That may be the most cogent analysis of ABORTION that I've read. Or maybe I just appreciate an Aristotelian framework.

Aristotle's causes might be useful for analyzing political parties. Maybe unity among Democrats is to be found in the final cause, not in the efficient cause. (And maybe fundamentalist Republicans will split with business Republicans over final causes.)


Okay. But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.


Thanks for the well written analysis, that really changed my thinking about the issue of abortion.


Gravatar I find this analysis to be very interesting. And, thanks for the shout out!

I wrote a piece today that reflects more on what I think is at the heart of the fervent pro-life movement. While your analysis is incisive and persuasive, it almost requires a handful of people responsible for consciously engineering this. Perhaps there are. But, I still find myself wrestling with the good natured pro-life, or lets at least say anti-abortion, person who never lived pre-Roe. It is nearly impossible for pre-Roe folks to conjure up the heinousness of the times when women would risk death to abort. The only way to get a sense of that is to spend time in third world countries like Africa or El Salvador. I think that the good natured anti-abortion folks--those that I have the most sympathy for--would reasses their views if they could experience, first hand, a world in which shame is so powerful that it drives women to suicide, lecherous back alley abortions, etc.

I still don't know the political leanings of the reporter I worked with. I will say that she was open minded enough to learn a great deal from this story.


Gravatar "Caging" is just to emphasize what gets marginalized by the "framing," right? "Framing" when the power of it is for offense and "caging" when it's for defense? How about "consciousness raising"? A way of "spinning" "framing"? By the by, I thought of parallels to "Abortion: The Issue" as I was reading you. There's e.g. "prohibition," which likewise engaged religious folks. The fact that I'm surprised each time I'm reminded of the historic fact of this national issue and legislation illustrates at least to me that it's a very artificial or politically ad hoc concept. You think it's bad that "Gay Rights" distracts from "hate crimes": How about the way "Prohibition" distracts from our more modern concepts of "alcoholism" and "child and spousal abuse"! Another oblique oldy is "sufferage." Even "civil rights" is weird and politically engineered. And isn't there a whole discipline or two about this? The history of ideas? A couple years back I was reading how "childhood" is a modern invention. As is "child labor."


Gravatar I wonder if "prohibition" was invented to provide an easier political sell than "temperance."


Gravatar It's a subject of much debate, and the debate is hotting up of late with the apparent change in policies of several countries. I am a pro-lifer who has no religious convictions at all . I didn't need the fear of god or anything else to come to my decision, just a good sense of what is right and wrong.
You see we were all once a fetus. Is it beyond the realm of possibilities that when your mother first learned she was carrying you, she may have considered her options? What if she had decided to terminate? Would that have been OK?
You would not exist, if you have children they would not exist, and your (husband or wife) would be married to someone else. You would have been deprived of all your experiences and memories. In this day and age with terminations being so readily available and so many being carried out (can be harder to organise to have a tooth pulled in australia) if you make it to full term
you can consider yourself lucky. Lucky you had a mother that made the choice of life for you.Don't you think they all deserve the same basic human right, LIFE?
I'm all for contraception, prevention is certainly better than termination.
Did you know you can get an implant that lasts for three years? Just think girls not even a show for three years, wouldn't that be great? I think too many people rely too heavily on the last option (abortion), I think if abortions weren't so readily available people would manage their reproductive system far better resulting in a fraction of the number of unwanted pregnancies.
RU-486- Many people describe this as a contraceptive, it is not, it is a termination drug, it doesn't prevent a pregnancy, it is a lethal cocktail for the unsuspecting fetus. In my opinion RU486 might be acceptable if administered within a day or two of conception when all you would have is the basic ingredients of human life. After that it's just wrong. It's a human life.
I am convinced that in the not to distant future,people will look back at many of the practices of today with disbelief and horror.



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Gravatar World wide there are over 3,500 terminations carried out every day. Thats well over 1.3 million every year. In the US fifty percent of all cases, claimed birth control was used, forty-eight percent used no precaution, and two percent had medical reasons.
That's a stagering ninety-eight percent that could have been prevented had an effective birth control been used. That's sad.
Don't get me wrong, I suspect the figures in Australia would be much the same. Just a whole lot of unnessesary killing.
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Gravatar Did you know you can get an implant that is safe, effective and lasts for three years?


Gravatar Over 3,500 terminations per day, 1.3 MILLION per year in the United States alone.
50 or 60 MILLION per year World Wide.

DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN GET AN IMPLANT (in arm) THAT IS - SAFE - 99.9% EFFECTIVE AND LASTS FOR THREE YEARS?


Gravatar Have you checked out (abortionclinnicdays)-the reality show.


Gravatar At the point of conception is when life began for you. This was the start of your existance. Your own personal big bang. Three weeks after conception heart started to beat. First brain waves recorded at six weeks after conception. Seen sucking thumb at seven weeks after conception.


Gravatar What I find fascinating -- and very telling -- is that none of the admires of kindly Doc Henrie even bothered to mention the name of the woman who died. Doesn't she matter?

The babies are disposable tissue, the women are nameless nobodies, but Dr. Henrie is somehow a hero. I don't get it.


Gravatar One other point -- you totally don't get prolifers. It really IS about abortion killing babies. It's not SYMBOLIC of anything, any more than Ted Bundy was merely SYMBOLIC to the prosecutors who sought to have him executed.

A baby is a human being, not merely a symbol, regardless of whether or not you're okay with killing him.




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