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It will be interesting to see where this goes?
A week or two ago, I would have sarcastically suggested nowhere, but the MSM has been surprising me lately!
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You are sure right, it will definately be fun to see where "this story" goes in upcoming weeks. Blogs from Conservatives MPS who endorse, sanction and openly racist sentiments and statements from various sources.
Should be a hoot!
Keep the heat turned up on this one Stephen! It's a Winner!
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MWW, you are an ass. Anyone can put a comment in a blog, you just proved that. In fact what I see on the net I doubt. I can imagine you are hopping over to every blog you can find to put crap in the comments, dress them up as some one else, and then swoop in and decry the racisim! Prove me wrong... Ah, you can't can you?
The only safe blog in that case is one without comments. Personnaly comments are usually a waste due to dimwits polluting them. If I had a blog I don't think I would have time to go in and edit/prune or outright delete every crackpot statement that might make me look bad because I don't have the time to delete it.
So, go back to reading the daily kos and rabble and stop trying to defect the comments away from what may be a very bad story for the Liberals.
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Man, I need glasses or a nap. MWW your comments confused me, on one hand you look like you are saying that there are racist comments in conservative blogs - "Blogs from Conservatives MPS who endorse, sanction and openly racist sentiments and statements from various sources." and then you end with "Keep the heat turned up on this one Stephen! It's a Winner!"
Maybe I jumped the gun calling you names... what say you?
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Do not forget, Stephen, he is also a lobbyist for several big name clients (see mikeklander.com).
The Duceppe/Harper photo is the same as in the Liberal ads. I guess we now know the identity of the creative genius in the Liberal war room.
Where it goes from here? My guess, not very far. Klander will apologise. Martin will accept.
I think we misunderstand the power relationship in Martin Inc. Paul Martin, in effect, works for Herle, Reid, Klander &c. Without them in charge of the party, Martin will be finished in a day.
Why else would Scott Reid still have a job?
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Very well done Stephen . . . let's hope people are taking notice.
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But.. but... Jack Layton really IS an asshole. He sold out Canada by not helping to bring the government down back in May, in exchange for some empty promises from PMPM.
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I agree...most of these comments are ignorant and they are definately not fitting of a grown adult, involved in an election campaign.
I'm not sure I'd classify his comment about Olivia Chow as rascist - it is undoubtedly rude and insulting, but rascist is jumping the gun a bit, and misogynisitc for calling Rona Ambrose sexy, is a little over-sensitive, as well.
This is not a defense of his comments - he's a foul-mouthed bigot, no doubt! - but save the hair trigger for the PC crowd. Just call it what it is...invariably inappropriate and rude.
Good job at ferreting this out though, Stephen. He still should answer for his ignorance.
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In agreeance with the lady in the starred tiara and spangly outfit. As stupid and insensitive as it is, I'm not sure it counts as racist or misogynistic. (Although it would be labeled as such if it came from any CPC website)
This story cannot be left to moulder in the dead-end small circle (pardon the mixed metaphor) of bloggers and blog readers, it has to get on to 'The National' or CTV News before it can make a dent. As much as people want to deny it or dislike it, _that_ is still what is considered news for most folks.
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Aside from any allegation of racism, sexism or any other "ism" - how fantastically stunned can you be to believe that the readership of a blog would be limited to a small circle of friends?
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Remember this is coming from the Executive Director of the Liberal Party of Canada (Ontario), the Executive Vice-President of the Liberal Party of Canada (Ontario) and Paul Martin leadership organizer. He has since closed his blog. However it is too little too late his rantings have been cached and will be available to those that wish to publish them.
Those sitting on the fence between voting for the Liberals or the NDP and those who would forsake their party to keep the scary Conservatives from forming a government might change their minds if this tripe gets published in the MSM.
In truth this is scary stuff. If he only meant this crap to be seen by a few friends as he later stated as the reason he closed his blog, one has to ask who these friends are. Is Paul Martin one of them? Is the Liberal caucus in this circle of friends? Is this how they really think when out of the media spotlight? Do they really think that being gay is something to be made fun of? Does he mean that Olivia Chow (in my opinion a very lovely looking lady) being compared to a dog or does he mean Chinese people as a race are dogs?
Hidden agenda indeed. If I were MS. Chow I would be consulting an attorney and the human rights commission.
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Methinks Klander should also be reminded that "I apologize if anyone was offended by my comments" is not actually an apology.
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As for the MSM, the Liberal apologists or MARTINIZERS as I call them, at some point they need to either start reporting the facts or be seen for what they truly are if the polls start to run in the CPC direction.
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When I first saw Wells' blog, I was concerned that the story could be spun to be an unintentional slip-up, an attempt at humour gone bad. I wanted to see what else this guy might have written.
I ran a number of searches on Google and Yahoo (the two search engines that cache web sites, including archive pages from blogs). I was looking for the other months to see what else Mike Klander may have written, and I was able to find all but two.
What I found was disturbing. This man is the second highest official in the Liberal Party of Canada, and the most senior official for Ontario. He is guiding their re-election campaign in that province. And yet, he thought nothing of putting out a blog that, month after month, slagged his opponents with racist, homophobic, and crude remarks.
Remember Parizeau and his reference to the "ethnics"? Klander wrote in one post he hated Stephen Harper standing next to "the sexy Rona Ambrose" and "the ethnic Rahim Jaffer".
Remember Kim Campbell's campaign mocking Chretien's face? Klander had a photo that was far more unkind.
He mocked quadriplegic MP Steven Fletcher's inability to move on his own, captioning one photo of Fletcher, receiving the congratulations of the House, as Fletcher telling the Health Minister to "step outside" in a piece of work he titled "Furious Fletcher and the Stiff".
Throughout his remarks are salted homophobic descriptions of people "looking gay".
I posted the links on Small Dead Animals, Comments Please, and some others, but since the Liberal spinners are frantically trying to claim these were faked, I encourage everyone to do what I did - search "Mike Klander" (in quotations) plus the name of each month, from April through December. When these sites come up, click on "cached" to find a copy of what the site looked like last time Google and Yahoo visited. (A couple of the sites only came up when I added other search terms, such as Layton.)
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I have to agree with some of the comments about whether this is racist, sexist, or just plain rude. But for those who feel the need to be fair, just think what Mike Klander himself would do if say someone associated with a CPC campaign in the 905 had made just one of the numerous Dice-Clay type remarks on his blog.
