we where happy wiyh our freedom, of thinking and speaking, as you know we in the Netherlands, and speciale Amsterdam, like living and let living, no obstructions what so ever, and we lived well some with the church and others with their humanistiese live rule, but you need an inbuild, by your education, a kind of self discipline by repect and not hurting your fellow citizen, but tats all gone, its ript in pieces, by people who don't know this kind of cifilyst living to gether, and we touth that they came to enrich our culture, no they came to conquer, well I have the feeling you are a church man, we had some preacher man in our famelie some wend to the U.S. some are buryd in Cooks country, by Chicago, if you want the now how the Netherland and specialy Holland wash living, reed about New York, wen it still wash New Amsterdam,thats our small heritage we did give to the U.S. and specialy New York, humanisme blend with good old Dutch protestantisme, and the base of this all, respect for each other, and this now is the problem, this new people who come to live with us, don't respect, the come to conquer and distroi our culture and values, its all about values and respect. Islam is building an world religion, some thing about science fiction films, they corrupt and buy their influence where necessary, governments and press,look what a problem for publising this film, a lot of Eorope
ên and American journals and internet sides don't even speak about this film, a thing is what he is doing, they dont like at all, this bend Moslims, he is holding a mirror for their face so they can see how ugly they are,what they see is what they have done to other creaturs from god or supreme power, as you wish, I think your way of thinking and mine, are not far appart, but people in my age go back to their roots, also their old ways of thinking and we day dream, about our old gods and old values, you know what I think some times that all my forbears, are looking through my eyes, on this world, and on the just moment they will guide me, in my difficult moments, I am an fan to a surten hight of Kurt Vonnegut, your American writer, I am stopping, hope to hear from you, yours, jenne
MEHDI,------ If you want to convincing me, you have to declaire, what the Islam is doing to other humans, and religions, is shameful and not possible to do out, an in the name of Allah, your god, than you are not only a good and onest human, but you can stand for every mirror, and look you self in the eyes, with out shame.
Mehdi, my site, A Newt One, Crusaders Armory and many others are currently carrying a series called "Myth vs. Fact" which is currently approaching Part 300, which details verses from the koran. We also have a 14 part series called Know Thine Enemy.
These series are written by Ben, a man who has done considerable research into the koranic verses. I also have a series called Exposing Islam, many articles written by Dean and Ben. Further, every muslim who has thus far tried to convince me of their peacefulness and virtue has degenerated in nastiness and filth because I simply don't buy what's being sold, particularly since I believe in the land mandate given to the Jews by God, don't believe in the palestinians right to Jewish land, don't agree with the political appeasement of islam in America's schools and businesses to the exclusion of all other faiths, see continual examples of sharia law, both in Arabic lands and the spread into Europe and the United States, not to mention muslims coming to MY HOUSE AND DEMANDING I ACCOMODATE THEM BY "ORDERING" ME TO REMOVE MY FLAG AS IT OFFENDS THEM. My flag still flies, by the way, and will continue to fly.
I don't see these acts as so called extremism. they are far too prevalent to be blamed on a few rather than the norm. Rather than assimilate in the United States, muslims are demanding we accomodate them. It ain't gonna happen on my watch.
I see the land of plenty that is the United States and I compare that to the war torn regions in the Middle East, the rubble, the constant destruction, the barbaric treatment of women, the sharia law, the lack of tolerance--including over some ridiculous cartoons or a woman whose class named a teddy bear mohammed.
No, Geert Wilders has it correct--his verses are complete and he has shown, quite well, the true face of islam.
It wasn't Christians who invaded Jerusalem and the Dome of the Rock. It's not Christians and Jews kidnapping and beheading on camera those who disagree with them. It's not Christians and Jews planting cells around the world to destroy. It's not Christians and Jews killing their famillies in so called honor killings. It's not Christians and Jews sentencing rape victims to lashings or death when they kill their attackers. It's not Christians and Jews killing gays. It's not Christians and Jews indoctrinating children into a death culture where suicide killings are honored.
It is muslims, and it is the norm--not the extremists.
Jenne, listen i know Islam more than you do. so if islam were a horrible religion as you say, i would be the first one to hate it. but what i think is shameful is what those Muslim-extremists are doing... but that doesnt reflect the real face of Islam, it´s totally wrong !
Go and find you a Coran in English and look what it says and íf you arent an extremist yourself you will find what the messenger mohamed came with.
peace
Miss Beth - please! As a christian I feel ashamed of what you are writing. Do you truly believe that all Muslims are evil people, and all Christians and Jews are good people?
You say that the Christians never invaded Jerusalem. Have you never heard of the crusades? Here's a link for you to read some more about that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades
What you read in the newspapers are only about extremists. There are extremists in all religions, and they are the ones you hear about. There is no news value in writing about the ordinary life of a peaceful muslim family. How about Christians, like for instance the American David Koresh - what's your opinion on him? Does he represent all Christians? No, of course not!
There will be extremists in all religions (in fact - I think you might just be one of them - just like your hero Geert Wilder) but they are not in majority - and thank God for that. Most people - regardless of religion, just want to live in peace.
But people like you don't want to see that - you are just looking for trouble. You sound like typichal American white trash to me - you know nothing about the world and you don't give a shit - you just want to dominate it. And to pretend like the US has nothing to do with the conflicts in the Middle East - that's just ridiculous. Don't you know that the rest of the world - Europe included - blame your President Bush (also a Christian extremist) for a lot of those conflicts.
I'm a christian, and I welcome all religions in the world. Please - let us all live in peace with eachother.
You just crossed the line Mehdi. I did not personally attack you, but you have chosen to personally attack me.
Now, of course I've heard of the crusades--they were in defense of Jerusalem from the invading muslims. You left that out. And it's not Christians or Jews who are in control of the illegally stolen Dome of the Rock, are they?
Yes, there are extremists in all religions--no one said there aren't. That is you putting your words into my mouth. I gave you specific examples--you haven't answered those examples. You've gone to the blame bush crap for your "reasons"--well, guess what? It was Iran in 1979, under Carter, who started this nonsense with the United States. It wasn't us who started it. What did we do? We paid y'all for your oil and this is how we've been repaid for enriching your countries--Kobar, Somalia, Iran, Iraq--all of that was started by the arabic nations, not the US. It wasn't until Bush I and Bush II this country had the cajones to stand up to the terrorism being aimed at us.
Educate yourself before you start on me, got it? Wilders didn't say one word in his film--he didn't have to.
Christians don't consider the likes of David Koresh or Jim Jones Christians, by the way.
Europe has fallen by the wayside by it's allowing unfettered immigration, particularly of the muslim faction. It's reaping the rewards of that unlimited immigration now in the form of terrorism. Bush didn't start that, either. In all cases, the crap was started by muslims. Period.
You want peace, get off your high horse. You are beginning to sound as if you are one of the muslims in disguise, who can't take the truth when it's shown to you straight on. So you immediately go after the messenger. That dog don't hunt. We will continue to show you the mirrors--if you can't look into them and face the consequences of your actions, or they enrage you, then it's up to you to change--not the job of the mirror to change.
"9. Avoid getting into any other discussion with Muslims, despite the temptation."
That works for me!!!
Faultline, where was that list again?
DUH..never mind, it's above (still waking up here, not enough coffee yet)
BTW, Arnold, I've linked your site in my Exposing Islam blogroll. Fred, I'm ashamed to call you a fellow Tucsonan--yes, I've read your site as well. I keep foremost in my mind one of the 9/11 idiots was affiliated with mosques here. That fact doesn't escape me.
Yes its so, you never get an stread answer from Mosims, they start immediate to spreading their bend way of thinking all over the bloq, I stopt reading their scrips long a go.
Jenne, I haven't reviewed the whole thread yet again (still not enough coffee in me yet), but if Susan hasn't done so, allow me to welcome you to WUA. You have presented a side to the discussion we are only intellectually aware of--you are living it and my prayers, personally, are with you.
Europa only for European.
Muslim get out!!!!
A word for Susan here. Susan and others are quite right in praising muslims who speak out against the atrocities their "religion" preaches. I praise them as well. It takes a lot of courage to speak out against a societal ideology which proclaims fatwas against those who are honest and step up to the plate to denounce what is written in the koran.
However, Susan by no means advocates violence. Nor does she tolerate blind stupidity, and if you're going to comment here, anyone, including myself, you better be able to back things up with facts and research. It's almost a sure fire guarantee if you degenerate into blind name calling or "spamming", talking points without facts, etc., you're going to get edited and/or banned.
Word to the wise here.
Damn Beth, was just getting ready to ask people to please separate the moderates that speak out from the extremists but you said it much better than I was going to...thank you and yes, that is my stand.
Lets be real. All religions are evil because they are based on false fantasy.
If you want to see real true with quotes about Bible and Koran then go here:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/
There is only one way to make this world Heaves is to invest into Knowledge by supporting Science.
Atheism is a false religion in and of itself. God INVENTED science--DUH...even Einstein recognized that.
The false god of science has yet to explain everything in the world, the whys, the whats, etc. Nor will it ever be able to do so. Further, historical evidence in the Bible is being backed up by the science of archeology. In short, science is backing up religion.
Holy Mother of God go to sleep for a few hours and all fucking hell breaks loose.
Look, people, it's like this. Jihadists are in a hurry to go to heaven. Let them come down south, we're armed and more than ready to help them on their way.
The rest of'em, the ones who wish to live in peace? Outstanding, don't let your people fly any more planes into our buildings, strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up in the middle of other people, we'll all be cool and.
It really IS that damned simple.
Dig?
'Morning Mike--got those grits and bacon going?
Susan, I just had to say something before Mehdi degenerated further.
I wound up asleep very early last night with the computer work going on (there'll be more sometime today) and was up way too early--saw this nonsense before I even had coffee and you KNOW how cranky I get before coffee.
Grits and bacon (PORK bacon, from a pig, no less!), scrambled eggs, hash browns, biscuits with sausage (AGAIN from PORK) gravy, and HOT BLACK COFFEE, Beth, and orange juice 
OH, and I still make my coffee like we did in the army: stick a spoon in it, and if it stands up on it's own, it's done...
Man I love bacon....
bacon, grilled hamsteaks, ribs---YUM!
Pass the biscuits andgravy--gonna soak everything in that gravy!
Zibi -
Europe for everybody!
Zibi - get out!
LOL
Miss Beth - please go and do something else, I'm sick of you and your narrow minded opinions. Go out to the barn on your farm and slaugther a pig and eat it!
You're a christian extremist - brrr. You make me ill at ease with your hate.
Aw poor baby---don't like having a mirror put up to your beliefs, eh? Too bad. Don't like it then you make the changes--we're not going to accomodate you.
haha.. you´re right Katja !
Miss Beth your computer must be sick of you as well, go and do something else..
Facts must be a pain to you two--too bad most of us live in reality and don't buy what you're selling. but then, I notice you go after me rather than any of the others making the same arguments--hm, because they're male and I'm simply female? Careful, your misogyny is showing!
