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absolutely wonderful news!
Very interesting to read that this is the first Personal Parish in Europe. I know there is one in America; is anyone maintaining a list?
It is likely worth noting that the NLM is going to provide direct coverage of this first Mass incidentally, as I will myself be in Rome at that time, and will be at Ss. Trinita dei Pellegrini for this opening Mass.
With prayers and best wishes to the FSSP in Rome.
Their personal parish should become the model for many more.
We were in Rome for Easter this year and attended the glorious Triduum of FSSP at the Church of Ss. Trinità dei Pellegrini, this most beautiful former home of St. Philip Neri.
It was a pure joy to be there and involved, as some of my sons served at the Masses.
We extend to the Fraternity of St. Peter, Fr. Kramer and his band of loyal helpers every best wish and full abundant blessings on this wonderful occasion of the establishment of a Personal Parish.
Let us hope and pray that the Holy Fathers first publicized Tridentime Mass is just around the corner.
Laudetur Jesus Christus
It is the first FSSP personal parish in Europe. There are two others in France. One in Toulon and one run by the Institute of the Good Shepherd. There are probably others that I don't know about.
Praise the Lord!
What does it mean to be "Rector" of the Archconfraternity of the Blessed Trinity? Is this the highest position within the archconfraternity, or is that institution run by lay leadership?
The musicologist Noel O'Regan has published some excellent essays and books related to the musical role of the Archconfraternity in the renaissance and baroque periods. Apparently the musical archives are exquisite, including commisioned works of Palestrina, etc.
Deo Gratias !Wonderful newa !
We must pray for our Holy Father Benedict XVI.Oremus pro Pontifice nostro Benedicto !
Our American bishops should take note. Rather than suppress and close down parishes and beautiful old churches, they should invite tradionalist groups to take them over. Only when numerous tradionalist PARISHES are thriving and seriously contributing to the spiritual and material wellbeing of the diocese will what we here at NLM so desperately long for have permanent effect. The important word is "parish." Shrine, chapel, oratory, etc., do not have as high a canonical status. "Personal parish" has a nice ring to it; but is it in every way equal to a regular diocesan parish? I know, one step at a time; but we can always pray harder.
Being a member of a church that is ran by the FSSP in Dayton Ohio USA, I am very happy for them. Now the BIG question...will His Holiness grace the church on that day?
Exactly how many personal parishes are there in the whole world for the Traditionalist faithful?
FSSP has ten (1 in Europe, 1 in Africa, 8 in the Americas?), IBP has 1, Toulon has 1, I don't know how many ICRSP has... there's the Basilica in Mexico (Monterrey) that Kenjiro Shoda keeps talking about... what else?
See this link for where the FSSP is located. Much more than 8 places in the Americas for example.
May they continue to grow and prosper and aid others in the appreciation of the beautiful extraordinary form of the Mass.
http://www.fssp.org/en/coordonnees.htm
"the Holy Father has established hat in the central sector of the Diocese of Rome, in the 1st District, and in a fitting place of worship, namely, the Church of Ss. Trinità dei Pellegrini . . . should be erected a personal parish, in order to guarantee proper pastoral care for the entire community of Traditionalist faithful residing in the same Diocese."
Although this is great news, and I don't want to be a pessimist, isn't the last part of the quote I pasted sounding rather restrictive meaning the Church is for "the enitre commuity of Traditionalist faithful residing in the same Diocese."
Why don't they just allow for the TLM in every single parish of Rome?
This setting up single parishes for tradition reminds me of the old days in the USA when in major cities you'd have maybe 6-7 Italian parishes, 2-3 Polish, and 1-2 each of the Germans, Slovak, or Latino parishes. It created a little "ghetto" atmoshpere of people seperated in their little parish.
I wish the Pope would allow for the Tridentine Latin Mass available in every Roman parish, every day.
Kenjiro,
There are already other groups, like the IBP operating in Rome and beyond that, none of this stops individual priests from appyling the motu proprio in their own parishes or religious houses.
I don't think too much should be read into that.
Kenjiro,
Those "ghetto" parishes in major cities of the U.S. existed because ethnic groups lived in geographically defined areas. They have mostly disappeared now since those ethnic groups (Poles, Irish, Italians, others) have integrated into the American culture. They were vibrant parishes that served a real need. I see the result of today's parishes trying to serve hispanic and anglo populations concurrently and it makes me appreciate those old ethnic parishes even more. Bilingual Masses are not the answer. Vernacular Masses should be one language and Latin Masses should be in Latin. Each type serves a need. Someday we will all worship together, but is a separate ethnic parish any worse for unity than segregated Mass times on Sunday?