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Patrick,
This is some great work--thank you. But I really have to take exception to your "Liberal spinners" comment. The only people who suggested at all that this might have been faked were buckets (who did some digging and immediately posted a retraction) and myself (who never did any more than express the fact that the lack of media coverage had begun to create some nagging doubts ... and besides, I'm a card-carrying member of the NDP who has absolutely no love for the Liberals!).
You have done some terrific research. Don't undermine it with false accusations against your fellow bloggers.
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this could be a honey pot. has anyone verified ownership registration on the site? i would certainly not think these assholes could be that stupid. let's say in the warroom they come up with a scheme to have some anonymous dolt use this high level insider's name placed on a blog and put out all sorts of stupid repugnant stuff on it. then, wait for the bloggingtories, the most powerful element for change, now and in the future, find it and go ballistic. let's make sure we're doing due diligence. look behind the obvious. someone could be baiting the waters. they know we are a powerful force. undermine it. recall the rapid pick up for the muslim candidate in mississauga. that's bad research. it took three days for the markham councillor's name to be spelled correctly.
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Idealist Pragmatist, you're right, and I retract the reference to Liberal spinners. I guess after spending several hours locating and looking over this collection of fecal matter, it was hard for me to believe anyone would not immediately see how impossible this would have been to fake. Given the disaster the "Islam won" story was, it was prudent for some to question its authenticity. I apologize.
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Patrick,
Apology (a real one, I note! accepted. Let's stick together on this one, and this story will see its day in the mainstream media yet.
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Stephen, do you have screenshots of these blog posts?
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A fine example of a blogging maxim: security by obscurity doesn't work.
I do have one question: Can somebody explain Klander's current relationship with the party, with some supporting links? The bio Stephen's quoted is all in the past tense, and I found this description at http://www.klander.ca/ reads as:
"Mike Klander is a highly specialized and well respected government relations consultant assisting clients both at Queen’s Park in Ontario and at the Federal Government level in Ottawa."
I'm unclear on what his current position within the organization is?
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He is on the LPC-Ont Board. See http://www.lpco.ca/en/?ID=1.
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This guy is coated in teflon. Nothing will stick. What a creep......
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Why has there been no mention of this in the MSM media? We should take bets on how long it takes CBC to report on it. I would bet anyone here that when they do get around to mentioning it the headline will focus on Klander's apology.
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Darren, Mike Klander is the number 2 official in the Liberal Party of Canada (Ontario). He is the only Executive Vice-President. http://www.liberal.ca/party_e.aspx?id=3
He is responsible for the Liberal campaign in Ontario. By his own description, he is also a Paul Martin loyalist and organizer, part of his inner circle. "As a senior political organizer Mike played a significant role in building Paul Martin’s Leadership organization in Ontario." (http://www.mikeklander.com/about.html)
It may help to understand that the Liberal Party of Canada is a federation of most of the provincial organizations. It is therefore disingenuous to talk about the Liberal Party of Quebec (the beneficiaries of the corruption under the sponsorship scandal) and the Liberal Party of Ontario as though they are separate from the Liberal Party of Canada. The best description of the corporate structure can be found in the filing of the party's report to Elections Canada, where the auditor lays out the structure very well:
http://www.elections.ca/fin/rep/
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"The Liberal Party of Canada (the 'Party') is a federation composed of the Federal Liberal Agency of Canada and provincial and territorial associations." Among these provincial associations is the Liberal Party of Canada (Ontario).
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debistrail, Dust My Broom has links to the April-July archive caches, as well as the November-December ones. Still looking for the August-October ones. Go to http://dustmybroom.com/?p=2453#comments.
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Found September in Yahoo:
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This guy sounds like a George W Bush wannabe..
Friday, October 28, 2005
Iranian President...What a Big A-hole!
Time to wipe this guy off the map...and perhaps Tony Blair will lead the charge.
Count me in...he is my new asshole of the week!
http://66.218.69.11/search/cache...&icp=1&
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Some more posts from August..
Wednesday, August 31, 2005
Canada's Favourite Snowbird...No, Not Anne Murray
What has become one of the most dangerous military assignments in the Canadian Armed Forces?
Afghanistan? Haiti? A Sea King Pilot? The guy who was forced to build the Inukshuk on Hans Island by Bill Graham?
NO!
If you said "Snowbird Pilot" then you're correct!
Snowbird Captain Andy Mackay ejected moments before his plane crashed outside of Thunder Bay this past month. This marked the 12th Snowbird accident since 1972...tragically there have been 5 deaths as a result of crashes or collisions during that same period.
While I don't claim to be an aviation expert I think I have a good idea as to what the problem might be...the Snowbirds fly Canadair CT-114 Tutors which are over 30 years old...the last one came off the assembly line in 1966. (That was three years before I was born, Lyndon Johnson was President of the US, Bonanza was the most popular show on TV and the Leafs were on their way to winning the Stanley Cup).
Here's the kicker...the Canadian Government doesn't plan to replace the aircraft until 2020. By that time the planes will be 55 years old, you or I may be dead and who knows, the Leafs might have won another Stanley Cup.
For God's sake put these things a museum, and while your at it, throw in Ralph Klein and those Sea Kings too!
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Tuesday, August 16, 2005
CBC Labour Dispute
Have you tuned into the CBC since they locked out their employees? The scaled back programming has been described as "ravaged"...if you ask me it looks pretty good...as a matter of fact I just might start tuning into good old channel 6 again.
Last night we had Wil Ferrel in "Old School"...something called "The New Beachcombers" on Thursday (I wonder if they'll have a new character resembling Relic?), looks like the Antiques Road Show is on this afternoon and guess what? I like the BBC news!
Sunday Night looks like a barn-burner..."Dr. Who", followed by "Star Trek IV: A New Hope", followed by the BBC News and culminating with "Godzilla: King of the Monsters" (which by the way he was not!).
If they keep it up, I for one will not be complaining.
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This post from August looks juicy, too bad it's not cached:
Hey America...don't mess with us!
And if you doubt this guy is a Martinite:
Wednesday, May 04, 2005
The Libranos
Very funny!
posted by Mike Klander at 10:53 AM
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wahahahahaha!!
great capture!!
keep up the good work!
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At http://independentsources.com/20...01/hans-island/
, there is a reference to the Mike Klander August posting on Hans Island, proving definitively that these existed and have not been faked, methinks.
Charles Adler posts that he is covering it, making him the third member of the media (after Toronto Star Friday, Paul Wells Sunday) to do so.
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Another August post...
Monday, August 08, 2005
Cottage
Here's a pic I took early one morning at the cottage
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For some reason, I can just picture Mike running off the end of the dock into the lake.
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I guess he won't getting any Christmas presents from the SPCA or PETA next year...
