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Wesley Clark is a well known radical left wing cuckoo who has anti-American leanings and is a total liar. The fact that Obama made him an advisor is damning to Obama's judgement and good sense.
He could also have said John McCain showed incredible strength of character, courage, and loyalty to his men when he refused to leave the Hanoi Hilton because of them. He withstood years of torture, mistreatment and pain from his injuries and he withstood it all. To describe him as "sitting" in his airplane is to trivialize the risks he took and the consequences to him personally.
Wesley Clark is not fit to shine John McCain's shoes.
i strongly agree with general clark. how could he (mccain) have been an outstanding military leader. He spent almost 5-6 years in captivity. after he was released. did he not get out of the military. there have been plenty of other veterans who have been pows'. i have not seen them applying for the office of POTUS. i say this as a fellow veteran, also why has john mccain used chairman mao as an example, in his speeches. i happen to work at a veterans' hospital and have had several pows as patients, i have the first time to here them talk about their captivity and use hitler, hashimoto, cho en lai or any of them as a papable. to me mccain is the brainwashed manchurian candidate, it will certainly come out if he is elected. why has the media not challenged him on his source of reference? i am going back to research the times i heard him refer to mao. some on the right accuse his challenger of being a marxist. should n't they also look more closely into mccain's background.
The notion that Clark, given his demonstrated incompetence and unvarnished political bias, would have the unmitigated gall to demean John McCain's service record is beyond insanity. This sleazy action was taken, without any doubt, as a surrogate for Obama and only serves to underscore the reprehensible tactics of the Obama campaign. Welcome to the "new politics" and say hello to the audacity of hyprocacy.
And yet, Paul, the koolaid drinkers and sheeple will continue in their obstinate blindness, worshipping their false idol BHO as the new messiah--a wet behind the ears, no experience, marxist loving wannabe crook. liar, racist and thief.
Gee, Yvonne, maybe because he's trying to show all you sheeple drinking the koolaid just what BHO is--you just refuse to listen and instead choose to cherry pick what you want to hear and then distort it. Like the 100 years in Iraq comment. Betcha don't know the ENTIRE comment nor its context, do you? Betcha think the MoveOn.org ad with Alex is pretty cool, huh? Thinking, of course, there's still a draft and men who serve with honor are to be ridiculed because they forsake the easy way out of their captivity rather than exploit their family standings.
You don't write like a vet nor make yourself understandable as a vet. Unless you suffered severe brain trauma, I have to call shenanigans on you. I know too many true vets, with and without brain trauma, who make more sense than you do and any vet voting for BHO simply doesn't give a damn about the country. It really is that simple.
Unbelievable.
Ok, let me get this straight. McCain has none of the experience of things like "ordering the bombs to fall", etc. and that disqualifies him for a position where he might have to do that. But Obama, with even less experience in the Senate than McCain and NO experience in foreign affairs or anything else for that matter, is qualified??? I've spoken to military men who think Clark is an idiot and I'm beginning to believe them.
Clark has a legitimate point - McCain's service does not qualify him to be President. Barack does not have to apologize for anything Clark said. We are all sensitive to the fact McCain was a POW but I believe it makes him 81 years old instead of 71 years, 5 1/2 years in captivity has taken it's toll on him. It is just too late for him to apply for the Presidency.
I have a different perspective entirely. McCain's service and having been a POW may not qualify him to conduct a war, but it does suggest that he will understand the horror's of war and be reluctant to enter one. All his rhetoric aside. there is no way to know how he will act in time of crises. My recollection (counter-examples of course abound) is that hawks become lambs as they age.
The fact that McCain has overstated the relevancy of his military service proves that he has nothing else to campaign with. He just happened to be a youth during a terror epoch, which makes him a victim- rather than a hero. If Obama was to be 71 years old he would have more interesting war stints. Anybody above 71 is supposed to be retired from public service.
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Very mature, very civil. I'm glad you keep taking this route Republicans...you will lose so badly with this negative campaigning.
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Come on. The media is all abuzz that Clark had the gall to challenge that McCain's being shot and held as a POW qualifies him to be President. Give me a break. Where was their disgust when Kerry's medals FROM combat were challenged? Listen to the context of Clark's comment. I am totally lost here that flying a jet and getting shot down makes one qualified to be President of the United States. There is no demeaning of that experience. There is no statement that he was not tortured. Or that is was a horrific experience. Or even that it took a tremendous amount of courage to get through it. Of course, we NEVER mention that McCain caved and signed documents admitting to war crimes. There were plenty of others who did NOT and are not running for President.
