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Well said- and then some.
I have noted on more than once occasion that the people most determined to deny the Holocaust are the very same people who think the Holocaust was a good idea to begin with.
Voted on RCP for you!!!! I was number 5. GREAT piece and thank you for the compliment.
Exactly. Then we have those that really do not know anymore than "some Jews died"...they have no clue at what really happened. Or how many Non-Jews died also.
Great post and well said. Thank you! I also linked and trackposted to this post! 
Thanks Layla!!!!!
Unfortunately, many people probably don't want to know the details of what happened. Of course, that is a far different type of denial than the Holocaust deniers preach. I was very uncomfortable reading this post, but these accounts need to be read. I visited Dachau years ago, that was uncomfortable, but I think it was necessary. We live in a world which tends to turn a blind eye towards things until too late. What will we learn about North Korea years from now? Why aren't people constantly talking about that?
BINGO... you hit on the problem.
Well said.
I believe that the holocaust happened, but the thing that I hate is how so many people still think that they are owed some special rite of passage through life because this tragedy occurred.
Also, how come no one cares about the native American holocaust that was enacted by the europeans that came to America?
How come nobody mentions the holocausts that are discussed in the bible that were carried out by christians.
How come this holocaust is the only one that ever gets brought up?
How come this holocaust is always about the Jews and not the many other people and religions that were persecuted?
Also, just FYI people. Israel has a vast nuclear arsenal at its disposal. Its neighbors pose no real threat to them and they know it.
The question I have is this. How long is the US supposed to bend over backwards to Israel for something that the germans did? And how many weapons and biliions of dollars in foriegn aid do our American citizens have to keep paying out to Israel when they are already more than capable of taking care of themselves now? I do not consider myself anti-semite or anything like that, but every child needs to be removed from the nipple it feeds from sooner or later. It's a simple fact of life.
As usual people like you ignore the FACTS. The reason that the Holocaust is brought up and not the "other" Holocausts that you mention is because THOSE are not repeating themselves against the Indians etc... THIS IS.
By ignoring the evidence right in front of your eyes, you are showing yourself to be no BETTER than antisemites...those are their arguments, down to the last points.
The reason we stand by Israel is because their neighbors want their destruction.
By your logic, we should not have had anything to fear before 9/11 because we have a massive arsenal, yet 9/11 did happen.
Just because Israel is armed well, does NOT mean that they cannot be attacked, as they are on a DAILY basis by rockets hitting their civilian populations high schools, nurserys and homes.
Youmay not consider yourself an anti-semite, but neither does the thug from Iran... just because you cannot acknowledge what you are, does not mean you aren't one.
Have a good day and perhaps you might consider opening your eyes and stop letting other anti-semites give you your talking points...don't deny you are, because if you weren't you wouldn't be repeating them VERBATUM.
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The reason that those other holocausts are not repeating themselves is because one side was basically wiped out, leaving it to be unrepeatable.
It figures that you had to result in name calling to try to prove your point. I forgive you though, as I do anyone else that chooses to allow thier anger to take control of themselves.
Also, 'this' holocaust has not ever repeated itself. It is true that there are some bad people out there that would like to see this happen, but it has not happened. So please sir, show me these 'facts' that you mention that I obviously do not know about.
Yes Israel is attacked daily by what are often ineffective attacks. Occasionally one of them hits a buidling and a few people die, but that is far from being a reoccurrance of the holocaust. Plus Israel kills many more people than the amount of thier people that get killed, so where is this holocaust reoccurring that you say that you have 'facts' about?
George Washington stated it best during his farewell speech that we should never hold permanent foriegn ties to another nation or it will bring the downfall of America. So sir, you open 'your' eyes and take a look at how your concern for another country over your own is slowly leading to the separation of our national beliefs and could inevitably destroy us in the process.
I have fought for these great United States in the past, and I strongly believe in our forefathers beliefs and in our Constitution. If you do not believe in these same things sir, then you should seriously reassess yourself and the values that possess you.
