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while i agree with the sentiment that even in retaliation malkin's info should not have been posted, i am glad that someone of her stature was made to understand how important that rule is. not so that she can feel what the students at ucsc have been feeling but so that she and others will understand why this is such a no-no. and in that sense, i'm glad it has happened. though i do hope that this will be the end of it for her and her family. and i hope also that she urges her fans to stop harrassing the ucsc kids.
How do we know that it's true? Conservatives love to throw around the whole "bush derangement" canard. Since she started the "war" she should be the one who ultimately lives with the consequences...
She probably won't try that again.
In iterated game theory, tit-for-tat is the winning play algorithm. It quickly punishes bad behavior, and is too simple
to trick.
Um, how else was she going to be made to understand how shitty what she did was? People like her are completely lacking in empathy (like serial killers, or President Bush). If something doesn't happen to THEM, as far as they're concerned, it doesn't happen at all.
Could not agree less... Malkin knew she had much more at stake than a bunch of feckless college students... all the more reason to behave like an adult and not a petulant grade school kid. I personally would not have posted her info, but I can't pretend to be sorry she enjoyed the poison fruits of her labors.
She well deserves it!. Why do you shy from playing the same game?
War is hell but no battle was won by playing nice. I say finally someone came to the battle with weapons of the same size. We should come to battle with even bigger weapons.
What? You would expecting mercy from a wing nut? I say they should expect what they give and worse.
Can't condone the retaliation.
But at the end of the day, it works like this -
"Michelle Malkin, meet Reality".
"Reality, Ms. Malkin".
I guess she thought being an enabler and attack dog for a real no-foolin' Center Of Power somehow made her immune to tit-for-tat pushback.
That dumbshit probably wouldn't believe in gravitation either, if she wasn't constantly reminded.
All mouth, no brain.
Now it's time to pay the piper. And the bill for her last bit of insanity seems to have been a doozie.
Face, meet rake. Rake, face.
Malkin stepped on this one all by herself.
Yes, two wrongs don't make a right, but I admit I can't muster any compassion at all for Malkin.
Alas, my earlier encounters with fascism have taught me that the only thing they understand, that causes them to back off, is greater force.
A sad day all around.
No matter how much you dislike her, that's a pretty hefty penalty to pay, if she's serious. The people who dug up her info are no better than she is. If they think they did something heroic, they should be under no illusions about that. They are as sad and pathetic as she is.
sure. but i am still laughing my ass off. ha ha ha ha ha...
dumbass gets what dumbass deserves...
I have no sympathy for her whatsoever. She and her pundit ilk have been acting as though they can pull any kind of damaging mess and it will never come back to bite them. They don't care until it is their problem, and she just got a short, sharp lesson in what happens when you don't play fair. Too bad, so sad...
would you not love to sit on your porch across the street sipping a cold one and thinking good fucking riddance.
_Werd_...
...and if she's so concerned about her kids, she should have thought of them before she pulled this mess. As well, she didn't have much sympathy for the college kids' parents, now, did she?
I have to disagree with Steve.
Certainly, it would be inappropriate to instigate matters through a unilateral and pre-emptive posting of Malkin's contact information. I would not promote such action, nor do I find it defensible.
However, from the view of civic discourse, this is simply the only practical defense against Malkin's first strike. While Malkin can claim the information was already public, so, too, can the respondants claim her information was publically available.
More to the point, the respondants are merely making an avenue available for those who wish to express their views to Malkin, just as she appropriated the press release information in order to open an avenue of discussion between the general public and the students.
Malkin can afford to move. The students are hamstrung by their financial position. They pay by spending their time deleting emails and voicemail messages, etc. rather than engaging in the typical end-of-semester frenzy. She pays by pulling up stakes and moving.
Poor Mrs. Malkin. Someone wipe my tears, please. It's a mean and unfair world out there, and one should not engage in a shit fight unless one is prepared to go home stinking.
As someone who's been unknowingly photographed and featured, as many other left friends and colleagues have, by rightwing European hate sites, I say fuck this namby-pamby niceness, it's what does the left in every single time.
Malkin, like others of her ilk, deserves very single moment of the hell she's going through, and it's a pity no-one did it before.
She wants to play dirty and walk away unscathed? Fuck that. She takes the consequences.
You know, I have generic human being sympathy for her. It sucks for this to happen to anybody. But after the students begged her to take the personal info off, and she pretty much laughed at them part of me pretty much says served you right.
It sounds like Malkin got exactly what she wanted the college kids to get (and did get, sadly). I'm sorry, I do see a difference -- Malkin got what came around; the college kids just got a load of crap dumped on them.
It is completely valid for liberals to benefit from the immoral actions of others committing acts that we, ourselves, would never do.
Yes, the people who harrassed Malkin themselves committed personal sins. Perhaps even crimes, for those who threatened Malkin's health and safety. However, there's no reason that we shouldn't regard the fallout as a positive thing.
There's a reason why people are civil to each other in cities. The reason we don't escalate disputes, yell at people publicly, or engage in legal, but annoying, behavior against others is because we know there's a risk, however small, that an individual may retaliate with disproportionate, perhaps even criminal, force. It's a human failing to retailiate like that. The threat of such a disproportionate reaction causes people to want to de-escalate confrontations.
Now that Malkin has experienced this sort of thing first-hand, she'll be more careful next time.
And yeah, I'm also skeptical she of the partially ghostwritten blog is even moving.
I hope she's learnt. But I could not find any mention of it on her site. I would have expected some contrition over the episode. Even some regret. No, she's still venting at her many enemies, with the same lack of empathy as usual.
I hope her kids are pissed off at her. May she get a thousand cries of "Are we there yet?" from them when she moves.
"What's that awful taste in my mouth? Ewwww, it's my own fucking medicine! (Whuurlllgh...)"
Besides, how long can she hide?
My heart bleeds for her. I am profoundly moved by such a tragedy. Verily, I cry tears of purple piss.
A note of reality, Malkin has been a commenter for several years now without this happening. She insulted a wide spectrum of people, called for blood and bombing while offerring excuses for some of the most shameful acts America has ever committed... and no one published her address.
Up to the point she broke the taboo no one published her address... I don't like that it happened but she did start it.
Number one, I highly doubt that she received such scary scary threats, unless from her own side. She's pretty much proved herself to be a perpetual liar and sneak, and this little episode stinks. Like those "highly, highly offensive" comments on WaPo blog that burned even the delicate ears of a former sports writer and "Fucking disaster" Howell. Yeah, right. Except no one would produce them. They didn't exist.
It's right rightwing loonies that stalk people and issue odious threats, sometimes carrying them out, like against gynecologists. Not the left.
She is probably moving anyway and thought that this would be a great opportunity to bludgeon the liberals with the Civility Card.
Next, if she received, which I doubt, such dastardly threats that caused her to pick up and move her family, well, boo fucking hoo.
Maybe she was field testing a new tactic against protesters and other left wing types: posting address and phone number info on the internet where they can be targeted by the wingnuts. Why stop at having the red squad photograph people when they can direct the thugs right to their homes? After all, they're lawbreakers, and they publish the names and addresses of johns these days, don't they?
Don't be such a wimp Steve. You play with fire, you're going to get burned.
The best thing that could happen to Malkin and others is a swift trip to Guantanamo.
Kharmic payback, moving at the speed of DSL, these days....
The older I get, the more I believe in:
"What goes around comes around."
I think this is also a shitty little robin in the yard, chirping of spring-things to come.
When the shit comes down, in and from Iraq, we are going to be so divided, the Vietnam era will look like one big love-in.
All for a bullshit-based barcalounger-jizz-shot that we didn't need to make. 
Thank you george. Deal with it.
I thnk Malkin is lying.
Lying is in her blood. It's all she knows how to do. Why should this be any different?
I'd also add, that she doesn't KNOW what living fucked, is.
But she can find out real easy. Just hop a plane to Baghdad, and make the tour of the "liberated Iraq" that she's so proud of.
If Malkin is really moving, I'd be willing to bet that she had planned to move anyway. And I don't for a second feel sorry for her -- she got pretty much what she deserved.
But what if she had gotten more? What if some nutcase had showed up at her door? Would that have been fair? Would it have been fair to her children?
There was real potential for this episode to go beyond a bunch of threatening letters, e-mails, and phone calls. That's why putting Malkin's information on the internet was as bad as what Malkin is guilty of.