Personally, I think there is more to being qualified to be president than having been shot down and tortured. Like say, being intelligent (note that McCain was the bottom five of his class at the Navy Academy, and JOKES about it).
First I think it was extremely ill-advised to go after McCain on this issue. Compare experiences:
Obama McCain
Graduate of Graduate of the Ivy Naval Academy
League
No wartime Severed with
experience distinction in
Vietnam
Served in the Senate
since 2005 Since 1986
I can clearly see Clark's point that Obama is a tested and qualified, more so than McCain! The change obama speaks about is more of the same old politics. Obama offers the nation nothing, no experience and no hope!
I am sorry the columns I used in my last post did not get posted correctly, but I think you can see the point I was making.
http://securingamerica.com/node/2993
GENERAL WESLEY CLARK: But Barack is not, he is not running on the fact that he has made these national security pronouncements. He's running on his other strengths. He's running on the strengths of character, on the strengths of his communication skills, on the strengths of his judgment. And those are qualities that we seek in our national leadership.
Clark said: "Well, I don't think RIDING in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president."
McCain was shot down on a COMBAT MISSION WHILE "PILOTING" A SINGLE SEAT A-4 SKYHAWK.
By making such a statement Obama through his surrogate and senior military adviser Wesley Clark demeans and diminishes the courage and contribution of the brave pilots of America's military aircraft on combat missions. I'm pretty sure they see themselves as more than RIDING in their aircraft. I sure do.
Ask yourself: Is "PILOTING a military fighter aircraft on a combat mission" equivalent to "RIDING" in an fighter plane.
Has Obama ever seen grown men crying and praying together before bravely getting in their fighter planes for a "RIDE" much less BEEN ONE OF THEM?
clark youdon t need be in the usa
JP - you would be well advised to read and follow this campaign. Character and judgement?? Is that what Obama demonstrated when he PLEDGED to AGRESSIVELY pursue campaign and then reneged on that pledge? His excuse was idiotic -- those mean old Republicans will use 527 money against me. Did Obama NOT KNOW that when he made his pledge to use public financing??? Or -- are you speaking of his character and judgement when he made sweetheart land deals in Chicago with KNOWN RACKETEERS that donated to his campaigns?? This is NEW POLITICS?? Only his momma could be that naive. Give us a break!!!!
I am no fan of General Clark but he is right when he states that being shot down in no qualification to be President. The development of McCains leadership may have started in the military but he was never anything more than a junior officer and had received no executive level leadership experience while he served. He should certainly be proud of his service but being "shot down" is not an act of heroism, it is screwing up. Completing the mission and returning to the ship would be heroic. Not to deminish his acheivements and his fortitude for what he endured but do not make it something that it is not. Mr. Obama has absolutely nothing to offer this country but sound bites, false notions and failed policies of the past (to quote a sound bite.) Mike
He was right!!!!
The thought that McCain should be present because he was a war hero is ancient. This is not Rome or the last Great Empire. Our leaders should be the ideals of today. Today's America has to be one of great innovation and technology. A Unitedx States that leads the world in economic, envioremental, and social issues should be led by an smart leader and not a war hawk!
Clark is not attacking McCain's service, he's questioning the logic that being a POW somehow makes you a foreign policy expert.
And he's being attacked for pointing out the obvious.
What else can't be questioned? Does being a POW mean you're qualified to do brain surgery? Or teach physics? Or play concerto piano? Because these hardly make any less sense.
I believe the media and others are missing one of the most important elements of this story. I am a Wes Clark fan -- have been so since 2004. He is calm and deliberative in his logic. His comments on Sunday (and earlier) deserve respectful debate, because they go to a very important issue -- the true executive military experience of the man who wishes to be Commander In Chief (McCain). That is a fair and, I believe, even noble question given the mess we are currently in as the world's superpower. However, he raises the bar for his candidate as well -- Senator Obama. What is fair for one is fair for the other. The Republicans should see this as an opportunity on two fronts: (1) If McCain's military experience is inadequate, then Obama's is truly non-existent; and (and I believe #2 is the most important issue because it goes to the character Senator Obama) (2) Senator Obama was given a free pass during the primary season by the media when using campaign surrogates to raise thorny issues about his opponent (Clinton, i.e. her experience in the White House, her honesty and truthworthiness, her campaign playing the race card, etc., etc.), while Obama the candidate stayed above the fray. I believe Admiral Smith's comments about "having the guts" to (paraphrasing the admiral) do the dirty work is a gem. And that issue is where the media should be concentrating. Will Obama have the moral courage and wisdom to support Clark or will he wishy wash his way out of Clark's comment, while at the same time continue to enjoy the fallout of the validity of the question itself? I will finally have some respect for Obama if he can own up to Clark's comments and defend and argue them -- but then, of course, he will need to defend his own empty resume on the military issue. If not, then the great potential agent of change is nothing but a showman, and the American people had better wise up fast! Thank you General Clark!!