Miss Beth -
Did I forget to mention that I'm a Christian? And like a true Christian, I love all people, regardless of race or religion or sexual orientation. I advocate love, peace and forgivness. I'm appalled by sad little people like you, who call yourself a Christian. What true Christian would put up a whole page on the internet, trash talking an entire religion? People like you are an embaressment to Christianity
Tell you what, Katja, people like Miss Beth were more than content and happy living their lives and not calling Islam into condemnation up until 9/11. Islamists came over here and attacked us, remember? Now I know that some of ya'll put a different spin on that for your own reasons because you feel like you have to justify the MURDER of 3000 people who were doing NOTHING more than going about their day to day lives, working, conducting business, but hey, that's for ya'll to work out in Hell, in my opinion. Islam woke up the anger in many Americans at the hate that is heaped upon us, the citizenry, because of what some in Islam consider to be the actions of all of us.
You don't like that we like pork? TOUGH. That's a STUPID reason to hate someone. I'm not particularly fond of asparagus, but the woman I love thinks that they're fantastic. Grounds for hatred? Nope. She's more than welcome to her serving of them, and mine too.
I know the religious differences go much deeper than that, but it is one of the differences, and goes to serve as a point. We have our differences on religious bases, but Christianity doesn't call for the death of unbelievers.
THAT, compadre, is a foundation of a doctrine of hate and violence.
GET OFF your fucking high horse and get a clue. Most American's didn't have a problem with letting Muslim's do whatever they wanted to do as long as they didn't get in our faces and demand that we not do as WE believed.
So if you want to talk about someone being filled with hate, take a look in the fucking mirror sometime.
Hahaha - I like pork too. And I don't hate you people, I just think you are pathetic.
I will never defend terrorism or extremism - not in any form. But to blame an entire religion for what a few madmen did is just wrong! And how many people have died now in the wars that followed, initiated by the US? Tell me Mike and Miss Beth - was it worth it? How many Muslim lifes is one American life worth?
Mike, they will never get it--they are incapable of distinguishing fact from fiction and what they call trash talking an entire religion is simply them showing they are indeed incapable of making that distinction.
Further, if they knew anything about the group of bloggers we are, they would know how you and I go back and forth regarding food all the time--simply liking bacon and pork products has nothing to do with them...and frankly, they chose to after me after YOU published YOUR menu...isn't that interesting?
they have not gone after one man, but after a woman thereby giving lie to the fact they are christians--they are muslims in disguise and practicing their misogyny.
They've outed themselves.
Why don't you tell us how many people have died at the hands of muslims--from the 700's on?
Either clean up your act here or you will be edited...you were warned above and by Susan's rules.
I am living in the Flemish part of Belgium, and only can agree with the word of Miss Beth, Europe is it own victim of there immigration policy, they were smarter oversea, there are parts in Antwerp, were only muslims live, were our rich European traditions are overruled by the islam dictatorship.
And the worst part is you can't say anything about it of your called a racist.
Europe should stop acting like a coward and stand up to this threat and re-learn to defend its borders like it used to do.
But that's what you get with socialist and left side leaders in your country's.
Rather see all muslims out of this Christian part of the world.
"I will never defend terrorism or extremism - not in any form. But to blame an entire religion for what a few madmen did is just wrong! And how many people have died now in the wars that followed, initiated by the US? Tell me Mike and Miss Beth - was it worth it? How many Muslim lifes is one American life worth?"
As many as it takes if they're propagating terror and hatred.
Sic vis pacem parabellem - if you want peace, prepare for war.
Stop apologizing for their hatred and be part of the solution instead of part of the damned problem.
"they have not gone after one man, but after a woman thereby giving lie to the fact they are christians--they are muslims in disguise and practicing their misogyny. They've outed themselves. "
You're absolutely right, there, Beth.
Mike, I like my bacon halfway between crispy and limp...amazing how things exploded when we discuss breakfast...all because we like southern style breakfasts
And Katja, it ain't "just a few madmen"...don't be disingenuous. There is far too much evidence all over the internet for us to buy that load of nonsense, too many videos smuggled out of the lands showing EXACTLY what happens in islam dictated societies, too many executions publicized...
You may wish we put our heads in the sand as the liberals/progressives/socialists do, but we don't and we will not submit.
Nor will we surrender.
I gave a SPECIFIC example of what happened here at my home and not one of you apologists has addressed that. That person and his family are not "extremists"--or are they? Demanding I take my flag down because it offends them?
Bullshit. I live in the UNITED STATES AND WILL FLY MY FLAG WHENEVER I WISH AND IF IT OFFENDS, TOUGH FUCKING LUCK.
Why dont you say first how many people died at the hands of Cristians ?
how many jews did Hitler killed ? how many Muslims did Bush killed ? how Vietnamese died by American ? how many Koreans ? how many Japenese ?
What about the Nuclear bombs is Hirruchima and Nagasaki? - and who has killed more jews, Muslims or Christians ?-
we know all the shit that US have done to this world but we still dont think that all Americans are all terrorists !!
How many Christians did Hitler kill? How many Catholics?
Answer that one...and overall, muslims still hold the record, somewhere around 80 MILLION
6+ million Jews died at Hitler's hands...and 7+ million Christians.
Back up your talking points...we have...do your research...we have...show us the facts from reliable sources...we do
That's what you hate--the fact we do show actual facts and resources, and in your own verses at that
Nor have you answered the fact it is AMERICAN money filling your coffers and building YOUR wealth and this is how you repay us...whether the people of your countries receive that wealth or not is on YOUR leaders, but the fact remains, it is AMERICAN money building your countries. Dispute that.
Medhi, that's way the majority off al muslims spread the word to kill Americans en European no?
Stop the B- shit and look at your own book that spread this hate.
Your religion is what started this, how many victims that did not convert to your religion are killed, it started already when Jews and Christians refused to convert to that so called peace loving religion in the early days of your religion.
Rather be dead than living to your sharia law...
It's sad to see how stupid you people are. I am a woman, I live in Stockholm and I am a prothestant. I don't get offended by the American flag, why would I? I'm just creaped out by your narrow mindedness. "There is far too much evidence all over the internet for us to buy that load of nonsense,"
- Do you believe everything you read on the internet? Get out of your farms into the real world instead. Do you even know any muslims? I have loads of muslim friends, and Christian friends, and atheist friends ,and jewish friends - you name it. Instead of hiding on the internet discussing hate with other haters, we get out and socialize with eachother and get along beautifully. Maybe you people should try that, I can really recommend it.
Im going to a party now - where there will be people present from all over the world - muslims included.
It was most unpleasant talking to you people! Have a nice racist evening!
Show me a moderate Muslim and I'll show you a lazy Muslim. They read from the same damnable vile book. Islam is not a religion it is a way of life and governance.
Islam is certainly not a peaceful religion.
As for taking the Qu'ran out of context...WHAT context? It is an assembly of verses condemning those who do not follow Islam.
Islam is world domination and Christopher Hutchins can take a long walk off a short pier till his hat floats.
The Bible is contextual and descriptive of historic events.
The Qu'ran is prescriptive for the murder, rape, enslavement, and persecution of non-beleievers, it is ordained, directed, and ordered.
Allah is a false god, a pagan idol promoted to deity status by a pedophile, murderer and thief named Mohammad. He was no prophet of God, he is a purveyor of hate against Jews and Christians, including non-beleivers from any walk of life.
You want ot embrace Islam be prepared to meet the devil himself and spend your eternity in hell.
Islam deserves nothing short of erradication. It cannot be made politically correct, it cannot be made more tame, and it cannot be rewritten to make it peaceful.
It has no place in a democratic society , the two are totally incompatible.
Start your journey into hell here; http://www.thereligionofpeace.co...23-
violence.htm
And here; http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
Pro...Own_Words.Islam
And here; http://www.prophetofdoom.net/
I like my bacon the same way, Beth.
Katja, you're a waste of time and your head will soon be rolling from your muslim friends. Maybe when that steel touches your throat you'll have a few last coherent thoughts of gee, maybe they were right after all.
Enjoy your time with the minions of hell. Since you're so "enlightened" maybe you should immerse yourself in Revelations and just how the AC is described...or are you too "enlightened" for anything as passe as the Bible?
Let's break this down point by point for you, Mehdi:
Christianity grew up and decided to actually start following the teachings of Christ: love one another.
How many Muslims has Bush killed? Don't know yet, the body count is still coming in as our troops flush out more terrorist cells.
How many Vietnamese? We were at war in Vietnam, and there were a large number of Vietnamese killed BY Vietnamese there, as well. Same with Korea. Same with Japan. Gee, same with terrorism, how about that?
Who has killed more Jews, Christians or Muslims? Like I said, Christianity grew up, Israel is allied with several Christian nations, you're trying to justify the present actions of hatred by bringing up things from the past we've generally learned our lessons from.
Be part of the solution, not the problem.
Katja, what a totally repulsive post. You go on and party, have a nice time while it lasts.
Just remember you were warned. When Islam takes over Europe perhaps then you will change your tune.
Oh, and the Vietnamese, Koreans, and Japanese? I find it interesting you don't ask how many Americans were killed by THEM, or how many American's have been killed by Muslims.
You were warned.
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Throughout the ages, Muslims have slaughtered far more than any other religion, any other despot in recorded history including the 20+ million Stalin murdered in his own country and they are still at it.
They murder their own people on a whim.
Of course they don't ask that, Mike--just like they won't address 9/11, they refuse to address Pearl Harbor...and anything remotely relating to America defending herself is against the PC police and isn't supposed to be mentioned.
Dean, you're correct--I think it was Arnold above who stated islam needs victims and so they'll sacrifice their own whenever they feel the need. Just as they train their children as suicide bombers--rather than treating children as they should be treated, they're treated as sacrificial lambs for the slaughter. Meanwhile, no one thinks to question why the so called clerics and leaders are getting fat and happy off American money while sending others to their deaths while they hide out.
Europe will never be part of islamic sharia laws, the majority thinks the same way, but they can't say anything about it without being called a racist.
The problem are the politicians.
Someday there eyes will get open and they will see this threat (hopefully).
Freedom of speech doesn't exist anymore in Europe!!!
I hope more and more people as Wilders will spread the word, and lets hope they are not killed just by telling people the truth.
My lord, I spend an hour writing a piece and miss all the action here....sheeesh
You go guys!!!!!
Exactly so Miss B.
I am sick and tired of Muslim apologists. their only purpose is to deceive and lead astray those who know nothing or little about islam.
Like I stated earlier there are no moderate Muslims. They read from the same vile book. The lazy ones just don't put the verses of violence into practice.....yet.
Cyber P (we have another poster we call CP, don't want to get the two of you confused), you are SPOT ON about the politicians and the hate speech directed at those who tell the truth. It's coming to a head here in the US and it's not going to be pretty.
BTW, Welcome to WUA!
Susan, see what you miss? I'm about to go down, my computer geek is here for more of the work...I've already asked Dean for some coverage today--can I get some from you as well?