And I'd also point out that she didn't provide addresses, so this retaliation actually went beyond what Malkin had done.
Sorry Steve, gotta disagree. She got what she deserved and I don't care if it was the racist psycho Malkin or one of our more beloved liberal bloggers. She crossed the line, not once, but twice. And when the students asked her to take the numbers down she refused and mocked them for it. I think that act of defiance was what triggered the publishing of her home address and the bloggers who did it were well within their rights to teach her a lesson and make her suffer with her own medicine.
Had she taken down the students info when asked, this would have blown over and anyone outing her would have been wrong to do so. But her insistence on posting that information repeatedly and refusing to take it down. Sorry, even a cardinal rule such as this - she deserved this and all the fallout tht will ensue.
Right on JC!
Perhaps she and her family could find some shelter here?
Just for her own protection, you understand.
Until all of this unpleasantness blows over.
I'm with Spencer and Gordo. I don't believe she's moving anywhere. Who's going to check this? The reporter got his comment, that's all he's getting. We are relying on the word of Michelle Malkin. (Sure, it could be true, but who wants to take her word for it?)
And Steve's more right than wrong on this. If Malkin were someone who learned from mistakes, publishing her private info might "teach" her something. Unfortunately, Malkin doesn't process things the way you or I do. (Their public information: fair game. Her public information: off limits!) I don't think she learned a thing.
In this case, if she had it to do all over again: She'd do it again.
And by "here" I mean here -- http://www.manzanar.com/ -- since my markup skills are below par this a.m.
To those who think the reaction was heavy-handed, what should have been an appropriate response to Malkin's actions?
i'm with those who are skeptical. this all happened within the past couple of weeks. that's an extraordinarily short time to make such a draastic decision --unless of course it was already in the works.
Steve -- what comes around, gos around. Hate to disagree with you over this, but she brought it upon herself.
If she'd showed the slightest bit of decency, this wouldn't have happened. My view is that she probably overreacted anyway. These wingers always fight until they see the whites of your eye....
She broke the basic law to do unto others what you would have them do unto you. That rule has proved useful over the eons.
Why is what Malkin did in the first place any different from the Hutus (or ws it the tutsis?) using talk radio to alert their followers to exactly where people were hiding so they could be killed? Malkin has incited violence before--she has frequently (like coulter) called for some patriotic american or theoretical police person to simply go forth and kill or injure persons Malkin has deemed "unamerican." She has used her blog to call for "retribution" for various "crimes" that she proposes exist when people lawfully protest their government (in fact, in the article in question she charged the students with "sedition" of all things.
Why is that any different from inciting violence against specific people, giving out their addresses, and sending your thugs out to do the damage in a speech? Its not.
Malkin and her husband don't deserve the death threats, or potential or actual violence they are (supposedly) being exposed to. But they are in the position of being the focus of a lot of people's anger because of hateful, angry, violent acts they have been advocating (and committing by proxy) for a long, long, time. Oddly, no one ever took the step of publishing any of their information (and it remains unclear whether the single person who did so, themole, in comments, was actually a leftist/progressive at all) until Malkin crossed the line with the students. To me that is the restraint that progressives and liberals have always shown--separating their rebuttals of Malkins hateful writings from actual attempts to restrain or redirect her writings.
I don't see what she has to complain about, what is sauce for the students is sauce for Malkin and if she wants any sympathy she is going to have to ask for it while extending deep and humble apologies to the students and their families for putting them in danger.
aimai
"No matter how much you dislike her, that's a pretty hefty penalty to pay, if she's serious. The people who dug up her info are no better than she is. If they think they did something heroic, they should be under no illusions about that. They are as sad and pathetic as she sis."
She reaped what she sowed. All very fair in my mind.
Well if this is true, then all I have to say is "Karma"
Simply Karma. It sucks that her kids may have to suffer for her, but only she can control that. Ahe wants a less stressful life, quite simple, spew less hate.
Karma, simply treat people nicely, and they generaly will return the curtosey.
I think about malkin smearing Cindy Sheehan, defending interment, sicking her attackdog fans on her opponenttes, I really can't feel sorry for her.
Karma, Malkin, Karma
Loving every minute of it! There's so much people will tolerate but enough is enough and the bitch is deserving what she's getting!
Actually I think what Malkin did was basically evil aggressive shit, and I have no problem with the fact that she's paying for it now.
Harassment isn't a game.
It's provoking, bullying traumatizing behavior engaged in by an aggressor and it evokes primal, long-lasting rage and vulnerability in victims (and their sympathizers). For her to think she could instigate these quasi-crimes against random liberals just for shits and giggles...well, I doubt she's laughing now.
One more idiot, immature, irresponsible, sociopath Republican learns a basic reality lesson about vulnerability and retaliation. Victimize others in an evil way, and you can pretty much count on being fucked with in revenge. That rule applies to individuals, as well as nations. Funny how Republicans always seem surprised when their victims fight back.
It's not classy nor a beautiful exhibition of the human spirit, but frankly neither is Malkin.
Although I would love to think that her evil ways are catching up to her. This sounds like bull-shit to me. These folks are allways shitting in the pool of public dicussion and then assuming the role of the victom!
I just wish folks on our side would quit beeing SOOOOOOOOO soft! Why do so many lberals line up to make apologies!?!
The game they play is hard ball! Show up or shut-up!!!!!!
Oh, boo-hoo, she got hoisted by her own fucktard petard. :-P
papataco,
Even though I may feel that way, you can
't ever defend this. No mmatter who it happens to.
Jim in Chicago ,
Then why not hire a PI and post all her information online. Because that's stalking. Her offense was enough to make her look like a coward. Making her a victim is stupid.
payback,
Because it's wrong. Would you be happy if it was Kos, with his toddler son? Wrong is wrong, whether you like Malkin or not and I find her despicable.
deering,
Stupid, evil and venal,sure but her kid didn't do anything. Her orignal offense was enough to get her hammered online. Now she's a victim and can play that card.
Sometime you have to be smarter than you want to be,
Paul Taylor,
Really? So what if someone stalked Digby or Driftglass because their info was online. There is no derense for putting personal info online, none. If her kid was hurt, you wouldn't defend it then, no matter how stupid her mother is.
Martin Wisse,
Trust me, this isn't about being a wimp. You do not want to see this become common. Because someone will get hurt.
NC Dem,
So if someone followed her kid to school, and called her private cell making threats,that's OK?
What Malkin did was wrong, very wrong, but I think she could get a free ride.
However, think of the argument you could have if NO ONE threatened her, no one posted her info online. She would be totally in the wrong and in an indefensible position. Her right wing buddies would have nothing to talk about, she couldn't cry victim.
In short, she would be totally exposed and we'd have the moral high ground. We would have one issue to discuss, her conduct.
The easy thing to do is post all her shit online. The hard thing to do is to not retaliate so simply, and make her conduct the only issue. Now she can do her drama queen stuff and dine out on this for years. How she stood up to the evil liberals.
If the only thing to discuss was what she did, and this is a gross violation of internet rules, she would have faced a lot more heat than the momentary pleasure of revenge.
My gut tells me that the death threat people, if they exist, are Redstaters still pissed off over her going after Domenich.
Hey, maybe she can find the nearest interment cam- I mean, Halliburton Pre-Emptive Holding Center, or whatever the hell it's called.
What I want to know is do you think she has learned her lesson? I don't think so. I think she would do it again if she could guarantee that her new info would not be released.
One more point that I wanted to make, weren't her kids home schooled? I thought that was somehting that she was always defending, home schoolers and how she homeschooled her kids.
I have to agree with James Brown on this one: "Don't Start None, Won't Be None."
The students at UCSC are someone's children too and she didn't care about them. Are small children threatening her children? Why would she need to pull them out of school or move? After all of her outrageous behavior and statements, you cannot tell me that THIS incident is the one that is causing her the most grief. Perhaps she ought to home school. Aren't public schools too liberal for her tastes anyway?
I'm not impressed, not convinced and not sympathetic.
I am with Steve on this one.
I particularly enjoyed Jeff Goldstein's take, summarized thus: "We'll have to agree to disagree about Malkin's conduct, but surely we can all agree the moonbats who did the same thing should be condemned, right?"