Sure, ask Clark how that Bosnia thing went for him. By the way, he was fired by Bill.
Obama's judgement sucks. Real estate deals with someone under investigation by the Feds. Going to that hate filled "church" for 20 years. Association with Ayers. The list goes on. Not to mention the flip-flops. He will tell you what you want to hear, not what he thinks. He is a politian.
Where is everybody getting the idea that McCain thinks he should be POTUS based purely on his military experience? He is bringing a lot more to the table than Obama.
The Folly of Hope.
“It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth—and listen to the song of that syren, till she transforms us into beasts.” —Patrick Henry
Although I will vote for Obama, I disagree with the timing of Clark
’s input, and the McCain campaign has a slam-dunk opportunity to respond effectively. Obama and the DNC need to get organized and quiet all these sloppy statements from loosely and closely associated people.
While Clark
’s comments are sensible and easily arguable, they are poorly timed and poorly thought out - particularly in light of the recent thinking point on arrogance that is being injected into the mindless and mis-informed demographic. As we know, this demographic is large and fat, as evidenced by their fearless leader driving our bus for the last 8 years (sailor boy outfit and lollipop in mouth). One has to assume that if there is any calculation behind Clark’s comments, it is to get the “hero suitability” stuff out of the way and get to the real issues. If not, it is a fat pitch for the McCain campgain to knock out of the park and chant “hypocrisy” as we watch the ball fly over the “media networks” for the next few days.
I
’d much rather see someone that is uncomfortable or impossible to associate with Obama comment - like Chuck Hagel. Or perhaps George Carlin… who said that if God did not want us to *****b@te, he would have made us with shorter arms. Clearly McCain is not one of God’s creatures in this respect.
"He's running on his other strengths. He's running on the strengths of character, on the strengths of his communication skills, on the strengths of his judgment. And those are qualities that we seek in our national leadership."
Oh really? We?
You don't speak for me.
Number one quality nobama has is being able to read the teleprompter, without it he stumbles and mumbles. Number two quality, he is a first class polished liar which makes him a good politician and a typical Demorat. Number three is his ability to say anything to anybody and come off as some sort of hero. In reality he is a master of double speak and fabrication.
Although I will vote for Obama, I disagree with the timing of Clark
’s input, and the McCain campaign has a slam-dunk opportunity to respond effectively. Obama and the DNC need to get organized and quiet all these sloppy statements from loosely and closely associated people.
While Clark
’s comments are sensible and easily arguable, they are poorly timed and poorly thought out - particularly in light of the recent thinking point on arrogance that is being injected into the mindless and mis-informed demographic. As we know, this demographic is large and fat, as evidenced by their fearless leader driving our bus for the last 8 years (sailor boy outfit and lollipop in mouth). One has to assume that if there is any calculation behind Clark’s comments, it is to get the “hero suitability” stuff out of the way and get to the real issues. If not, it is a fat pitch for the McCain campgain to knock out of the park and chant “hypocrisy” as we watch the ball fly over the “media networks” for the next few days.
I
’d much rather see someone that is uncomfortable or impossible to associate with Obama comment - like Chuck Hagel. Or perhaps George Carlin… who said that if God did not want us to greet the bishop, he would have made us with shorter arms. Clearly McCain is not one of God’s creatures in this respect.
Logical questions never hurt anyone. I agree with Clark. All things should be considered about McCain and how sound will his decisions be. He was a POW or some say a criminal of war. I don't know, but I would like to know before the election. Good luck in your campaign.
To Mike who said: "I have a different perspective entirely. McCain's service and having been a POW may not qualify him to conduct a war, but it does suggest that he will understand the horror's of war and be reluctant to enter one."
One would think that that would be the case. It is not. McCain is my Senator and before the Iraq war I wrote letter after letter to him, imploring him to help stop the march to war. He wrote back every time saying that this war was necessary and he fully supported it. And he has been talking lately about bombing Iran. So he is lover of war. What most people don't realize is that many people have made billions of dollars off these wars at the expense of the lives of our soldiers and the taxpayers. And I think McCain is one of those people. I have little respect for him.