Funny how Katja thinks we all live on farms, eh? Guess it thought NYC was full of farms as well--shows you what ideas hollyweird gives people.
Damn muzzie Islamic jihadi retard trolls.
Katja is naive and filled with illusion and idealism. Must be young.
Yeah, so I grew up on a farm...but I didn't stay there did I....lol.
Sometimes I wish I had but you know what my dad used to say about a wish? Wish in one hand and shit in the other boy...see which one fills up first.
what is a farm, anyway?
I say the same thing to my kids, Dean. Especially when they start wanting expensive electronics (damn, there's that good, ole American capitalism again!) and they haven't fulfilled the conditions laid down to earn said electronics.
And they HATE IT when mom gets her own electronics in the form of killer computers that I'm going to teach how to fly very shortly. AND my computer geek is going to be doing some tweaking on my laptop, as well--I'm gonna have work, laptop and home computers linked and flying in no time.
Whe ever said that Arnold Beverly is not the recipient of the latest CRP??? It definately has its head stuck up its ASS!
Snoop, it's where strong people make a living off the land and sell the surplus--self sustaining, for hard workers, determined to be self-sufficient and not rely on the government for handouts. Something socialists hate and consider it an insult to be living on one.....
Red, Arnold's a good guy--his site is packed with facts. He just likes giving lots of posts...he's definitely not the problem
"what is a farm, anyway?" LMAO Snooper.....it's been so long ago I just cain't remember.
Growing up on that farm taught me alot including money doesn't grow on tree's. If ya want something bad enough you'll work for it and if it is worth having you'll work harder for it.
My parents didn't buy me my first car, nor the second, third, fourth, etc. I did...by working hard to get what I wanted.
DEAN! You said the UNTHINKABLE FOUR LETTER WORD----AARGH--SHAME ON YOU! And that word is....wait for it....WORK!
What do you mean money doesn't grow on trees? Damn that nursery man for selling me a money tree...he said it was the very tree our government is using for all the liberal/socialist programs....
My father has teach me, if people try to hurt you with words, let them look in the mirror, than they see how ugly they are wen they tel lies, its what Geert Wilders is doing, he let them look in the mirror, their they see the truth about their religion, They are all the time fencing with their holy book, the koran, but all books in the world have no power if you not live and behave along the lines of this book, it becomes an empty shell, I am not without an religion, but I am not an real churchman, but I try to listen and to learn, I respect every man or woman, but people who don't live, the way they are preaching, I hate, its this people who manipulate the world, and they have allways the money, filth seeks filth, and there starts our problem, empty religion, a footing of hate, followers full of fear, and to much mony, its an portred of satan.
Why hec Miss B. I have a money tree growing in my own house...it's also called a good luck money tree or Pachira.
Most of my neighbors think it's a pot plant....LOL....but I don't smoke those left handed cigarettes....did once and I did inhale but all it did was make me sleepy, hungry and short of cash.
Jenne, once again you are correct. We are in the middle of debates here in the US about the power of words ourselves. I think the whole problem of Wilders' movie is just as you say--the mirror has been held up and those who don't like it wish they could change what they see in the mirror and they can't.
Personally, I have no problem with people of other faiths (I follow Tridentine Catholic myself), but again, for the most part, the other faiths are NOT practicing this abomination in the name of someone else.
Your father sounds like a wise man.
Dean, I want a cutting off that tree--my money tree doesn't want to bloom!
"Holy Mother of God go to sleep for a few hours and all fucking hell breaks loose.
Look, people, it's like this. Jihadists are in a hurry to go to heaven. Let them come down south, we're armed and more than ready to help them on their way.
The rest of'em, the ones who wish to live in peace? Outstanding, don't let your people fly any more planes into our buildings, strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up in the middle of other people, we'll all be cool and.
It really IS that damned simple.
Dig?"
LOCKED AND LOADED AND VERY READY!!!
Jihadists does not go to heaven let them burn in hell..... thats what they deserve... no less, no more.....
My shotgun is by my door...and my attack dog as well, little ball of white fluff that she is, she HATES visitors (I have to lock her up to keep her away from the pizza delivery man!)
for fred the clueless:
The Reliance of the Traveller. Version 1.06 - By Ahmad Ibn Naqib Al-Misri
BOOK O: JUSTICE >> Chapter O-9.0: Jihad
O-9.8: The Objectives of Jihad
The caliph (o-25) makes war upon Jews, Christians, and Zoroastrians (N: provided he has first invited them to enter Islam in faith and practice, and if they will not, then invited them to enter the social order of Islam by paying the non-Muslim poll tax (jizya, def: o-11.4) -which is the significance of their paying it, not the money itself-while remaining in their ancestral religions) (O: and the war continues) until they become Muslim or else pay the non-Muslim poll tax (O: in accordance with the word of Allah Most High,
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day and who forbid not what Allah and His messenger have forbidden-who do not practice the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book-until they pay the poll tax out of hand and are humbled" (Koran 9.29),
Miss BETH, my father wash realistic, and clear minded, went for preacher, but endedup, a protestand comunist, he wend to Spain to fight Franco, they went in with an international bataljon of 800, and came out with 43 alive, in spain he med lots of brave American man, he dit now, Earl Flynn, and others,and an other preacher from Colorado, well he is long time dead. DEAN------- your father wash right, with farming, if you want to make money with farming you have to be a small villain, an little pil here something there, no with stread forward farming you can struggle along, but ist never easy, I have farming the last 30 years, lately a made wine, the live is nice but questyn of money, same system little sucker an little wather, well its wath I don't like, I am retired, so not lots of money, but not an small villian neither,I stop otherwise my wive gets angry, good evening, and thank you for all your ideas and reflections
Luke 1:68-79
Blessed be the Lord, the God of Israel, for he has visited and brought redemption to his people.
He has raised up a horn for our salvation within the house of David his servant,
even as he promised through the mouth of his holy prophets from of old:
salvation from our enemies and from the hand of all who hate us,
to show mercy to our fathers and to be mindful of his holy covenant
and of the oath he swore to Abraham our father, and to grant us that,
rescued from the hand of enemies, without fear we might worship him
in holiness and righteousness before him all our days.
And you, child, will be called prophet of the Most High, for you will go before the Lord to prepare his ways,
to give his people knowledge of salvation through the forgiveness of their sins,
because of the tender mercy of our God by which the daybreak from on high will visit us
to shine on those who sit in darkness and death's shadow, to guide our feet into the path of peace.
Do you see the difference?????
Robert, I felt the same way when I first looked in...LOL
Jenn, my thoughts are with you and your father, my father was spanish and i know what you mean, my father (also rests in peace) flee his hole live from the hard government of franco. Before Spain went Europe......
May the REAL GOD continue to Bless America and our Troops for volunteering to go and fight these 7th century throwback, throat-cutters!
PS. I love my bacon crispy just like I like my Jihadists!
To all Americans, a good night, to all muslims burn in hell....
regarding to Arnold Beverly (said:muslim belong to earth only), its not true we muslims have nevr occupide your country,USA have since 1550's OK all over the Africa&Asia contenent, we as muslims would love to share this world with peace and harmoney. regarding to the explination to of Surah 8, verse 60 commenting on Mr.Geert wilders FitnaFilm:
(Make ready for them) for the Banu Qurayzah as well as for others (all thou canst of force) of arms (and of horses tethered) of female tethered horses which are prepared for fighting, (that thereby ye may dismay) that you may strike fear by means of these horses in (the enemy of Allah) with regard to religion (and your enemy) by killing them, (and others beside them) besides the Banu Qurayzah and all the Arabs; it is also said that this is a reference to the disbelievers among the Jinn (whom you know not) you do not know their number. (Allah knoweth them) Allah knows their number. (Whatsoever) of wealth (you spend in the way of Allah) in obedience of Allah, whether it is arms or horses (it will be repaid to you in full) its reward will be repaid to you, none of it will be diminished, (and ye will not be wronged) your reward will not be diminished.
And this verse is supposed to impress us how?
Frankly, I have yet to see the things I mentioned addressed by any of the muslim apologists here, particularly regarding the condition of your lands and the destruction/devastation left in the wake of muslims in their so-called "peace". In regards to "riches", again, show me your lands and what you've done with them. Show me the cultural strides you've made, beyond the number zero. Show me the libraries full of classic literature written by muslims, the museums full of priceless art wrought at the hands of muslims, the scientific strides, the architectural wonders, the symphonies composed, the dances choreographed, the medical miracles. Show me the treasures of families where the wives aren't beat according to allah, the girls aren't genitally mutilated ritually and the boys aren't taught how to kill. Show me the treasures of intact families full of love instead of hate and twisted so called honor killings. Show me where women are allowed freedom.
These are things achieved by a people of peace.
Oh--wait--there are none of those things because you're NOT a people of peace.
allah knows nothing more than God allows him to know--we have another name for allah--satan.
From what I have read on this page I am guttered and disappointed at the same time that lots of you are commenting without FACTS on just a movie that been made deliberately against Islam and targeting the reverts, I just wonder what you guys have done at your universities!! I don
’t think none of you or most of you have done their home work and focusing exactly about the explanation to the verses pointed out in the Film. (and understand it without giving up just for few minutes of your time won't hurt and please don’t think I am trying to revert you) you will relies that it has nothing to do with the World Trade Center and their boomers. (and honestly my heart goes to those who lost their lives in the Twin Tower) rest n peace.
Its like all of you just got back from a cinema and started just bluffing about nothing, many comments has nothing to do with the topic at the same time some of you have hate to others, the explanation to these verses were made way before 2000 so I can't figure out from the explanation what link has it got with the Trade Center beside the verse talks about an Arab tribe (Banu Qurayzah) were fighting Makkah people so that
’s when the verse came to help out the Makkah people from their enemies also it mentions "and to those enemies who u don’t know them only Allah knows them referring to Jinn(Ghost)".
Please these explanations where not made or manipulated after the Trade Center if you don
’t know math's than I cant help you there sorry.
If you can pick any verse out of proportion I can challenge you there cuz I am sure that these words are the only words of God that never been changed. So at lest you have something to do now and start to pick out new verses that you are not sure of and lets analyze. Of course if you have time
PLEASE CHECK THE LINK (URL) FOR EXPLANATION
MAXIIMILLION---- So as you don't have an education, of an universety, you cant think clearly, and please don't put your idear and reflections, in writing. I thought Kurt Vonnegut is dead, O no their is just one of his underworld figure passing by, writing about math's, in an fight about evil and good spirits, is some stupid on a universety educated everything and anything knower, come to the point, we are in a war for our freedom of thinking, and their have to come an solution, to stop this slowly murgering of our values and sociêty.
I really don
’t know if you are living in our planet or not Ok starting with the lands what can we ever Muslim Build without US destruction, literature I believe you have studied at your school Thousand Nights and One Night, culture wise are far better than other cultures were crime rates are pretty low apart from Iraq of course again with the US involvement also with the Palestine that’s what you hear over the news.