Steve,
I am not convinced that this really happened to poor little Michelle. You notice that the column has email received by the students, but not by poor little Michelle. I think she's making it up in order to appear the poor little victim. It all fits a pattern. Poor little Jimmy Guckert claimed his family got threats. Poor little Debbie claimed the same. So did young plagiarizer Domenech. Turns out the ONE that he (mis)quoted was from that fine, upstanding patriot General JC Christian.
Show me where the emails, IF they exist, are truly threatening, are not fake AND prove they originated as the result of the left blogosphere. Until then, I don't believe it. These people are liars and thieves, and not above faking threatening emails either.
she deserved it, plain and simple.
Show me the police report about the threats she received and I'll condemn the people who made them. Actually, show me the report by the law enforcement agency who validated the threats and what they said, and I'll decide if what the threateners did justified Malkin's response.
Steve
Eh, when it comes to cyber-stalking, you reap what you sew.
Oh, and by the way, you really need to throw that milk out of the fridge -I nearly barfed last time I was at your place. Thanks.
"We'll have to agree to disagree about Malkin's conduct, but surely we can all agree the moonbats who did the same thing should be condemned, right?"
Haysoos.
However, the fundies cannot fault her punishment. It's right out of the Bible that they thump so devotedly: "An eye for an eye..." To them, two wrongs DO make a right.
Malkin can change her cell phone and can afford to hire a security company to watch her house. The students can't. I have no sympathy whatsoever, and the punishment does fit the crime exactly.
I disagree. They were absolutely justified. There is no talking to a person like Malkin. She only understands concrete retaliation. Does that abyss of evil actually have children to remove from school? I don't believe her at any rate--but surely do hope it's true.
And let's not forget that this kind of thing is an approved Fox News tactic as well.
With my luck, the harridan will move in next door to my estate at Drachenheim.
I would bet money their house was on the market before she was "forced" to move.
Any realtors out there who can check?
She set the rule. Live by the sword, die by the sword. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you.
Come on Steve, she's the one who insists this is fair play. It would be stupid to not hold her to her own standards.
I bet she learned why it was such a stupid thing to do. It's the only way idiots like her learn.
You guys in sympathy from Malkin are invariably saying that Malkin can define the parameters of the shit-storm she started. In chaos theory "THINGS TAKES A LIFE A LIFE OF THEIR OWN", and that any reaction should be equaly measured, until she decides to escalate the conflict. In other words YOU Guys want her to always be in the driving seat of the conflict she started!!
What if a crazy person shoots and kills Malkin? Then would you say that posting her personal information was the right thing to do?
I hate her guts and would feel indifferent if, say, she were diagnosed with terminal ovarian cancer. But if she ended up paying her life for her loathsome behavior, it wouldn't be a victory for us.
Malkin knew or should have known better than to post the information on her blog. However, when you involve children in the situation (if that is what indeed has happened) a line has been crossed. I understand the posts wanting Malkin to take responsibility for her actions and I agree, but her children have nothing to do with her actions and should not be threatened with harm. With that said, Malkin is reaping what she has sowed. Did she think that no one would find out the information and give her a little taste of her own medicine? You have whack jobs everywhere. Initially giving out that information was irresponsible on Malkin's part, but giving out Malkin's home address tit-for-tat was equally irresponsible. I have no problem calling her cell and leaving 5 minute blank messages to eat up mailbox space, but you shouldn't call someone's house where a child may be present and leave a threatening message. I know it seems like people are trying to give Malkin a pass; I'm not. I think we as liberals should not engage in the behavior of the right just because we can. We are better than that.
Malkin's lucky she didn't get dragged into the street like the fucking dog that she is and get beat into a puddle of goo.
Even that is too good for that fucking bitch.
Throw her in an internment camp.
Her worst fear is being ignored.
It was wrong to do to Malkin, but not AS wrong as what Malkin did. There is not a one-to-one moral equivalence.
I'm no handwringing liberal. As ye sow so shall ye reap. Fu*k her, she started it with her irresponsible behavior. Time for her to understand what personal responsibility REALLY means.
hahahahahahahaha! is this true? she really has to move?
oh, i couldn't misspell all the german words for "neener neener" right now if i wanted to. what a weekend to be offline, i wish i'd caught this when it was fresh.
and you know steve, as much as i know you're right, and that the people who did this are in the wrong, i'm not at all sorry that there are "sickos" on our side. the cunt brought it on herself, and i'm glad she got what she deserved.
The info about her was posted simultaneously on a number of sites and was then deleted promptly by the site owners. Amazingly it was posted shortly before she "went public" that it had been posted. Except for Jesus' General, it all was deleted by the proprietors of the sites as soon as it was pointed out. In contrast, she refused to delete even when requested by the students.
To further clarify:
I think we'll probably have to agree to disagree about the behavior of the moonbats as well.
I'd like to think this story is true,but I think it's more likely Malkin is spinning an already planned move to make herself the victim of her own transrgression.
jeez, some of the comments from you handwringers are simply amazing. The main possiblity of violence comes from the reich-wingers, not liberals.
Anyone got her new address?
Steve, simple analogy:
White guy walks down the middle of the street in Compton, or Harlem, or Queens, and starts mouthing off the appropriate racial slurs for the non-white group in Question (which in Queens is a lot of different groups).
One woman of whatever ethnic origin takes offense, walks up and slaps him in the face.
She's committed assault. He's been engaging in lawful Constitutionally protected speech.
Is there anyone, including you, who would argue that, whatever the legal status of both acts, he was asking for it?
Live by the sword...
Sorry, should read "wasn't asking for it?"
I want proof that she recieved threats and has been forced to move.
Steve, Malkin is _always_ playing the victim--that is what she and winger pundits _do_. As well, she consistently takes advantage of the "good form/bad form" rule--she pulls the most egregious mess, and not only expects to get away with it, but thinks she has a right to just because. Adults consider consequences to themselves and to others before they act, and she wasn't concerned about her children or anything else but smacking down those "traitorous" kids. She can go cry her river somewhere else--nobody but her winger suckup friends will care.
Yield to our hateful impulses we must not. Only to the dark side that leads. Consume us it will. 
Now she can do her drama queen stuff and dine out on this for years.
I hope she does. The publicity will impress on her wingnut followers that this sort of thing is a bad idea. Make it less likely that any of them will try it.
Personally I think shutting down the behavior is more important than whether or not it gives her another subject to whine about. She'll play the victim anyway, and if there isn't anything from "the libs" for her to claim victimization over, then she'd make something up. (Which she may well be doing here.)
I don't agree. She deserved this. Actions have consequences and trying to be better than our enemies is why we've been losing. You give what you get. you get what you give.
The way of force and hate is the way of Robespierre and Lenin. The way of justice is the way of Gandhi and Dr. King. Whose legacies live on, and whose are found only in history books?
Malkin's got to pay a price. To give her a pass on this is once again to let the Right get away with no accountability. There has to be payment made for mistakes (especially repeated mistakes) made and so far Malkin has had no consequences, ever, in her career. It's not like there's some kind of accountability police to correct the crime Malkin committed and until there is, this is the best way to handle the situation.
Here's the thing, steve, it has to be remembered that with the exception of Jesus's General who posted what purported to be a map to camp Malkinwald (but which as far as I know is not, in fact, a map to anywhere, not necessarily accurate, and not possessing any things like address or number, zip code etc...)there is no evidence that "left wingers" or "bloggers" posted utilizable data about Malkin. There is some evidence that some person (name and object unknown) did post her information in the comment sections of various blogs but that it was deleted as quickly as possible by the blog hosts.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't seem necessary for "the left" or your posters, or readers of blogs in general to condemn this--obviously we think its wrong and the millions of us who *even if we had the information* would not have used it in any unkind or unlawful manner must be weighed against the few, unknown, and of unknown objectives, who *did* use the information to attack Malkin.
I'm just not sure this requires any kind of mea culpa or any lectures on how this is letting the cat out of the bag or something. People have been stalking famous people for some time--look at Luskin stalking Krugman, look at our celebrity obsessed culture. Malkin may well have lots of right wing stalkers and admirers who she fears as well as hypothetical political opponents. If I were her and I'd been marketing myself as a sexy right wing rallyign point I'd be more scared of the lonely white boys on my own side than anything.
I'm with the others, this is like watching karma at work. I take no more responsibility for schadenfreude in this instance than people like Malkin and the freepers do when they make fun of the tragic deaths (deaths!) of Marla Ruzicka or the peace workers.
aimai
We need to ask Earl of "My Name Is Earl" his enlightened opinion of the Malkin Mess... perhaps he would suggest she get a list of her own?