The point is a good one. I haven't been particularly convinced that McCain is a foreign policy expert based on his proposed policies themselves. I would prefer the media to take the attention off of the narrative they've concocted for this (the scrappy, cantankerous old-timer with his feet on the ground versus the dreamy, idealistic up-and-comer with his head in the clouds) and start focusing on the meat of the candidates' proposals.
Moreover, rather than focusing solely on the experience and leanings of the candidates, the media should be focusing on the experience and leanings of their advisers. The President will not be conceiving and implementing any of his ideas by himself. He's going to be kicking them around with these people and probably getting half of the good ones from them anyway.
It's not just the fact that McCain's plane was shot down, resulting in McCain spending 5 years in a prison camp ... it's the fact that McCain, being the son of an Admiral, could have gotten early release ... but, being a man of 'real character', McCain chose to spend addition years as a prisoner, in order to be fair to his fellow prisoners. This depth of character, honor, and commitment to America is what separates John McCain by a country mile from weak men, who are all talk, like Barrack Obama, or Wesley Clark.
This was my comment to Gary who had a similar post at http://garyfouse.blogspot.com/
I have no qualms about questioning General Clarks miltary service; not one bit!
There is no question that there are members of the military that are not fit to serve even those who attain higher rank and make it through the twenty plus years to retirement.
Having donated twenty-one years of my life to the same branch as Clark, I was in position to witness the smart-ass lazy types who took advantage of the system for personal gain. Not ever staioned with Clark does not take away that umbrage...he fits the picture. Clark is 'book-smart' with no common sense. He obviously played the politics game to get where he's at. I could give you examples of officers that I knew personally that played the same game (I should not exclude enlisted men for I also knew some of them smart-ass lazy types).
I knew one Captain who's daddy paid for his professional degree that readilly admitted the service was a good place for him to get ahead because he was no good at his profession (the enlisted men did all his dirty work and the good work that made the Capt. look good). Suffice it to say, I followed this guy's career and sure enough he retired at full-bird colonel. There were many of these types including the two officers who wrote each other's meritorious service medal for making it to work in a snow storm. Hey, why not! The more decorations the more promotions. General Clark was all of this and more and I don't have to be his general's aide to say so!
Andre - you are clearly moron. The notion that being a war hawk is a disqualifier is genuinely insane. Crawl back into your little liberal cave and leave politics to those with reasonable intelligence.
Paul....really????
I guess you are going to make the case that a person that can't even use a computer is better for the country? A person that is looked at as a war hawk AROUND THE WORLD is better for our country. *censor*
Stop drinking the kool-aid guy.....
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Wes Clark said something that many people think.
I go even further and wonder how McCain every made it as far as Senator.
He is not all that smart and being shot down during a war doesn't make you a HERO.
I can think of over 4,000 troops who have served in Iraq in the last several years and never made it back which is sad, but would every one of them be suited to be President?
I think not!
Why not go all the way and have our president make public appearances in uniform and rattle off a few rounds from his machine gun to get people's attention.
C'mon repubs, as much as you would like it to be the 19th century, it is actually the 21st. The last thing we need is a senile president who spends most of his time bumbling about his days as a POW.
The best defense that McCain can provide is that he knows the horrors of war and would do everything possible to avoid them. Unfortunately, psychology tells us that those that we abused are the most likely to abuse others....
So many are taking issue with what was said about Sen. McCain's military experience and its relevancy to the presidency. I believe that Gen. Clark also said that Sen. Obama did not bring experience to the table either. Why do the Republicans see this as lopsided unless they are afraid that if people see this is the only selling point of their campaign, they will lose the election.
Wes Clark did not question John McCains's military service, nor did he question his honor, patriotism, bravery, dedication, nor even his ability to lead the country. His comments relate only to McCain's qualifications in Foreign policy based specifically and solely on that military experience. Would I be qualified to be the CEO of GM because I once survived a car crash? I might well be qualified, but that wouldn't be the reason.
“The real issue is this. Who would you rather have in charge of the defense of the United States of America, a group of people who never served a day overseas in their life, or a guy who served his country honorably and has three Purple Hearts and a Silver Star on the battlefields of Vietnam?”
Okay Obama lovers - who said it?
Oh, it was Howard Dean when Kerry was running. Strange how things change when it doesn't apply to a Dem.
By the way Kerry, when will you release your service records so the fine folks can see exactly how you got those medals Howard Dean mentioned. We have been asking for years and years. Do you have something to hide?
If medals were important then, why not now? John McCain was awarded the Silver Star, Legion of Merit, two Bronze Star Medals, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross.