This brings me to the dog. I have an idea for a concert of my own...Last weekend my one-year-old Lab, Bailey ate a Robin while at the cottage...it was a baby and it was still chirping when she did it. I think I might be able to spark more interest than the Barrie show if I planned my own concert... a live viewing of Bailey on the attack...I think I will call it LIVE ATE!
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cac...er+bailey&
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MWW decries those who are pushing this story, saying there's a double standard. I think she misses the point. ANYONE who puts out this kind of crap is offensive, and we need to make clear it won't be tolerated. I wrote this in her comments section, which is awaiting moderation. My guess is she won't allow it, so I'm posting it here as well:
(Meaghan), I can't believe you're minimizing Klander's Krap, just for the sake of scoring some cheap political points. This guy's position, sitting as part of the Prime Minister of Canada's inner circle, makes this newsworthy. And I for one don't think this is a fight that the NDP should have to fight. As a direct attack on the NDP Leader's spouse and candidate, it behooves those of us who despise this sort of thing to stand shoulder to shoulder with Mr. Layton and Ms. Chow and say ENOUGH!
You want to see the level of discourse improved? So do I. Which is why I spent most of Christmas Day doing something about it. As you should have when you first became aware of these other examples of stupidity, when they first arose. Don't use them now as cheap partisan attacks on the efforts of those who are trying to do the same thing.
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Klander has resigned.
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Liberal exec resigns after blog comment
(CP) - A high-ranking official within the Liberal Party of Canada has stepped down after he made disparaging comments on his blog about NDP Leader Jack Layton and his wife, NDP candidate Olivia Chow.
Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, resigned today after he compared Chow to a dog and called Layton an "asshole."
The postings have been taken down.
Stephen Heckbert, a Liberal spokesman, says Klander's blog was personal and did not reflect the Liberal party as a whole.
Heckbert says Klander has apologized to Chow.
Heckbert says Klander was a volunteer and did not play an official role for the Liberals during this election campaign.
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Media coverage:
Do they just cover that single blog post or the entirety of the postings.
We'll see.
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Ah, I (with sarcasm, mind y'all) see that Meaghan Walker Williams has made certain to denounce the KKKlander Librano racist, sexist bastard. Of course, she also made certain to declare the Liberals as the ones practicing the racism.
MWW really is an anti-racism activist, we can rest assured. Yep, and Tinkerbell just flew out of my ass.
Leftists, eh? So pathetic and transparent as well as brobdingnagianly stupid as hell.
Haven't really observed the MSM much, but of what I saw, they're not making nearly as big a deal of this as they would if it had been a Conservative who did what the reprehensible KKKlander has.
Wonder if Paulie M. will ban the stinking piece of excrement from the LPC? Not a fecking chance!
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Another CP article with more details and reaction:
http://www.brandonsun.com/story....?
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stephen - get over it, you're not matt drudge and you haven't "broken" any major stories.
your post about PMPM manufacturing the spat with the US? nowhere to be found in the real media.
your post about Liberal ads? that was leaked to the press long before you jumped on the bandwagon.
liberal attack ads? hmmm, wonder if they were leaked on purpose?
income trusts? same deal - where has that gone?
you're weak taylor - what's the worst part is that the CPC has nobody better than you to put in the shop window. shame, because i thought the party of brian mulroney was smarter than that.
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every msm article promotes "volunteer" status for klander. results posted in the msm don't truly reflect what's actually taking place. he's probably still working the liberal underlings into a froth.
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Liberal answer: everybodys doing it!
Liberal spin: he's only a volunteer!
Liberal truth: the media will cover for us...business as usual!
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MSM is just really the CP story so far, I will wait to see if they ignore the rest of the blog posts or not.
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Liberal spin is always to blame the messenger.
And if that doesn't work, then just flash your buttcheeks as you scurry off.. ala Paul Martin.
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It's not Klander that is wrong, obviously it's Stephen that is the issue. STEPHEN TAYLOR by compiling this story is a bad, bad man. Evil neo-cons..
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After my post at 5:51 p.m., I took a close look at what was posted on Meaghen's site (Somena Media), and I was shocked at what I found. Not by the content of what she posted there (for, while there were words, there was no substance). Rather, at how willing she was to tar and feather one person, one of our country's elected representatives, for an innocent remark, all to further what appears to be an unsubstantiated and perhaps ongoing attack on Kate at Small Dead Animals. (I say unsubstantiated because, while Meaghen posted pictures and accusations, she neglected to provide links.)
I said in my post that I had taken action on the Klander posts because they were truly offensive, "as you should have when you first became aware of these other examples of stupidity, when they first arose." I referred to "these other examples" before I had had a chance to properly review Meaghen's site.
I'm now aware there seems to be no basis for calling Monte Solberg's comment, referring to Kate's very good artistic work (to which both he and Meaghan link), as an example of stupidity. The context of his posting was clearly innocent, and had nothing whatsoever to do with the over-the-top and hysterical accusations Meaghen made in her post. And, since Meaghen did not substantiate her accusations against Kate by providing links to the content she decried, I have to defer judgment on those accusations as well.
It's a sad day when people lay accusations of racism against people who have done nothing to deserve it, all to further their own agenda - particularly when it has the effect of taking the focus off of a blog site that had multiple examples of racism, homophobia, and a crudeness that is contrary to Canadian values.
I don't want to be in any way associated with Meaghen's efforts, even to the limited extent that I was in my 5:51 post.
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Shocking. I thought most of the bone-headed ideas from the Liberal War room came from the Fraser Milner Casgrain / Cyrus Reporter team ... are they also a party to these racist, sexist comments?
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Patrick, if you want the screen captures of the blogposts involved - I will be happy to email them to you.
She did say those things, she did post those pictures - and I have the hardcopy print-offs and screen captures to prove it if need be.
But that's ok. Believe what you want.
You will anyways.
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Canadian Sentinel - I did denounce the Chow-Chow comment as disgusting. Did you not bother to actually read the post?
Guess not. Too busy letting other people do your thinking for you in the echo chamber.
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uh oh, little stephen doesn't like to be criticized... there is simply no other explanation for him deleting a comment i posted earlier.
the truth hurts, don't it stephen?
who's your "senior conservative party official"? where is carol jamieson? are oyu going to call warren kinsella a sexist pig now too?
the hypocrisy is disgusting.
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MWW, I'd rather you posted the links on your own site, so everyone could see it.
'Nuff said.
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No Patrick...
Kate likes to go back and edit and alter posts, as well as having a documented history of going into comments sections of blogs she controls and editing statements made by others and falsely attributing comments to them...