Fuck her, the rotten douchebag. What did she expect. She started the whole thing. Does she really think she can spew any vile remark out of her ass and not eventually suffer any consequences. Fuck her to hell.
That's a map to her internment camp, not her house.
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Agreed, aimai. What liberal blog posted Malkin's information anyways? I hadn't heard of this retaliation anywhere else...
Add me to the list of people who reckon Malkin got what she deserved (assuming it's not all bullshit, and I reckon it is).
If no-one published her contactables, or no-one supposedly threatened her, what were people going to do? Reason with her and try to convince her she was wrong? Tried that, fuck that.
She would have done it again. Now she probably won't.
I don't believe she's moving and I generally don't believe anything that she spews from her hate-riddled brain.
The story that she is is bullshit.
The idea that she has children is appalling.
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I might be the only commentator on this thread who knows Michelle Malkin personally. She worked for several years as a columnist for the Seattle Times when I was there, and we discussed politics often, sometimes daily.
I have to respectfully disagree with Steve here. Michelle Malkin is a poison, evil, malevolent bitch, who needs to learn responsibility for her actions. She knew perfectly well what she was doing when she posted those names. she thought she was entitled to do it, with no accountability, and she intended to profit from doing it. There shouldn't be a hiding place, even in hell, for her.
No sympathy for Malkin. Republicans start unnecessary wars, and we stop them with the biggest weapons we can muster.
I say finally someone came to the battle with weapons of the same size. We should come to battle with even bigger weapons.
As they say, you don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
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She isn't worth the trouble, nor the attention. I will say, though, to anyone who's received a death threat, electronic or otherwise:
CALL THE POLICE.
Make a report. Have it on record, the number, the time of the call, and have your local PD on watch for more of this crap. You may think it's silly, but it's not.
A.
Thank you, Steve. I totally agree that there is no place for this kind of behavior, from anyone.
I'm not hearing much talk about those that have done the threatening... isn't it so that making threats, especially death threats, is a crime? If so, then those that have done so, on both sides, should be feeling some heat.
There is no place for death threats in this battle. I'm not happy about them, and I will not support them with moral convenience.
Fight back, hell yes, but with intelligence and strategy, not with Pavlovian reactions.
"She hit me with a stinky fish first!"
The liberals outside admire your political maturity Americans. The first amendment is your greatest gift to the world. Don't fuck it up please. The shooting would have started long back in any other country with such factional hatred.
Keep it civilized.
Mmmm...endangered species burger. 
For those living outside the USA, that was a "Simpsons" reference. (Or is "The Simpsons" TV program known outside the USA already?)
Mmmm...stinky fish.
Off to bed for me, gang. After a week's vacation, I havta go back to work tonight (insert "PSYCHO" shower scene music here).
What goes around, comes around.
She chose to reject the students' polite requests that she remove their personal info from her website.
Although I don't like it, she had freedom of choice in her response to their polite requests, and she chose wrong.
1. I don't believe anything malkin says.
2. Fuck her
3. She deserves, at least, being forced to move.
As Jon Stewart once said, "You're hurting America."
You know the kind of gal who does bad things, and then wonders why those mean ol’ liberals hate her guts?
Well, that was me.
Every time I caused something bad to happen in a liberal’s life, something worse was waiting around the corner to happen to me.
Karma.
That’s when I realized maybe I should change. But I won’t.
So I made a list of eveything bad I've ever done, and one by one I’m gonna repeat all my mistakes.
I’m just trying to be a petty, vindictive bitch.
My name is Malkin.
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She should count herself lucky. Mussolini and wife got the meat hook.
One other thing, after reading Steve's reply here.
Steve, the mistake you're making is a simple, easy one to make. You assume that malkin and those lying fucksticks like her play by some set of rules. They don't. They haven't and they never will. So when you pretend that they have some sense of decency, some moral sense, you're wrong. And that mistake my friend ends up biting you in the ass.
No, malkin got exactly what she deserved, no less and she probably deserves more. It hasn't been liberal commenters and bloggers who have said the other side should bombed, killed, tried for treason or imprisoned. No Steve, it was Malkin and the rest and frankly, if they pay some small, trivial penalty, good. Maybe they'll think just a little but before escalating the fight more. malkin had a chance to back down. She didn't. She meant for those students to get fucked.
It's time to stand up and start smacking these wingnut fucks around. They don't listen to reason. They're not guided by decency. What's left?
i wish she'd been as traumatized as she claims. but i think the bitch is lying. and until someone links to where her personal info was posted, i'm not beleiving it.
what she's saying about her kids, about moving is nothing but a sympathy ploy to deflect attacks for having violated the students' privacy and quite possibly exposed them to harm.
by claiming to be a victim herself, she turns the whole incident into a ot of handwringing about the need for decorum and decency on the 'net.
fuck her with a rusty chainsaw. i hate her.
Responding in kind by posting Malkin's info makes the person who did that no better than Malkin. While I do not blame Malkin for what is happening to her, she did set this train in motion. IF what she say is true, and I have my doubts, given Malkin's history with the truth, her family should not have to suffer like that.
But then, at the same time, Malkin showed no remorse when she posted the students' information. She knew what she was doing too.
The larger issue here is the juvenile nature of all of this. Unfortunately there are those on the left just as guilty of this kind of thing as those on the right.
Is this for real? I wanna know where her info was posted and what was posted before I believe anything out of her mouth about this. She's a lying hag and everything she says should be scrutinized with a magnifying glass that weighs about a metric ton before you believe it.
As the saying goes:
Two wrongs don't make a right but it damn sure makes even...
Was write to post her stuff...nas
Will it make her think agin b4 posting someone else's stuff..
Hell Yeah
Steve, the mistake you're making is a simple, easy one to make. You assume that malkin and those lying fucksticks like her play by some set of rules. They don't. They haven't and they never will. So when you pretend that they have some sense of decency, some moral sense, you're wrong.
DING DING DING DING DING!
We have a weiner!!!
And yeah, I don't for a minute believe any of what Magalangadingdong says. Has the "liberal website" that posted her info been identified?
Right...that's supposed to be RIGHT..sigh, I've got a Masters in English...you'd never know:-(
Without giving her site the traffic, it would be nice to know if she did move as a result of the postings, or even moved at all, and also if she did file complaints with the police.
I fall into that category of people who would not publish her info, would play "nice", but would be hoping all along that the next person she screwed over wouldn't have my scruples. This has proven to be a handy modus for most of my life and as usually happens, Michelle Baby is one of those people that are good at creating their own problems.
So does anyone know if she really moved, and if so, really why?
BTW, I quickly found her address (using her husband's name) using one of those "directory" websites a couple of weeks ago. I didn't need it posted, but quite frankly, her phone number, at least should have been.
Sorry, Stupid Racist Cunt, but that's the modern world in the internet age. As you well fucking know.
This isn't juvenile, it's dangerous. But perhaps it is high time that the left stops bringing a knife to the gunfight.
See, I take the right at the word of its Malkins and Coulters and Limbaughs and Savages. They would jail, intern, deport and even kill liberals if they could just get enough critical mass behind them to do it.
I'm not happy it's come to this, but it has and there have to be consequences for the kind of things the Malkins of the world have been able to do with impunity for far too long. If this is it, so be it.
Since a few Biblical quotes have been invoked, how about "reap as ye shall sow"?
Mmmm...endangered species burger.
Kid Charlemagne | 04.24.06 - 11:37 am |
What does that mean Kid Charlemagne?
Your country is pretty close to political assasinations as far as I can judge.
I don't believe her.
WELL I
KNOW THAT
KARL ROVE LIVES AT
4925 WEAVER TER NW
WASHINGTON DC 20016
For those who are wondering, I did indeed see her address and I believe, phone number, posted at a student site. Not in comments.
No idea if any threats came about as a result.
So what if someone stalked Digby or Driftglass because their info was online.
If Digby or Driftglass did what Malkin did, I'd say they had it coming.
And I say that as a huge fan of both Digby's and Drifty's work.
Shorter Malkin: There's nothing wrong with posting personal info online.
Shorter UCSC: Yes, there is. We got death threats from your asshole friends.
Shorter Malkin: So what? There's nothing wrong with that! Look, I'll do it again!