My vote is for McCain because I don't want to live under socialism.
I don't see the quotes here as anything to get upset about. In fact, in a cool headed way, I'd agree with his statements. Getting shot down from a plane has nothing to do with being qualified for ANYTHING other having the luck to survive such a horrible affair. As far as understanding ones opponent and making sound judgements, well that's obvious. What seems to be at play here is whether or not these very 'patriotic' and militaristic deeds play into the way McCain would like to spin them as presidential qualifications.
My 2 cents' worth:
Being shot down from a plane may not be relevant, but I'm thinking 5 years as a POW, surrounded by enemies who wreak harm and psychological crap on McCain, has to have prepared and equipped him for a life in Washington. Ditto for foreign diplomacy matters. Same bullshit, different time and place.
Enemies, foreign AND domestic, anyone?
I sit and try to figure out what you Obama fans think he has accomplished in his political career to qualify him to be President -- what just because he's black. We have a radical who sits and listens for 20 years to a "preacher" preaching hatred of whites and America, friends with Flegler, a "wannabee" and radical people like Ayres. He has two beautiful children and is for abortion at any time. He knows absolutely nothing about foreign policy. He's going to change our country okay, it will certainly not be a democracy but definite socialism or marxism. He would make a great car salesman.
Dear General Clark,
I am ashamed of the person you have become.
Walker
Obama's willingness to engage in Mafia-style hit jobs like this one with Clark...should give some of his supporters pause to actually think instead of riding blindly on the Obama Happy Hour Choo Choo.....
For all his talk and all his "new politics"...it sure feels like the "old politics" to me....what's the difference?
McCain is not my favorite guy and certainly FAR too liberal for my preference....but this high school level of trash-talking about McCain's INDIDSPUTABLE experience over Obama...is ULTRA-LOW
I Live in denmark, and I find it hard to believe that, you people make a big deal out of McCanes pow statues.He is not the first person to be a pow.And is that what makes him qualify to be President? What about all your past Preseidents,does that mean they were POWs before they became Presidents ? I just find it strange that you people make a very big deal out of that.and a topic that no one dires to criticise.I believe that Gen. Wesley Clark is right.
It seems it is the only good topic topic about Mr.McCane(War Hero)that does not make him experience man to be President just because of that.I dont suport any one of the candidate, but very much interested in American politics,but tired of that war hero and experience thing.And Gen.Clark is a man I really have admired and have alots of respect for especially during his nato period.That is the man with war experience.
I thought Clark was a decent man until yesterday. Now I know he's a "wanna be" who who just wants your money. Hope Gertrude, his wife, slapped his rear end. Shame on you, Wesley Clark!
"Anybody above 71 is supposed to be retired from public service.
Wilfred | 06.30.08 - 8:18 am | "
What kind of thing is this to say about ANYONE? Funny how those who are supposedly "sensitive" to other forms of prejudice and bias - somehow stop thinking once their victims have reached a "magic age" when they no longer have rights to work or contribute to their world....
This comment reminds me why I am no longer a Democrat....the hypocritical thinking, selective application of morality and values is way to much to tolerate.
You gonna discuss the topic or be a total ass?
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Just what is patriotism? Really. On the right, you might say- "Serving your country", on the left you might say- "Freedom of Speech". Are they both wrong? The point is... We have Patriots on both sides of the isle. It's ridiculous how 'low brow' and one sided this country is becoming.
Whaddya mean, Will D? It's called "unity", Obama style. You ain't seen nothing yet, I am sure.
I notice that this blog post doesn't mention the fact that the words Clark used were actually Bob Schieffer's words.
Schieffer first observed that Obama hadn't "ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down."
Clark then said, simply, "I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president."
He was responding directly and clearly to Schieffer's statement.
And in fact, Clark is correct. Riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is not a qualification to be president.
Why is this statement in any way controversial?
I note that Clark did not insult, impugn, question, or challenge McCain's military service. He did not peddle phony charges that McCain's medals were wrongly awarded. He did not suggest that McCain's wartime experiences were exaggerated or fraudulent.
He simply made an indisputably true observation:
Riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is not a qualification to be president.
Clark has proven one major problem I think in this election and that is distorting the facts. No being a POW does not make McCain qualified to be President. Graduating from the Naval Academy, severing as a fighter pilot shows patriotism. Being a POW and refusing an early release as the son of an Admiral shows leadership and commitment. These are characteristics of an individual that are proven by these events. No, one of these events does not make him qualified, but it’s the combination of them that has an impact. In terms of foreign policy I think McCain's time in the Senate and experiences with foreign heads of state trumps Obama's experience.