Egypt, Iran, Jordan, India Turkey and many more all these places its like a drop in the ocean with many historical places and museums pilgrims, Taj Mahal, Mountain Architecture and many more I can go on and on. Talking about libraries I admit that the westerners have copied from Al-Gebra, since, bio medical astronomy and human rights to Law again from the muslim culture and have worked and improved it to the best and we as Muslims have done nothing so far that when you see Muslims studying abroad yet we get the top engineers, doctors, teachers & philosophers at you country like NASA, 40% US hospitals and Universities are managed and being run by muslims and still many more to come. Art wise we like hand writings we do it with drawings also we merge it with natural seen apart from the architecture we use it in constructions. Talking about family and social life when u do reach your forties what would you do? Have a dog and walk him around and that
’s it, I leave that for you to check it for yourself and explore about the Muslim culture and families rather asking too many questions that I am happy to answer. Believe me I been traveled many places and seen lots of difference with cultures and life happiness comes only with peace. Are we talking about the stone age were there is honor killing or its just a few cases you picked from here and there?? Maybe you need to visit many countries to find out about woman rights and what Islam rights to woman.
Yeah this is Me and this is what we have ….
If you are from the US didn't you occupied the red Indians and sole their lands??? This is what you are really good at isn't it
… killing and occupying…..were is your lands and where is your history????????
Please no hard feelings
This thread provides such a target rich environment that I need to resort to proper weaponry including a comfortable html editor. I have therefore copied and saved several significant tokens of ignorance & al-taqeyya and will dissect them in a new post at http://snooper.wordpress.com . The title will be Al-Taqeyya.
Boaz, I hoped that, if I posted that bit of Sharia often enough someone would take up the cause and re-use it. I am pleased to see you do so.
9:29 is Allah's command, which Muslims are obligated to obey. That makes it Islamic law. This is the Fatal Fact of Islam which none dare reveal.
If you don't want hard feelings then don't start shit, got it?
The questions asked were legitimate--arabic culture stagnated when islam was brought into the picture, end of story. Not one new thing has been accomplished or invented or devised--except killing in new ways--since islam came into the picture. The only reason there are so many muslim engineers, doctors, etc., is because they're educated outside of the arabic lands, often here in the United States.
We do it all and we do it better. End of story.
As to occupation? Learn the definition--the only land we occupy is what it takes to bury our dead. As has been shown repeatedly, this didn't start under Bush I or II--it started with Iran in 1979--GOT IT? Bush I and II are the only leaders America has had with the cajones to stand up to your shit. Reagan was busy tearing down communism.
I also told people further up in the thread, we're not stupid--we study your hateful, vile, satanic verses and we learn. And we're not buying what you're selling.
We see how you treat women and there is far too much evidence floating around for you to say otherwise and have us believe it. islam gives no rights to women--NONE. We don't believe those lies. We have honor killings here in the United States from people coming from YOUR LANDS. And how about the 17 yo girl sentenced to death for defending herself against rape--and she killed her attacker? Is that women's rights? HUH? Don't think so. Or the one raped and sentenced to 200 lashes. Yeah, those are real women's rights, all right. As is the ritual genital mutilation. Lots of rights your women have. Uh huh.
We don't kill our children like you do. We don't raise them for death and lie the blood libel to them.
And I also stated above, I don't believe in the palestinians--they are simply arabs who want Israel's land. Why? Because Israel has made an oasis out of the rubble they were given. Further, Israel has the land mandate directly from God Himself.
So, don't try your spin here--it won't work, frankly we're tired of the nonsense--either argue intelligently, with facts and research and not the cut and paste crap you posted above. We will edit you and ban you.
Oh--one other thing--I'm way beyond 40 and very well educated. Just because I don't swallow your talking points whole and have a brain to think independently with doesn't mean I'm going to swallow your koolaid.
Got it?
Wow,
This topic took off.... don't even have time to go thru it all.
Jenne, thanks for your response. Hoping for the best of course in Europe and for you. Very aware of history and New Amsterdam Pulling for the Danes, Holland and all of Europe to Wake Up. There needs to be a Wake Up Europe site.
Are your friends talking this over? Organizing for stronger leadership?
Beth,
Agreed, agreed on points of lifting up moderates and Susan's attempts to do so. There are many fronts and ways to win this war of ideas. Not every enemy is an enemy.
Ali,
You're correct about corrupt leaders. Yet when we take them down, like Saddam and Osama the world yells and screams at us.
When Bush threaten Syria's corrupt leader and forced his army out of Lebanon, the world screams at us. Truth is our nation can only liberate one or two nations at a time.
The status quo has been not to interfere since WWII not because we liked the corrupt leaders, but because everyone knew the cost of life, American lives to change it.
Do you seriously think Americans like doing business with these corrupt leaders?
This President has done everything he can and he got shot down in our own country, plus abroad by European leaders. We know it is wrong to continue to allow corrupt leaders to rule. It has led to madness of masses brainwashed by corrupt leaders to kill, murder and destroy.
But our country can only do so much at one time. The Democrats in our nation want to role back the clock and leave it like it was pre- 9/11. Just allow the thugs, tyrants and murderers to stay in power. No nation is perfect. But many American lives have been lost protecting Iraqis, Afghanis in rebuilding new nations upon the Rule of Law.
Also, do not forget that old Soviet Union and now Putin again supports the evil leaders you complain about in Syria, Iran and Sudan. So does China and many European nations look the other way.
When America, one of the few nations stands up against the terrorist nations, very few stand by our side.
Here is an interesting, albeit simple history and some quotes from the Quran...
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyame...te/
mohwar1.html
Mohammed started out as a thief, robbing, murdering and pillaging caravans. These are facts and he never changed in that area.
Katja,
Ah yes, typical elitist, arrogant schmuck, clueless, with nose high in air.
We are debating extremist and terrorist. Only in your warped mind have you have you painted us with racist statements and bigotry againt a whole people.
Most here have said there are many good Muslims. But you ignored that.
A muslim friend apologized to me the day of 9/11. He didn't understand why the radicals did it. What do you think I did Katya???? Do you think I blamed him? Threatened him? Your assumptions expose you for your own soft bigotry thinking we are sinful when you are not. No, I thanked my friend for his concern, his efforts to console me, to say that he did not beleive in such extremist views. We had a good, healthy conversation about many issues.
Pleae go stick your pretentious lectures of righteious indignation up your snotty nose. Take it to Malmo, Sweeden.
Go party with all the girls who've been raped by Muslim gangs...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmi...ives/
003131.php
We are far more informed here about the world than you give us credit. Appeasing terrorist is not what Christ taught us to do as a nation. In fact, no where does it say in Old or New Testaments - bend over and kiss your butt goodbye when terrorist attack your nation. We have every right to defend ourselves, as well as debate openly difficult issues.
But it appears that your Socialist, Sweedish government is certainly bending over. Maybe, just maybe you should read a little more about your own nation instead of partying all the time and accusing us of being "pathetic."
Your snobbish comments, insults and empty minded rhetoric are not anymore intellectual or informed than anyone else here.
Conversation gets heated at times. Get over it, grow up. Christ called people serpents, vipers, and many other names. Try reading the Bible. Especially when false blame is laid at peoples feet. He was not some charming, weak-kneed, apologizing victim. He stood for truth and vehemently argued forthrightly against lies, openly, forcefully and we might add, with physical intentions at times against corrupt leaders.
Who do you think John the Baptist was? Bamby?
Your society is corrupt. Your to blind to see it. You obviously do not read your own papers and are unaware of the tyranny of Muslim gangs in your own country.
15,000 cars burned in France Katja. Is that some small thing to you? What does it take for you to wake up? How many innocents must die around the world? 1400 years of war, torture, slavery, and conquered lands. Sudan, to this day still has slaves and lives under Sharia Law. 2.5 million dead at the hands of Arab Mujihadeen and Sudanese leaders. Wake up Katja.
Today, America is protecting civilians from the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and Iranian backed Shia extremist. Are you aware that 89,000 more children live each year in Afghanistan due to the efforts of American forces???? The only people America killed were the murdering leaders and followers of Saddam and Osama.
Please, take your false righteous snobbery down and get a clue. America today is a force for good in the Middle East, Africa and Asia. Are we perfect? No. Have we made mistakes? Yes.
But at least we do not set on the sidelines while millions die and are oppressed.
The "neutral" Swedes.... Yeah, right...
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pag...l?
itemNo=702431
Stay neutral Katja, don't pick sides. Just keep inviting millions of Muslims in to your country because all religions are equal. Don't even check their background because that is racist!
Sure... you are so much more righteous than us Katja, more "nuanced" in international affairs. We dumb Americans have no experience in how to handle international problems.
Its not like we rebuilt the whole of Europe on the backs of our ancestors, or the 400,000 who died in offing Hitler while your country sold Iron-Ore to the crazy nutjob that murdered 20 million.
Hey... maybe you can sell products to Osama bin Laden, Syria's Assad, and Iranian nutjob. Afterall, your country did business with Hitler, why not keep the traditions of supporitng murderious madmen alive Katja?
Appeasers, liars and enablers of the past. Wake up Katja. Wake up. Your country eventually did at the end after millions died and you realized America and England would win. But oh, don't spare any precious Sweedish blood to defend innocents. No, no. Stay "neutral" Katja, while others die for ya.
Just keep pointing fingers and do nothing. Whine, whine... complain, but don't lift a finger to help.
Curious today who your government does business with on the fly, while you whine from your clouds looking down upon us. There is no country without blood on its hands Katja, either past or present. Sitting out, doing nothing while millions die in Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Somalia, Rwanda, Bangledesh and so many other places does not make of your nation, or your people anything more than appeasers of terror who look away while millions die.
So you go party. Get drunk off your snobbish butt and forget that millions live in fear, oppression and tyranny at the hands of corrupt leaders in Syria, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen and on and on. And everytime you drink, say a toast to all the Muslims who thank you for doing absolutely nothing to set them free!!!
Now, out of fear you complain to us. Grow up. WAKE UP and stop being a fool.
Moe, the prophet for profit was a scam artist and the whole islam thing is a major scam, plain and simple.
Moe, apparently partaking in some satanic ritual involving hallucinogenic narcotics, took the Christian Faith, the Judeo Faith and the Moon God of a pagan faith of the time and came up with Sharia Law to enslave all that he could.
islam is a fraud.
The name "allah" has absolutely ZERO foundation in Arabic.
Amazing the stupidity of people that have no earthly idea of how their "religion" was formulated.
Judas Priest.
No wonder they get pissed off. They have been scammed by a retard named Moe.
What are you tying to say Michael that your religion is far better than mine or mine better than yours, or maybe you have a ranking list of all other religions in the world, you see who are we worshipping at the END!! Isn't it Allah God
" Stay neutral Katja, don't pick sides. Just keep inviting millions of Muslims in to your country because all religions are equal. Don't even check their background because that is racist!"
