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READ THE FOLLOWING PASSAGES FROM THE BIBLE AS IT HAS IMPLICATIONS ON THE WAR AGAINST TERROR/ISLAM and the claim of Israel that god gave them the land. If the child is an infant than the Judeo-Christian version becomes null and void and we are wasting our time and resources i.e. we could save trillions of dollars and create a more peaceful world rather than fighting against Islam the religion of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all).
The COVENANT with Abraham and his DESCENDANTS is central to JUDAISM/CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM.
Please note this is not a competition between faiths but an attempt to decipher fact from fiction.
Genesis 21:14 Contemporary English version se below link
http://www.biblegateway.com/pass...21;&version=46;
Early the next morning Abraham gave Hagar an animal skin full of water and some bread. Then he put the boy on her shoulder and sent them away.
GENESIS 16:16
And Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of his son, whom Hagar bore, Ish’mael. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ish’mael to Abram.
GENESIS 21:5
Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.
At Genesis 22 Abraham had only 2 sons others came later. The Quran mentions that it was Ishmael that was sacrificed hence the reference in genesis 22:2 your only son can only mean someone has substituted Ishmael names for Isaac!!
BY DOING SOME KINDERGARTEN ARITHMATIC USING ARABIC NUMBERS (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10)
NOT ROMAN NUMERALS (I, II, III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX,X) NB no concept of zero in roman numerals.
100 years old – 86 years old = 14 ADD 3 YEARS FOR ISSAC’S WEANING
THAT WOULD MAKE ISHMAEL 17 YEARS OLD IN GENESIS 21:14-21
BUT IT IS A DESCRIPTION OF AN INFANT.
Carefully read several times the above passage and then tell me the mental picture you get between the mother child interactions what is the age of the child. If the mental picture is that of a 17 year old child being carried on the shoulder of his mother, being physically placed in the bush, crying like a baby, mother having to give him water to drink, than the Islamic viewpoint is null and void. Why is there no verbal communications between mother and (17 YEAR OLD) child?
GENESIS: 21:14 - 21
So Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread and a skin of water, and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, along with the (17 YEAR OLD) child, and sent her away. And she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-Sheba. When the water in the skin was gone, she cast the (17 YEAR OLD) child under one of the bushes. Then she went, and sat down over against him a good way off, about the distance of a bowshot; for she said, “Let me not look upon the death of the (17 YEAR OLD) child.” And as she sat over against him, the (17 YEAR OLD) child lifted up his voice and wept. And God heard the voice of the (17 YEAR OLD) lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven, and said to her, “What
Fact, in ancient days it was the ISRAELI'S that lived in the land now called Israel.
Theres a fact I notice most idiots ignore.
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Um, curious...how could Islam be the religion of Abraham, Moses, and Jesus when Islam didn't make exist until the 7th century?
SIMPLE answer, it couldn't.
Here's a little factoid: Jesus Christ was a Jew. A Hebrew. Lineage of the House of David. Who was David? Why he was the second Jewish King, wasn't he?
Something to think about next time you want to start spouting off about who was a Muslim when they weren't.
Mohammad substituted EVERYTHING Jewish for his made-up religion, including the fable that Ishmael was brought to the alter to be sacrificed. Mohammad copied holy days, rituals...everything he could to convert Jews to his new religion. It didn't work. Only Arabs responded because to follow Mohammed meant to plunder the great wealth and industry that the Jews created. To pillage the Jew's was THE RELIGION.
God (that's with a capital "G") promised Abraham and Sarah a son, Isaac, who was to be THE "covenant" - coming some 11 years (I think) after Ishmael's birth.
The land of Canaan was part of the covenant of God with Abraham. Abraham's lineage was not Arab. He was a descendant of Shem. Hagar, however, was Egyptian (Arab). As pointed out in Hawk's comment, the covenant was with the House of David.
Maggie
Maggie's Notebook
The point here is Iran now has enough nuclear material to make a bomb. It could turn this material into a bomb in a matter of months.
Time is running out for the President to DO SOMETHING. If we do not stop Iran now, with vigorous military action, they will nuke Israel before the end of next year.
They may do so before the end of *this* year. But Bush is still talking diplomacy as a "solution".
The only solution Iran is interested in is the Final Solution of a Second Holocaust.
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