Shorter third-party posters: In that case, you won't mind if we post YOURS.
Shorter Malkin: Waah! Meanie liberals!
Understand that I'm not saying posting Malkin's information (assuming it was done by anyone other than Malkin herself) was the right thing to do - just that it was the single most blindingly obvious outcome of the whole sordid affair, and it's one that Malkin's kids probably would have seen coming if Mommy had asked them first.
adding to V's post of rove's address, you'll know you're at his house when you see parked out front a lexus bearing DC tags reading "GOP-1" -- the old DC "nation's capital" plates, not the current "taxation without representation" ones.
This is absurd. I have looked through kos and I've looked through all of these comments. Narry a word on which liberal site posted her personal info.
Until I see it, I don't believe for a second that this is true.
Political violence is the first sign of fascism. Does anyone on this site actually believe that it will be the LEFT that starts it?!?!?!?
You liberal handwringers need to wake up to the eliminationist "rhetoric" of the reich-wing.
To the bleeding heart who is so worried that Malkin's children have been affected, let me remind you that some of those students whose phone numbers she posted may have children, or at least parents and younger brother and sisters who were affected as well. When you don't care about other people's kids, why should anyone care about yours?
Anyone got her new address?
reef the dog | 04.24.06 - 10:31 am
I love you, reef the dog.
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"However, think of the argument you could have if NO ONE threatened her, no one posted her info online. She would be totally in the wrong and in an indefensible position. Her right wing buddies would have nothing to talk about, she couldn't cry victim."
For all we know, this is exactly what's happened. Add my name to the list of folks who don't believe a damn word she says.
Also: I think this gets to an important question for us: do we want to win, or do we want to feel superior to them? Because sometimes, we are going to have to choose.
Personally, for me, once Malkin said she didn't see a problem with posting personal info of others, she was saying that she didn't see a problem with hers being posted - and for nobody to have responded by saying, "Really? You don't care if someone posts YOURS?" would have been yet another example of Democrats/progressives fucking up by failing to show that we understand how to fight, which plays into a stereotypical Democratic issue of strength and courage.
p.s. I'm impressed that the left has survived as a political movement without understanding the basic politics of self-defense.
jeez, some of the comments from you handwringers are simply amazing.
Somewhere in Hell, Lyndon Johnson is shaking his head, wondering what happened to the fighting spirit of his party.
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These neocons have no experience with consequences. I only have sympathy for her family that are paying for her crime.
Political violence is the first sign of fascism. Does anyone on this site actually believe that it will be the LEFT that starts it?!?!?!?
You liberal handwringers need to wake up to the eliminationist "rhetoric" of the reich-wing.
Indeed. Malkin and her ilk have created this atmosphere of thuggish and bullying discourse, and I'm not gonna blame any injured party for swinging back and swinging back hard. David Mamet laid it out very nicely in The Untouchables:
Malone: You said you wanted to get Capone. Do you really wanna get him? You see what I'm saying is, what are you prepared to do?
Eliot Ness: Anything and everything in my power.
Malone: And then what are you prepared to do? If you open the can on these worms you must be prepared to go all the way because they're not gonna give up the fight until one of you is dead.
Eliot Ness: How do you do it then?
Malone: You wanna know how you do it? Here's how: they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. That's the Chicago way, and that's how you get Capone! Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that?
Eliot Ness: I have sworn to capture this man with all legal powers at my disposal and I will do so.
Malone: Well, the Lord hates a coward. Do you know what a blood oath is, Mr. Ness?
Eliot Ness: Yes.
Malone: Good, 'cause you just took one.
You don't get ahead by appeasing bullies and thugs who come at you anymore than you do paying off blackmailers. Look at the nose art on the plane at the top of this site: Steve's motto for the fighting liberals.
A quieter approach might have been the way to go with Malkin. Rather than having her home address plastered all over the internet, someone should have just driven past her house at night with a printout from her web site about the SAW students and a note attached that simply read "WE KNOW." Simple and subtle.
And yeah, I'm also skeptical she of the partially ghostwritten blog is even moving.
None of the SAW kids have moved, and what she got paled in comparison to what she got.
Color me doubtful.
Spencer, so true. I feel for Malkin, as a mom. However, she seems to to have forgotten that actions have consequences, one of the primary lessons we parents must pass on to our children. When I'm confronted with a volatile situation, I try to behave in a way that will make my children proud. I wonder if Malkin would advise her kids to behave as she did? She set the tone here. I feel sorry for her kids, not just for this sad episode, but also for the lessons they'll never learn from her because of her idiocy, maliciousness, and shortsidedness.
The thing about growing up, buying a house, becoming a parent, and doing a high-profile job is this: You become invested. Which means that society's rules start to become much more important, because you start having something to lose when they're not followed.
This is why people do crazy shit in college that would never occur to them 15 years later. Once you get invested, you've got all your marbles riding on that social contract. Your choices aren't just about your life anymore -- they're also about the lives of your children, your spouse, and the people who depend on you to fulfill the role you've taken on.
That's the equation Malkin failed to make when she broke the rules. And, in failing to make it, she put the lie once and for all to the (always ridiculous) idea that conservatives are somehow the "grownups."
This is a mistake that no grown-up with an accurate picture of his or her responsibilities would have ever made. She behaved like a petulant child who thinks the rules don't apply to her; and in doing so, she put her own children in harm's way.
Welcome to the adult world, Michelle -- the place where your decisions have real consequences.
Don't like it? Deal. The rest of us manage to.
And don't you ever dare to presume that you're in any position to tell the rest of us how the world works, because you just proved you don't have a clue.
Talking about revealing personal information online... well, I'm speechless. I like the eXile, but that's really, really dodgy. Even though it sounds like the guy had it coming.
This may ahve been noted upthread, but Malkin will make money off of this episode (certainly enough to cover her expenses with A) A Book Deal, and B) Paid Gigs before people stupid enough to shell out cash to listen to her play Joan of Arc (apologies Joan).
This incident will also serve as fodder to feed the inevitable Hysteria Campaign that will accompany a legislative crackdown on online speech.
Malkin will make money off of this bullshit, because that's what she does, and that's what her fans like to pay for. We can't deprive her of material (because she'll make shit up if she has to), but we can defend ourselves, and we can make our own case to people who aren't simple-minded reactionary whackos.
Same deal with legislative efforts. The lesson is *NOT* to try to appease Republican whackos; the lesson is to stand up to them and expose them for what they are.
Malkin got exactly what she deserved, if she isn't lying about having to move. She broke one of the cardinal rules of the internet and would continue to do so if she paid no penalty. If all that had happened in response to her attacks were a bunch of whining posts on liberal blogs, she would have been encouraged to do it again. Malkin would have seen that her vicious tactics worked, and that reward would have spurred her on to even more destructive behavior.
Now she has paid the price for her actions, if she can be believed. Like a puppy whose nose was rapped with a rolled-up newspaper, she is less likely to shit all over the place again.
I've been harassed on the Net, and you had best believe that the best defense is a good offense. There is no better, faster way to get rid of someone who threatens you than by issuing a counter-threat in return. When someone posts filth and obscenities on my site and tries to harass and intimidate, I trace their IP address, find out whether they've used a work computer and offer to let their employer know what they've been up to. Works every single time I do it. Interestingly, every time I've had to do that, the offender whined about censorship and unfairness. They never seem to consider that when they're posting about raping animals and killing people, however. (There's something about wingnuts and bestiality that I just don't get.) Malkin is no different from these cowardly bullies, only she has a bigger platform platform to spew her filth.
"I am now forced to remove one of my children from school and move my family," Malkin wrote Thursday in an e-mail to the Sentinel.
This bitch started it. She was even given an opportunity to back off while still 'winning' when the group asked Malkin to remove the contact info.
The whole mindset of these reich-wing assholes is that they are above and exempt from the rules, that they can smugly attack and destroy everyone else, the mentality of bullies.
Malkin thought she'd beat up on some hippies and they'd be an easy target. Now she's getting some payback, a taste of what she has done to many others and a lesson in her own vulnerability.
A normal person would take lessons in humility from this experience, and perhaps tone down the rhetoric and destructiveness, but I think it will just feed her screeching self-righteousness, fiecen her attacks on others to quash any nascent feelings of vulnerability or humanity, and add a self-indulgent 'victim' complex.
