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I'd like to say "unbelievable". I'd like to.
Look, I'm not excusing people of breaking the law and they will probably be caught now that the FBI and secret service are investigating. That having been said, Palin needs to take some responsibility for this too. She is a public figure with a huge target on her forehead just like the Dems are. Conducting state business or even political stuff on a large email provider like yahoo.com is not smart. Look for the McCain camp to play the victim card on this one. Oh and just a reminder, nothing on the internet is private!
Disgusting! It is not her fault! We should be able to do things without having to worry about people breaking the law! The people calling her daughter are the worst!
While Bush bashing isn't allowed, and I'll abide by that; by the same token, bashing Obama for this should equally not be tolerated. I'm sure the Reps will still find some way to blame Obama for this. Bottom line, avoiding full disclosure laws of government (state or federal) emails by subpoena, by using Yahoo seems kind of dumb now huh? In order for the public to gain more trust in their government we need more transparency and this is not the way to do it.
Sorry Nicole I disagree, she does deserve some blame for this. If she used her own Alaska State Government email, which likely has much better security, for state business and political communication, then she might not be in the same mess. In other words, by trying to avoid emails from being supoenaed, she resorted to a public email server. I can speak from experience, yahoo.com isn't that safe from being hacked.
Critics of Palin's secretive activities were being discussed and written about in the Alaskan media months before Palin was chosen by McCain as his running mate. The fact that Palin was using a private email account to send emails on government business, affairs and activities is not exactly a secret in Alaksa.
Now, we'll probably hear from the McCain campaign how this was a plot by Obama. Ridiculous. And, by the way, evidence regarding the troopergate scandal has been distroyed.
Mike, first off, the email that was hacked was her PRIVATE email, not her business email, which has exactly ZIP to do with business and everything to do with scumbags simply trying to hurt her. Maybe not the group that did the hacking, but the scum that has been reproducing information they knew was obtained illegally.
Mike, also, Obama is NOT the Presidentt of the United States of America, so your comparison is simply invaild.
To Gen AND Mike... since none of the information shown, showed ANY misconduct or incriminating emails from her PRIVATE account, both of you are either deliberately trying to misrepresent, or simply aren't aware of the difference between private emails and business emails.
Nothing produced from the hackers supported the "claim" that she used her private email for business purposes.
Try to actually stick to the facts ok?
Susan:
I repeat, this is NOT a secret in Alaska, and that is a fact. This hacking event, and the e-mails that clearly show she was communicating about government, affairs is a moot point. Troopergate investigators have already uncovered other e-mails that clearly show she was doing just that. Do some reading, Susan, and you might be better acquainted with the facts.
Gen, I repeat, nothing has been proven that she did that nor anything wrong in troopergate. Even Mike Gravel the DEMOCRATIC former presidential candidate and the former DEMOCRATIC Alaskan senator says that Palin is in the right and anyone aware of the facts, not the fiction knows it.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=qp...h?
v=qpBXYcgXV8M
Try learning something for yourself instead of letting the media tell you what to think.
Sheesh.
First of all, the hacking involved included putting her Zip Code into the password field.
Yeah, that's some real liberal hacking right there.
Second of all, there is no way of knowing if the "hackers" (who are only associated with Wikileaks in that they gave Wikileaks the files) are even from the US, and then if the country they come from even finds this to be illegal.
Anonymous used a proxy to get to her webmail account, and as such there is absolutely no way of knowing who the "hacker" is.
Even if they identify the IP of the "hacker", there is no guarantee that the address still belongs to him/her (it could of been released by the ISP), and if they find the MAC address, there is no guarantee that the computer is still owned by him/her, or if it ever was.
Anonymous is not a group in the formal sense. None of the people who claim to be part of it actually are part of it, and it has no leader. The only time multiple members of Anonymous will do something is if they all believe in doing it.
This entire thing could of been done by someone who had no affiliation whatsoever to the dirty bomb scare, or even the Scientology protests.