So sorry --screen captures of her posts - which clearly show where the screen capture was made have more integrity than mere links.
'nuff said.
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Uh huh. It's all about you, right? You're the only one with the integrity to be trusted with the secret details. No need for context, no need for verification - you're in charge, and you can't be questioned.
So, in short, you're a troll. Got it. (Flush)
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MWW: so, post these screen captures on your site.
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Which ones do you want Ed?
You tell me which of the comments you claim Kate did not write - and I will post the FULL screen caputures.
And as for Patrick... I already see that you are simply one of the MyBlahg Trollitariat, of the Anal, Rempel, Richard Evans variety... so I could really give a runny poop what you have to say.
You tell me which comments, or photoshoppped images you think I am am falsely attributing to Kate McMillan Ed, and I will be happily to oblige.
On this condition - that you and the blogging tories explain why the CHOW CHOW comment was so beyond the pale - but the grey-owl juxtaposition with the muslim torture pic, is just "good clean funny fun".
Okdoke?
Do we have a deal?
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MWW, can you please take your war against Kate McMillan elsewhere?
I want nothing to do with it.
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The MSM picked up on this story, and I'm quite glad. Actually, it appears as though they're finally warming up to the Tories. I would like a list, a REAL list, not some spin, on how Harper is "scary." Please. He can't be any scarier than the Liberals of late.
Secondly, if this were a Conservative who did something like this, they'd be branded for life, and we'd never hear the end of it. Why can we not show the Liberals for who they really are? A tyrannical party who thinks one party rule is the only way to go.
GeeWizz, I take it you're not on the blue side. What's the about the "party of Brian Mulroney being smarter than that?" If it means anything, and I'm sure it won't, Mulroney was smarter than Martin and Chretien combined. I don't know what kind of rubbish you have to justify the comment. At least the guy could call a spade a spade. Martin looks like he gets dizzy with his hand waving, eyebrow raising rubbish that comes out of his mouth on a daily basis.
Why are the reporters not HOUNDING Martin for a comment on this guy?? It seems all the high ranking Liberals have quite the opinion on the normal Joe Blow, including opposing candidates. This kind of stuff is sanctioned?
Typical of him to resign and apologize once this was made public and people were offended. Reminds me of something else called Adscam...
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You know when people accuse you of knowing nothing but say little else, Stephen, you are close to the point. Again I (a non-CPCer) say - you are doing some great blogging on this.
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MWW vs. Patrick: MEOW!
Stephen Taylor vs. Liberal operatives: HOT!
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The Vancouver Sun has a more balanced story on the Klander affair:
http://www.canada.com/vancouvers...7da614d&
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Some info we didn't have before:
1. Liberal Party spokesperson Stephen Heckbert has now apologized on behalf of the party - but only "if anyone was offended by it".
2. At the same time, Heckbert prepared the way for this guy's rehabilitation (what's the point of having a political fixer who can't fix anything). "Heckbert praised Klander for having 'a history of being a strong Liberal and someone who has worked for diversity.' Of course he has. Why, some of his best friends are the ethnics.
3. Klander had originally planned to just apologize to Olivia Chow. The "resignation" was apparently not his idea. "In an interview with Canwest News Service just before he submitted his resignation, Klander said his only plan was to apologize to Chow.
4. Watch for KlanderII, coming soon to a blogging host near you. Klander says he "has pulled his blog for remainder of the campaign leading to the Jan. 23 vote." After that, his homophobic, racist, sexist, misogynist, and crude comments will presumably be all right.
5. Klander has apparently not apologized to Ms. Chow directly. NDP spokesperson Ian Capstick says "Ms. Chow is looking forward to his direct apology."
6. "Members of the Chinese Canadian National Council, which has been an active interest group in the current election campaign, could not be reached for comment." None of them? Not to worry, though. I'll bet someone from the National Congress of Chinese Canadians, to which the Liberals are funneling $2.5 million, can be found to say the Liberals are A-OK!
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12.27.05 - 2:40 pm | #
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Hahaha. Has anyone noticed how quiet the Liberals have been the last few weeks? Even most of the blogs are silent. It reminds me of the old John Mellencamp song "Crumblin' Down." And I keep saying this..looks like Mulroney wasn't that bad after all.
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OK, people, you are NOT going to believe this! As I pointed out in my 2:40 post, Liberal spokesperson Stephen Heckbert has already started laying the groundwork for Mike Klander's rehabilitation. What I could never have expected is that he would tie the Liberal brand to this racist, misogynist, homophobic, uncouth, ungracious jerk. But he has.
According to the Globe and Mail,
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/s...ront/
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Heckbert said this about KKKlander:
"Mike has been a long-time Liberal and holds the Liberal values of diversity and tolerance and inclusiveness...."
So the next time you hear the Prime Minister emote about Liberal values, you know what he's talking about.
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12.27.05 - 2:54 pm | #
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He just turned off www.klander.ca
www.mikeklander.com still works
Also, if you doubt the accuracy of the MSM. Check out this gem from the Globe and Mail:
"Mr. Klander is a party organizer who has worked on leadership bids by Sheila Copps, Brian Tobin and Liberal Leader Paul Martin."
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/s...ront/
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Hahaha? HE WORKED FOR SHEILA COPPS? Get your facts straight suckers.
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12.27.05 - 3:11 pm | #
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This idiot made a point of picking on political opponents based on their race, sexual preference and physical disabilities.
I am no fan of Olivia Chow's politics, but it is no stretch to see that if she were African-Canadian, this goon might very well have put a picture of a gorillla in the next frame for the amusement of his small circle of friends. What he did was equally repugnant.
You'd expect to find this sort of garbage on Ernst Zundel's website. That it was the work of a senior executive of the Liberal Party of Canada, is sickening.
People have called for "hate crime" investigations for less.
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12.27.05 - 3:15 pm | #
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He was only a rogue volunteer in the Ontario wing of the Liberals. Paul Martin being the senior Liberal from Quebec had no knowledge of this person and his blog. Scott Reid denied any wrongdoing and said Gomery would get to the bottom of it. Gomery worried about being seen as a Liberal pansy has appointed a German shepard as lead counsel.
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12.27.05 - 3:52 pm | #
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MWW wrote, precisely:
"You are sure right, it will definately be fun to see where "this story" goes in upcoming weeks. Blogs from Conservatives MPS who endorse, sanction and openly racist sentiments and statements from various sources.
Should be a hoot!
Keep the heat turned up on this one Stephen! It's a Winner!"
