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I think the time has come for the warnings to stop, for the people of Gaza to face the RESPONSIBILITY for their actions. Maybe then they will not be so willing to store rockets and weapons in their homes.
Plain and simple. It is terrorism. Just as we have seen in Iraq, and all over the rest of the world.
At least Israel has some decency, to call families, and warn them, that their house is about to be bombed. Get Out!
Hamas simply lobs missiles, (I call them bottle rockets), willy nilly. No plan at all. But, Hamas, as does the Taliban, and Al Queda, and Hezbollah, seem to want to hide behind innocent people.
I give a big KUDOS to Israel! I hope they do not stop, untill this madness is quelled. People will die. It is WAR. That is the way it is. There is no talking to cowards who hide behind innocent people.
I really hope, and pray that Mr. Obama is ready. Good abs and all. I don't think the economy should be first on the list. Seems to be able to get by on it's own.
Fight terrorism on all fronts!
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While I can't blame Israel for getting fed up with Hamas, I wonder just how much patience the rest of the world has with Israel?
Most of the civilized world considers Israel little more then a very well financed terrorist nation it'self.
As for Israel giving warnings. It is a tactic they have been using for years but it hardly the moral high ground any more then dropping leaflets saying 'surrender!' on any enemy has ever been. They were not very directed and pretty much came down to 'hey people! leave the places we might bomb!'. To describe this as moral high ground would be to put terrorists who phone in generic bomb threats on the same field. I assume you do not call them morally correct?
And if you think about it, Hamas has given those settlements plenty of warning. Israel is settling people in the middle of a war zone and is using it's own colonists as a giant human shield and one of the Palestinian's long standing goals is to stop Israel from settling conquered land. So 'don't settle here or we will attack you' has about the same moral high ground as 'don't live near your government's stuff or we will bomb you'.
Ultimately, one only has to look at the numbers. Looking at numbers over the last decades, Israel has kept a ratio of anywhere between 2:1 and 4:1 on civilian deaths. Both sides are trying to 'protect themselves' but one is managing to have a much higher body count. With the US as a waning power I can't imagine the world will put up with the conflict any longer then maybe another 50 years.
Israel has had to put up with this terror for far to long. So what about what the rest of the world thinks? The just about the rest of the world is under the Islamic thumb and are afraid to speak out against it. Hamas and the Palestinians that are boo hooing to the world, got what they deserved. You mess with the bull you get the horns. Israel is not the bad guy just because they hit back harder or that they are better at keeping their people safer. I wonder how bad the world would have felt if Israel had not had the foresight to keep kids from going to school the other day? Yeah poor Hamas targeted a school for little kids. When you are dealing with a bully (even one with less power)you always hit them twice as hard, so as to put them in their place. Did anyone see the article on WND about Rosanne Barr? She could not think for herself even if her head wasn't up her AZZ! Bottom line Hamas is the bad guy and it is their own fault they bit off more than they could chew. If Mexico was pulling this crap on America,I would want our government to blow them off the map! This is how it is all over the world .....Islam killing some group of people and blaming everyone else. Why is it Islam can not get along with anyone? They are the bullies of the world!
And at this moment, Israel is on the ground, and inside Gaza. I am sure this will be storied here soon.
Maybe the non-sensible attacks by Hamas will stop, or be thrown into oblivion.
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@Nichole
Eh, might makes right only sounds correct till you are on the wrong end of it.
Ok, for a historical analogy. I am assuming you are American? So let's say one day China decides, say, that Tibeten immigrants within the US should have their own country and declare that the US is 'New Tibet'. They lock the security council so the UN can't do anything about it. the UK and Canada try to come to our defense but are met with a massive wall of rebranded Chinese military. They end up loosing pieces of their territory and big chunks of their infrastucture. Next Tibeten nationals wreak the bulk of the US infrastructure and cause millions of Americans to flee to canada and mexico. Even after the direct hostilities calm down they are not allowed to return as voting citizens.