Also, this is truly a political statement.
The government seems to like wiretapping on its citizens, laptop searches, etc.
How does the government like having their details released to the people?
(Also, your comment system is messed up. Why should I need Javascript to post comments?)
Mike
Little Brother FTW!
We do not have to falsley blam Obama for anything! There is enough out there that falls in his lap that he has done to himself! I personally blame the lefty Oblahblah followers for the crap they posted on kos! As far as Oblahblah taking the high road ----he did not! He could have spoke out against KOS and he did not! He could have spoke out against the campaign finace guy of his that ran his mouth on the radio---- and he did not! The only thing this guy has ever done or changed is what he says according to who he says it to! If someone comes in and robs your house is it your fault cuz you did not buy thicker glass for your windows?? Get a grip! Nothing has been proven about that in Alaska and I heard the comissoner on a talk show singing a different tune than was recently quoted in the media! There is much bigger scandle in the Obama camp and he created it all by himself!
Sounds like mike and zmjjmz know a little too much! HMMMMM........
Nicole
If you leave the keys in front of the door, then yes, it is your fault.
Mike
Wikileaks, still has all that e-mail :D
I think that all those involved in this disgusting attack on Sarah Palin and her family should be punished to the maxium that the law will allow and that includes the websites that posted the private information that was obtained illegally and the American people should rise up and demand the government to make an example out of them all. There's no excuse for this kind of behavior from anyone. It's 100% wrong and it was very cruel.
Michael:
Ever read the Patriot Act? FISA?
ACTA?
Also, someone tried to sue Wikileaks once, and they failed. Miserably. In fact I think Wikileaks ended up suing them and winning.
Mike, you've made several veiled allegations without any proof other than "it's well known" or whatever. Unless you're going to start backing up those allegations with real proof, showing she did in fact do something illegal, back off.
Z, if you don't like how the comments section works, you're free to leave. Seriously, we won't miss your nonsense and you're attempts to peddle the hacked emails here. In fact, we may turn YOUR information over to the authorities as an accessory.
Both of you need to grow up and go do some studying. The terror-mongering about wiretaps and all that crap are just that--they are in place for a reason and do not apply to the ordinary citizen and if you had an ounce of intellectual honesty you would admit that. Instead you hide behind talking points.
Any more crap from either of you and you'll be gone. Got it?
I said allegations, Mike, not threats. I choose my words very carefully to say exactly what I mean. Learn to read them well.
You say here: "she was using those emails to conduct state business, political affairs, and private stuff"--can you prove that with facts? You make several allegations such as this with no back up. Your words, your accusations. Now back them up. It's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of your subconcious standing in saying things you think are facts when they are, in fact, supposition.
Beth,
I normally choose my words carefully myself and I made a simple error, thank you for correcting me on this.
But you do level vieled threats against us, and I don't think that is very Christian of you. Your words that I percieve to be threats include the following two phrases:
"we may turn YOUR information over to the authorities as an accessory" -granted you weren't addressing me but that still sounds like a threat. Also, I even said in the second paragraph, "In short I feel..." thus making it an opinion or a perception.
Second percieved threat involves the last phrase. "Any more crap from either of you and you'll be gone. Got it?" - I still don't feel that I've done anything wrong or posted anything dishonest. We may have to agree to disagree.
As for your second paragraph, Have you read the link that I posted previously above, if not see for yourself from an Alaskan newpaper:
http://www.juneauempire.com/
stor...333013278.shtml
If you need more links try using google.com, I hear they have a good search engine over there.
mike1066
You're are correct, you can't use state sponsered email servers to deal with political business. The emails that are reported to have come from the hacked accounts do seem to involve political business. So far I can't disagree with anything you've said. Have you had chance to read the article that I posted? Just in case you or Beth missed the first two times, here it is once again...
http://www.juneauempire.com/
stor...333013278.shtml
You wrote it, you prove it. I will not do your work for you. And I stand by what I say. You make repeated statements implying you know these things for sure. The only way you would know anything for sure is if you were present or had impeccable sources. One article does not an impeccable source make.