My point is that starting with personal parishes is a good thing. If people start coming to them, bishops and priests will see that there truly is a demand for the extraordinary form. Even if they are still resistant, they can't simply cancel a personal parish!
"the Holy Father has established that in the central sector of the Diocese of Rome, in the 1st District, and in a fitting place of worship, namely, the Church of Ss. Trinità dei Pellegrini . . . should be erected a personal parish, in order to guarantee proper pastoral care for the entire community of Traditionalist faithful residing in the same Diocese."
I thought this rather odd and restrictive as well. I have seen this church before and it is not enormous; surely there is a larger community of traditionalists. Also where does this leave the ICRSP and the other communities? Will they be given a parish of their own as well?
In the town of Raritan, NJ (diocese of Metuchen) there is a former parish church which is now a shrine chapel for day-long adoration of the Blessed Sacrament. It is now also the home of a daily mass in the Extraordinary Form. In addition, mass is celebrated in the Ordinary Form daily as well. This has become a sort of "quasi-parish" and those who desire to worship in the Extraordinary Form may do so there. However, while funerals are celebrated there as well there has yet to be permission for the other sacraments to be administered (no baptisms or weddings there yet).
A worldwide registry for places where the TLM (and the NOM, ad orientem and in Latin) are available EVERYDAY!
I feel like cheering and crying at the same time. The Holy Father has done a wonderful thing, leading by example, in a way that even five years ago we could not even have dreamed of and some people find fault. ARRRRRRH!!
Adoro te,
What fault are you referring to, that has been found?
God bless you.
I think Adoro te is referring to the post by Kenjiro Shoda.
Kenjiro,
Through the Motu Proprio, the Holy Father does allow the Tridentine Mass, and in fact has asked that it be offered in every Catholic church whether people ask for it or not.
Making this happen at the level of the pastors is another thing.
Both seb and Kenjiro Shoda seem to find the erection of this personal parish "in order to guarantee proper pastoral care for the entire community of Traditionalist faithful residing in the same Diocese" restrictive.
The opposite is however true. Anyone in the diocese can be cared for at this parish, and any parish in the diocese can offer the Old Rite (as per the Motu Proprio). Everyone wins.
As to seb's complaint that the church is not larger, it's certainly a healthy size, and you have to bear in mind that there aren't churches in Rome to just hand out as the Holy Father wills.
"Also where does this leave the ICRSP and the other communities? Will they be given a parish of their own as well?" - it leaves them as they were before; this parish ought not to be seen as a gift to the FSSP and an empty hand to the other groups, but rather as a generous pastoral provision to the FAITHFUL.
Yes, I was referring to that and the subsequent post by Seb, both expressing reservations about the wording. I read the words " entire community" to be in no way restrictive, but rather a warm and generous welcome to everyone who loves tradition. We have it from Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos that the Holy Father wishes the Extraordinary form to be a living part of parish life everywhere.
There is a traditional parish in london (?St Bede's) in Clapham Park i think. I always assumed this was a personal parish yet someone has said the Rome church is the first personal parish in Europe.
Does anyone know the status of the london traditional parish? If it's not a personal parish, what is it?
Shawn or others--Does anyone have any sense of when the document offering clarifications of SP is to come out? It seems that some months ago, there was much excitement and talk about forth coming clarifications which would nudge reluctant clerics in a more 'positive' direction towards implementation of SP. Where is the document? Has it been postponed or shelved for the time being?
St. Bedes is a traditional community.
Big Benny, St. Bede's is not a Personal Parish; but anyone and everyone is very welcome!!! The Parish Priest has always been supportive of the Traditional Community. Our Chaplain, Fr. Andrew Southwell has been in several posts featured on NLM. We are very fortunate to have him at St. Bede's. St. Bede's is indeed one of the first, if not the first Parish in London and possibly the UK to have the Traditional Mass offered, publically, every day, for the last 15 years at the very least.
http://www.latin-mass-society.or...park/
index.html
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There are , too , many personal parishes , here in Brazil , that belong to the St John Mary Vianney Apostolic Administration , in the Diocese of Campos.