MWW claims that somewhere above, she denounced the racist, sexist slurs against Ms. Chow by Mr. KKKlander. Where, exactly did she do this? She suggested I didn't read the above post, but I did, and have above proven she lied about denouncing the intolerant blogging of KKKlander.
Classic MWW lying. Classic MWW ridiculous claiming that Conservatives don't think for themselves and only let others tell them what to think. Pure bullshit, MWW style. I'm familiar with MWW. A serial liar who would fit absolutely perfectly into the Liberal Party of Canada. They'd love to have her as a mudslinger in the tradition of Kinsella and "Blow Me...Beer and Popcorn" Reid.
What say you, MWW? You did NOT denounce racism or sexism or homophobia in that post as I copied and pasted above. Do you wish to lapse into your delusional rantings again?
Give it up, MWW. Everyone knows about you and no one takes you seriously. You have no credibility nor integrity. You claim to be a member of a specific ethnic group, but I have never seen any evidence you actually are, except for your claims and the Liberal Party's allowance of your claims. Also, from your pictures, why, you could for all the world be my fraternal twin sister and I myself don't have skin any lighter than yours. You have the same basic visible genetic appearance as a West Europe descendant. You are not a visible minority. You just want to feel special by making unnecessary claims because you don't want to make it the hard way like I do in the real world of Canadian life. And be careful what you say, for I personally am a person with a "disability", so I believe I'm far more disadvantaged than you are. Aboriginal, huh? Big deal. Does that, if it is true, make you any better or more special or more deserving than I am? I would hope not. Otherwise, you're just the pot calling the kettle... whatever.
Do you really think you're special and better and more deserving than I?
I and all Canadians would like to know. Are you some kind of a supremacist? We all hope not, for if you are, that'd be frightening.
And, one more time, I caution you... be very, very careful of what you say. What you say will be scrutinized very closely for any hint of intolerance towards any group or person. NO one is immune to scrutiny. NO one.
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12.27.05 - 4:11 pm | #
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"MWW claims that somewhere above, she denounced the racist, sexist slurs against Ms. Chow by Mr. KKKlander. Where, exactly did she do this? She suggested I didn't read the above post, but I did, and have above proven she lied about denouncing the intolerant blogging of KKKlander."
I did it on my blog. Boy you people really get excitable don't you.
I said the ChowChow remark was disgusting and Obnoxious, and I think
I even reffered to Klander as a Doufus.
Canadian Sentintel. Calm Down.
Stephen Taylor has asked that this big blog fight between myself and Kate not be brought onto this blog - so WHY do you bring it up?
AND Stephen... since you have asked that I not bring it up - would you please moderate your crazy commentators - so that they do likewise, so your rules apply consistently?
Thank you
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12.27.05 - 4:20 pm | #
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"Everyone knows about you and no one takes you seriously. You have no credibility nor integrity. You claim to be a member of a specific ethnic group, but I have never seen any evidence you actually are, except for your claims"
Do you want me to fax you my status card signifying my Indian Status Designation would that satisfy you?
How bout read the lawsuit which I link to on my blog, where the Chief and Council of the Indian Band, of which I am a registered Member, are suing me for libel, for reporting on the corruption in the Indian Act Government and the DIA? Would that satisfy you?
As for Credibility...
How many newspapers have you been paid to write for Canadian Centinal? How many times have you been flown to France, or Mexico, or London to speak on Economics, and Free Market Solutions for Aboriginal People?
How many times has the New York Times, or Homemakers Magazine, Or the Winnipeg Free Press written about the efforts you have been involved in?
I take that to be a big fat zero-- am I right?
Lemme guess... like most ignorant blogging Tories - you have only read what Bloggging Tory Queen Kate has written about me, and you have believed every single lie, libel and slander she has spoken.
You have investigated none of this for yourself, and have relied entirely upon her for to do your thinking for you.
Must be so nice living in the echo chamber.
Meanwhile - back in the real world... some of us have better things to do.
Like I said Stephen... you said you didn't want the KM vs MW thing brough on this blog - then I would suggest you start applying that rule, pretty damn quick - or this is just going to keep going on and on and on.
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12.27.05 - 4:27 pm | #
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MWW, who the hell are YOU to go onto someone else's blog and make demands of THEM? You sound like the typical Liberal, arrogant, your stuff doesn't smell, and dealing with those who oppose you with slander, innuendo and name calling.
You were asked a question, are you a supremacist? Are you supposed to be treated different from anyone else because you are an aboriginal? And on what dime were you flown to these economic summits to discuss marketing and Native affairs? Did this come out of your pocket, the "ignorant blogging Tories" pocket, or the Canadian taxpayer?
You, MWW, are making an ass of yourself and should really go join those who will listen to and accept the rhetoric and hyperbole you're trying to shove down our throat as fact. That's right, you believe in the right to opinions, as long as those opinions jive with your own. Get a life.
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12.27.05 - 5:26 pm | #
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Klander & Associates - nice work if you can get it - all you have to know how to do is be nice to really really stupid people - in the Liberal party and you too could have a lucrative career pdeeling your , uh, influence.
http://www.mikeklander.com/
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You said you denounced the bigotry in the "post"; you didn't say "my blog". In the context above, the reasonable person would take it you meant the comment post you did in this thread to which I referred originally. I guess you made a mistake and didn't think carefully before writing, didn't preview, etc. Well, maybe you're a tad hungover from the seasonal imbibing, if you do imbibe, which can be an acceptable excuse for brainfarting all over the place. Many folks do it once in a while, even myself. 
Look again above. I NEVER mentioned anything about you and Kate McMillan. You just imagined I did.
I do know the story of your longstanding war of words with Kate. I reviewed the back and forth commentary you two have done, and have come to my own conclusions as to who is the asshat. And as for the "echo chamber" remark, it doesn't apply to me as I cannot hear echoes or anything at all, for that matter.
I don't care about any "status card" you may have. It means nothing at all to me. Just a piece of paper; so what? Doesn't prove a damn thing to me. Although, I would think it's good that someone living on a reservation (or off) would expose Aboriginal politicians for any corruption there may be (all politicians, regardless of race or anything, must be exposed for wrongdoing- on this we can agree).
I ask again: do you have any reason to believe that you, on the basis of claimed or real racial difference, are better or more special or more deserving than I? You seem to be afraid of this question. Do you think you are superior or more disadvantaged than I simply because you had or claim to have had (and the Liberal state for some reason or no reason believes it) certain ancestors centuries ago? Do you think you deserve something I don't just because of race or ancestry? If you do, that would be... racist! No way one can justify it... racism is racism, period! Why won't you address my question as to whether you think you're better than I on the basis of (real or claimed) racial difference?