I think she was moving anyway & blamed the kids so she could mine the comments section of lefty blogs for her new book "Unmoved- How loony moonbats forced me to buy a bigger house with the profits from my last idiotic tome"
Given Malkin's power advantage in this situation she should not have used such low level tactics. Once done, the door is open for what can only be considered fair retribution.
They did not publish anyone's info but the initial culprit's. Fair fuckin game, dude.
jill, I think you might have misunderstood me - I meant that the most likely outcome was so obvious, that even Malkin's kids could have figured it out in just a couple of minutes. Why she couldn't do so herself is telling.
We'll find out in a few days that she isn't moving at all and that her kid was sent home because of head lice.
Why does this sound like that other drama queen - Katherine Harris - when she made her promise to spend her inheritance in the FL senate race?
She backed off on that pretty quickly.
Malkin is a liar. And as much as the right decries the supposed left-wing "embrace of victimhood," no one likes to cry about being victimized like the righties.
But let's pretend this is all true. That her children, her family were harassed.
Like the way Cindy Sheehan has been harassed. Like the way Michael Schiavo was harassed. Like the way Hispanic politicians have been harassed. Like the way anti-war demonstrators have been harassed. Like the way pro-choice people and clinics have been harassed.
Now let's think about how badly we feel for Malkin...
Weird. I don't feel badly at all. I wonder why.
someone near the beginning of the thread suggested that Malkin was conducting a "field test" of a new tactic by posting the phone numbers and home addresses of the UC Santa Cruz students
this is very plausible, given the increasingly charged political environment, and the undoubted allure on the right for inflaming hostility towards obvious scapegoats like the Santa Cruz activists
she must have thought that they were perfect, left, anti-establishment types that liberals and Democrats usually keep a good distance away from
so, she could energize the right wing base against those "seditious" students, probably believing that they would be hung out to dry
if she had succeeded, we could have reasonably expected to see this done more often, but now, they will probably be a little more careful
I don't condone the response to her, but, on the other hand, I don't really know what the alternative was either, after she keep posting student info after being told they were receiving threats
she deliberately chose them as the victims here, believing that they would have no recourse, as the thugs kept after them, and it backfired horribly
sorry my beloved, Steve. I am totally not with you on this one. two wrongs don't make a right. but one wrong and one right don't make a right either. i wouldn't have done what either of the two parties did, but in no way shape or form is the SAW as "sad and pathetic" as she is. when do we stop turning the other cheek. you know, the cheek that hasn't been slapped 100 times already. i'm not for any of this..but i don't agree with your putting all the parties in the same league. someone started this fight.
Actually, what Malkin actually deserves is to sprain her ankle or otherwise get immobilized over here: http://www.goforbroke.org/
about_...us_monument.asp for a few hours and have to chat with some Nisei vets who enlisted straight from the internment camps and are short a few limbs about the 442nd RCT taking the Gothic Line in one day.
Whenevever I'm downtown with some friends I drag them over there.
I thought she used her second amendment rights to defend her first amendment rights.
Let me get this straight: We're suppose to sympathize with this rat bitch for somebody doing to her what she did to somebody else in the first place?????
Uh... I don't think so. I don't condone this but she reaped what she sowed. SHE ASKED FOR IT!
Something is fishy about this story. If Malkin is moving on account of emails, I think she's an idiot. I could get a hundred death threats a day through the Internet, and my next-door neighbor could buy his kids a Rottweiler puppy, and I'd feel more threatened by his Rottweiler.
You know what I just realized (after a few late-thread comments) is that we're having a silly argument about whether "we" condone the response, because *Michelle* *Malkin* *HERSELF* condones the response.
Think about it: she posted personal info. She was asked to stop. She said she thought it was fine, so she wouldn't stop. Then her personal info was posted. Tough shit - she said it was okay for people to do that, so she can't tack on an exception for herself now.
We shouldn't waste time wondering how to make her arguments and actions logical, because they're not, and neither is she, and she doesn't *want* them or herself to be.
The people who dug up her info are no better than she is
Sure they are. THEY had to be provoked into doing what they did. SHE did it out of spite.
She got what she deserved.
Well, if you were paying attention you'd know that posting personnel information on the web led to the death of two men in Maine last weekend (and only by luck, apparantly, were more not killed). And just to make sure it happens again, Maine (along with many other states) still has its list of so-called child sex offenders (which includes the names of men who has sex with their 15 year old girl friends when they were 19 - one of the men killed was convicted of this and nothing else). I'm not sure what punishment Malkin should get (banishment from public discourse would be ideal, but her wingnut friends wouldn't go along) but publishing her information isn't it. And publishing it is different than it simply being available, because by publishing it this way, the intent is that someone use it.
she shouldn't be having kids
period
I'm as big on holding to a basic set of well-defined net-iquette rules as anyone, and at the core of it, yes...the dissemination of someone's vital personal info via the internet as a potential weapon of harm is a BAD THING.
How-f*cking-ever (Ooops! I cursed! Now I'm a cwaaaaay-zee liberal!), if "the Malkins" are indeed moving, ("if" in the respect that she probably, as is her wont, lying) my guess is that it was probably something already in the works and is being spun in such a way to garner sympathy for her willful, beyond-the-pale, destructive attempt to intimidate and punish the SAW students by publicizing their information.
But mind you, this is the time she's been burned like this in spite of repeatedly using her bully pulpit in the recent past to print the contact info of people she disagrees with--people who probably along Steve's respectful line of neti-quette were expecting her to at the most, rail against them, but NOT publish their contact info so that they may be harassed by the mouth-breathing pud-pullers who worship her words and spatter their screens in sick, vicarious appreciation of her "looks".
She's gloated heartily about costing a mean e-mailer his job after publishing his contact info so that his job was contacted by scores of her fanboys and the person was terminated. And the joyless little wretch has published contact info for "Joe-Blow" dissenters who've contacted her on her site and even on the back of one of her books. The "rules" are known to her and she consistently flouts them because she is such a weak debater of her issues that all she has is spite and vindictiveness to fall back on--thus, the constant breaking of the "rules".
Her having done this before, and suffering NO smackdown or even rebuke from her sh*tty side of the aisle is clear testament to her not being held accountable, even when the misdeeds are left to stand on their own, ugly and evil under a spotlight--while everybody looks off into the wings instead.
"...and if she's so concerned about her kids, she should have thought of them before she pulled this mess. As well, she didn't have much sympathy for the college kids' parents, now, did she?
This is a key, salient point. What water-headed, 300 baud, just-got-an-Amiga *sshat wouldn't think about the incendiary consequences of internet "f*ck-and-be-f*cked" justice? Maybe some of these students have kids too. Perhaps they live at home with family members equally unrelated to ther activities as the crazed, harpy Malkin does.
And her "spin" against her reprehensible act was called before her sh*t even blew up in her face:
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...6793215/
#537733, because she's pulled the "Owwwww! I got fouled!--immediately after sneakily elbowing another player in the throat" act before, so forgive me for not being as unequivocal in my feelings about her alleged recent misfortune.
What is telling is her kitchen sink version of the GOP's blockbuster epic of mendacity writ large. She whines as the aggrieved, wounded party to exposure of vital personal info on the web--after going waaaaay out of her way (even after being asked not to) to billboard and then defend the billboarding of personal info of people she disagrees with.
Now picture that against the Bush admin's (and the GOP's) whining as the aggrieved, wounded party to exposure of secret info that exposes misdeeds by them after going waaaaaaaaay out of their way to cravenly and illegally leak classified info to punish people they disagree with.
We're dealing with people who feel that the rules DO NOT APPLY to them, and thus, while I am in general agreement with the utopian and generally accepted idea of across-the-board respect for identities and personal info, Malkin's willful disregard for these known-to-all tenets of behavior leave me feeling none the worse for whatever difficulty she may be experiencing. She tried to ratf*ck someone and in so doing got her own *ss mauled and bit and now cries over contracting "rabies"?
Tough sh*t.
And as I feel she's probably greatly exaggerating, if not outright lying about her "tale of woe" anyway, well...double tough sh*t with bubonic plague sprinkles on top.
She's making this crap up. End of story.
Steve,
I don't buy the idea that not retaliating would prove that we were the better people, and therefore that would get us . . . . what? Something? Anything?
Is there any case in recent history where being the nice guy in American politics has gotten anyone anything but LAST?
Ooops! Fixin' a goof...