You see here where you or your kinds cant accept the reality and its there right in your door step but yet you reject it and ignore it, I know truth hurts sometimes but yeah get over it.
There are many people accepting Islam and there is nothing wrong with it you can't change that but let the world passes by and latter you will be forgotten as we humans are just one step away to perish what ever the cause an accident, disease but one thing the religion will stay for life so its better for you to face life in reality not with delusion, and try to look for Christian friends who have many good Muslim friends like Katja how are they getting on rather being narrow minded and look at it from all angles that’s my best advice to you.
The best thing is for the complete eradication of islam from the face of the earth as the satanic worship it is.
Katja is an idiot living in a dream world.
allah is not God--God is God.
Christianity is far better than islam for one simple reason--it preaches love and is a true religion, not a cultic societal ideology preaching violence and hatred, destroying lives. I also laid out very specific issues to your previous attempt at spin before--you have yet to address them, perhaps because you're incapable of doing so under the terms of this blog--research from reliable sources and FACTS.
You get over it and get real. I told you before quit the spin--this makes two warnings. You want to talk to us on this subject then you better start providing reliable sources and research because we know too damn much you don't want us to know. You can start by addressing the facts given to you earlier which you've chosen to ignore. Prove us wrong with facts--or leave this blog.
As promised, my refutation of Fred C's spew of excrement is posted here: http://snooper.wordpress.com/200...0/al-taqeyya-1/
Stick around Ben...there's still a putz or two who thinks we're rank amateurs in this little game and thinks we're going to bend over to kiss their a** because they're mooslim and they're "peaceful" because they say so
I neglected to mention my supplementary documentation for Fitna, which is here:
http://snooper.wordpress.com/200...-documentation/
Awesome Ben--too bad the muslims don't like the mirror being held up to them showing their actions.
islamism - socialism: same-same
One difference though: islamis will cut your head to make their point. socialists will just make you wish you were dead.
MICHAEL? ----I don't know real internet sites, like this in Europe, their is one in the making, Nederland wordt wakker, coming soon. The problem we have, most government people comme from universetys, they are formed all with the same idea, left or right its the same, politics is a job as every other job, and it has by this to do with money and corruption, and power building how they dont give a shit, if you see them to gether in Brussel, its one nice famelie, if somebody fals out the rangs, he is quick buryd alive, to move the people from their chairs before their tv set, you need a miracle. Before we had politicers with a clear mind, or clean mind, with naturel way of looking in an human way and inteligent,you know the simple way sailors and farmers clear up barrages, or problems of every day, wel thats the problem, every citizen knows that soon or a little later this bomb, will explose, it don't works to gether, and their something brewing, for the moment it is popular wit, but it can come to an popular fury, and thats wy they the government try to put the lid on the fire from Geert Wilders, but they have burnd their fingers, I hope if you are an universety figur, that I dit not opset you by this critic, I hate my self if I put people in the same basket, well a slip of my mind, not clear enough, I wish you I nice Sunday, yours
Bear in mind, Miss Beth, what one creature it is that abhors mirrors.
Talking about the Sharia Law its that simple and clear 1+1=2 is it hard to understand if you kill then u will be killed by Sharia Law I believe that you have it in your Bible too "an eye for an eye", ok what if we say you had a car accident and someone past away you would have to pay a blood money (wergild) or face jail if reckless driving and the list goes on we as Muslims dont head people thats what NBC,CNN, SKY,FOX want you to see I know it all so please you cant fool me there. For God sac thats why our crime rates are far lower than any western country at 0.01% please compare this to your statistics.
What crimes have we seen so far is again Iraqis & Palestine simply they can't take the blame because one ideology decided to take over thinking there was a mass destruction I am really sorry for you America spent your money raucously and blind folded mmmmm
Miss Beth I need time for your respond thank you
islamism - socialism: aren't the same, rezone socialism everything and anything belongs to the government were Islam gives the right for individuals to practice their business and hobbies, beside and there are many Sharia Law and Socialism Law conflicts. So to your understanding 1+1= 1
thats very funny Mr. Snooper !!
check the US crime rates 1973-2003 and compare it to any Muslim country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Cri...e_United_States
We are your history folks and please don't deny that
check all these links for now and many more to come I will flood you with Facts and evidence Miss Beth
http://science.slashdot.org/arti...6/03/13/
1255202
www.1001inventions.com.
http://www.heynihao.com/forum/sh...read.php?
tid=67
http://www.raioo.com/discussion/...=scitech&
id=386
thank you
Funny thing about TROLLS... They use any kind of Sick Ideologies formulated and Defecated on them by similiarly SICK minds and all they can do is CUT AND PAST.. BUT Don't really wait for any of these Narcisstic Idiots actually come out with ONE single Syllable of ORIGINALITY since doing so requires FREEDOM TO THINK ON ONE"S OWN Versus having brains FRIED by rethoric like the likes of Pastor WRIGHT ... and believing that LIES are Truth and vice versa...
islam = murder and death.
Screw islam.
Its not right to put all inventions on name of the Arabs, when the Arabs stil boild their th
é on a fire of sheeps dung,afther this, the Arab times started with the onhuman invention from a way of very agresive thinking, by Mohamed.But before this date their excisted all ready thinking and inventing people for about 4000 years, if you see somthing used, and you bring it to your country it is not invented by you only transported, and bringing it to a greater use, its stil very deserving,most of the real good and importend invention, came from the for that time excisting brain trusts citys, where scholars from all kinds of countrys and religions came to gether, like Granada, Toledo, real big citys, lots of people,and before that its to much to handel, what was importend that the Jews from Andalucia, wend every where, they started the universety of Montpelier the first in the south of France, its a pity for humanety that we have all this shit religions, or let we say all this good idea, and scripts who where and are mis used, something I like is that they found out that Runen writing came stread from the contacs with the Phoeniciers, and that the golden plate found in Germany, has graphic pictures, and sign about the sunboot and the planets who are older than this same design in some pyramide in Egypte, and that the Vikings landed 5àà years earlyer on the coast of America, wel they where all human thats the basic thinking behind that, we can real be proud, but on the same moment wel what an stupid kind of creatures we are, building and demolshing, no animal will do that, and becouse of this I have an problem with religions, is it not possible that when we where throwen out of paradis, god did give us religions, to punish mankind.
Max, there is NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING you can show me I guarantee I haven't already seen from TRUE scholars. Anything and everything you THINK you can provide to debunk the truth of your satanic worship has been debunked as the lie it is.
islam=lies=satanism=death
Period. You're a backward people who seek nothing more than death and destruction; when you have no one outside your country to vent your filth on, you turn on your own people, sacrificing your women and children for your bloodlust, while you gay, misogynistic men shriek in pride as you display the severed heads, hands, feet of your victims. You're not OUR history--you are your own history, bent on staying in the 7th century forever while worshipping a man who hated himself, women and anything good. You kill rape victims while holding up the rapists as the honorable ones. You inbreed to the point of insanity. You kill anyone who thinks for themself. All you know is kill, kill, kill.
You are filth of the lowest order for even trying to defend the barbarity that is sharia "law". You have no knowledge of the 21st century except what you've copied. You have no new technology of your own. Your leaders are corrupt dictators more than happy to indulge in rape rooms, torture chambers, feeding people through woodchippers and trying out your current weapons on your own people, gassing them and killing them.
We have the videos smuggled out of your countries. We see what you don't want the world to see. The genie is out of the bottle and it can never be put back in. Too bad we opened that bottle to expose you and your shit to the world.
You are nothing but breeding cockroaches who need to be eradicated from the face of the earth. You leech off the systems of countries you invade, breeding out of control, expecting the largesse of the UK, the Netherlands, Canada, the US to support you while you do your damndest to undermine the very people who have helped you.
Your rage should be directed at yourself for your intellectual laziness, your refusal to see the truth of your propaganda and lies and break out of the self-induced prison you have put yourselves into; instead it's directed outward towards the world in a mandate created by a hallucinatory idiot.
You are thieves who steal land from other nations and other peoples because you've destroyed your own, poisoning the soil so it's barren and creating lies against those people to garner sympathy from your fellow idiots who can't see the truth behind your lies--you want their lands because you're jealous of them, they have accomplished what you SHOULD have accomplished and rather than doing what they did, investing the hard work and sweat they did to create their jewels, you want to steal their land. To that end, there is no limit to the lies you spew, including the blood libel against the Jews.
You lie, cheat and steal and call it good. You kill and call it honorable. And you can't stand it when the mirror is held up to you to show you your actions. You immediately call for the death of the messenger and demand everyone accomodate you.
No more. Never again. There is no end to the contempt I have for you and your kind. Praise allah? FUCK NO. KILL allah for he is EVIL and satan in disguise.
I pray your women rise up and do to you what you have forced upon them for centuries, including the ritual genital mutiliation and beatings, the disfigurement of cutting off noses, ears and plucking out eyes. I pray your children find a way to break the brainwashing you have inflicted upon them, and leave you alone in your despair. I pray the world wakes up to the insidiousness of the serpent within and crushes the serpent's head under the heels of the women.
May dogs and pigs feast on your filty carcasses; shit you out as the offal you are and be honored for doing so.
Give it up. Third warning.
"islamism - socialism: aren't the same, rezone socialism everything and anything belongs to the government were Islam gives the right for individuals to practice their business and hobbies, beside and there are many Sharia Law and Socialism Law conflicts. So to your understanding 1+1= 1
thats very funny Mr. Snooper !!
check the US crime rates 1973-2003 and compare it to any Muslim country"
Max,
"Islam gives the right for individuals to practice their business and hobbies"
What!?! Are you that insane? How do you expain the fact that kite flying was banned in Afghanistan by the Islamist leaders? What about in Saudi Arabia where woman can't drive a fucking car or work in certain jobs? What about the gays that get hung? What about the fact that Afghani girls were not allowed to attend school?
Take your rabid political movement and shove it! Yes, you read that right! Islam is not a religion, its a poltical movement!
Right on Robert. And yes, through their inbreeding, they truly are that insane--and they're insane enough to think we buy their shit because they say so.
Why keep up with WARNINGS?? Just Eradicate the TROLL!
You were warned to stop your spin and answer facts with facts. You refused.
Islam is not peace--END OF STORY. There are more leaving islam than are joining it and if it's so peaceful then why the fear of the converts baptized at Easter for the fatwas against them for leaving islam?
Facts with Facts, legitimate research or I'll keep editing you.
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peacefulness? You have got to be on something! Look, no one claims that some Muslims, a vast majority CHOOSE to practice their religion peacefully, but never attempt to declare the religion itself and the words of Koran promote peacefulness.
Take a look at the amounts of terroist attacks committed in the name of Islam extremism have been committed since 1990;
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree....-
terrorism.html
The portions highlighted in red are Islamic terrorism.
Quit spinning max, you are trying my patience as well as my readers patience.
Well said.. but let's see THE FACTS...