Why don't you state unequivocally that you are equal to all citizens of Canada and claim no special entitlements for any reason whatsoever, particularly the things mentioned in the Charter, including race?
I don't care worth a shrew's bum what race you are, or anyone at all for that matter. Maybe you yourself do care what race you are and what race other people are?
I look forward to your response to this question. Please make it a clear, brief declaration. I would hope you wouldn't run away from it. The country is watching...
Thank you with all due respect.
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12.27.05 - 5:37 pm | #
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BTW, it doesn't make any difference whether anyone has ever written a piece for a newspaper. How the feck does it necessarily make anyone a more credible person just for having written for a MSM rag? Remember, the MSM doesn't have all that much credibility itself! So I reject your claim that I never wrote for a paper and am therefore incapable of having a valid opinion. The claim of yours smacks of arrogant leftist elitism. You would be perfect as a Liberal party official or MP.
And I know you don't have anything better to do. I have seen the proof for myself. Imaginary barbecue with a possibly imaginary hubby. Yep, saw that. On the Shotgun, if I recall correctly. You were commenting on SDA instead of at a supposed dinner with a husband no one has seen, as far as I know.
Still not impressed, but will check for your response to my earlier q. re. race.
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12.27.05 - 5:45 pm | #
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A little addition: MWW asked whether MSM publications have written about me and what places I've travelled to.
I said something else, but forgot about that part. Same answer as earlier: it doesn't matter. My opinion is no less valid just because I'm not a famous primadonna left wing darling and haven't travelled to fancy locations for supposed get-togethers to talk about stuff, which is expensive, btw. And I wonder if MWW paid her own way like Kate McMillan pays her own way when she goes to places to discuss stuff.
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12.27.05 - 6:21 pm | #
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Yikes!
I just got back. Ok, everybody keep it clean.
Maybe it's time for a commenting policy.
*sigh*, I thought this day might come.
As to the battle between MWW and The Canadian Sentinel... it's over (at least on this blog). This arbitration is arbitrary because it comes at the point where I sat down and opened these comments.
So, I guess it's time to get a commenting policy.
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12.27.05 - 7:54 pm | #
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I've been reading and following the comments. My original comment to MWW stands more or less, a blogger does not necessarily stand by comments made by readers... I mean even Paul Martin could comment in here, if he knew how to use a computer. 
MWW, to you I say this... You can't compare one blogger site with another unless they hold the same position within the party heirchy (sp). Saying that Small Dead Animals said something bad is like saying I said something bad... I am a private citizen and entitled to my opinion no matter how wrong (or right). Now if SDA was the site of a high ranking CPC organizer I would say you have a leg to stand on.
Stephen, just put a disclaimer somewhere on the site saying that you don't moderate comments (usually) and can't be held responsible for some other jerks comments... I would think that would just be common sense, but when dealing with left wingers common sense is somewhat at a premium I dare say.
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12.27.05 - 8:40 pm | #
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http://rempeliaprime.com/?p=222
At least he didn't call her "sexy", right?
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Absolutely no mention of this scandal on CBC's 'The National' tonight. Both CBC and CTV are passing this off as "a couple of comments about Jack and Olivia Chow", from an ordinary liberal volunteer. This is so frustrating.
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12.27.05 - 10:38 pm | #
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Brendan: You cannot compare a random blog with an unknown author (who is probably not a Liberal Party war room staffer) to that of a (now former) Toronto area riding President, (former) Exec Dir of LPC-Ont, chief organizer of Team Martin's leadership campaign, &c &c.
Or, can you?
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12.27.05 - 10:39 pm | #
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I'm not.
If Mr.Taylor finds the phrase "sexy
Rona Ambrose" misogynistic then what does he think of something that comes from a site he is linked to?
"Babe-a-licious." Is Warren Kinsella
also a misogynist?
That word is thrown around a little
too freely.
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Brendan, Warren almost immediately recognized the "Babe-a-licious" remark was inappropriate and apologized, directly and sincerely, to Ms. Ambrose. He then publicized his retraction, and took his lumps.
And, while I agree with you that misogyny is a word thrown around too freely, it was certainly appropriate in the instance of Klander, considering the context in which he referred to Ms. Ambrose. He spoke of the "sexy Ms. Ambrose" standing next to Stephen Harper in the context of something he hates. Presumably for the same reason, he also hated "the ethnic Rahim Jaffer" standing next to Harper. He reduced these two people to their gender and their race. That's unacceptable, extremely poor judgment, crude, and insulting. And what made it worse was that, by his own admission, he was one of Paul Martin's inner circle. I'm just getting a little tired of the things the people closest to Paul Martin let spew from what they write, what they say, and what they do. Aren't you?
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12.27.05 - 11:38 pm | #
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A misogynistic comment would be one that summarizes a woman's worth by solely recognizing her looks. Ambrose is worth so very much more to the party that "looks" actually ranks insignificant.
Klander implied that Ambrose and Jaffer were only worthy as photo-op tools because Jaffer is "ethnic" and Ambrose is "sexy".
Ambrose and Jaffer are worth so much more to their constituents and to the party than how they "sexy" or "ethnic" they are.
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http://www.mikeklander.com/ just got turned off as well.
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12.28.05 - 12:49 am | #
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Oh and I just found another gem from Klander on the late Chuck Cadman. In a vote prior to the Spring confidence vote:
"Chuck Cadman would have better scheduled his chemotherapy there MIGHT have been tie."
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12.28.05 - 12:51 am | #
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No, only his list of clients. Main page is still there.
Patrick |
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I get this:
Not Found
The requested URL / was not found on this server.
Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
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You might have to refresh to see the error message..
Mark |
12.28.05 - 1:34 am | #
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Mark, I already noted that one.
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12.28.05 - 1:36 am | #
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Brendan: Not a fair comparison. Everyone recognizes that the quality of Belinda that I described relates to her party-switching.
Nor is it a sexist comment. Whoring one's self out to the governing party for a cabinet post is presumably not an activity confined to the female gender. Let me demonstrate: Scott Brison is a whore. See, I'm an equal opportunity insulter.
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12.28.05 - 2:54 am | #
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Uh, Peter, your slogan is "Ambassador of Conservative Maturity".
In case you forgot.
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12.28.05 - 6:09 am | #
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As a wise man once said, "There's no whore like an old whore."