As far as the charges that being shot down is simply a condition of messing up read "Going Downtown" by Broughton and read a first hand account of what the pilots were up against. Might I add what a Democratic White House put or soldier against.
MaximusNYC and others
McCain was not "riding" in a fighter plane. He was the pilot and he was going through enemy fire. A lot different than "riding" in a fighter plane.
Wasnt OILY Clark who postualted about the WAR REcord of JON EFFEN CARRY When he was politicking for some part of the Kerry Admin... This MORON of aREID trained WEASEL is adisgrace to MILITARY MEN and WOMEN...
Or is it still Hacking to Smudge Mc Cain on behalf of Barry the HO who can then claim that he was "pure" of Attacks??????
And WHO was it that "REMOVED" OILY as Commander of Nato??? WHY none other than Bill The FELON...
Maximus and Denmark--
Certainly being shot down in war does not qualify one to be POTUS. However, the character demonstrated by McCain after captures does warrant our complete attention. His years of public service and his character certainly outweigh the empty rhetoric and no experience that Obama brings to the table. Like his ideas or not, Obama is an empty suit whose who only apparent talent is oratorical. Add that to his acceptance, then denial, of public financing, his association with known criminals and hatemongers, and you have an empty suit that simply outweighs meaningless rhetoric.
Knowing absolutely nothing of world security and the demands placed on the young men and women of this nation, I seriously doubt that a Danish citizen could provide any insight that would be worthy of examining. His contribution to this discussion make about as much sense as Maximus' notion that McCain was only "riding" in a jet fighter. That kind of ridiculous statement along with an inability to name ANY kind of experience for Obama does not deserve the dignity of a response.
"I think his remarks about McCain are disparaging ones to say the least. "
And? After what the GOP did to trash Max Cleland, John Kerry, and John Murtha, you're the last ones who should be complaining about what someone says about John McCain.
Don't take my word for it, with regard to his record, however. Look it up for yourself. He nearly flunked out of the naval academy, in spite of the fact that he was supposed to become the first 3rd gen admiral in the US navy, he had a nasty habit of crashing the navy's planes, he surrendered to the enemy after flying only roughly 20 missions in Vietnam, he immediately offered information far beyond the requirements of the Geneva Conventions, in order to spare his own tail, and then he sat in a POW camp for 5-1/2 years, instead of trying to escape, as is the SOP for a captured soldier. THAT is a hero? Please.
Max Cleland fell on a grenade to save his buddies, and lost three limbs in the process. John Kerry ran straight into enemy fire in order to kill the attackers who were trying to kill his men. John Murtha volunteered to serve in Vietnam, and received numerous medals for his service, including a bronze star and two purple hearts.
Yet, each of these TRUE, BONIFIED American war heroes were eviscerated and villified by the GOP. Disgusting. Absolutely, unforgivably disgusting.
And, who do you hold up as heroes in their absence? A pathetic coward that got his daddy to keep him out of Vietnam by landing him a cushy appointment in the TANG, from which he went AWOL rather than finishing his term of committment.
A corrupt politicial marine who violated constitutional law and the conspired to obstruct justice after the fact, by shredding documents.
And, a man who graduated nearly dead last in his class at the naval academy, destroyed 5 of the navy's planes, and then promptly surrendered and carried out the very basic human instinct of self preservation for the next 5-1/2years.
*censored*
Of course. Gen. Clark is a decorated American war hero who disagrees with booshie, so he's obviously supposed to be villified.
Clark Kent
Back up your claims of surrender and the rest of your bullshit--with true, verifiable sources--or you will be deleted.
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cLARK
oily clark iS NOTHING BUT A wANNA bE pOLITICAL h aq c k AND A dISGRACE TO THE uniform!!! mAY BE YOU SHOULD CONSIDER uNMASKING YOURSELF AND SHOW UP AS bARRY OF ho ANOTHER iMPERSONATOR...
McCain doesn't go on touting his military experience, that's what makes him different. His son i s currently in Iraq risking his life and he doesn't tout that. Unlike Kerry who always had to throw out there that he was a Vietnam vet, McCain doesn't state his service for political effect. His campaign advisors have lashed out at the liberal slams on his service, that he's a victim, not a hero, but not McCain himself. Name one time in this campaign when McCain gave a speech touting his military experience as a big political plus. He has to much class and he is still surely hurt from the memories of his ordeal. Would the democrats say "because JFK was asleep at the wheel of the boat he commanded and was rammed and sunk by a Japanese destroyer" he was no hero as well? I'm sure Clark would say "riding in a boat that gets sunk doesn't qualify you for president". The arguments are so idiotic by you people.