MAX-----Look to the Islam schools, its only indoctrination, and people who speak from peaceful religion, look here its more a butchershop, is that your idea, I can not understand this, an normal educated man, has not more brains as a bean, only one question people who use mentaly ill woman, pack them up with explosives, and than blow them op with remote control, to hurt children and woman, go an fight, but not this sick making terror, and I am sure that the whole of the Islam will pay one day for this.
They will Jenne, they will for God will not be put off in His punishment for the abomination claiming to be from Him, particularly in their destruction of children and their enslavement of those who believe differently.
OT--Pete Hegeseth from VFF is on CP's radio show right now:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/cyb...ght-Thing-
Radio
robert
"kite flying was banned in Afghanistan , Saudi Arabia where woman can't drive cars, gays that get hung, girls can't go to schools in Afgan..............." .....................................the thing u don't understand Islam has no involvement again if all these individual share the same religion doesn't mean that Islam is the target these are individual acts Islam dose not say band kits, women can't drive cars or go schools, and gay killings.
There are many Muslim counties were women drive their own cars girls go to schools flying kites in all of these counties Egypt, Bahrain, Kuwait, Yemen, Lebanon, Lebia, and the list goes on and on.
You have just proved yourself the weakest link and that you have no understanding of Islam and you have no idea what you are getting yourself into..!
Jenne
Me personally I don
’t support ideologies and extremist, I am 1000% against it and don’t recommend women and men exploding or anything relevant to it.
If there is a protest against terrorist and extremist I would be the first person would support you and stand by you.
But one thing we should definite and bare in mind there is an individual acts a on the other hand there is Islam speaking as a Muslim it seems few of you don’t get the picture.
No Max, you are the weakest link--islam is not a religion it is a satanic societal ideology that demands total adherence. We're the ones who DO get it, you're the brain dead one too weak to think for yourself while practicing this abomination.
Keep waiting for those facts and research Max--where are they? Can't find them, can you, because they don't exist, do they? Otherwise I'm sure you would have provided them by now.
Yeah--we do know what we're in for and that's why we fight islam at every opportunity. And the ignorance that goes with it. If you're not fighting the problem yourself, you are part of the problem.
You have just proved yourself the weakest link and that you have no understanding of Islam and you have no idea what you are getting yourself into..!
Max,
I know and understand Islam very well! Your threats do not scare me! Come and visit me in the Great Smoky Mountains of NC and I will show you how we handle throwbacks like yourself!
LOCKED AND LOADED AND WAITING!!!
Robert, when he shows up, make sure you bunk him with the pigs and the dogs, of course making a feast for the pigs and dogs out of his ritually mutilated genitalia, his eyes, ears, nose and removed hands and feet, as they do to their women and those who disagree with their satanic cult. Make sure his eyes are the last to go so he can see the pigs and dogs feasting, so he knows for sure his cult is nothing but feed for animals. Oh, and make sure it's the women defiling him with the men looking on and laughing at him, as his culture does to women. Let him "feel" the "equality" granted to women under his cult.
Miss Beth, ROTFLMAO!!!
My 5.56 rounds are coated with pig urine as well as my BMG-50 50cal. rounds.
I am about out of dog food so I hope he arrives very soon!
COOL Robert--and I was just thinking the perfect female to perform the festivities would be a Jewish female who's been so sorely discriminated against and defiled by the islamic vermin--I happen to have a few Jewish nieces....(and my brother is a US Naval Vet)
Once again, this is someone attempting to sound as if they are a relatively peaceful muslim just going about their everyday lives, with no real knowledge of what's in the koran. Again, those who truly are peaceful and moderate and DO speak up face fatwas. This one is by no means one of those who risks his or her life to speak up and speak out. This one is a fake, thinking in his arrogance we're too stupid to tell the difference. In his further arrogance, he thinks we've never encountered those of his ilk before either, and so simply his dictating to us should suffice. He is wrong. I personally eat these cretins up and spit them out regularly--they're good fiber and that's about all. My contempt for those of his ilk knows no boundaries at all.
Al-Taqeyya #1 has not been viewed. Evidently the Muslims know it all and don't need to see the evidence.
I posted the full text of the relevant ayat, relevant quotes from and links to Ibn Kathir's Tafsir and relevant portions of Fiqh & hadith. There is no possibility of refuting the easily verifiable facts. They won't even make an attempt.
Bu-Bye
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You are now banned.
Thanks Ben--and let me thank you again for the wonderful research and education you give us in this area so we are better prepared for the spin of these people.
Islam has nothing to do with the religion. It is not believing in the God. It is a cult of Mohamed. Unless the civilized countries will deal with Islam as the cult and not religion, those countries are doom to perish. There could not be understanding with people which live with their ideology in the seven century. They can not understand us and we are not going to understand them. I believe the day the Muslims get the hand on the atomic weapon, they will certainly use it.
I am still waiting for Max to arrive....my dog is starving!
I'm sure Max has some friends he's going to bring with him--your dogs should have lots of food for a good long time Robert!
Jerry, you are absolutely correct in your assessment--you have put your finger right at the heart of the problem with Iran and stated so eloquently what we have been trying to state regarding the danger of Iran having nukes. We're still not sure about Pakistan and that's why we're keeping such a close eye on it.
Oh where, Oh where did Max go!?! Oh! thats right, you were banned! bwwwaaa
According to the Koran
Israel belongs to the Jews...
Mohammed, the Koran Sura 5.23-24
"When Moses said to his people, 'O my people, remember the favour of God towards you when He made amongst you prophets, and made for you kings, and has given to you that which has given to no other nation. Enter, my people, the Holy Land which God has assigned to you. Do not turn back, and thus lose all. They said, 'O Moses, verily, therein is a people, giants; and we will surely not enter therein until they go out from thence; but if they go out then we will enter in.' Then said two men of those who fear,- God had been gracious to them both,- 'Enter ye upon them by the door, and when ye have entered it, verily, ye shall be victorious; and upon God do ye rely if ye be believers.'"
According to Moe, the whole damn world belongs to him. Its in the hadith.
Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 392:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
MAX,------ come back and defend and discus, your points, I hate people who generalize, but sometimes I do it my self, we have to come to gether if we will live together, I have an old friend, he is an Kabyl from north Africa, and an Moslim, but he is stopped to go to the moskee, he is very human, with the old habit of preaching, but he sayd to me that, for him its preaching to his god, and he condems all they hate crimes thaths done every day, but he sayd all so that if you condem this in public, you risc big problems, by some stupid on educated people, who don't look farther as their nose, and he thinks its the mass of not educated who are used by some very bad people, for their own powerplay, and I think he is right, educated people learn to relativitely problems in their live, and don't take every subject as a sugar loaf, maby we can with a collective consulthing and discusions come closer, maby and I hope so, we Dutch humanists protestand people can blow our idea up, out of proporsion, but in our harts we like peace as evey human, and thats wath Wilders is looking for as wel, by challenge your opponent, maby he comes to discus things, and thats the only solution, if we will try to come closer to gether, if not it will be war sooner or lather.
We ahve WAYYY too Many ISLAMOS on here... LOCk and Load, time to send some to " happy Serraglio"...
Jenne, Max can't come back--he's been banned because he refused to discuss the issues and did nothing but spin and name call. He was asked several times by me and others to address the issues directly and he refused to do so.
Jihadi trolls. Go figure.
Finish the sentence Snooper--"The best jihadi is..."
Did Max really go out for PORK Chops and BEER???
BANNED means banned. When Beth bans you and you come back, that just makes me set the ban to the whole range...until you are capable of staying on topic..you will be gone--Spree
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Hello, MISS BETH, I allways like to finish polite, and I think every man must have a last change, but our problem is indeed very big, and maby is it not possible to bring this world problem to a good end, maby their will be an war on the end, lots of good willing people try with goodness and human deeds, to push them in an other direction, but their are real big religieuse powers working, its real nazie thinking what is playing here,wel we will see wat the future brings, I wish you well, and good evening.
Jeene, you are correct the problems are large and certainly aren't going to be solved in a comment thread. Those with open eyes see a future they don't necessarily like with this problem and it's pretty frightening.
Have a good evening yourself!
Whoops, sorry, I meant Jenne!
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Miss Beth does not need to prove anything, MAX!
The proof concerning Moe's Goddamn Murder Cult has been explicitly documented already, in the Myth vs Fact series on her blog and in my numerous posts at http://snooper.wordpress.com
Max,
You have just proved yourself the weakest link and that you have no understanding of Islam and you have no idea what you are getting yourself into..!
ROFLMAO........I am still Waiting! My dogs are starving!!!
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Oh but it is Max.......you were told to discuss issues, repeatedly--you have yet to do so. If you can't do that then you have no place here on the board--end of story. Don't like it? Tough.
Max has an ever changing IP, so he keeps bypassing bans. All future comments by him will be deleted automatically without being read. Banned means banned.
RIGHT ON SUSAN.. Carry ON... Slam the troll undeer the desk permanently!
I am a historian. I read your posts pals and I have only one comment: look - every religion (among these 'book" religions)has its way of progress. Christianity in the middle ages had got a period of the religoius wars. I think That Islam has got such a period now. Started in 622 AD. Now for them is about 1300 AD - 2008-622 =?
about 1300 AD in Old Europe were: anti cathars crusade, a centennial war, innqusition, witch huntings and so on
Kommen poland.. If I read your post corectly, you do a justifyable historical post and we , yes even in America, are well aware of historical facts that have taken place on the European Continent and since Before and after the Fall of the Byzantine Roman empire.. what I cannot find in your post is wheter or not you justiofy 21 st Century Terrorist attacks based on 600-1200 AD ideaology. Do you, as an Historian, have no faith that Human development should progress so as to use the power of REASON and Individual Goals to overcome Century old Misconceptions, and a policy of destruction by a few extreme radicals mistakes and not regress HUmanity to the Pre Magoon Era?????
I don't understand why islam people all over the world protesting and demonstrating to banned this movie? Why are they so worried about every scenes that have already been reality. This film is not maked, it is the fact that maybe for some of us even hard to believe that it is the truth. This is Islam and they have been mirorring them selves naked and are very ashamed knowing that the way they live are truly barbarian, demonic and out of healthy mind. Never believe islam people, look nice outside but already brainwashed inside. It's already in their blood, live in it and growing hatred to unbelievers. All they want is just pursued "the kafir" to follow islam way of live which they always place at the top of their brain. Even dog can be taught but they are not human not even animal. It's demon, plaque that we should take precautions. Be carefull!!!!!!!!!!!!!
redhawk
Weren't I sarcastic enough?
I am rather pesimistic - basically on my knowledge.
Yes, we do as a human race some progress but it works such a way: two steps forward - one nad half backward.
I am not justifying any kind of terrorism. Personally I think that the only way to talk to their minds is to kill them all.
Live all my life in the part of teh world where we know how human reason is weak. Moreover in Eastern Europe we were in opresssion of political system that used "reason" and 'progress' as a tool to captive people's minds and take their freedom.
We cannot discuss on the same level with people who don't believe in free will, democracy, law, free mind, freedom of speech and thinking.