CFRB is also not reporting on this at all. This appears to be a dead issue, but I can't figure out for the life of me why these Grits are teflon. It's ridiculous, because we all know the reaction if it were a Conservative. Remember the comments about abortion and how that tainted the Tories for good during the last election? Why can't these Liberals be held to the same standard. It just drives me up the wall that these guys can violate their own Charter publicly, then make some bullcrap apology and all is forgotten. What will it take for the MSM to be actually objective in their reporting? The CBC is saying NOTHING about this (yes, I broke ranks and actually watched.) I guess you're only accountable if you're not a Liberal. Two different kinds of rules in this country, one for the Liberals and one for everyone else.
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Peter - Your intentions may have been as you state.
Unfortunately, you are attacking the father - Frank Stronach - for presumably naming some sort of town after his daughter. Fathers do that sort of thing (albeit on a smaller scale) all the time - why in the world would you want to use that to make your point?
Ms Stronach's action are indefensible, as is her Cabinet job. I'm sure the folks in Newmarket will render the appropriate verdict on that.
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Someone tell me...after having the Klander story on the front page yesterday (Van Sun, Nat'l Post) and buried on something like page 13 (Van Province). Only the National Post had 1 stinking letter to the editor regarding the offensive material on Klander's blog. And that was from some guy in South Korea?!?!
Is this a national shrug of the shoulders? Or are the media suppressing angry letters? God, I hope it's the latter - I can deal with the thought of biased media outlets but apathetic, double-standard loving Canadians galls me.
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Yep, you got it. This is coming from the same media that SCREAMED every time Brian Mulroney opened his mouth. This is ridiculous, and I think Canadians should demand more from the media instead of being brainwashed by the propaganda channel.EVERYTHING CONSERVATIVES DO IS BAD, but the Liberals? Oooohh,it's an honest mistake. "His views don't represent that of the party." Yep, but Scott Reid's views represent those of the Prime Minister. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
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Klander and his other brother Klander? A tale of two photos.
I. Holocaust memorial photo on the Klander blog
Klander Blog, May 20 (archived at http://tinyurl.com/ba2wc):
"Yes indeed, politics does make for strange bedfellows...but is there more to it? I would bet that his wife couldn't make his eyes roll back into his head like that".
Toronto Star, December 26:
"Klander was a volunteer and did not play an official role for the Liberals during this campaign, Heckbert said, adding he's apologized to Chow".
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II. Holocaust memorial photo used by the Liberal campaign
Globe and Mail, December 23:
"The anti-Harper messages were prepared by a volunteer in Ontario and approved in the spring by the Liberal Party of Canada, said Liberal spokeswoman Amy Butcher...Ms. Butcher said the anonymous volunteer who prepared the material has not been taken to task".
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Then again maybe the volunteer was a Lib-O VP and got fired a few days later when he got busted for the second time in a week?
(cross posted to commentsplease with inline images).
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Sheila Copps disects how Klander got roped into the Martin think tank:
http://www.torontosun.com/News/C...28/
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The meltdown of Liberal bloggers continues:
http://dynamiteonline.blogspot.com/
LOVE the dialogue between Peter and Red Tory in the comments section. As well as Peter's positive take on the Tory Arctic sovereignty plan.
Will Peter learn about his evil twin Skippy at the Liberal War Room? Will his evil twin launch the mother of all negative campaigns? Will the mother of all negative campaigns ever admit who was the father? Is Red Tory secretly a Dipper? Will Peter be paid a visit by ex-volunteer Klander? And is Peter's appointment to the local high paying "non-partisan" board now in jeopardy?
For the answers to these and other questions, tune in daily to "The Meltdown Continues" (cue echo chamber, strobe effect. Fade)
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It's little wonder Liberal bloggers are cleaning their drawers more often. Sheila Copps' column eviscerates these turkeys in her column. Some excerpts:
The sophomoric, insulting comments on the web blog of Mike Klander, the Ontario executive vice-president of the Liberal Party of Canada should have surprised very few people.
Klander's references -- rightly seen, in my view, as racist and sexist -- comparing NDP candidate Olivia Chow to a breed of dog reflect the quality of backroom discussions in the Martin Liberal Party. As with Scott Reid of "beer and popcorn" fame, the public got a glimpse of what current high-level Liberal Party officials actually think of them.
Klander, the son of hard-working immgirant steelworker parents in Hamilton, rose to great heights in the Liberal party by working hard to fit in. In the Martin backrooms, fitting in tends to mean "old boy" and bathroom humour, and ensuring your place is secured by tearing others down....
Perhaps all he wanted from his dog blog was a big chuckle from the big boys. Reviewing his website over the past year gives some insight into the current level of erudition in the executive offices of the Martin Liberals....
It was not always this way. I remember when, as a young high school student, he came into my office interested in knowing more about the Liberal party. His father was a diehard New Democrat, but Mike thought the Liberal Party might be a more realisitic way to help people. As a young man, he wanted to get involved to make things better. Over the years, it became simply about the win....
His blog struck me as stunning in its ignorance. No depth there, simply hate. Martin good, everyone else bad.
He mocks the facial disfigurements of former PM Jean Chretien, as well as Canada's first elected quadriplegic, Tory MP Steven Fletcher. He refers to one of Canada's first elected Muslim MPs as "ethnic" Rahim Jaffer. He makes what I view as misogynistic and homophobic comments in many entries.
What is even more amazing was the reaction this week by Martin spokesman Stephen Heckbert. He downplayed Klander's comments because they were on a blog: "Partisan blogs get a little heated, especially around election time. You'd see some language that might curl your hair."
...I wonder whether it would even occur to the Martin backroom boys that there was anything wrong with the Chow-Chow "separated at birth" posting -- more likely, they would pass it around, smirking at anyone who did not get it.
The same backroom boys use the race card when it will play well for them. "Trade one Sikh candidate for a Ukrainian as long as it will get votes andkeep them quiet," is a view I have actually heard expressed by a key Martin organizer.
In today's party machine, non-white voters are viewed as commodities, to be traded for seats which will guarantee a majority. The only difference in the Klander blog is that the public actually found out.
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OT - CTV says RCMP will be investigating the income trust debacle... press conf w/Judy W (ndp finance critic) expected shortly.
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"Uh, Peter, your slogan is "Ambassador of Conservative Maturity"."
Supposed to be ironic.
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This explains a few things:
"Why I will vote Liberal"
"Because I believe in the extent to which the Official Languages Act is carried out and enforced; that every public servant even in the most remote part of B.C. should be fluent in the French language, but that government business in Quebec should be in unilingual French.
Because I believe that only lawyers from the province of Quebec are qualified to be prime minister of Canada.
Because I believe that the federal government should be completely controlled by the province of Quebec.