Nor do I threaten--I promise. We here on the right are tired of the constant spin and the constant apologetics and the nonsense coming out of the left. We simply will not tolerate it any more.
Regardless of your personal feelings, the fact remains a personal email was hacked, personal information was stolen and published. End of story. It doesn't matter who's email it was--it was illegal and shouldn't be tolerated by anyone, much less excused or given the cover of excuse. More of the garbage of excusing wrong/illegal acts if carried out by the left while using elephant guns on flies if it's the right.
We are done "putting up" with the hypocrisy. It was wrong and it was illegal. There is no justification and no apology or apologetics can make it right by any measure.
No, Mike there is no burden of proof for McCain or Palin. The burden of proof is the investigation and prosecuting those who committed the crime. You just can't admit the criminals were wrong to hack a private email, can you? And that's where anything else you may say loses merit and credibility. Until you can admit that, there's no more that needs to be said.
I agree with everything that Miss Beth has said in the comments here. AND whatever or whoever did this to Gov. Palin was WRONG.. Period. And unless you were there Mike, or any others of you suggesting that maybe - for example - that McCain and Palin did this themselves, I suggest you take a reality pill. Also Mike, unless you also have insider information - facts - that you are willing to put out in public, I suggest you quit the innuendos about what Gove Palin did or did not do in TrooperGate. NONE of the sources I have read (and yes, I DO read!) have found that SHE did anything wrong. Maybe YOU should find another "source" to base your opinions on.
FACT: This latest attempt (an illegal act btw) to smear Palin is being investigated by the FBI and USSS, and I am confident that the truth WILL out.
Until then, you can all blow as much smoke as you like. I deal in facts...
CARRY ON!
Crap! I posted a long comment, and it got lost...lol
Bottom line to all you conspiracy nutters:
Hacking is a federal crime. That's a fact. The FBI and USSS is investigating. That is also a FACT!
Just because 3 or even more newspaper articles (as opposed to op/eds even) state something as FACT, does not make it so. I know that may come as a shocker to some of you 
Try and deal with that FACT.
As for "TrooperGate", all the sources I have read show Palin in the right, (unintentional pun...lol) in her role as Governor. No, I wasn't there, but I don't think any of you were either..
I am still waiting for Senator Obama to denounce this latest attempt at dirty smears. And yes, a morally disgusting invasion of a family's privacy. Waiting..waiting.
Ooops! Guess it worked, and y'all got a twofer.
Hey, just like some of the other commenters here, I can repeat the FACTS, as often as it takes..
As Miss Beth said: Nothing else NEEDS to be said. And them's the facts~!
Considering I'm an officer of the court, no, I don't hack into other people's private business--ever. Nor do I condone, in any measure, anyone else who does so. And I'll stay on my high horse because regardless of what was in that email account or not, it was private and the crime shouldn't have occurred.
Oh, and--I'm the moderator here. I've been patient with you so far--you're buddy Z got himself banned.
I don't see the same attacks being leveled at those on the left as have been leveled at those on the right and until you can prove otherwise, well--it's all irrelevant. And I mean prove.
Brat--carry on for me--I'm in the middle of a special action which has to be filed tomorrow.
Quote:
"Regardless of your personal feelings, the fact remains a personal email was hacked, personal information was stolen and published. End of story. "
-Ah a bit of spin on your part here...not the end of the story, it is only beginning. You left out the part about her conducting state business on those emails (granted I'm still waiting for you to accept this).
The first part of that is NOT spin. It is the facts...Your additional comment IS innuendo. Are you trying to have us believe that YOU have seen all her emails, so therefore you are the voice of authority on all Gov Palin's personal emails on her personal account?? If so, you DO have a problem. If not, YOU are indulging in uninformed "spin," AND are totally off-topic - but you know that.