I read "their" articles on site www.planetislam.com and for me is clear that what we mean as a idea of "dialogue" for them is naive.
isalm as a religion now is in its "middle ages" and we cannot changed such situation.
I think that we , in Europe, should dispose from our countries all islamic immigarnts who don't repect our laws and values nad don't want to assmiliate.No place for shariyat laws, "shaem killings", fatwah, burkhas and other craps.
No tolerance for intolerant people.
We should terat them exactly as they treat us.
Right?
komnen poland...
I REALLY did miss your Sarcasm.. My apology.
Based on the part of Europe you live in and its History It left me Surprised to misunderstand your Post... THANKS for Correcting me and confirming my fath in free people!
YES.. WE FREE PEOPLE NEED TO STOP THESE FASCISTS EVERY WHERE!!!!
I may be visiting your Country sometimes along with Hungary so as to see the changes made there under freedom!!!
Cheers!
Here are a few questions for those shouting against freedom of expression in this country:
1. What were their parents running from when they migrated to this country?
2. What were they seeking in this country?
3. Having found what they sought, should it lie with their progeny to abuse the host country which has made them what they are?
4. Do only Muslims have the right to feel hurt? They are making so much noise about the film Fitna today. Earlier, they did so about the cartoons. Yet, they remained silent when:
i. Their co-religionists blew up with canons the Buddha images in Bamiyan in Afghanistan.
ii. They destroyed temples in Bangladesh and are hounding Taslima Nasreen for writing about it in her book ‘Lajja’. She is in hiding in India.
iii. At Riyadh airport if a traveller is found with a scripture or religious icon other than Islamic, it is crushed underfoot by the checking officer. They can try it any day.
5. Do they care about hurt caused to others when they routinely call others’ faith as false?
The fact remains that Islam is the most violent and intolerant faith. They have destroyed Jewish temples, Hindu temples, Buddhist temples, Zoroastrian temples and have converted churches into mosques. They have always come as seekers and then abused the hospitality of their hosts.
All Muslim majority countries are declared Islamic. I am sure they would be very upset if some other country declared itself Christian or Hindu country merely because that is the majority religion.
The Quran prescribes death penalty for apostasy. Islam comprises people whose forefathers were Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Buddhists or Hindus. How would Muslims feel if other religions also prescribed death for conversion to Islam?
Islam is so bigotted that under Islamic law, non-Muslims have to pay a special tax called jazia. Would they be happy if they are made to pay a similar tax in non-Islamic countries?
In many Islamic countries, people of other faiths are not allowed to cremate the dead according to the practice of those faiths. How would Muslims feel if in other countries Muslims are compelled to follow the rites of other faiths.
Islam talks of universal brotherhood. Yet, the most horrible wars have been fought between Shias and Sunnis. Every religion has learned to live in peace with other sects. But look at the sectarian strife in Iraq. Look at the atrocities committed on Bahais, Ahamadias and Sufis in Islamic countries. Look at what their preceptor says in Quran - that the Arabs are the best among humans, that the Sauds are the best among Arabs and that the House of Quraish (to which he himself belonged) is the best among Sauds. Where is universal brotherhood in all this?
A faith, which in the absence of any sound pilosophy, drives its adherents to suicidal missions with the promise of sex with dozens of virgins in the afterlife, needs serious reappraisal. I have not been able to ascertain if Jihadi women are promised any similar reward.
It is time all non-Islamic countries dissolve the fetters of political correctness and take the trouble makers the only way they understand - head on.
this is not the real face of islam....these people are not the real muslims...
u dnt know anything about the truth of islam...GOD sent Mohammed to spread the light and mercy between people,God our creator choose Mohammed to be the last prophit..and gave him the the miracle of quran...
Quran says the truth about human being..says how the devil wants the war to be continued all over the earth...the real islam respects all the reilgions and all the prophits cause they all are from one source...from God...
we have one God..the quran said that we must all live with peace...and take care from those who want the war and killing destroy our message in life..
TRY TO LEARN ABOUT WHO IS THE REAL Mohammed....away from these lies....
Remember we all in the earth the creation of God... we must live in peace...
Rasha Mahdi
Egyptian muslim female caricaturist
www.rashamahdi.com
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Just went and visited Rasha Mahdi's website!
I do not see Christians or Jews rioting and murdering over your anti-American, anti-Israel cartoons.
We would love to live in peace! When your 'sick' brothers and sisters stop strapping bombs to their bodies and murdering innocent peoples, maybe there will be peace!
Mohammed was nothing but a murdering pedophile! Islam is nothing more than a murderous political movement!
PISS ON ALLAH!!!
Tell 'em Robert! You go guy!
Islam, Religion of Peace!?!
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Keep 'em coming Robert--NEVER let up on these apologists trying to snow us with their propaganda!
Robert, et al...to the Muzzies, a non-Muzzie is not innocent. A non-Muzzie is a target.
Period.
http://www.anewtone.com/2008/04/...ound-
world.html
Well said Snooper, SO WHY IS IT SO HARD for Idealistic Narcists to Understand? Is it that Simple facts Boggle their minds???
It is because, redhawk, they lack brains, so they substitute ischemic anal varacosities, which ain't a suitable substitute.
The minority who have and use brains can read Ibn Kathir's Tafsir of 5:33 and understand its true meaning: if you don't believe in Allah, you are guilty, not innocent, and its open season on you.
Most of European Muslims have either not read Quran or have read selectively only what their priests tell them to read. If they read whole of it, they would find repeated repugnance. In this book, women are treated as subservient, objects whose sole purpose is to "fulfil every desire of their husband". This is the basic theme which attracts men to this demonic, polygamous cult. Most of the men have a hidden desire; how to dominate the woman. Islam promises fulfilment of this desire. They are allowed to raid other communities, kill men and apportion women among themselves. Even their preceptor used to get the choicest women after every raid. Even in the afterlife, a Muslim is promised virgins. There is no such reward waiting for Muslim women in this world or in the afterlife.
Well said Bumi, and absolutely correct.
Like in any Religion, nation, Group or Party... The % of MORONS is Usually Small but it is the one most Dangerous.. With the Exception of our Congress where the Dangeroulsy Insane Morons Outnumber the GOOD ONes!!!
Millions and millions are quiting Islam every year; in Africa 16,000 leave Islam everyday, according to Faithfreedom.org.
http://faithfreedom.org/oped/sin...d/
sina31103.htm
For Muslims reading this, be brave! You also can leave Islam. Be a brave apostate!
http://www.apostatesofislam.com/
Youtube & Google Video have put 'Fitna' up. See the link at the bottom.
GO Mr. Wilders! Great job! Short and to the point, very powerful!
It will be interesting to see how many Dhimmi politicians will watch this. Eventually, most probably will.
SPREAD THE WORD to the world everyone!
All real freedom starts with freedom of speech. If there is no freedom of speech, then there can be no real freedom.
The Christians and Jews don
’t riot when somebody makes fun of Christ or Jews. People must learn to be civilized. Rioting MUST not be tolerated.
That
’ll be great if there’s not much rioting, how very mature that would be. Geert Wilders is a hero spreading the painful truth. He MUST be protected!
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
weak and insecure is BEST
the best way for religion
KILL those who question it
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe wants
Islam for everyone
submit to glorious life
slavery and servitude
.
absurd thought -
God of the Universe says
outlaw self-defense
exposing violent crimes
shall be deemed hate speech
.
http://www.themoviefitna.com/?p=52
http://absurdthoughtsaboutgod.bl...a-be-
shown.html
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://haltterrorism.com/
.
USpace has it pretty well pegged, but Fitna merely scratched the surface and the real absurdity is the concept of one culture being divinely appointed to punish the rest.
Who can read 8:60-67 without being outraged?
People you just have no idea about what Islam is... but soon or later you will meet the truth !!!
Have someone of you ever read ´the Quran ?
Try to read it as if it was a normal book, and you
´ll understand why 1.7 billion people believe in it, and you´ll undertand those scientists who converted, and why the Pope kissed the Holy Quran...
The Quran is just fenomenal !
in that little book there
´s the whole human story from the begining till the end, and all the science, evolution of the world, the space, animals, insects, there´s things that has no explanations...
people go to a mosque and ask for a Quran it
´s for free ( Not like the holy bible 39euros ).
peace and love
Oh puh-leeze! We are very well educated in the "beauty" of the "violence" of the koran, how it advocates mutilation, jihad, war at all costs, world domination, intolerance of any other belief system.
Yeah, we're well acquainted with your "truth" and the brainwashing of the followers--those who either don't care to read the filth in your so-called "holy book", don't care to educate themselves in the agenda of your societal ideology (it is certainly NOT a true religion) and therefore follow like lemmings over a cliff, the extreme human rights violations decreed in it, the dishonor of women, and on and on.
Yeah, we know what's in the fiilth you call a holy book. All too well--we saw it in action 9/11 and we've seen it in action since at least 1983, at least against us. We see the numbers on our tickers go up daily on terror attacks around the world in the name of the false god allah--ad nauseum
Yep, we know what's in it. Don't try to spin us.
No Miss Beth, 9/11 is not the image of the Quran... 9/11 was made by crazy people or let´s call them extremist.
talking about Islam all the time and standing in front of the computer criticizing muslims... why dont you go and find the real truth by yourself ?
all what you see on TV and internet 80% of it are lies, what we should do is stop believe TVs and PCs, they are made by Humans...
if i was you, i would have started reading the Quran or Torad ( Jewish Holy book) , just to find out the truth.
have a look at this woman, she
´s American just like you. she converted after reading it.
http://www.dailymotion.com/relat...e-a-
lislam_life
You obviously haven't been to my site--and yes, 9/11 was the work of muslims who followed the koran. There is no such thing as extremist--the whole societal ideology is "extremist"--otherwise there would be many, many "moderates" stepping up to the plate to disavow what is going on. There aren't. Nor is it possible to re-write the koran without all the violence and have it remain a "holy book".
There is no way in HELL I would convert to a satanic belief system as islam over my Christianity. Not a chance in hell.
You simply don't know the hours of study and research put in by my guest posters who have shared their knowledge with the rest of us. Before you make assumptions, maybe you should visit home pages and see all the education contained therein.
The real lie is it's allegedly peaceful, loving and not at all violent. The real lie is it's a religion. It's none of the above and nothing you can say will prove otherwise to me. I've seen, read and learned too much to have that lie forced on me.
but you still didnt answered my simple question !!
did you read the Quran ?
yes
where did you get it ?
What does it matter where I got it? I answered your question(s) now you start defending your premise against what's been learned and exposed. I'm not the one making ridiculous assertions here, you are--trying to snow us with the same song and dance and if we only knew bullshit.
Put up or shut up. Got it?
Ok let´s say you did read the Quran !
How did you explained the Miracles in the Quran ? and the science advances ?
answer me !
