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It appears the Church in France is slowly recovering its sanity. Thanks for the lovely post, Shawn. Tom
Wonderful, absolutely wonderful - another society dedicated to Tradition. So I guess these are the priests Kenjiro mentioned some time ago - black cassock, red "mozzetta" and badge of the Sacred Heart.
I wish I could let it go but I just have to say it: a pinkish-red mitre? absit!
Oh, and like the IBP, ordinations on an ember saturday - nice!
Yes, this is the community I mentioned before, but I wasn't sure their name, or exactly the design of their habit.
Although it's rather peculiar looking, it nevertheless is attractive.
France really has many new communities being formed according to tradition, some with only a handful, and others like this Order, and the Institute of the Good Shepherd which are more substantial in numbers and support.
In France, there even are small communities of traditionalist branches of Orders of nuns which are carrying on the traditional work of the older Order which due to the deforms of Vatican II, and the liberalizations is going extict. There are traditionalist branches of the Sisters of the Good Shepherd (which I didn't know of having been formed), and even an attempt to restore the Daughters of Charity....complete with the huge white bonnet. There's even a traditionalist Carthusian monastery of monks in France which has about 24 monks (but affiliated to the SSPX).
As the "Vatican II" French Church dies faster and faster, I think we will see many more of these new Orders becoming visible, and stepping up to replace the radical liberal Orders now going extinct.
This is great news-- I only wish the work of restoring the TLM in parishes were going this well.
Pray for priests and for full liturgical restoration!
I don't know French, so could somebody be kind enough to tell me the history of this order. How it was founded and by whom? What are the numbers? Their charisms, etc?
I think the red cloaks are actually called "capuche".
This new Order is called the MIssionaries of the Divine Mercy. But has anyone ever heard what became of the "Institute of Divine Mercy"....a cloistered community of nuns founded in Puerto Rico but which had a house in the Archdiocese of Dallas. They also used only the TLM, and had a very beautiful traditional nuns habit...grey tunic, white wimple, and white veil.
I haven't heard about them fomr about 4 years. I know there were some problems about them in Dallas, but I hope they have survived.
One of the great aspects of the Traditionalist movement is its near universal emphasis on and devotion to the Divine Mercy.
Kenjiro: I could be wrong but I think the order didn't attract vocations in Dallas (For whatever reason) and was dissolved, the nuns going into other orders. I know this happened to a traditional order of nuns in Dallas, I am only not sure if it happened to the ones you have in mind.
And now we are waiting for a traditionalist branche of ...Jesuits.
Kenjiro:
Bernard of Arezzo is correct.The Institute of Divine Mercy in Dallas, Texas, was suppressed due to a lack of vocations. The foundress, Sr. Maria Goretti, is now serving the Lord as a cloistered nun in Ohio.
Traditionalist branch of Jesuits? Well.... there have always been Jesuits devoted to the Classical Roman Rite (I think Fr. Kenneth Baker SJ is one of them), and Fr. Calvin Goodwin FSSP is himself a former Jesuit. Here in Manila there is a Jesuit priest who is now saying his private mass very early in the morning.... in the extraordinary form.
However, I think there is already such a "branch" in existence, namely, the "Servi Jesu et Mariae". I understand that this congregation was founded by a Jesuit who had been expelled due to his "traditionalism" and that the congregation itself -- which now has some 25 priests -- is dedicated to Ignatian spirituality as it existed prior to Pedro Arrupe's reign as General.
"and even an attempt to restore the Daughters of Charity....complete with the huge white bonnet."
WONDERFUL!
"Here in Manila there is a Jesuit priest who is now saying his private mass very early in the morning.... in the extraordinary form."
This is interesting news to me. Anyone I know, perhaps? I've heard the Oratory in Loyola School of Theology in ADMU is quite fitting for the celebration of the ancient rite.
When I read about small pockets of traditional/traditionalist religious Orders in France, I had no idea how many actually were in existance. I was thrilled, and surprised.
Though not numerous, there are convents of traditional cloistered Poor Clares,Dominicans, Carmelites, Redemptoristines, Cistercians in France. There are houses of at least 30 new and re-founded traditional branches of many active Orders such as the Sisters of the Good Shepherd, Religious of the Sacred Heart, Dorotheans, and Daughters of Charity (complete with the original huge white starched bonnet). There are also new and re-founded active congregations of Franciscan and Dominican nuns, and also (and this is the biggest surprise)...a handful of formerly radical liberal Orders which have gone down to so few, that in order to survive as Orders, they returned to traditional habits....and a more traditional liturgy and apostolate.
I read once that the reason why the Daughters of Charity modified their habit in the first place (1966) and discarded the bonnet was two-fold.
1). the general spirit of Vatican II
2). with more sisters driving cars, or using cars for transportation, keeping the bonnet was impossible.
UNfortunatly one modification lead to another, and another, and another until the Order is ttoally secularized, and down from 55,000 sisters before Vatican II (the largest religious Order of sisters ever in the Church), to less than 20,000 today.
1) Kenjiro, once again I'm thrilled to hear that. Could you possibly share with us where you get this information? Do these communities have homepages? What are they called?
2) Shawn, in light of the above, and that not all societies etc. have homepages you could link to (although there are some who do have sites, but you don't link to), I would like to suggest that it would be really helpful if you could create a permanent page with all societies, fraternities, institutes, monasteries etc. dedicated to the usus antiquior. I think it would be very practical, for us to keep track, not to confuse them, perhaps with a description of their habit if applicable, so we could identify them. I am sure many of us would be glad to contribute. What do you think? What do the others think?