I am done with you.
the AP and blogs are now considered reliable sources? Didn't the AP get some of their stories when Palin was picked from Kos? LOL! Lefty just wants to take eyes off the real scandle Oblahblah!
Anonymous in this context is a collective noun for free thinking and free acting individuals. As there is no leadership of Anonymous no action is ordered, requested, condoned or sanctioned by Anonymous. Anonymous does not act, individuals do. There is only communication and consensus.
Anonymous is a major player in the campaigns to raise awareness of the dangers of the cult of scientology for many reasons but perhaps one is because it is the anti-thesis of free thinking; something all individuals participating in the campaign probably believe is a good thing.
There are representatives of left and right wing thinking people who are part of the Anonymous campaign; not only with respect to US politics but also with respect to the politics of many other countries. Interestingly the term liberal means different things in different countries. Anyway, Anonymous is global.
The ONLY story Mike points to as "proof" that Palin was using her personal email for political use, offers NO proof that she was.
Only speculation fueled by 3 bitter republicans she challenged and won.
One Republican Andree McLeod, has a history of mental problems and is considered by Alaskans to be an conspiracy theory nut.
Another fact that Mike overlooks:
In Alaka: Blackberry phones are set up to use yahoo accounts, you cannot even use hotmail, or in this instance, the state host.
Miss Beth you are right. This left wing smear machine includes people like Mike who I suspect are part of the paid network of Obama supporters ( there are over 600) who come to right leaning sites, and indulge in this kind of BS and smearing. He is more subtle than most I'll give him that!
As for the Daily Kos - well the entire MSM chose to believe and perpetuate the proven lies about Trig, Bristol and Sarah Palin created by Kossacks who are in bed with Obama.
"Anonymous" had nothing to do with this.Any nerd can hack into a Yahoo account. Took me 20 minutes to hack into my friends account as proof anyone could do it.
The amateur hacker who hacked Palin's account has gone on record as saying NOTHING in Palin's personal emails - and he read all of them- had anything to do with gov't politics. NOTHING!
So much for Mike's bogus assertions, hence the reason I remain convinced he's an Obama paid minion.
The chosen one is losing. He thought he was ENTITLED to win this Presidency. And then came Palin.
Considering Obama's best friends include Rezko, and two homegrown terrorists, his close relationship with the upper ranks of the Chicago mob, and his 20 yr relationship with a black preacher who spews hate towards white Americans and women in general - I'd say hacking into Palins personal email is just business as usual for the Obama camp - especially in light of the bullying tactics including email and physical harrassment and threats their political careers, that Hillary Clinton delegates received 24/7 during the DNC, and when one considers that Pelosi lied to them about allowing them to change their votes to Clinton if ONLY they would first give them to Obama - then undertook a roll call 2 hours before the deadline she gave them to switch their votes - I'd say NOTHING is beneath the Obama camp & the Democrats. Not even nudging a nerd to hack into Palin's private email account.
Desperation is the mother of invention. This isn't politics as usual Mike and what's ironic is that its coming from the self anointed party of tolerance and choice.
Take a look at all the disgusting websites devoted to making fun of Trig.How about the liberals who chose to SELL HIM ON EBAY!!
Or the disgusting comedian whose asking for and receiving donations to start the Sarah Palin Abortion Clinic to pay for teen abortions. And whose gone all nasty on the Bristol's decision to keep her baby rather than KILL IT.
You see Mike -your party of tolerance and choice- has decided HER choice is not valid, needs to be ridiculed, and has gone so far as to secure donations to rename an abortion clinic after Sarah Palin.
And NO Obama did NOT denouce the lies started by HIS minions at the Daily Kos. He should have called them out by name - instead he paid lip service to keeping families out of this.