Do NOT presume I am one of your downtrodden beaten women who submits to male superiority. Make that ALLEGED male superiority. You WILL address me properly or you will NOT get any answers, do you understand? In fact, if you continue in your disrespectful tones toward me, I WILL ban you. I don't tolerate that kind of nonsense, ever. Nor does Susan or any other true woman who isn't enslaved by false doctrines. Got it?
I have never seen any verifiable miracles in the koran, nor any scientific advances that weren't claimed by prior civilizations. Period. That's how I explain them.
if you did read the Quran i will remind you one of the science advances it has in the Quran :
He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress. (Quran, 55:19-20
He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition. (Quran, 25:53)
Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity, and density.1 For example, Mediterranean sea water is warm, saline, and less dense, compared to Atlantic ocean water. When Mediterranean sea water enters the Atlantic over the Gibraltar sill, it moves several hundred kilometers into the Atlantic at a depth of about 1000 meters with its own warm, saline, and less dense characteristics.
Answer me Miss Beth, isn
´t that magicale? how did Mohamed know that 14 centuries ago ?
The Egyptians discovered that long ago. Not a muslim discovery, so no, not magical at all. Moe learned it from the Egyptians. In fact, any sea-faring people knew that, whether it be the Egyptians with the Nile or the Greeks in their explorations. Nothing new, just rehashing what had been stored and taught at the Alexandrian library which was destroyed, the last such destruction occuring by muslims in 642. You can't claim knowledge previously known to sea-faring peoples and such knowledge destroyed by you.
Egyptians ? haha :D so funny !
This information has been discovered only recently, using advanced equipment to measure temperature, salinity, density, oxygen dissolubility, etc. The human eye cannot see the difference between the two seas that meet, rather the two seas appear to us as one homogeneous sea. Likewise, the human eye cannot see the division of water in estuaries into the three kinds: fresh water, salt water, and the partition (zone of separation).
Added this on your head Miss Beth !
And, i am not being unrespectful to you, you were the one who told me " Put up Or Shut up ". that´s not respectful.
Maybe written recently but known long before. Any civilization utilizing the sea for their livlihood would have known such information, although they may not have written it down as such. However, since the library of Alexandria was last destroyed by muslims in 642, you can't honestly say it's a new discovery predicted by Moe. Your own people destroyed the previous knowledge.
Telling me to "ANSWER ME!" is entirely disrespectful--not even my father dared order me about in such a fashion. Don't presume to take autocracy where my father wouldn't even dare.
And, by the way, a miracle is something that can't be adequately explained by science. You have yet to show me a verifiable miracle in your "holy book". Whereas, of course, archeology is supporting the Bible on a daily basis, not to mention the veritable slew of miracles in the Christian faith, as well as the Judaic beliefs.
Im sorry for saying " answer me ", i didnt mean to be disrespectful.
Anyways, i have lot
´s of Miracles in this book that it will take us years to show them all. but i can show you some of them that they were not discovered by Egyptian or chineese or whatever !!
God said in the qurran :
We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqah (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqah into a mudghah (chewed substance)(Quran, 23:12-14)
explaination :
Literally, the Arabic word alaqah has three meanings: leech, suspended thing, and blood clot.
In comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaqah stage, we find similarity between the two . Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech, which feeds on the blood of others.
The second meaning of the word alaqah is “suspended thing.” This is what, the suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother.
The third meaning of the word alaqah is “blood clot.” We find that the external appearance of the embryo and its sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amounts of blood present in the embryo during this stage. Also during this stage, the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week.5 Thus, the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.
So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.
The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means “chewed substance.” If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage acquires the appearance of a chewed substance. This is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teethmarks in a chewed substance.
How could Muhammad have possibly known all this 1400 years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells (spermatozoa) using an improved microscope in 1677 (more than 1000 years after Muhammad ). They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature preformed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract.
Professor Emeritus Keith L. Moore8 is one of the world
’s most prominent scientists in the fields of anatomy and embryology and is the author of the book entitled The Developing Human, which has been translated into eight languages. This book is a scientific reference work and was chosen by a special committee in the United States as the best book authored by one person. Dr. Keith Moore is Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Cell Biology at the University of Toronto, Toronto, Canada. There, he was Associate Dean of Basic Sciences at the Faculty of Medicine and for 8 years was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy. In 1984, he received the most distinguished award presented in the field of anatomy in Canada, the J.C.B. Grant Award from the Canadian Association of Anatomists. He has directed many international associations, such as the Canadian and American Association of Anatomists and the Council of the Union of Biological Sciences.
In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Professor Moore said: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Quran about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of God.
DO you want more ?
That's not a miracle--I gave you the accepted definition of miracle.
While those are accurate descriptions of various stages of a child, they could have been observed after slaughtering mothers and not having the proper scientific terminology at that time.
That's how moe could have known--and we;ve seen repeatedly how sacred women are in the muslim society, from beheaded 7 year old girls to executions of nursing mothers.
Haha
even if you slaughter a woman , this thing you can
´t observe it by human eye. you need advanced microscops
Mohamed discovered that 14 centuries ago when they had no microscopes, and he knew all the excact steps... plus mohamed was unalphabet. he could even read or write !
Kheit Moore converted in Islam after when he was chocked, he saw all his 40 years of studies about embryo in a verse in a book that existed 14 centuries.
Word/ Meaning Mentioned in the Quran
Al-bahar : Sea 32
Al-bar : Land 13
If we add up the total words of both "sea" and "land" we get 45. Now if we do a simple calculation:
32/45 X 100% = 71.11111111%
13/45 X 100% = 28.88888888%
Above is what we know today,the scientist just discovered the percentages of Water (Sea) and Land in the world. Yet another miracle in the Quran.
these are just 2 or 3 miracles, the coran has thousands of miracles !!!
things that has no explanation !!
it´s obvious, Mohammed is the messenger of god !
why you people dodge the truth ???
it´s in front of your eyes !
go and get yourslef a book of human truth it´s called the Quran !
peace
Actually, you can see these things with the naked eye as the ovum is the only cell big enough to be seen with the naked eye--so yes, after fertilization, these things would be visible to the naked eye and after slaughtering a woman.
And, again, they are not miracles. A miracle is something that cannot be scientifically proven.
Further, a messenger of God does not promote violence, pedophilia or misogyny. You have proven nothing.
Further, looking at the two books side by side, we see the Bible offers a covenant of hope, peace and love. The legacy of the koran is devastation, terror and violence. It is obvious which book is the true holy book and which is the false, based on the legacy over the years. The Bible is the true Book of God; not the koran.
And, once again, "miracles" which are later explained by scientific knowledge aren't "miracles"--explain the dancing of the sun and the Virgin birth--those are miracles and are well documented, yet not explained. Not to mention the many, many bleeding statues, uncorrupted bodies of the Saints, etc.
I have read the pathetic Kookran several times and there are ZERO miracles in it unless one is under the influence of LSD or just plain stupid.
Also, when an idiot such as "Mehdi" resorts to cut and paste ITS pathetic thoughts, it reveals a troll that has zero thoughts of its own.
Buzz off Jihadi troll scum.
Mehdi... take your Qur'an and shove it.
The only ones dodging the truth are the blind apologists and the purveyors of deception.
Muhammad is no messenger of God, he is the messenger of Allah, a pagan god converted to deity status by a murdering pedophile, aka Muhammad.
Muslim propagandists are nowadays making extraordinary efforts to change the image of Islam by reintroducing it to the Western society as a religion that calls for peace and rejects violence.
One of the new theories that they are trying to sell is that the name of their religion Islam implies the meaning of Peace, which in Arabic is Salam. The grounds for their theory is that both words are derived from the same root in the Arabic language!
Read the rest; http://www.answering-islam.org/
H...salamislam.html
The word Islam means submit not peace; http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-...ot-
peaceful.htm
"There is no Militant Islam or Moderate Islam . Islam is Islam and its dangerous for all. See; http://www.danielpipes.org/comme.../comments/
64956
Show me a moderate Muslim and I'll show you a person who is in constant conflict with their own faith.
There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. They all read from the same damnable, vile book..the Qur'an.
Read this; http://dotherightthing-cyberpast...islam-
isnt.html
And this; http://dotherightthing-cyberpast...te-
muslims.html
And this; http://dotherightthing-cyberpast...te-
muslims.html
And best of all, this one; http://dotherightthing-cyberpast...of-
dhimmis.html
Read them all and then try to convince me there are moderate Muslims and that Islam means peace.
If that doesn't work for ya try studying Islam, the Qur'an, and Muslims in their own words for several years like I have. Read it from the experts...you don't have to believe me.
What the hell do I know...
You know more than that idiot jihadi troll mehdi
Yeah, the Koran is full of verifiable scientific facts, without exception, including this gem of divine wisdom:
18:86. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allh) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness. That is the Hilali & Khan translation; others may be viewed here:
http://qb.gomen.org/QuranBrowser...chstring=018:
86
Yes, Moe, Allah's greatest & final Prophet received exact and detailed knowledge from Allah, including the origin of seminal fluid:
86:5. So let man see from what he is created!
86:6. He is created from a water gushing forth
86:7. Proceeding from between the back-bone and the ribs,
http://qb.gomen.org/QuranBrowser...rchstring=089:
6
That proves everything else in the book of damnation came directly from Allah, including the situational scripture designed to give divine sanction to every Goddamn thing Moe wanted to do. I ('A'isha.) said: It seems to me that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desire.
Sahih Muslim 8.3453
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/
fund...t.html#008.3453
Need any more humiliation, Cretin?
This film should point at fundamentalism and not Koran. The heart of fundamentalism is throbbing in Tehran. All this started happening since the 1979 revolution in Iran. Ever since Ayatollah Khomeini took office and Islamic Republic established in Iran 120,000 people were executed in Iran alone. 468 terrorist action round world took place sponsored by the Iranian government.
Are you out of your mind? The world would be much, much, much better with out of Islam.
These Arabs invaded Iran and killed thousand of Iranian, 110,000 only in city of Nahavand. Stolen every thing these people had and sold their kids in the market and raped their woman. Make them to talk Arabic and forced them to name their kid Arabic name. They had no moral and decency at all coming from an barbarian societies.
Human been need brain and not these none sense and stupid Quran that has nothing good to offer. How could God send a man as a prophet that he was himself a sex maniac and a child molester? I have left Islam and I am much better now that I find out the truth. Do you think God would tell his Prophet that any body who did not accept Islam Kill him? The hell with that kind of God and the hell with Allah.
Do you know that if you leave Islam they call you “Mortad” and it is duty of any Moslem to kill you. I am hopping some day all Iranian weak up and destroy Quran and Islam all together. You Show me one Islamic country that is well off and create an Aspirin and did any thing to help human been. Look at Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan, Saudis, Egyptian, Jordan, Libya, Turkey, and more, They all using western technology and medicine to leave better and raise hell against western people. Can you imagine if there was no oil in Middle East what would happen, They would eat each other live.
Open your eyes and think, if western countries would not invent the Airplane, Telephone, Television, Automobile, and above all medicine for all these diseases, all Moslem would die.
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