The international community and superpowers look away, America stands battered with only a few equally weak allies against a religiously driven people with the full weight of the Chinese military behind them. They section off the few remaining pockets of Americans, kill the aristocracy and leadership leaving instability and power vacuums. Americans try to fight back but they don't have any effective positions left, only local warlords. Without the strength to go after heavily fortified military targets they try hitting whatever targets they can.. namely new Chinese immigrants who are being paid to build on the ashes of your own homes. Poor and leaderless they would fight back any way they could.
Some Americans try to simply rebuild but discover that without the right 'permits' their homes get bulldozed, sometimes with people still in them. Crippling economic sanctions and crap land insure that the survivors can't build infrastucture without handouts.. the water supply is in Tibeten hands as are all the ports.
As an American, if I were presented with such an unwinable situation, I know I would fight back. Are you saying that if someone more powerful then the US invaded and took away your land and citizenship you would just role over and say 'wow, they are really strong, I should know my place and just accept it!'. I doubt it.
In fact, as an American, I can look back at our own history and the revolutionary war (which used quite a bit of gurrila tactics and terrorism) to see how we feel about being told we should just lay down and do what our betters tell us to do.
As for Islam not getting along with the world... a lot of that is driven specifily by anger over Israel. Take away Israel's behavior and much of the hostility that fuels terrorism would fade.
It should also be noted that while it doesn't get much press in the US, there is a significant problem in the world coming from Christian terrorists, and Jewish Terrorists used to be a big problem maybe 40-50 years ago.
Even within America I fear radical Christian groups more then Muslim ones simply because their attacks are more frequent (but usually less spectacular) and the condemnation from the moderate community tends to be pretty minimal. Just like their arab counterparts they attack groups that have just enough public displeasure already focused on them that moderate people are willing to look the other way.
Neeneko let me see how can I put this to cover what ever country you pretend to come from..... ahhh BULLSHIT! That land belongs to Israel and has since God gave it to them and a whole lot more.....Hamas is a terrorist group that should not be listened to. Hamas has never obeyed the peace agreement. Islam does not get along with any one because they are hate-filled dictators that want to take over the world and force every one to bow down to their false god or be killed. It is not Israel's fault that Islam refuses to tolerate or get along with any other peoples besides Islam. Oh wait that's right some leaders from Islam did get along with Hitler and helped him. Try your brain washing some where else. The other Mideast countries still have a lot of Israel's land let one of them give that to the Palestinians. Now lets see what do the muslims killing committing genocide in Darfur have to do with Israel and how is that helping this situation in Gaza? How is it the Turkish muslims killing Christians there in turkey helping? I could go on and on but the point is the same......BULLSHIT!
Hey can anyone tell me when in recent history that Christian's put a 13year old girl out in the middle of town and stoned her to death,for dishonoring her rapest aka.husband? How many Christian's are allowed by law to kill their family members for converting to another religon? How many Christian schools around the world are allowed to train the children to become suicide terrorist to kill off all other religions? I can only think of the counries of HeadupthereAzz and Bullshitopia. A little help here.
Well Nichole, we can start with the KKK, a nice all american chrisitan terrorist group that within living memory killed people for violating what they saw as god's laws. We've also got Army of God and the Ayrian Nation... We've got abortion clinic bombers in general, white speratists, and that is just in the US.
You've also got plenty of low level cases of people who kill or terrorise for 'godly reasons' in the US (such as killing/lynching of gays/trans over the last decade).
Over in Ireland you've got many years of the IRA. In Kenya (along with other various African nations) you have various small groups, usually splinters from the Roman Catholics.
As for Israel and God giving them that land. That land has been given to about half a dozen groups by their various Gods over the last few millinia. Since Christianity is a branch of Judaism and Islam is a branch of Christianity, all three groups can claim that territory anyway.
And gratz for degrading the discussion with Goodwin's law. I will take this point to remind you that there were Jewish groups that allied WITH Nazi Germany to throw off the yoke of British occupation. There were also Christian groups (esp in the eugenics movement) that really admired Hitler and what he was doing. So throwing around 'big generic group had members who helped Hitler!' can be applied all over the place.
