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I do not see why the President and his supporters would not be onboard for getting the funding but also having to bring troops home. I mean, on this blog especially, we have been told over and over how successful the surge has been. Doesn't that mean we can probably start to bring more troops home?

It is obvious that the surge has worked. More troops equalled less violence. So why not start to bring some more troops home now?
Bru | 11.16.07 - 2:37 pm | #

$\"Gravatar\"$ Bru the troops are already coming home in case you missed the news, but it is not up to Congress to dictate military operations to the Generals on the ground NOR announce to our enemies a firm time line.

http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/...m?id=1801072007

The US military confirmed yesterday that the roughly 3,000 soldiers in the 3rd Brigade, 1st Cavalry Division, will not be replaced when they leave the ethnically and religiously mixed province of Diyala, north of Baghdad. The bulk of the brigade will be back at Fort Hood, Texas, by Christmas and some have left already, officials said.

Between January and July, the force is to shrink from 19 brigades to 15. The number of US troops probably will go from 167,000 now to 140,000-145,000 by July, six months before President Bush leaves office.

They are leaving AS the Generals believe they can without losing ground.

So now, YOU answer me, why would the Democrats refuse to acknowledge this and hold the funds HOSTAGE to an arbitrary timeline when the Generals are already making these determinations by observing events on the ground?

Is congress on the ground to be in a better position to make these determinations?

Are THEY generals now with more military knowledge about military operations?

This is a political game they are playing by using the media and lying about what is and isn't happening on the ground, something they are in no position to know compared the commanders that are there.
Spree | Homepage | 11.16.07 - 3:10 pm | #

$\"Gravatar\"$ LFP in my email (he has trouble accessing the site so he gets these posts via my email subscriptions and emails me his comments for me to add for him):

Please post this for me:

The sad state of affairs in the latest Democrat attempt to LOSE the war in Iraq has finally let the cat out of their BAG. this week, on the Senate floor At least One GOP Senator came out telling the Cameras, nobody was there< that the Donkey party has totally sold out to MOVEOn .org and challenged any of the Lunacy Leftoids to come out and debate him on this... well as was to be expected, the Human feces aka known as Reid, Daffy, Schmuckie and company hid under their respective desks and took a sabbatical akin to 90 proof swimming away from \"the Issue\" on Chappaquiddick... but then they return to postulate like a gaggle of Fog horn Longhorns but as always a floating feces is still a TURD and they have many ...Time to Lace them up and keep these MORONS from Harming our Troops!!

LFP
Spree | Homepage | 11.16.07 - 3:13 pm | #

$\"Gravatar\"$ I believe the democrats seek to bring the troops home because that is what a majority of Americans want to happen. This war has no end in sight, it cost far more than anticipated, it has been managed poorly and the military has become strained.

I believe, just as many democrats believe, that they were put into power in Congress to change the direction of this war and begin to draw down and focus on other areas of the world where terrorism is an issue.

You can say the democrats are holding funds hostage or however else you want to spin it, but I'll give them credit for taking a tough stance - it is something many of them have not done in the past.

And no, Congress is not on the ground every day. They take their visits over there and attempt to gain an understanding of what is happening. But no, they are not on the ground. But at the same time, military generals are not the ones who vote on going to war or who vote on funding issues. That is what we have elected officials for. President Bush can stand up there all day and say he's going to listen to the generals on the ground. But at the end of the day, it is up to the politicians to make the decisions that need to be made.

Besides, President Bush was not so good at listening to the generals earlier in the war when they said they needed more troops.
Bru | 11.16.07 - 3:53 pm | #

$\"Gravatar\"$ Latest polls show suuport has risen to 44%, all from a reversal of a three year trend in the latest 6 months...of COURSE the Dems want to force withdrawal, because at the rate of the reversal, without three months, MORE than half of Americans will then support our efforts.

Quit trying to spin Bru, it gets old.

The Democrats are trying to force defeat in the face of recent progress for no other reason than they have bet their political asses on OUR failing.

Try to show some truthfulness for their reasons.
Spree | Homepage | 11.16.07 - 3:56 pm | #

$\"Gravatar\"$ For the record Bru:

http://bp1.blogger.com/_Xn_O-mM2...-h/cnnpolls.jpg

LOOK AT THAT, that was the MANDATE after the 2006 elections Iraq was #4, not number one.

Quit repeating the lies you have heard everywhere and start doing some actual research.
Spree | Homepage | 11.16.07 - 3:57 pm | #

$\"Gravatar\"$ BRU-IHAVE HAD IT WITH YOUR IDIOCY----YA'LL WANT TO ROOT FOR DEFEAT, DO IT ELSEWHERE...WE HAVE NOT WON UNTIL THE TERRORISTS ARE DEAD AND IRAQ CAN SUSTAIN ITSELF...SOMETHING WE ARE ACHIEVING BUT HAVEN'T ACHIEVED YET---SPREE

COMMENT ELSEHWHERE IA M DONE PLAYING WITH YOU WHO CANNOT PROVIDE ANY VERIFYING LINKS TO YOUR ARGUMENTS AND JUST WANT TO SEE Y YOURSELF TALK--

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Bru | 11.16.07 - 4:35 pm | #

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