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Unless we've been lied to, the FLDS women, who have been making the rounds on TV, have no shame. I think they are liars. These poor children. God have mercy, please. Amen.
Are these women really the mothers of some of these children. They say they are, but where is the proof? When I had to pick-up my nieces from the airport I had to show ID and my sister-in-law had to show that these were her children. Now these women want the children without showing any proof.
How can we have been sitting back while this goes on people what is worng with us oh yes we are too busy trying to control each other we cannot not allow this to continue!!! we must stop ourselves from abusing our children with religion!!! this is happening all over not just in this cult when are we going to stop the physical and mental abuse this is brain washing religion is a form of brain washing people and its wrong we do it because its away for us to have control over others we have to stop beating our children and brainwashing them look what is happening in the Catholic church come one this is crazy I would investigate alot more than just this religion !!
People wake up look at how many problems religion has caused what are you doing !!!!! religion is a shame its a way to control and collect money WAKE UP !!!!!!!!!!!
This is not what they want you to hear
First, lets look at the facts. Child rape and abuse is illegal in this country. That is the beginning, middle and end of this story. Religion has nothing to do with it, and the first amendment does not give any "religion" the ability to commit an act that is a crime to the rest of us! If anything, it should be read that all of us, no matter what religion, are required to follow the exact same laws as everyone else!
Something else I find disturbing, though no one else has said anything about it: The Texas authorities have stated that most of the children taken are girls, by a large percentage. This does not make sense. As a general rule, the statistical birth rate states that for every 100 girls born there are 104 boys born. So when Texas took those children, there should have at least been about an equal number of boys vs. girls taken. But there wasn't, instead, mostly girls. Would someone like to tell me what happened to all those boys that the birth rate says should exist?? Where are they? Did the FLDS send those boys away? Is there something about the FLDS that can change the basic statistical birth rate? Were those baby boys "banished" at birth? Are they still alive? WHERE ARE THE BOYS THAT STATISTICS SAY SHOULD EXIST???
Should they be getting married so young....nope. there is just one problem I see with this whole thing, it is a very slippery slope we are about to walk on, when any government can round up people like this in mass because of the complaint of one it is dangerous. Say you have a drug dealer selling stuff on your block, should they come in and take everyone to jail and then figure out who they are looking for. As wrong as it may be and although most of the people are involved in one way or another I just see this opening up way to many doors. 99% of us agree that what they do is at best questionable so it
’s ok in this instance, but what about the next group that 98% disagree with, sooner than you know we will be rounding up people that 60% of us disagree with. and by then it will be old hat for the government to do this kind of thing and everyone will be desensitized to it, think about Nazi Germany, they took away the Jews a little at a time until everyone didn’t pay much attention to it, then they would round up whole communities. Slippery slope I tell ya.
Oh the poor children! We must do this for them! Liberate them from their strange, evil religious ways. Baptize them wth MTV, abortions, drugs, toxic foods, HIV, condoms, and our worldly wisdom. Oh God yes, let us join hands and save the children. Let us cry "Witch! Witch!" Let us burn their evil parents! Because we have come so far as a people. We know what's best for these children. After all, we are the model of morality for the world, aren't we?
Yes indeed the poor children. Children being used as sex slaves and breeders to some really sick men. They are indeed in need of rescue! I'm not saying the rest of us are perfect, but niether are they!
Folks really. I think most people would not really care if these women could freely make a choice to live in polygomy as adults. Unfortunately, they are NOT free to make that choice and are frequently held against thier will. What we care about is the CRIME, not the religion. Same holds true for the children. If those children were allowed to mature to full adults and allowed to make their own choice on who they were to be wed to, most of us wouldnt care because then it is not a crime.
It is the idea of little girls being given over to much older men to be raped and bred like cows that infuriates us, because not only is it sick, its against the law. THAT is what this case is about, not religion. The only reason they had to raid the whole community is that the whole community does this, not just one family. Just because "only one" girl complained about child abuse does not mean that the other children should be left to suffer. Besides, according to them, they are all one family. So we are treating them as one big family.
and like i said before the cops should raid whole towns if one person is caught with drugs, because i am sure that there are more than just that one person doing it. and then everyone who in the town should have there children taken away because there were drugs found in the negborhood and have to prove they are inoccent before they get their children back because we all know this is about LAW and the law dose say guilty until proven innocent. so if we are worried about this being a crime and if we need to uphold the law of the land then should not the law work for both sides not just the goverment?
when i see these people on the news i think that they seem indoctorinated and simple minded, well if that is the basic rule of thumb to follow then 98% of americans are guilty....
if you take away all the bull "crud " and the man made rules that we follow like sheep the honest truth is that by natural law these kids are of age to give birth, do i think that in the world we live in that this is a good thing , no, not at all but the people in this group dont seem to be living in our world.
when it comes down to a black or white all religions are man made, all laws are man made. abuse happens everwhere even in all of your homes to one degree or another and pray that you dont get caught up in something that others dont like or dont aprove of because before you know it you will be in court defending yourself over something that you do not feel is wrong / illeagle or a "sin".
people who dont like that like that life do get away, i have seen them on the news , like the story about the lady who used cocaine to get over the "tramma" ( like that is the only reason for people to use coke) i do agree with these people about one thing, the end of the world is comming and we better be prepared,
Scott this is not a town in is a compound where everyone lives as one, passing their kids around to each other to the point where the kids do not even know who their actual mother is.. do not try to distract from the issue with idiotic comparison with towns and sects that live on one ranch.
well i hope you never are on the wrong side of the wall when a decison is made that a group that you belong to is targeted.
i do not believe that what they are doing is right, i am just very worried about things to come and one bucket of red paint in a lake wont turn it red but over time and a bucket here and a bucket there it will change with nobody ever remembering the true color. and i am sorry if my view is considerd to be full of idiotic comparisons but for now at least we have the freedom to think like WE wish and to say what WE think , not just what YOU think, and by the way thank you for sharing your thoughts on the issue Susan, most people dont care enough about anything to even write in a blog.