Now unlike you, I'll not result to name calling such as antisemite as you did to me, though I could easily come up with a few for you. Now, if you do care to reply in a sound and sincere manner, then I would be glad to continue this chat, otherwise I'll not waste my time again. Good day to you and kind regards sir.
First off, as just one small example of the fallacy of your argument, the indians are still in existence, so to say those victims of previous Holocausts are "basically wiped out" is completing ignoring the facts.
Second: This Holocaust has not repeated itself because the Israeli's have defended their country and done so well, just look up the 6 day war as an example.
Yes Israel is attacked daily by what are often ineffective attacks. Occasionally one of them hits a buidling and a few people die, but that is far from being a reoccurrance of the holocaust. Plus Israel kills many more people than the amount of thier people that get killed, so where is this holocaust reoccurring that you say that you have 'facts' about?
So, by your logic, having rockets lobbed at you on a daily basis is just fine and dandy, as long as only "some" die? That isn't even worthy of a response. If someone were attacking YOUR home and "just missing" your children, you would just sit back and let them or would you fight back making sure they understood that by firing rockets at you, THEY would lose far more than it was worth?
The fact that you cannot even see the picture on the site and continue to call me "sir" says basically all that is needed to say about your skills of observation.
Once again, I repeat, just because you "claim" not be an anti-semite, doesn't mean you aren't one.
Your continued denial about the danger of history repating itself, your comparison of the Holocaust to history completely unrelated and your comments about Israeli's sovereign "right" to protect and defend itself, is EXACTLY the arguments used BY the anti-semite.
Words and actions Sir show you to be what you are, depsite your shallow attempt to deny it.
People, such as you, that continue to deny what is right in front of them, like the President of Iran, are the reason that the Jewsih people cannot simply live in peace as they wish to.
Last but not least:One madman named Hitler told the world what he was going to do in a book called Mein Kampf and he was ignored until he delivered on his promises, causing World War II and by ignoring, excusing or trying to distract from the FACT that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has issued those same desires PUBLICLY, show that you are willing to watch history repeat itself instead of stepping in BEFORE such actions can occur.
Later today, after running my erreands, I will list links and quotes, public quotes made by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, documented, spread around the world, and in case you did not know,according to international law, that is called "inciting genocide".
Closing your eyes and refusing to see these things,does not mean they do not exist.
By saying that the native americas were 'wiped out' means that there were too few of them to even fight back anymore. They were strategicly defeated. They lost all right and soveriegnty to thier own lands and for all intents and purposes they have basically been forgotten about ever since.
I have never once claimed that Israel doesn't have a right to exist. You are attempting to use false claims against me now. I do believe that Israel has every right to exist, and every right to defend itself. My initial claim was that we (the US) should no longer fund Israel because they are more than capable of doing taking care of themselves. Take your own example of the 6-day war to prove this point.
As far as calling you sir, I followed a link directly to this article and I see no picture of you on that particular page. I sincerely apologise if calling you sir by mistake has caused you any grief. I was merely trying to be polite, though you once again used this as an opportunity to take a cheap shot at me for no apparent reason.
I do know the things that the president of Iran has said regarding Israel. I also know that he has repeatedly made claims against Israel that could incite genocide. However, if Iran ever attacked Israel then most likely the same results would occur as during the 6 day war. I am definately no prophet, but that would be my guess. Yes he is a bad guy, I agree. I have never 'not agreed' on this fact. I will never 'not agree' on this fact.
Let me ask you this. Do you support the U.S. first second and third in your heart? Or do you support other nations before the US. My point that I have been trying to make is to pull back on the support to those nations in the middle east. Primarily Israel since they recieve the majority of international funds, but along with that all other middle eastern nations should be cut down as well or even stopped altogether.