Here , in São Paulo , Brazil , there are some Masses in the EF , that are celebrated on Sundays and Saturdays
Just for the record, again: No, this is not the first personal parish in Europe. But it is the first FSSP personal parish in Europe and in Rome. Glad Rome is in the game.
The rector of our parish, Fr. Robert Pasley, KHS, of Mater Ecclesiae in Berlin, NJ, told us about this personal parish in the Diocese of Rome some time ago. It was very encouraging. Being a parishioner of Mater Ecclesiae has been a blessing from God and Our Mother Mary. I can attend daily Mass in the Extraordinary Form, and the High Masses on Sundays are holy and transcendent. Many families travel sometimes up to two hours to attend the Mass here from the tri-state area of PA, NJ and DE. It is the "Pearl of Great Price".
Please visit:
http://www.materecclesiae.org/home.php
please forgive my ignorance, but i've checked the usual sources and come up empty. what exactly is a "personal parish"?
does this mean it is under the authority of the pope directly rather than the ordinary of a diocese? (i suspect that is not the definition, otherwise all parishes in Rome would be "personal")
magdalen,
"See this link for where the FSSP is located. Much more than 8 places in the Americas for example."
Not every location of the FSSP is a personal parish.
Just for the record, the church that is offering the TLM in Monterrey Mexico is a regular parish church where the local Una Voce chapter found a friendly diocesan priest that has been kind enough to offer the mass every Wendesday (9:00 am) and Saturday (5:30 pm).
Although there are several places in Mexico where the TLM is celebrated most of them are FSSPX or Sedevacantist but if you want more information about where the TLM is currently celebrated in "visible union" with the Pope and its bishops please visit our site at http://unavocemx.org/inicio/uvmx/
Anthony: "Personal Parish" indicates that a church in a given diocese is granted a special parochial status. It is headed by a priest with complete pastoral privileges. It doesn't, however, necessarily meet the requirements imposed on all other parishes in the diocese. It is formed at the discretion and pleasure of the bishop.
William,
Doesn't that make a personal parish about the same thing then as any other religious order parish operating within a dicoese? Just asking.
Steve:
Not completely. A Personal Parish doesn't have to have a particular Parochial jurisdiction.
A personal parish means that the parish is MINE! MINE! MINE! MINE! ALL MINE!
"personal" refers to persons, meaning that it is not bound to a terretorial area, as are normal parishes, but to the persons who register there. Then the persons belong to that parish, even though they would normally belong to their territorial parishes.
The concept of territorial parishes is possibly a bit blurred in the US, as everyone seems to be able to register at any parish he wants. That's not how it works in Europe, you are bound to the parish where you live.
That means that e.g. you have to marry there, if you want to do it elsewhere, you need the permission of the pastor of your territorial parish.
Thanks, B., you bring out the most important point. Even in the US pastors still exercise territorial jurisdiction, albeit loosely. Do you know if heads of "personal parishes" are given the title "pastor"? Is it, one wonders, canonically possible for a strictly traditional parish ever to be fully-blown, fully privileged and equal to every other parish in a diocese? Will we always be the poor cousins? ('Fraid so unless we grow in numbers and clout.)
William: to my mind, being granted a Personal Parish is a wonderful thing. Essentially they will be as important as other Parishes, to those that go there.
The personal parishes ( as well as the
Apostolic Personal Administration and
Opus Dei ) were created by the Canonical Code ( Codex Juris Canonici ) of 1981 ( promulgated by
Jonh Paul the Great ( John Paul II , Magnus ).In the old Code , there were only territorial parishes and
Dioceses and Archdioceses ).
(regarding the original post)
This is great news!! I am so happy to hear it! I was actually blessed to be in Rome during Holy Week this year, and I went to this church for the Easter Vigil Mass with the FSSP priests. It was the most beautiful Mass I've ever been to, and I'm very excited to hear that this has become official. Viva Papa!! Deo gratias!!
df is right: this is for the FAITHFUL attached to the extraordinary form, not a gift directly to the fssp.
seb: the church seats about 120 comfortably, and with a bit of creativity, the pews and chairs could be arranged to accomodate about another 20 to 30 people at least.
The Institute of Christ the King says the TLM every Sunday in Rome at the Church of Gesu e Maria, in the via del Corso, not far from Populo, but it is not a personal parish.
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