Because I believe that all criminals are just poor misunderstood victims of society and can all be easily rehabilitated in a very short period of time; and that only they have "rights"; not the victims of their crimes.
Because I believe that hardened criminals like Karla Homolka should be pampered by living in a "cottage" with her own key and be allowed to have pyjama parties and go out on shopping trips; and that killers in prison "resorts" on the Pacific coast should eat filet mignon, have barbecues, go whale watching and have their own golf course, while our senior citizens have to eat left over Kraft Dinner.
Because I believe that mass murderers under that age of 18 should be protected by the Young Offenders Act and the rest of us law-abiding citizens do not have the right to know who they are.
Because I believe in bringing hundreds of thousands of unskilled people into Canada from third world countries every year so we can support them on welfare and so that they will vote Liberal; and that this number should be increased every year.
Because I believe that it is fair that the province of Quebec is the sole province allowed to be in charge of its immigration policy; that they receive 5 times the amount of federal immigration money than does Ontario, even though Ontario has to teach those people how to speak English whereas Quebec only allows immigrants to enter who already know the French language.
Because I believe that we do not have a right to own land in Canada, as it is under Liberal law.
Because I believe it is only fair that Liberals steal as much tax money as they can from us; through every conceivable means from the HRDC boondoggle to the 2 billion dollar gun registry that does not work.
Because I believe that if my family is the victim of a home invasion I should not have the right to protect them in our own home.
Because I believe in huge government bureaucracy and extremely high taxes, as I believe that the government knows how to spend my money better than I do.
Because I believe in having essentially no military because everyone loves us and we will never be called upon to protect our country.
Because Jack Layton is not a lawyer from Quebec so he is not qualified to be prime minister; besides, he smiles too much.
Because Stephen Harper is not a lawyer from Quebec and he and the Conservative Party of Canada have a hidden agenda and they are v
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"Because Stephen Harper is not a lawyer from Quebec and he and the Conservative Party of Canada have a hidden agenda and they are very scary people.
Because I believe that we should alienate our neighbours to the South because all Americans are morons and know nothing about Canada; and that we should continue to align ourselves more closely with our true friends, France, China and Russia.
Because I believe everything that the Liberal controlled media tells me, especially the CBC.
Because I believe that no one should ever be held responsible or accountable for their own actions in today's society. It is always someone else's fault.
Because I believe that we should not expect newcomers to our country to accept or adapt to our culture and traditions and customs; and that we should not wish each other "Merry Christmas" in case it might be offensive to some.
Because I have the IQ of a doorknob and am easily sucked in by Liberal scare tactics and propaganda; and am easily bought off with my own tax money. "
D-man |
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What other Liberals were just a stupid as klander? How do we check their sites?
Perhaps this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Orville |
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Orville:
I just found this from CTV. The Liberal bloggers just won't quit:
B.C. Grit cabinet minister in blog controversy
Updated Thu. Dec. 29 2005 1:26 AM ET
Canadian Press
VANCOUVER — The Liberal election campaign has taken another hit from the blogosphere after its star B.C. candidate used a possibly insulting term to describe NDP Leader Jack Layton.
Industry Minister David Emerson is quoted in a blog written by Jamie Elmhirst, the federal Liberals' B.C. president, as referring to Layton's "boiled dog's head smile.''
An NDP spokesman said the term is an English translation of a Chinese insult.
Elmhirst referred to the comment, made at a pre-election dinner, after suggesting Layton's friendly remarks about maverick New Democrat Svend Robinson during an early-December campaign stop in Vancouver were "a touch insincere.''
"How did Minister Emerson describe his style at our convention dinner?'' Elmhirst writes in the Dec. 5 blog entry.
"Oh yes, he said that Jack Layton had a boiled dog's head smile. That would have made even me wince if I hadn't have been laughing so hard.''
Stanley Tsao, an NDP campaign spokesman who handles Chinese media, said Wednesday the phrase is Cantonese in origin and can be taken a number of ways depending on the context.
Tsao said Emerson's remark showed "arrogance and disrespect,'' especially in light of comments about Layton and his wife that appeared in another Liberal's blog last week.
"References like that do not help the debate,'' he said.
News of the comment comes just days after a senior member of the Liberal Ontario wing resigned for disparaging remarks about Layton and his wife, Olivia Chow.
Michael Klander, the party's Ontario executive vice-president, in his personal blog compared Chow, a Chinese-Canadian and an NDP candidate in Toronto, to a chow chow dog. The blog also referred to Layton as an "asshole.''
In an interview Wednesday, Emerson said he made the remark about Layton in a speech at a dinner during the B.C. federal Liberals' convention the weekend before the election call. He said it wasn't meant to be disrespectful.
"It was in reference to his constant chattering away with this great big grin on his face, pasted on, kind of an over-extended grin,'' Emerson said.
"It's a Cantonese expression which I use on myself and my wife uses on me all the time when I have to pose for pictures.''
"I was referring to constantly seeing Jack Layton looking like a boiled dog's head, talking about some of these shallow, ideologically driven policies of the NDP.''
Emerson said he learned the jibe from his Hong Kong-born wife, Theresa Yeuk-Si Tang.
"She's got tons of them,'' he said. "We certainly use it in our family and my wife says it's commonly used in the Cantonese community. It certainly wasn't meant as disrespectful.''
Emerson insisted it was in jest and said there are other choice Cantonese phr
D-man |
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"Again, Klander uses homosexuality as an insult and this is both derogatory to gay people and to Mr. Harper and Mr. Duceppe."
Okay, you're worried about something being derogatory towards gay people yet you're supporting Harper? Yikes. There's a term for your behavior:
Cognitive dissonance.
Sean |
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The Canadian Press reporter should be sent back to Journalism 101, check the facts. The Liberal President who posted this story wasn't writing in a blog. He was writing in the official Liberal website for the Liberal Party of Canada (B.C.). Not as a blog, but as a campaign update.
See for yourselves:
http://www.teambc.ca/cgi-bin/new...s.pl?
newsID=245
Patrick |
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This is a dangerous signal of a possible beginning of wide discriminating one or more minorities in Canada.
In order to go through the political crisis, which is caused by their own disgusting performance, a high-ranking executive of a political party and his small circle of friends chose a way of vulgarly disparaging their political opponents. This shows that that bug, possibly and his small circle of friends of liberal party has no wisdom or no way to find basis for attack on others.
This is dangerous, because those political bugs are misleading Canadian people by sacrificing minorities today and having to sacrifice majorities tomorrow.
Get away from political stage, Liberal Party.
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