Should read:
"But mind you, this is the first time she's been burned like this in spite of repeatedly"
I have sympathy for Malkin, but there's a list of about 43 million or so people for whom I have MORE sympathy. She'll have to wait a long time before I can get around to wiping her tears.
[Well, if you were paying attention you'd know that posting personnel information on the web led to the death of two men in Maine last weekend (and only by luck, apparantly, were more not killed). And just to make sure it happens again, Maine (along with many other states) still has its list of so-called child sex offenders (which includes the names of men who has sex with their 15 year old girl friends when they were 19 - one of the men killed was convicted of this and nothing else). I'm not sure what punishment Malkin should get (banishment from public discourse would be ideal, but her wingnut friends wouldn't go along) but publishing her information isn't it. And publishing it is different than it simply being available, because by publishing it this way, the intent is that someone use it.
Stan Jones | 04.24.06 - 4:30 pm | #]
And, who is to say that Malkin didn't know about this when she posted the contact information for the students, and then refused to take it down after being told that they were receiving death threats
It is a horrible, immoral thing to do, but, I have no sympathy for her whatsoever, so ignited the fire, threw gasoline on it and then expects public support after it raged out of control and nearly burned her alive
kinda like if Flem Snopes of the famous Faulkner short story "Barn Burning", where he burned down the barns of people who had messed with him, had actually been accidentally burned as a result of his actions
except that Malkin can't even claim to have been subjected to any abuse or insulting treatment by anyone, she just went after them
Malkin is a seriously out of control person. As Tariq Ali tends to say when describing impossible situations, "it can only end badly". She has just begun to act out. My advice would be, don't engage her at all if you can avoid it, and don't ever post on her website.
While I don't much care for the tactic of outing personal contact information and addresses, I have little or no sympathy for Malkin. I'd much rather the whole thing hadn't happened, but perhaps, just perhaps, the wingers have learned a hard lesson. Bill O'Reilly has been guilty of similar acts, although not to the extent of malkin. For conservatives, the meaning of the biblica stricture, "an eye for an eye" now has fresh meaning.
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Which "left wing" site was it? Atrios? Firedog? the blogosphere isn't the world's biggest place. Stuff gets linked and archived and cached. Who did this and when? We are just assuming this 'posting' took place. Where? Whose word are we taking here?
Malkin is playing the victim by making up a counterattack as her only line of defense against her undconscionable actions.
SHE MADE THE WHOLE THING UP, just like she made up the entirety of 'Unhinged'. She is a FICTION WRITER.
Are you people idiots?
Malkin's job 1 is to promulgate the Myth of the Angry Left. To get moderates to say "Oh, they're BOTH bad". Michael Moore is the same thing as Ann Coulter. Well, only one of those two routinely and frequently calls for the deaths of their political opponents and it's not the fat guy.
If the Left isn't Angry enough to promulgate this myth, then she'll happily make up whatever story is needed to continue building it.
a right wing hatemonger who spouts the worst sort of racist eliminationist rhetoric and siccs her nutjob followers on some college kids gets a taste of her own medicine and I'm supposed to feel bad and wring my hands over it?
Bwahahahahah.
Thumbs up to whoever posted her info.
She doesn't like it? She should have thought for two seconds before fucking over those UCSC students.
I disagree that they're as "sad and pathetic" as she is....because she's got a track record of human right abuses a long as my arm, while this is likely the first shitty thing whoever outed her has done.
Two wrongs don't make a right...but one wrong hardly counterbalances an entire career of endlessly repeated wrongs stretching off to the horizon, which is what Malkin brings to the table.
And bullshit she's moving- she's just screaming her ass off over some minor retribution, playing the victim like all gutless rightwing cowards do when someone calls their bluff or holds them to account for their behavior.
I don't believe that the people who outed her information are as bad as she is.
One of the reasons that the left has been made the punching bag of the right is because the left has been too worried about 'looking bad'.
In the meantime, the left gets called 'hippies', 'pussies', 'pathetic pacifists', etc. It doesn't fight back. It never fights back.
Now, it's fought back. Being a leftie doesn't mean that you eschew retaliation or any show of force. It means that you don't use unnecessary force and that you certainly don't do so unprovoked.
She put people's lives in danger. She does so every day with her hate-spewing, lying, nasty rhetoric, and she does so because she believes that she can get away with it.
Well, she's been shown that she can't just castigate the left for being pussies and expect them to take it.
If the left fought back, and fought hard, and played hardball with these hate-mongers, maybe their political parties wouldn't me marginalised and disempowered.
If they get to mock us for being pacifistic, then they really should appreciate it when we're not. After all, isn't the right terrified of our spinelessness if we're ever attacked?
She was willing to put the mothers of these college kids in fear for their childrens' lives. Now, she's ostensibly having to live in fear. If she's wanting to bring the debate down to a matter of life and death, then it is our responsibility, I think, to make her experience what she's made others feel.
Behavior doesn't change when there are no consequences. It's about time that the left stood up for itself.
You're not going to get the right to like you. The nation is so polarised that there are few independents left. Stop worrying about what other people think of you and stop sabotaging your own side.
jeebus, what will it take for some handwringing liberals to fight back? things have gotten as bad as they are because we have not FOUGHT BACK
get off your g*ddamn knees and fight back
it's no wonder the public thinks we stand for nothing
One final thought -- if I were the students, I would get a junkyard dog lawyer (they're all lefties after all, according to the right) and sue the shit out of her syndicator, and anyone who syndicates her column. Then her advertisers, and those who advertise on any paper that syndicates her. My goal would be to leave her with only her website, and then sue her ISP.
Hope the students and/or their parents read this blog.
One final thought -- if I were the students, I would get a junkyard dog lawyer (they're all lefties after all, according to the right) and sue the shit out of her syndicator, and anyone who syndicates her column. Then her advertisers, and those who advertise on any paper that syndicates her. My goal would be to leave her with only her website, and then sue her ISP.
Hope the students and/or their parents read this blog.
Sorry but I have no sympathy for her. Actions have consequences, or so our morally superior rightist brethren constantly sneer at us.
Does this truism apply to one of their own? We'll see if she's squealing victimhood like a mugging harpy at every keyboard, camera or microphone.
That's how most fascists react when they get a big, heaping, steaming load of consequences in their repulsive laps.
it seems that our very own knees are jerking in a spasmodic fury of "we got one, that's a direct hit". well la-di-da. there's a reason that the history of warfare has often been written in the attempts to take and hold the high ground. by doing unto others, what they do unto you. the generic left has abandoned the high ground, ceded by malkin. we have snatched defeat, or at best a draw, from the jaws of victory.
i keep reading comments that rationalize and justify being assholes, because they're assholes. how fucking dare you people upbraid steve, for speaking with a voice of reason. there are too many echoes in the chamber and so wih apologies i chose this...
-payback writes:
-"She well deserves it!. Why do you shy from -playing the same game?"
playing the same game? malkin and her ilk are vulgar, ignorant, mean, thoughtless, bullshit artists. she represents a power structure that thrives on lies, death, greed and dishonour. knee deep in liquid filth, is the natural habitat of the malkins of the world, they live there, they have home field advantage.
i can't speak for steve or jen, but i'm a progressive because people who are crass enough expose others to harm are the enemy. we fight and we fight hard to be better than the malkins and o'reillys. it isn't about being a pussy or a wimp, it is about being smarter and more decent. it is about picking your battles. we (the left) lost this battle. period. she won, we lost.
here's why. when she posted those contacts, she knew she had pulled a giant fuck up. she was screwed. there could be no defense but to plow onward into the ditch of irrelevance. enough right wingers had started to put instant distance between themselves and malkin. it was the values based cudgel of opportuntiy. and we could have thrashed her with in perpetuity. we, through the graceless anger of a few dickheads, abandoned victory in favour of pooping on her lawn. by sinking to her level, she is now exempt from sanction, because we just did the same damn thing. that precious moral high ground is uphill from here.
we play by our rules, because our rules, such as they are, aren't supposed to include being mindless, screaming assholes.