By the way, has Jack Murtha appologized to the Haditha soldiers yet? The difference between a liberal war heroes and a real war heroes. Jack Murtha & John Kerry or Jimmy Stewart, Audie Murphy, Sgt. Alvin York -- Real heroes! You don't label men in your military fraternity murderers before they are given a fair trial *especially when they are later exonerated). What a disgrace!
Read this about Max Cleland; http://www.nationalreview.com/
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John Kerry is a liar; http://
www.realclearpolitics.com..._and_the_n.html
Murtha is a liar; http://www.cnsnews.com/
viewspeci...e20060113a.html and more here; http://www.theodoresworld.net/
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Clark Kent, you need to go back to your phone booth and change into your pink tutu's with "Super Moron" blazed across the front.
Murtha Needs A Swift KICK IN THE MOUTH ... and A boot up his ample arse.. and then a Butt of a rifle in the Jaw... That MORON needs to be OUTSTED!!!
i think all this proves that McCain is neither a war hero nor a prisoner of war(POW). He is currently a victim of war(VOW).He only deserves ordinary pension and free medical services.
Back it up wilfred--prove he wasn't a POW. And it better be a true, verifiable source and not a koolaid waystation.
Now, for the rest of you blind moonbats here, while McCain's sercvice doesn't necessarily qualify him for CIC, what in the blue blazes of hell make you think BHO is anywhere NEAR as qualified as McCain? McCain's service in the beltway wipes BHO all over the map.
Can any of you blind, koolaid drinking sheeple come up with one TRUE qualification BHO has to lead this country? Hell, we can't even verify the sob is a true US citizen. So what if he's 35--what other qualifications, hard fast qualifications does this jerk have?
Quit the damn spinning your webs of lies, deceit and smoke and mirrors and come up with something substantive. Otherwise, STFU and STFD.
Wilfgred
YOU PITYFUL MORON... All you prove is that when brains were passed out you were Absent from the line...
As much as I feel horrible for the pain and suffering McCain endured in VN he cannot hold a candle to the accomplishments of Wesley Clark. McCain never worked hard for anything while Clark excellled and worked for his goals. He was valedictorian at West Point - Rhodes Scholar(where he got a degree in economics, politics & philosophy) - came home from VN with his body riddled with bullets - Silver Star - then went on to become the Supreme Allied Commander Europe. He has more commendations, awards and honors than 10 men. Always in the top of his classes the man is outstanding. But America rejected him for "sound bites" - no wonder we cannot get anyone decent to run for office. All this BS about an opinion and a correct one at that - being a POW does not mean you can command a country. As we all know from Mr Bush it takes knowledge of foreign affairs & economics.
This is one stupid, silly country.
OILY Clark was about to Start WWlll in Kosove when he wanted to open fire on Russian Troops and the British officer whom Clark wanted to open fire REFUSED... and Clark was RElieved of Duty by Clinton and the Army chief.. NOW that is a demented Idiot who has the audacity to come out of the Loon Cesspool and dare to question others abilities???
GIMME A BREAK, Clark is nothing but a hack panderinmg ASS HOLE!
Wes Clark is a stalking horse. He's too stupid to be president, but the Liberals think his title gives him grip when he speaks out on anything related to the military or defense.
Look no further than B-HO's 'Truman' speech to see why Clark said what he said. Any attack on B-HO's patriotism or lack of service will now be shaped by B-HO because they did it first and His Eminence decried it.
It's a preventive strike.
Clever....
clark is a clinton rump swab who was never in harms way now he is a obami rump swab who never was in harms way.
Clark is nothing but a pre programmed POTTED PINK GERANIUM from the Barry of Ho house of ill repute!
Wilfred I don't know what kind of a fucking brainless idiot you are but you had better bring proof of your statement or get your sorry ass out of here.
I was on my last nerve with leftist dipshits until I read your insanity and now my patience is gone.
You want to get into a pissing match bring it on dickhead.
You and the rest of the neurotic reprobates have much to answer for, so come on you insignificant snivelling coward...BRING IT.
Then leave Victor--we're tired of you apologists. This post was about weasel's comments about mccain, not weasel's experience (including trying to start WWIII on his own).
I laid down a challenge--show us what qualifies the sonofabitch BHO for office other than being 35 years old.
Otherwise, YOU STFU and STFD and don't let the door hit you on the way out of this stupid silly country you hate.