The muslims had their own section of the Nazi army...very different. The KKK is not considered "Christian" by most people nor are they allowed by law to kill people or are they supported by the world in doing so. You Kenya comment is a joke!Muslims all over the world kill people as a way of life and it is excepted and encouraged by just about everyone now. I am sure their are "Christians" that have killed people but as a group of people, other Christians do not condone it, nor does the world, and it is totally not a way of life. In any place around the world where "Christians" live it is against the law for them to behave the way the muslims do and "Christians" when caught are punished. Muslims all over the world get away with crimes the rest of the world would not. You are very confused just because a person is non-muslim does not make them a "Christian". These groups you mentioned did not do these things in the name of their God or for their God. Everything the muslims do is for their god and in the name of their god. (and they do not let ya forget it) Get this straight....you can believe what ever you want I do not care and will not stop you in any way....Islam is NOT a branch of Christianity in any way.Islam is a made up religion based on the Arab pagan moon god Allah. Just like Scientology.....that is probably where the guy got the idea you can make something up and get the world to follow it. Well them and Satan. Believe this or not I do not care ...it is between you and God....God Almighty is the Creator of this world and He alone gave that land to Israel...He is the only true God...all others are false....so I could give a crap what they say.
Susan I am sorry .....neekompoop is gettin on my nerves with this crap. How do dumb people like this continue to survive? How can they even feed themselves at this level of stupidity?
In case anyone has forgot Islam has declared Jihad aka holy war on the world. Ummmm that makes them the enemy does it not?
Pagan Moon God? You mean the same was Jesus is retelling of the Egyptian god Horus? Or how significant chunks of the Old Testament are retelling of Babylonian myths?
Ancient religions borrowed and mixed quite a bit. However, since Islam recognizes both the Torah and Bible as valid scripture (the Quran is considered the 3rd book of God's Word in Islam, not the only one) I would say that makes them a branch of Christianity. Now what they are doing with it TODAY is pretty different, but go back maybe 300-400 years and the same religions were pretty inverted in how they implemented their beliefs.
God also gave that land to the Arabs, then he gave it to the Europeans, then I guess he gave it back to the Jews.. before that another God gave it to other groups that the Jews then kicked out. Like all of Mesopotamia it has changed hands many times and each group claims that some God or another gave it to them.
*shrug* if the mods feel I am saying something inappropriate I can deal with that. It is their playground and they decide who's views stay and who goes. But is it really nesseary to result to name calling? Is your belief so fragile that you lash out and dehumanize anyone who doesn't share them? I have not once called you stupid, or a name, or even belittled your point much less your religion. I have been polite enough to refer to you as Nichole. I do not know what sect within Christianity you follow but in mine (Russian Orthodox, i.e. the sect that compiled the Bible in the first place) they taught us better manners then that.
As for Jihad and the world... are you forgetting the rise in apocalyptic Christianity that is actually trying to bring about the END of the world? (partly through support of Israel which is one of the requirements for the end time). That sounds pretty bad too.
Do you also forget that since they are a highly decentralized faith, NO ONE has the authority to declare Jihad for all of Islam. They are not even as centralized as pre-protestant Christianity with the 5 patriarchs. Every local group has their own sect and spiritual leaders. Some have declared Jihad on various things, others have declared Fatwa against the various Jihads. Figuring out who is a friend and who is an enemy is a pretty critical step in defeating anything.
What ever Neek. We do not recognize false gods as Christians and you should know that as an Orthodox Christian. I am shocked that an Orthodox would so belittle the word of God and who He truly is. Your very ignorant of the true backgrounds of the religions that you are discussing here. Surely you do not just take their word for it. Christians are not trying to end the world....another ignorance on your part. The "end times" that Christians believe and talk of are prophecy's from God. We support Israel not to bring the end of the world....we do so because we have been instructed and warned by God to do so. My frustration with people like you has nothing to do with my faith.....religion aside people with such stupid views is dangerous to our current problems in the world ....like the muslims trying to take over the world. People need to open their eyes to the true nature of the muslim religion and their agenda...see what they are doing all over the world....and quit allowing them special privileges and excuses above and beyond that of every other peoples and religions.
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