I have news for you Scott, if my side of the wall, as you put it, has older men raping children, I hope to god they do target me....then again, I would never put myself nor any child on that side of the wall.
If you want to defend rapists, do it elsewhere, I have no patience for idiocy. The judge heard the conditions there and what these children suffer and made the appropriate determination.
Night everyone.
ther is a term in law called alledged, until proven guilty, i pray that you are never put on trial because we all know that there are no innocent people conveicted, once proven , hang them by thier privates, untill then it is called due process. but i guess that is IDIOCY in your book, i think we would all be better off if you stay off jurys because you seem to want to shoot first and ask questions later,
of the 15 years i spent in the army defending the freedoms and right you love i have found that most of the rights that people have in america ( the land that i have fought for and killed for ) dont seem to want to share the rights that the law would provide them. your freedom is in the balance here. although i guess you dont have time for that kind of idiocy, open you eyes to the BIG picture. you ask if i want to defend rapists? no i would like to line them up and kill them all, BUT i do want to make damn sure that he/she is a rapist before i kill someone, trust me , you cant put the bullet back in the gun. so let our laws do thier job and let them have thier FAIR day in court before we string them up.
hundreds if not thousands of people have been sent to prison wronfully in this country, much like AIDS it could be you, hopefully in your trial the jury dose not assume the worst before hearing the evidence.
or is that idiocy as well...... hmmmmmmmm
Scott it is not "alleged" that these children are pregnant.
It is not "alleged" that the leader of the group has already been convicted for conspiracy to rape on two counts.
It is not "alleged" that a 13, yr old girl being pregnant is a crime of the person that impregnated her.
It is not "alleged" that a 14, yr old girl being pregnant is a crime of the person that impregnated her.
It is not "alleged" that a 15, yr old girl being pregnant is a crime of the person that impregnated her.
It is not "alleged" that a woman that knowingly allows such abuse upon their children has committed the offense of endangering their child and neglect.
It is not "alleged" that statutory rape is a crime.
So take your pathetic "alleged" and go somewhere else to defend child abusers.
First, lets look at the facts. Child rape and abuse is illegal in this country. That is the beginning, middle and end of this story. Religion has nothing to do with it, and the first amendment does not give any "religion" the ability to commit an act that is a crime to the rest of us! If anything, it should be read that all of us, no matter what religion, are required to follow the exact same laws as everyone else!
Something else I find disturbing, though no one else has said anything about it: The Texas authorities have stated that most of the children taken are girls, by a large percentage. This does not make sense. As a general rule, the statistical birth rate states that for every 100 girls born there are 104 boys born. So when Texas took those children, there should have at least been about an equal number of boys vs. girls taken. But there wasn't, instead, mostly girls. Would someone like to tell me what happened to all those boys that the birth rate says should exist?? Where are they? Did the FLDS send those boys away? Is there something about the FLDS that can change the basic statistical birth rate? Were those baby boys "banished" at birth? Are they still alive? WHERE ARE THE BOYS THAT STATISTICS SAY SHOULD EXIST???
Ladijules
They are called the lost boys and I have a piece about exactly what has been done to them, you will find your answers there.
The Forgotten Children of the FLDS Polygamist Group, The Lost Boys
http://wwwwakeupamericans- spree....polygamist.html
Hope that help, it certainly won't make you feel any better, but it is an answer to your question.
Here is some interesting reading,
http://www.petitiononline.com/ml...7/
petition.html
And another thing, you should really look around the internet or read the newspaper or take some law classes at your community college. Because you seem to forget (or maybe you’re ignorant of) how law works in America. The other people that are reading this banter between us have not really spoken up..... I wonder if it’s because they agree with me about letting the law do its job and don’t want to express their feelings about it because they are afraid that to agree with me would make you assume that they are child molesters or rapists. After all it would be easy to attack me and my feelings about this because I am the only one saying anything that seems to be going opposite of your view on the subject.
The messed up thing is that I or anyone could call an anonymous phone line and say anything at all about you and your family and you would have your world turned upside down. And everyone in your area would assume the worst is true, and the rumors would fly. You and your family would be in hell because the words of another. I did not say it was smart of the right step to keep the kids out of that place at all, hell the law said to do it so then it should be done, however until they are convicted of a crime lets not be a lynch mob. You are confusing my desire for freedom and protection under the law with me believing that rape and child molestation is appropriate behavior.
Scott, I agree with you and I hope no-one ever sets this precedent in Canada. I just read that they found a woman who may have made the call and she is 33 and not ever FLDS! I hope that most people can see the need to prove something rather than just believe the latest chit chat. If there are underage marriages - that would be before 16 years - then the individual who married the girl must be brought before the law, but until then I agree that the authorities should look for facts. You are right that this is how Hitler started, by picking on groups that were believed to be different and then going on from there.
Yes hopeful, by all means, let the children stay and continue to be raped and sexually abused at wil, until a criminal case can be charged to arrest the men....or are you suggesting ALL the men get arrested without being indicted, just in case they are the guilty ones?
Get your head out of your ass.
The children were removed for their safety, and after the DNA tests come in and the documents can be gone through, no arrests can BE made....what are you a moron?
You don't understand that removing the children from abuse comes firist and foremost, THEN cases get built.
Talk about a Nazi way of thinking....sheesh.
if the children are being raped and abused let them step forward and then let the law step in.
taking a whole community with one big net and then deciding guilt is NOT the american way
Check out this most excellent link from findlaw.com
http://writ.lp.findlaw.com/hamil...n/
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