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When are the friars themselves gonna step up and start celebrating the EF?
The Institute of Christ the King is perhaps the best of all the priestly and religious Orders and monasteries for men that uses and promotes the Tridentine Latin Mass.
Their attention to every liturgical detail, their precision in celebration, and their eye for beautiful vestments and ornametation is legendary.
No wonder they have a seminary which is packed to overflowing in Grigcigliano, Italy. May God bless them with many more vocations.
It a bit of a rocky history the Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word have had since they began, around 1984.
When they started, they were not even Franciscans, and their habit resembled the Fathers of Mercy garb- plain black cassock, karge crucifix around their neck on a rope, medallion over the left breast.
At one time, they had close to 30 religious, but have had a huge turnover rate. Three of their original priests quit the Order.
I really don't think they have made it past 17-20 members since.
Perhaps the Tridentine Latin Mass is what they need to begin growing.
I always thought it peculiar that, having been in the forefront at a Catholic restoration of reverence in the Mass, vestments, music, ornament, formation and religious observance...that they don;'t use the Tridentine Latin Mass in community on a regular basis, but doggedly cling to just the Novus Ordo.
I think it's a mistake not to use the Tridentine Latin Mass, in any seminary or religious house.
Great news! I wonder who will be the celebrant? Perhaps Msgr. Schmitz?
Orthodoxy, reverence and joy are abundant in the Institute of Christ the King. Read one of their newsletters sometime, and if you're having a bad day, it will become a better day.
I know that there is one Priest of the Francisan Missonaries of the Eternal Word Fr. Dominck Mary is a Big proponent of the EF. He usually helps with communion at the masses that have been televized. He's the only one though I don't think the others are to fond of it. If you watch any given mass with him as the celebrant he always keeps the thumb and forefinger together after the consacration up untill the abultions. Thank The Lord at least some one Says mass in the EF in that group.
My understanding is that Holy Mass will be celebrated by Fr. Karl Lenhardt, Vice Provincial for the US Province & former Rector of St. Francis de Sales Oratory in St. Louis, MO.
I think we can appreciate why most priests don't celebrate the EF - it takes EFFORT! I'm not a priest and I could say the OF almost in my sleep. Tom
News: On October 25th, 2008 at 10:00 A.M at Saint John the Evangelist in Stamford CT a Solemn High Mass in the Extraordinary Form will be celebrated by soon to be Father Subprior Benedict of a relatively new traditional benedictine monastery in Norcia, Italy, on the birthplace of Saint Benedict and Scholastica.
Scott Turkington, the choir master at Saint Johns and a friend of mine, I up until a week or two ago was the MC there, will be directing the choir. This order should surely be looked into, as they are a tremendous group of guys. They number 11 presently, but they will have 2 novices and three observers arriving this September. www.osbnorcia.org is their website.
Sacristy Rat wrote:
"When are the friars themselves gonna step up and start celebrating the EF?"
Good question! To their credit though, I heard they tried to do a weekday Tridentine Mass. Maybe none of them are comfortable eough with Latin? Eh, who knows. Still, when are they going to celebrate their own?
Let's be charitable and honest. I would not say that the Institute is the best group using the Traditional Liturgy. There are others who are doing really good work too. The Fraternity has done a marvelous job training priests and publishing materials for the celebration of mass. This is perhaps the most important contribution rather than super fancy baroque vestments. These things can become excessive. So we must remember what is most important. PAX.
Tony wrote:
"Let's be charitable and honest. I would not say that the Institute is the best group using the Traditional Liturgy. There are others who are doing really good work too. The Fraternity has done a marvelous job training priests and publishing materials for the celebration of mass. This is perhaps the most important contribution rather than super fancy baroque vestments. These things can become excessive. So we must remember what is most important."
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Whatever happened to Fr Francis Mary. I thought he was on leave to "think things over" Now one never hears his name anymore.
I find it entertaining that whenever the Institute is mentioned in this blog, reflexively there will be a supporter of the Fraternity who will commence belittling the Institute.