I wonder Mike, what would happen if those of us on the right started websites that made fun of Obama's kids...calling them little sambos - photoshopping them picking bales of cotton on huge estates owned by DEMOCRATIC slaves owners in the South.
How about if WE sold them into slavery on EBAY.
Would you then say it was politics as usual, Mike??
OKIES LISTEN UP... Not naming any names here, but when someone has been banned by this site and they have a rolling IP, so they continue to bypass the ban, their comments will be deleted without acknowledgment. Just because they think they do not have to follow the rules, doesn't not mean I will not enforce the rules.
I am not here 24/7, so for those deliberately trying to bypass the ban when I am not here, expect everything you write after the initial ban, to be deleted, no matter what the content.
END OF ANNOUNCEMENT.
Susan
What is a rolling IP?
Also, what did other posters do to get banned?
IP changes, which allows them to bypass bans, an example would be aol users.
In one instance as just one example, someone I won't name decided it would be fine to give a lesson on how to hack into peoples emails... not gonna happen here.
Ah, ok well thanks for the info and I can certainly understand the reason for banning the person giving the hacking lesson, I saw that and felt that it right away should have been deleted.
I've been sort of lurking here in the background reading all of the comments and I wondered why some other posts were also deleted, I didn't see anything wrong with there comments. Don't get me wrong Susan, I'm not questioning your judgement, but I think an explanation would be helpful so others don't fall into the same trap.
Any Bets that once all is said and Done the Hakers are closely affiliated with the DNC if not the Benito Black shirt Kamp??
Ok gang .. any bets that once all is said and done thee will be a good chance thatb the Hackers came fromeither DNC .. Schumer.. or The Benito Kamp??
I will not bet against you redhawk!
Right on Reahwk, I'm with you on this.
So just a question concerning this column. How many you now feel that Gov. Palin did or did not use her yahoo account for state business?
I DO NOT CARE ROBERT! That has not been an issue in any of the reports! How do you feel about Oblahblah going to Iraq and negotiating against our government and our troops in violation of the law for his own personal gain?
Geez Nicole, settle down, if it wasn't an issue why is it mentioned repeatedly in most of the reports that I've read.
As for Robert's question, yeah she probably did run state business on yahoo, I just hope it wasn't against the law to do that
Well Robert, since eve the hacker himself admitted he found nothing incriminating, perhaps that is a redundant question because the answers have already been shown.
No she did not use her "private" email for business or all those leaked emails would have shown something more than phone numbers, addresses to her children, family photos and words of encouragement from friends.
Just more rumor that people continue to spread even when the evidence showing she didn't is already out there now, thanks to a hacker who stated he was HOPING to find something against her and didn't.
I have to go shopping for groceries right now, but I'll be back to address Nicole's AnneMarie's and Susan's comments.
Susan, did you have a chance to address the proposition that I made to you earlier?
Robert, the comments that came after a ban, are automatically deleted even if they do not break the rules, because by deliberately bypassing a ban to continue, IS breaking the rules.
So, whether subsequent comments are rule reakers or not, I cannot leave them after a person has been banned and came back.
So, in the morning, I come on, and anyone that bypassed the ban, simply gets deleted irregardless of the comment itself.
Hope that explains it for you :o)
I am calm! LOL ! You obviously are not getting your news from a respectable source. If you were you would know the truth and frankley are wasting my time.
Nicole
Since you seem to have all the facts, please tell me your sources. For example, I haven't heard about the hacker stating that there was no state business done on yahoo. Also remember there were two emails hacked, which begs the question why two emails if no state business was done there. Furthermore, if we don't know who the hacker was, then how do we know there wasn't more than one hacker? Perhaps one hacker that spoke up said there was no business done so to cover for palin
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree....ys-
nothing.html
Perhaps learning to use your search engine would help.
So you either provide evidence which is on YOU and those accusing Palin, or do not comment again. Rumor mongering without facts to back up the rumor, just he said she said bullshit, isn't going to cut it.
