What lovely tall candles!


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Gravatar is there going to be a regular TLM in this church?


Gravatar Special thanks to Jeffrey Tucker for re-formating this. If it weren't for him I'd be condemned to pencil and paper!


Gravatar I hate to be a stick in the mud about the beautiful sermon and the Mass, but I'm not sure about the ceremonies being the same in 550. Some of them were pretty different back then.


Gravatar I had the same thought. From reading Ordo Romanus Primus, which is later than 550 (probably late 7th century), my impression is that most of us would have found the celebration there described quite disorienting. The cause of tradition is not well served by those who present it as equivalent to stasis.


Gravatar I don't understand why one would begin and end the sermon with the sign of the cross. Is the sermon a separate rite, apart from the Mass?


Gravatar Well, the Canon would be as it was in 550, but for the additions by St. Gregory and the addition of St. Joseph.

However, there were no offertory prayers in the Gregorian Sacramentary except the oratio super oblata (now called Secret).

Also, will this Mass be a regular occurrence?


Gravatar My churdch once had an elderly priest who would begin and end sermons with the sign of the cross, perhaps it's an old tradition/custom in some areas.


Gravatar I believe it was St. Augustine who said that the sermon is a prayer, and therefore many begin and end it with the sign of the cross. It is quite customary.

As for the bit about 550, the fact is that no one knows. The truth is that this little tidbit does not in the least affect the central thesis of the sermon.


Gravatar In Germany (I am sorry if I often bring up comparisons with that country, but it is the one I know best, I hope no one feels annoyed) it is quite common, even in novus ordo Masses, to begin and end the sermon with the sign of the Cross.
And I think Brian Crane is right: the sermon used not to be considered a part of the Mass proper. Formerly, it was often given before/after Mass. If it was given after the Gospel, not only was the maniple put off (as is still the case), but often also the chasuble (as is sometimes still the case; I think Martin Mosebach comments on that in his book).


Gravatar I don't know if Lourdes will offer the RR-EU on a regular basis, but a nearby South Jersey parish, S. Peter Merchantville, will:

http://www.stpeterrcc.com/MassTimes.htm

Fr. Manuppella, the pastor at S. Peter, is a friend of Fr. Bartoloma's.


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