"The Lady doth protest too much, methinks."
I, of course, mean the above comments in the most charitable and honest way possible.
Can we just stop making dogmatic pronouncements about which traditionalist society, congregation, order or monastery is better? The FSSP, ICRSP, SSJC, IBP, Traditional Benedictines, Canons Regular of the Mother of God, F.SS.R etc. are all doing a great job of promoting the EF. No need to say that this or that congregation is better than the other.
Each of these congregations / societies has its own sensibiities and preferences, all of which are legitimate and within the bounds of orthodoxy (to say the least!) and we must respect these. Thus, the ICRSP has a pronounced preference for the baroque and for elements of the pre-1955 Missal; the FSSP-IBP-SSPX have a more restrained style when it comes to the liturgy and to vestments; and the Trad Benedictines prefer the almost stark simplicity of neo-Gothic. All of these have their place in the firmament of Catholic tradition. Enough of the useless judgements! We have too many things to do rather than bicker over the merits of lace.
"News: On October 25th, 2008 at 10:00 A.M at Saint John the Evangelist in Stamford CT a Solemn High Mass in the Extraordinary Form will be celebrated by soon to be Father Subprior Benedict of a relatively new traditional benedictine monastery in Norcia, Italy, on the birthplace of Saint Benedict and Scholastica."
Now, THIS is news! Is this monastery switching over to the EF? The monastery in Norcia had been revived by Cassian Folsom OSB and had been dedicated to the Novus Ordo Mass and Benedictine office in Latin.
Orthodoxy over orthofroxy!
(I can't resist - I picked the very useful term up from some Anglo-Catholics who finally made it to Rome)
I for one am grateful that we have *both* the Fraternity and the Institute.
The harvest is great, and the laborers are all too few.
I second Mr. Palad's comments in this vein.
Does anyone from the Souhern Virginia- North Carolina area want to car pool with me to go to the Mass in Hanceville?
I will drive.
Also, does anyone know how long a drive Hanceville is from Chapel Hill NC?
God bless you.
Benedictins in Norcia--Once they build their new monastery they will be using the EF...for now they use the Old Monastic Brievery, and for now they use the Graduale Romanum for all the of the chants during mass which is in Latin and Ad Orientum....
Soon to be Father Subprior Benedict will be the Singing the Solemn High Mass and Father Prior Cassion will be the Deacon and give the Homily.
I was under the impression that the bishop of the friars' diocese would not allow them to do the EF. Give the guys a break.
Dan, when do you want to go? We've been thinking about going but it's 11 hours for us.
Dympna,
The Mass begins at 7am on Sunday morning and Hanceville is 9 and a half hours drive from us.
We would leave on Friday evening about 7pm and drive about four hours and then get a hotel in South Carolina. We would then drive the remainder on Saturday probably arriving in Hanceville at 2pm, giving us time to check into one of the guesthouses located right near the Shrine.
We could spend some time in front of the Blessed Sacrament and go to EWTN.
Dymphna, where are you coming from and how many in your group?
You can reach me at:
danphunter1@aol.com
God bless.
I didn't know Fr. Francis Mary Stone was taking time off to "think things over".
I met him 2x while he was at St. Charles Borromeo Seminary and I helped out in the library on Saturdays when in college.
If he leaves the MFVA group, that will be unfortunate. Still, I'm not surprised. I can count 4 other priests they had who left.
What ever happened to Fr. Angelus he just dissappeared to aside from him and Fr. Francis I have never heard of other Priests leaving. This is certainly news to me.
Fr. Francis Mary STone could probably use a little bit of privacy. For God's sake, leave the man alone.
I'm with Carlos Palad on the merits of the 'trad' congregations...why this unseemly bickering over which one is best? They all want the same thing, the traditional Mass and sacraments!
Wish I could see the EWTN Mass with the ICK...but I can't. Don't have cable or satellite, and my computer can't stream it....RATS!
I think Fr. Francis Mary is gone for good but let's all keep him in our prayers.
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