If they want to fight it out at that point then fine. But unless they can get along with each other, there will be a genocide of one side or the other eventually. By giving them money, all we are doing is delaying the inevitable. It's sad, but true.
And to answer your other question, yes I would fight back if others launched rockets at me. I never said that I wouldn't or that others shouldn't, but sorry to say, those are not my kids over there living in that particular country so I really don't care. Again, I am just putting my kids, and my country first. Sorry...
Supporting and funding someone elses war for thier country is completely disreputable especially when it does not directly affect our own national security but instead hurts it. Yes I know that if Israel would somehow be defeated, then things may change, but automatically believing that this will happen and that history will repeat itself only serves to disillusion reality and replace that reality with prophecy. I am sure that you are also not a prophet are you?
Anyway, this conversation has go
Bruce, those rockets are aimed at democracy. You would deny funds to a tiny Nation surrounded by Islam?
It's my opinion that using the American Indian as an analogy doesn't work here. We have no one calling for the destruction of the American Indian. We have no one denying the Crusades.
We must honor the Holocaust because people died, not that many years ago, for simply not being Aryan enough. We cannot forget it or ignore it. We must teach it so that it never happens again.
Holocaust survivors have had no special rite - they have nightmares. Surely you do not think they would not trade their history to rid themselves of the permanently tatoo'd Nazi numbers on their arms?
Israel is the best investment America can make toward freedom. You can certainly see that Germany does not come to our aid, France does not come to our aid. What hypocritical allies they turned out to be. On top of trying to cover up Oil for Food, they are shaking in their boots over the mess they are in with their own Muslim population.
All of this happening this current day is tied together. If you Google around, you'll find lots of research about the sad fates of many who have gone before us, of all ethnic persuasions. Wake-up American is addressing today. Most of us cannot tolerate living in yesterday - and in the whole perspective of history, the Holocaust, perpetuated by German Nazis, is still today. When eye witnesses are alive, it's still today.
Maggie
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Well, well said Maggie.
Heading out for a while again but I could not have put it any better than you did.
We MUST continue to offer any support whatsoever to any country fighting for its survival and freedom.
"We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."... John F. Kennedy
Maggie understands this, too bad, so many others simply cannot.
this is horrific.
the twin experiment made me sick to my stomach.
same here annette. Welcome to Wake up America
I am from AMSTERDAM, My parants hyde in the last years of the war an Jewes mama and Clair here dougther, afther the war I worked with an between Jewes people, we made money to gether we laught to gether and we buryd friends to gether, where I live now I mis them every dayfor their humor and joy de vivre, I know what happened to them, I never can find the words to describe my feelings. Wath desturbs me is that on this moment Jews are living in Germany even in Poland and Russia, that I can not understand, and their are all the time more who going to live there, yes I know we must forgive, and pardon
é but, I thout it was an bigger burden, the admosfere and feeling, mabe I am not realistic enough, but we van Amsterdam are humanistic foes.
Thanks for this. Holocaust denial is one of the things that makes me most upset too. A good friend of mine is a survivor of Mengeles twin experiments and i have twice visited Auschwitz with her and have spent a lot of time studying this subject to know the masses of evidence that exists. It is very disturbing that people can actually ignore all of that. And I agree it is very scary that the leader of a country today is among those. So many people in the middle east can't imagine Jews having been such victims People don't want to recognize their "enemies" as human or deserving of sympathy so psychologically they are set up to not believe, and if intellectually they are not provided with the facts.... That is why I have donated to the USHMMs ongoing project to translate their excellent website into Middle Eastern languages. They have got letters from people who for the first time believe it really happened and are beginning to have some kind of understanding. The Internet can spread hate but it also can be a powerful force for truth and breaking barriers.
Thank you ariane. It is important for people to remember the history so it is not repeated.
ALL I HAVE TO SAY TRULLY IS JUST WOW I GOT SPEECH LESS. THEY NEVER TOLD ME THIS IS SCHOOL!!!!
all can say is wow
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