Your attempts to attack Palin without proof, are done here.
AMEN! Just the facts! Put up, or shut up!
Exactly, People continue to try to pass rumor off as facts without providing any evidence, then think it is up to Palin to prove them wrong. Obviously they do not understand the burden of proof is on them, not her.
I would tell them to talk to the hand but that would only confuse them! ROFL!
ROFL
Hi all, just catching up on the recent posts.
-Susan, you didn't really answer my question, and AnneMarie's hypothetical comment illustrates why I asked the question in the first place. I don't see her statements as doing anything wrong according to the rules you set forth.
Also, please note, you guys call out Mike for not having any proof or hard evidence, which is fair. But then Susan links to more blogs on the "Wired Blog Network" Surely, if the hacker never found anything business like on yahoo, then why isn't media like FoxNews, Drudge, Breitbart, and WSJ reporting this? Obviously, I don't read the liberal crap like the New Traitor Times, MSNBC, and CNN. Point being, you request hard evidence from two people but then one asks you for yours and you belittle them with snarky remarks.
I even did some research on
David R.'s comment concerning his description of Anonymous and he seems pretty dead on, in that regard. I am a right-minded Republican and a proud vet, but frankly I do see a bit of a double standard, but hey that's just my opinion. Please bear in mind, I'm new to this forum and searching on the internet isn't my strong suit. Some links would be really helpful.
Robert
Whether Palin used the Yahoo for State Business or not will be determined later.. The Real Question is Will The Hacker (s) go to Jail even though they are hired by Progressive LOONS??
BTW this is our Messiah without ateleprompter..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=e...feature=related
Redahwk, no doubt they should go to jail and they are LEFTY LOONS, but again where is the evidence that they were hired by Progressive LOONS.
Your comment further illustrates another point, Susan critisizes AnneMarie for making a hypothetical point, even though she didn't break any stated rules by Susan. Shouldn't those rules about laying down allegations without proof also apply to Redahwk?
Question: Why isn't Redahwk's message flagged for leveling an allegation without any proof?
I forgot to add, though, he is probably correct, the hacking was probably done by hired guns on the left
First off, if you had followed the links, you would have seen, it WAS a leftist that hacked into her account and he admitted it was to find incriminating evidence which he did not find.
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree....ys-
nothing.html
Try following LINKS.
In fact, he is the son of a Democratic politician.
Also, it is sites like Huffington Post, America Blog and Gawker, leftist sites that knowingly republished the information that was illegally obtained.
http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree....cablog-
all.html
Lat but not least, you folks need to realize this is MY site, I owe no one any explanations about how it is run...deal with it or click the little X in the top right hand corner.
We clear?
I am clear Susan
All right ladies and gentlemen, I
’m gonna play a little bit of Devils advocate here so bear with me, as I try to make light of the situation. The way I understand it, according to Susan, it is a fact that the hacker who committed the crimes, is the son of a Tenn. Dem law maker. The hacker has yet to be charged as of this writing. In the first link Susan provides, another one of her blogs which links to another blog seen here:
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6...-e-mail-
ha.html
In this link, the first sentence states the following: “A person claiming to be the hacker who obtained access to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's…” The key word there is “claiming,” which doesn’t exactly provide proof does it Susan? In addition to this, her second link, seen here: http://wwwwakeupamericans-spree....ys-
nothing.html
Apparently another blog written by Susan she says what appears to be her own words, “Person claiming to be the hacker is Democratic politician's son and says there was no incriminating evidence in any email.” Even the other poster, brat, said the following “Just because 3 or even more newspaper articles (as opposed to op-eds even) state something as FACT, does not make it so.” And Miss Beth, said it best, “You wrote it, you prove it.”
Now I admit when someone claims to commit a crime, especially hacking, chances are likely they actually did it. But according to redahwk, he was paid for the hacking services by the oblahblah campaign (Nicole I borrowed this from you cause I liked it).