Discuss the damn post--and provide the links for your fallacious assertions. Otherwise, leave.
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Another liberal who, when called on the carpet and told to produce sources for his lies, just can't do it. So he turns to the usual response--attack those demanding answers. And he can't stand it when he is called on the carpet and told, in no uncertain terms, to take his filth elsewhere. We told you we would no longer tolerate stupidity, ignorance or the vile nonsense spewed by the koolaid drinking sheeple and their handlers. Deal with it.
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Get the ASS Holres who take instructions from the Obam anti america blog OUTTAHERE!
Clark Kent
You need to read my comment above "Norm"
Why are you angry and mean spirited Miss Beth?
Seems a lot of you are paranoid of the truth, filled
with fears. Jesus said, "Cast not your pearls before swine." I think he had a point.
Gee Victor, what 'truth' do you mean? Clark saying John Freakin' Kerry's Viet Nam service qualified him to be the prex, or Clark's assertion that J Sidney's did not?
Opinions are like rectums, every body's got one, and yours stinks.
clelland was playing with a grenade and dropped it,live shot kerry never shot any one he is one phony jerk.three purple hearts,no stitches hospital time no scars.like max he played with grenades i think he got a scratch on his ass.guys like Kerry and murtha wrote them selves medals they that they are not entitled to.never mention two fakers in the same sentence as the heroic audie murphy and alvin york.
victor
Seems that a lot of you continue to drink from the polluted cesspool of left ideology.. turn the other cheek to terroristds ot llocally grown socilaists is not what is needed...
Address the topic at hand. Not your personal agenda.
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victor.. get used to it. FREE people stil can expose the truth which is an item that tends to confuse you and your com rats
Is redhawk the husband of the siteowner?
No, the site owner isn't married to redhawk--what's that got to do with the topic?
Now getting back to the very core of the topic,a person does not qualify for the presidency on the basis of military services. Instead, he may be qualified if he uses those experiences to formulate military policies that seek to avert war and create lasting peace for humanity. Heroism is not necessarily the ability to fight, but the ability to protect life.
That is very definitely true, Jovin--and McCain's stand shows he is cognizant of what it will take to secure this nation against threats, foreign and domestic, and he is cognizant of the true nature of those threats. BHO hasn't shown any ability to recognize or comprehend what the threats are, much less how to protect this country. Heroism, in and of itself, is great, but you are correct, is not a sole basis for the presidency--however, having "been there, done that" does prepare someone quite a bit for the trials and tribulations of the office.
To be CIC and gain credibility one needs to be consistant in his beliefs... Obama only consistant belief is to CHNGE his Posdition depending on the Audiemnce that he is addressing.. kind of like a flkag in atornato flopping all over the place...
I am confounded by the BHO apologists. There's no way to think BHO is better prepped than J. Sidney unless you are stuck on stupid.
BHO is INcapacitated to Stick to ONE Policy after he makes it...Some might call it ADD or jusdt plain Lying..
he was shot by friendly fire
Does redhawk type with shoes? I have noted that he accidentaly hits every adjacent key. Anyway why is he allowed so much impunity???
So Jovin,
What, in your comment about military service, makes J. SIDNEY less qualified than B. HUSSEIN?
Jovin
If typing is a guideeline for Intelligence you 'd be a freaking Genuios.. Alas it is not ... Thinking is a guideline and so far you Fail Miserably.. MORON!
Jovin, you got a crush on Red or something? Why don't you worry about the topic and quit obssessing about Red--you sound ridiculous.
Miss B
I seem to ignite the Ire of leftonistas.. I love it when they get Unglued!!!!
Wesley Clark trips all over himself every time he says anything, and does nothing more than make his liberal cohorts look like the power lusting, lying, manipulative flip floppers that they are.
Last go around, Clark crowed endlessly about Kerry
’s service, and how horrible it was that anyone would doubt Kerry’s integrity. He held Kerry up as a hero and ABSOLUTELY advertised his service as a reason why Kerry was fit to be commander in chief.
Now he flip flops right on his face - as he usually does.
Conservatives flip flop from time to time, but they don
’t throw any vet under the bus unless that vet is out there denigrating our troops - like Kerry did.
They are two peas in a pod.
Clark is a disgrace to the uniform and it
’s a tragedy our soldiers and vets had to listen to him denigrate their service in such a way.
He had NO reason to even bring the issue up other than to attack something honorable about another man.
What a truly stupid man he is.
Danny Vice
http://www.theweeklyvice.com
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