-"War is hell but no battle was won by playing -nice. I say finally someone came to the battle -with weapons of the same size. We should come -to battle with even bigger weapons."
war is indeed hell, but not many battles get won by playing stupid either. man. who the fuck is talking about playing nice. if malkin has to move, that sucks for her and her family. blah blah blah. take a look at freakin' iraq. see what having bigger guns does for you. nobody is saying be nice to poor michelle. i think what you're hearing, is the people who are saying fight smarter, not dirtier. she makes her livelihood by spinning her webs of crap. she relies on media like fox news and other fine purveyors of bovine byproduct. you don't fight her by doing the same thing. jesus. are we that simple minded and stupid?
we could have made her radioactive. we could have made her a liability to fox and most of the other outlets. we could have had ourselves a pariah, a shining example of the values gang at work. instead we got our 5th grade nut off by doing the exact same thing as michelle malkin. repeat that to yourself until it penetrates. you are celebrating doing the exact same thing that michelle malkin does. congratulations, we are asshole.
-"What? You would expecting mercy from a wing -nut? I say they should expect what they give -and worse.""
you see, what happens is we start acting like, wingnuts, we start defending the indefensible and we get to sound like wingnuts. how do we tell ourselves and others, that we aren't wingnuts, if not by the quality of our actions? to all of the progressives, pumping their fists in the air, take a deep breath and get over the hormonal buzz. use your heads and think beyond the next fifteen minutes of tough guy glory. think about the longer road ahead. think about the effort to unseat the neocons and to provide a better option. be that better option. or we're just another bunch of scumbags and hyenas.
Actually, I don't feel she got what she deserved. For having started it in the first place, Malkin deserved an extra bonus punishment in addition to getting a taste of her own medicine.
It works like this: you're walking down the street and some jerk jumps in front of you and punches you in the jaw. So, you pick yourself up and return the favor. Are you even now? No, you're not. He is additionally going to get arrested for starting the fight.
Malkin deserves more than just an even payback.
lazlo that makes no fucking sense. None.
Let's say (and as the Rude One would say, "and why not?") you and I are in a room. You, Lazlo, pull out a gun and shoot me in the leg. Then I pull out a gun and shoot you in the leg. Now, according to your premise, the person who shot second is just as bad as the person who initiated the scenario.
Huh?
And that's just at the logical level.
Look at what dozens of other people have written here. This is not a battle/debate/discussion where our side achieves anything playing nice. That's been proven time and time again over the last two decades (or more).
Sorry Laz, it's time to stand up not take this shit anymore.
Eheheh. One of the ironies of the right's constant harping on family values is that it reveals how people use the "But I've got kids!" card to generate undeserved sympathy--or to have an excuse for being selfish jerks.
Lazlo, what you described is not civility, it's passivity. Being progressive does not make you spinless!!! To continually accommodate extreme behavior is both weak and dangerous... it encourages bullying!!
It is a sure defeat for you if your enemies can predict the limit of your actions, 'cos that will be their starting point.
Payback's a bitch, bitch.
ice weasel says:
"lazlo that makes no fucking sense. None.
Let's say (and as the Rude One would say, "and why not?") you and I are in a room. You, Lazlo, pull out a gun and shoot me in the leg. Then I pull out a gun and shoot you in the leg. Now, according to your premise, the person who shot second is just as bad as the person who initiated the scenario."
let me say that this is the same kind of faulty, twisted analogy that the right uses all the time, to rationalize every shit thing they do. but since you posit the scenario...we're in that room. you pull your weapon and shoot me in the leg. do i shoot you in the leg? no. i shoot you in the belly. with the hope that you don't bleed out before help arrives. i'll have a nasty scar, maybe a permanent limp. you'll be in surgery for hours and it all falls under self defence. but this isn't the same thing. if one of the protetors had found malkin's info and outed her, fine. but a pack of drooling third party goons did the deed.
"Huh?
And that's just at the logical level."
for your faulty logic to apply, there would need to be an equivalence that is missing in your example. this is more like it, you hear from a friend of a friend, that some bastard shot your friend's friend in the leg. so you get in your car with a bunch of your buddies and a six pack. you drive cross town and shoot the perp in the leg. now you're just another gang banging punk. way to go. you win.
let me explain my logic, by using a tired cliche. vengeance is a dish best served cold. what we see here is the result of heated anger and knee jerk reprisal. let me be very clear. i am not saying play nice. i am not saying be fair to poor michelle. i am saying take the full measure of the vengeance she so deserves. but do it smarter and colder. make it count.
"Look at what dozens of other people have written here. This is not a battle/debate/discussion where our side achieves anything playing nice. That's been proven time and time again over the last two decades (or more)."
jesus. did we import our rationale from rove central? if dozens of people decide to put their ass hats over their shit for brains, that don't mean i want to wear a used charmin turban. at no point have i said be nice. nice is the furthest thing from my mind. i'm saying that handing malkin a victim card is to defeat yourself. this response has provided her with an after the fact defense and diminished the consequence of her act.
she and her minions will cry press release and look what the angry left has done. think of my kids, look at the threats i've received. we've seen that we can mobilize and take action. we've seen that we can get our hands dirty and will fight back. now, i'm saying fight to win. fuck nice, fight with venom but fight smart and fight fair. i'm saying fight like fitz, not o'reilly.
malkin preaches her hate to her klan and she does it with success. she makes her bread and butter in a quid pro quo set up with far right media whores. with an opportunity like this we had a chance to hit malkin where it hurts, her wallet. you want to fuck up her house, damage her ability to make money to pay for it. hit every paper, blog, radio show and tv program she appears on. make her radioactive, make every host or outlet own her behaviour. hang this scumbag act around her neck and hound her to the ends of the earth and paint her enablers with guilt by association.
"Sorry Laz, it's time to stand up not take this shit anymore."
this isn't standing up. this is squatting. this is hurling feces and screaming. this is not how we will win. this is how we become that which we despise. this is how we placate our basest urges. it was a cheap, slimy move to play the malkin game the malkin way. seeing all sorts of "eye for an eye" and "oh yeah, well she started it" crapola makes me think that maybe we are no better than malkin. what she did was wrong. what was done to her is just as wrong. since when did progressives turn into old testament spouting, rationalizing assholes.
"Lazlo, what you described is not civility, it's passivity. Being progressive does not make you spinless!!"
hmm, halo chopped my last post for some reason, trying again...
"Lazlo, what you described is not civility, it's passivity. Being progressive does not make you spinless!!"
jeebus, haloscan...once more, with apologies
"Lazlo, what you described is not civility, it's passivity. Being progressive does not make you spinless!!"
---- and from the mouths of dumbarses shall come the typos of truth. keep on spinning. two wrongs still not right, film at eleven. the new left, not spinless anymore.
lazlo pink? sounds like Mid East Vet in drag
oh one more thought-
how many right wing types have been assassinated by crazed liberals?
now, how many liberals have been assassinated by right wing fanatics of various stripes?
Malkin doesn't have a realistic fear of violence from the left.
On the other hand the UCSC students are at genuine risk from the legion of lunatics that suckle at Malkin's teat of hate.
It's because of snivelling bootlicks like "Lazlo Pink" that the country (if not the world) is in the sad shape it is. "Oh, we daresn't fight back! We daresn't! We daresn't! Boo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo!!!"
And that's doing him the courtesy of assuming he's being genuine with the opinions expressed here. Chances are excellent he's just one of those right wing trolls who pretend to be "concerned" for the liberals whenever "they make mistakes". i.e. fight back.
E. S. Burger: Sorry it took so long, but I had to go back to work last night, and then my ISP went down today. On the TV show "The Simpsons", when Homer Simpson likes something, he says "Mmmm...(name of what he likes)". Homer is neither very bright nor sociopolitically conscious, hence I thought a literal "endangered species burger" sounded like something Homer might want to eat. Apparently, my attempt at humor fell flatter than Dubya's approval ratings.
Grace and Peace, Kid Charlemagne
And the only reason A list bloggers like Gilliard are rat packing with the Right on this issue is because they are worried about perhaps facing the same kind of payback themselves one day.
It's called survival... it has nothing to do with ethics or 'rising' above the rest.
Chickenshits.
I love how you technorati poster boys churlishly guffah about how you like to see her taken down - yet on the other hand you play the ethics card because you know your own ass could end up like hers one day - and you can't afford it because the Left doesn't bankroll you like the Right bankrolls her.
My guess is that her home was already on the market and she is using the move as a way of pretending to be harmed.
But anyway, I can't feel sorry for her if it really happened the way she says it did. What goes around comes around.
Nice to see there are a few Liberals that aren't wimps! Enough hand-wringing. It's time for hard ball.
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