As for the ordination pictures I’m now somewhat confused: if you go to the site of the parish of and look at the photo album of 7 January, minor orders of Eloi Gillet, you can see that the ordinand as well as the deacon, who is, I think, the Superior of the Society, Fr. Fabrice Loiseau, wear white cassocks under their surplice/alb. The same Fr. Loiseau appears in picture 37 of the ordination pictures on this site of the diocese of Fréjus-Toulon in a white cassock with black cincture and fascia and a white cape. So that appears to be the habit of the Society. Which begs the question: who then are the guys in black-and-red, who also appear on several pictures of the parish? Also again on the parish website, minor orders for Eloi Gillet, on the group picture, there are three guys in greyish habits. Who are they?
Oh, and on picture 4 of the diocese, there seems to be a traditional Dominican nun?
Where are these traditionalist Daughters of Charity located? I want to see pictures.
Berolinensis, the International Una Voce Web site has a page with a list of traditional orders/institutes/societites.
http://www.ifuv.org/links_broe.html
techno_aesthete: Yes, something in that vein, only more complete (e.g., the society of this post is missing, as is the Fraternity of Christ the Priest and holy Mary Queen and several of the groups Kenjiro is talking about) and with some info (location, foundation, charism, numbers, description of habit, etc.).
Berolinensis,
Well the links to the orders and/or their parish/seminary is something I've tried to do in the side bar of the NLM -- and you'll note that I have noted those attached to the usus antiquior or classical Roman use.
I've just now added this Missionary Society of Divine Mercy to this by linking to their parish page -- they don't appear to have an actual society webpage as of yet.
Now if I am missing any such new groups (those in full communion of course) do let me know.
I might attempt to expand upon some of the sidebar links with their own unique full pages at some point, but I must confess, its a great deal of work to bring them to the level I'd want to see them at.
Shawn,
I am of course aware of the links, but as I said in my original comment, not all of these groups have webpages. I know that would mean work, and as I said, I for one would be willing to help, since I really think this would be a useful tool, as well as fun. I am sure others would be willing, too.
As for additional groups you could link to: what about the Fraternity of Christ the Priest and holy Mary Queen, http://www3.planalfa.es/santamariareina/ (btw, what happened to the interview with their founder I sent you, didn't you think it interesting?)
Then there's also the (biritual) Servi Jesu et Mariae of Fr. Hönisch, http://sjm-congregation.org/us-g...us-gb/
index.htm, very involved with the scouts and active in middle and eastern Europe.
UNfortunatly, most of the Orders I mentioned don't have websites that I know of. I go to a library of a Catholic UNiversity often, and to St. Charles Borromeo Seminary in Overbrook, Pa., and catch the articles from Catholic periodicals, newspapers, and even foreign Catholic magazines. The article about the Daughters of Charity was from a French publication called "Le Monde" or something like that from several weeks ago. I know enough French to read the profile on a small band of both elderly and young nuns wishing to re-establish a traditional branch of the Daughters of Charity wearing the original habit. From what I remember, there were more than just 3-4 nuns but rather a fairly solid total made up mostly of young girls wishing to be the nucleus of this rebirth of an Order.
Likewise, the Dominicans of Avrille, France although affiliated to the SSPX represent a rebirth for the Dominican Order in France (the only place where Dominican life is lived as always has been in the whole world).
We should pray for these Orders to grow. And also pray for the handful of French Bishops who show their support for tradition (including if only grudgingly...Cardinal Ricard of Bordeaux) by officiating at these ordinations and other ceremonies.
I wish there were more traditional convents in the U.S.! I'm discerning religious life at the moment, and there really is not much out there for me to look at. Even from Shawn's list, it looks like the Benedictines of Mary, Queen of the Apostles, is the only one in the U.S. besides the cloistered Carmelites affiliated with the FSSP.
Berolinensis,
Can't answer most questions but the guys in greyish habits are members of the Community of St John
www.stjean.com
hope this helps.
Stephen
Berolinensis:
I have attempted somewhat of that sort in German. The list can be found here, but is of course incomplete, as I'm not aware of many of the orders Kenjiro mentions.
But if anyone attempts to write such a list in English I would of course be interested in cooperation.
Thanks, Stephen and Leguan, for the info.
Leguan, this is precisely what I had in mind. So, if we could complete and expand this and Shawn would install it as a permanent feature, I for one would think that would be great.
Don't forget the Oasis of Jesus in Barcelona! See
http://oasisjesussacerdote.es/
By the way, I remember talk here awhile back about a large traditionalist Franciscan order in Brazil with allegedly a hundred houses already. Was that really true, or was it all just a wild rumor?
If NLM is going to have a complete list of Trad orders, one that's far more complete than the one on www.ifuv.org, I hope that "biritual" orders are included. I understand that some devotees of the Traditional Latin Mass want to support only TLM-exclusive congregations, but in the post-Summorum Pontificum churchscape I don't think that would be a helpful policy. We need to support ALL religious congregations that promote the restoration of the sacred, whether they be TLM-only or biritual.
Among biritual congregations would be: Servi Jesu et Mariae, the Society of St. John Cantius, the newly-founded Apostles of Jesus Christ, Priest and Victim, and the English and Canadian Oratorians.
Others that seem to be on their way to becoming biritual are the Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word (the Franciscans who run EWTN) and the Oblates of the Alliance of the Two Hearts.
And let's not forget the Ordo Militiae Templi, an all-TLM association of the faithful!
I think that the franciscan community in Brazil you mentioned is the farternity called: Toca de Assis
http://www.tocadeassis.org.br/in...a=1&
pagina=home
But I don't think they celebrate with the "extraordinary form", they are only very traditional in devotion and vestiments.
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