But I guess the liberals will just have to ignore redahwk
’s rumor mongering because after all Susan wields the power over who is allowed to make allegations or rumors and who isn’t.
I was talking to my granddaughter Molly, who is just about to be shipped over seas soon to complete a tour, about what blogs were and she told me that they were unreliable for news. Susan, this is your site and no one is trying to take that away from you. You are a true patriot for being a loyal republican. However, for the time being, I don
’t accept the rumors and allegations which you say come from a Dem lawmaker’s son because I would like to more unbiased info that doesn’t come from blogs. Sorry, I’m not trying to start a war (I’ve been there already) and I am only asking as respectfully as possible. I’ve asked my granddaughter for help with the searching but she is too busy. I’ve searched on Google but I can’t seem to find any major news sites reporting this. Oh and I just looked at Sarah Palin Wikipedia profile, someone got it wrong, only one of her two yahoo accounts was hacked, not both. Well I’m off to bed, good night to all of you and keep my granddaughter in your prayers, please.
I found a link on Drudge which points to the Tenn. Dem Lawmaker...my apologies for this.
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/200...palin-e-mail-p/
Robert did you see the New york Post article about Oblahblah in Iraq? I did see a report on fox saying nothing incriminating was found in the stolen emails. I think it was bill oriley - he interviewed some one about it. try the foxnew.com home page for link first. I always pray for our military guys and gals Robert! God bless her! Please tell her thank you from me!
So it was a Democ RAT that Hacked.. I WIN I win..
Nicole
To answer your original question, I think you are referring the Logan Act. Supposedly Nancy Pisslosi broke the same law when she went to Syria. I don
’t know what was said by Nobama or fancy Nancy, and the reports that I’ve read don’t really offer proof, but more speculation. I certainly wouldn’t put it past them for breaking the law again and at this point looks at the very least, damn shady. Also, the article reads more like an op-ed and the author, himself, has been marred in a few controversies, according to his Wikipedia entry. Granted Wikipedia isn’t always reliable either and based on those things, I have a hard time taking his word as fact. Of course that doesn’t mean more won’t come out later on this matter, as I’m sure it will. Realistically speaking, the law is 200 years old and no ones ever been prosecuted for it. If he did get charged for this law, I think you would definitely see the Supreme Court getting involved in the matter. In short, I think we conservatives have bigger fish to fry.
Redahwk, you got it right, for the most part, so congrats to you. We still haven
’t found out if Obambi camp paid the stupid kid yet, time will tell.
This is could be my last post on this blog so I
’ll summarize my latest feelings and opinions on the email hacking. It was a shameful invasion and a crime, I think people from both parties can agree on that. According to an article that I read from Slate this morning, (see below), she had two email accounts on yahoo. One was used for business and one for personal use. It appears the account that was hacked was the personal one, and there likely wasn’t any business done on it. However, the other one, the one that wasn’t hacked, “reportedly” was used for state business (there is a link to a Washington Post article in the column). Regardless of what you believe, I think this was really stupid of Gov. Palin and her aides to use yahoo for email, personal or otherwise. From the Dem position, it looks like she learned something from the Bush Administration when it comes to covering your tracks. Even though I’m a Republican, I’m not real proud of this President and I think we need to get back to our REAL conservative roots, at least fiscally anyways. I like Gov. Palin’s stance on the issues, in some cases better than McCain’s. However, this email flap and the trooper scandal, make me very skeptical of her ability as a leader, at least one that I can trust.
http://www.slate.com/id/2200359/...0359/?
GT1=38001
AFP: Obama Camp Hits Back at Iraq Double-Talk Claim Robert that is a link to the obama camps answer to the Iraq negotiation. In denying he did anything wrong they actually admit he did it! What a bunch of idiots! I think if we the people speak up they may just do something! It is our duty as Americans to keep out government in check. Also if you go to fox they actually have said there was no violation by palin conserning emails. The dem rep is being very illusive about his sons involvement but everything posted here so far has been what papers are reporting. The suspected hacker was a UT. student see KnoxNews.com for a detailed article.
Nicole
Just to make sure you and I are reading the same article...is this the same one?
http://afp.google.com/article/
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, when you said, "It is our duty as Americans to keep out government in check." Just remember that phrase because we all need to look at our government with a skeptical eye, no matter who is in office. Don't forget, the day we take our eye off the ball, is the day this country stops functioning.
With regards to the email issue, I never argued that there was a violation. There wasn't any state business with regard to the hacked account. As far as I can tell it was only a personal account and nothing unethical was done on that email account. However, I'm not so certain about the other yahoo account, which was NOT hacked. It does seem from my point of view that she may possibly have done state business on yahoo, but only on the account that WAS NOT hacked. Whatever the case, both accounts have been deleted, so we'll probably never know either way. I still think there is something shady going on with Palin and I can't put my finger on it yet. She just hasn't gained my trust yet. As far as McCain goes, I would have prefered Mitt Romney for the nominee. I'm gettin off topic, so I'll stop.
Even Barack Obama, who opposed the Iraq troop surge, has finally acknowledged its success. But some of his fellow Democrats in Congress apparently remain unconvinced. Earlier this week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin teamed up to block a vote on a bipartisan resolution "recognizing the strategic success of the troop surge in Iraq" and thanking our men and women in uniform for their efforts.
HOW about those two Super Patriots??
Don't forget to give credit to the anbar awakening and the Al-Sadr cease-fire, which helped the surge to be successful. I won't be surprised to see my comment disappear but I'm sure yours will stay even though we are both off topic.
Yep, y'all are straying off topic again, but this topic is about worn out anyway. AnneMarie, you are correct in your assessment of the surge success
LOL, yep old and off topic...
My dear Miss Beth, you and AnneMarie are both right, the surge was a success.
There were other contributing factors to that success besides the influx of US troops and I wish other conservatives, besides myself, would acknowledge this.
I forgot to add, I wish more liberals would acknowled the success too!
Anbar was a rsult of the Marines who showed to the Ruling Sheiks that they were there to Espablish a permanent Safe area.. and the rest is History..
On the Other side of the COIN we should nevr Forget that Until the Goden Mosque was Blown up by AQ.. things were Slowly getting to adegree of calm.. But the Iranian backed Al Sdr got the Mahti army supplied and Motivated to Wreck Havoc..
UNITY by all Parties is the Only way to Defeat Terrorists and from my vantage Point .. Progressive Loons lack the Spine to stand up or are more willing to let them take over ..anything to Screw up America..
yes robert that is the right article O's camp denies by admission. There are more articles but I am strapped for time right now.
redhawk,
I'm not sure whether you agreed or disagreed with my comments about Anbar and the Al Sadr cease-fire arrangement. Certainly, we tax payers funded the Anbar Councils to combat AQ, we created an infrastructure of sorts for them to build upon. Nevertheless, without a fundamental change in attitude on behalf of those Muslims participating in battling AQ, I'm quite certain the surge wouldn't be the success that it is. The Awakening started in Nov 2005. The Golden Mosque was first bombed Feb 2006. The surge wasn't announced till Jan 2007, more than a full year after the Awakening started. It wasn't until June 2007 that surge troops reached full capacity and Al Sadr cease fire, coincidentally started a month later Aug 2007. A simplified time-line, perhaps, but it is quite apparent to me that the Anbar Awakening and the cease fire contributed to the success of the surge.
Nicole,
I only refer to that article, because I don't see any admission of violating the Logan Act. Notice the McCain camp never outright accused him of violating it either; perhaps a veiled accusation of sorts but nothing more. It makes no difference at this point, trying to charge Obama for violating the Logan Act won't improve McCain's poll numbers at this point. McCain needs to focus on the issues to win this election.
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