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In your explanation about the various languages that the FSSP Training Kit will be translated into, Chinese AND Mandarin are given as two of the targeted languages. Mandarin IS just another word for Chinese. Mandarin is also a given term for standard Chinese as apart from Cantonese which is considered a dialect of Chinese (Mandarin). When any text is translated into two "Chinese" languages, the options are usually Mandarin and a dialect like Cantonese (as opposed to a dozen or so other Chinese dialects). So what you might mean is that the kit is going to be translated into both standard Chinese and Cantonese.
Will there be a European distributor for the DVD ?
Will there ever be a training video for the Ordinary Form?
Ben: I second that.
Has there ever been a training program (DVD, VHS, diorama, etc.) of this magnitude for the Ordinary Form? Has anyone taken the time to teach the Mass with so much attention to detail?
That's not Fr. de Malleray by any chance saying the Mass?
It is Fr Gregory Pendergraft, FSSP and Fr Joseph Lee, FSSP is serving.
Congratulations to the FSSP and EWTN for this spectacular video production, explanation and demonstration of the Mass of the Extraordinary Form according to the 1962 Missale Romanum.
I am sure this DVD video will have a tremendous effect in forming priests and future priests for years to come.
Fr. Scott A. Haynes, SJC
Canons Regular of St. John Cantius
Chicago
http://www.canons-regular.org/
http://www.sanctamissa.org/en/
I wonder if this could be used for someone wanting to learn how to serve the EF? I have the dvd from the Canons Regular of St. John Cantius, but the server speaks so fast, it sounds garbled, and since I need to learn how to pronounce the words....
A detailed video such as this will truly be a great resource. I, like many priests, am to a large extent self-taught. It's a clunky and imperfect way to learn (God bless those who can have "organic development" in the E.F. from altar server all the way up to priesthood!) I recall going through Fortescue and O'Connell with a fine tooth comb and watching the only video I had at the time over and over again (High Mass, Low Mass, Benediction from the Latin Mass Society of England and Wales). I would have given anything for a DVD like this!
It is a blessing that this DVD is now available to the Church and it will do much good. The FSSP, as always, is to be highly commended.
Great news! Will it be available in Zone 2 format? Scott
Scott:
You mean PAL? That was going to be my question too. Not all machines here can play NTSC DVDs/VHS.
Keep in mind that most computer DVD's can play multiple regions and formats. I am able to play, for instance, European DVD's fine on any computer.
Regarding the Ordinary Form, that would be interesting, though there are a few practical difficulties, including the debate about what can or cannot be brought over as an enrichment, what to do about the issue of options in the Missal, what about the issue or orientation, Latin vs. Vernacular, the issue of propers vs. hymns, so on and so forth.
This said, let's not forget that a DVD like this can be of great use to the modern Roman liturgy as well.
Take for example the issue of liturgical posture and gesture that is addressed in the DVD. Priests often say they aren't sure what to do with their eyes or hands, etc. and they could benefit from the rubrics in this regard that are taught through this DVD, bringing these things into their own modern Roman liturgies.
I don't have time to continue this thought much beyond this at this moment, but I wanted to put this out there for consideration.
What a great teaching tool this must be - brilliant to offer the four angled views.
In regard to adding EF-like rubrics to the OF, I recently spoke with a local priest who is under the impression that this isn't allowed because they aren't specifically cited for the OF.
I think the EF rubrics, although not all would fit, would enhance the OF and add reverence as well as more thorough teaching to priest and people. It sure would be nice to get clarification on what EF rubrics can be used in the OF. I find it hard to believe that a priest could not hold his thumb and forefinger closed after confecting the Eucharist, for instance. Additions like this to the OF would also help prep a priest and parish for the EF.
Is Rev. Goodwin an ancient jesuit?
Cantonese is not a dialect of Modern Standard Chinese (what is commonly but erroneously called 'Mandarin' in the West) - the former has a venerable history (scholars of classical Chinese poetry often resort to Cantonese in order to reconstruct pronunciation), while the latter was largely invented in the twentieth century.
Tina,
In some cases this is true, but in other cases there really is no problem.
Does the DVD show examples of and teach the sung Mass too, or is the focus low mass?
E Flandria,
Yes, Fr. Goodwin was previously a Jesuit before transferring to the FSSP.
I recognized Fr. Gregory Pendergraft!
He came a few times to our Upstate NY chapel to say the Mass.
How wonderful of both EWTN and FSSP for putting this out!
Fr. Bartoloma,
I surely understand you. I see today this young servers with great confidence as they enter the priesthood with a more natural and regular experience with the traditional liturgy. Their generation will have new challenges to face, but also better liturgical formation, with practice well rooted in theis own parish life.
But self-taught also have tremendous merits as we made the hard process to find the sources, and learn from them through many hardships.
God bless you!
Wonderful news for traditionally minded Latin Rite Catholics. An option other than the SSPX DVD.
Is this ONLY for the Low Mass or a combination of both High/Low?
If only the Low Mass, why not a training DVD for High Mass? When did Low Mass become the de-facto normative mass? Very strange.
This video does not show High Mass or Solemn Mass.
Anonymous,
You are correct. That is no doubt understandable however since it is intended as an introductory point of training at the most rudimentary level.
Adapting this to the sung Mass would be of great ease as it is quite a simple switch.
Solemn Mass would require a far greater effort and its value may be more a few years down the road as more priests begin to learn this and therefore begin to cooperate together in coordinating solemn Masses -- which they hopefully will.
It was easy to destroy the liturgy 40 years ago but it is going to take Herculean efforts and brave men to rebuild it.
Thanks be to God for the efforts of the Priestly Frat. of St. Peter, Inst. of Christ the King, the Canons Reg. of St. John Cantius, who have been training priests to offer the TLM.
This DVD and the others that have come before it and that will come after it are powerful resources in the hands of our future priests.
Look how much has been done in 1 year since the Motu Proprio of B 16! What will happen in 3 yrs, 5yrs, 10yrs?
Ora et labora!
According to the rubrics of 1962, at the "Gloria Patri" (Introït, Lavabo,...) and mentions of Jesus and Maria, the priest should not incline the head in direction of the cross but in direction of the altar, right in front of him. The FSSP doesn't know very well the 1962 editio typica. This problem is an inheritance of the FSSPX which is not interested in liturgy and especially in rubrics..
I find it hard to believe that a priest could not hold his thumb and forefinger closed after confecting the Eucharist, for instance.
This can be extremely difficult when, for example, you have to handle four to six ciboria and eight to ten chalices, as I do for certain Masses here in my parish (it's not my choice - if I were pastor I'd distribute only the host). When handling such a preponderance of vessels and ones and strangely-shaped ones at that, it is very difficult to maintain the digits. (Our "common cups" are shaped such that it would be dangerous to grasp them without the assistance of the thumb.)
What I do is continually check my fingers after every time I have handled the host/hosts and make sure that there are no particles. Not only do I avoid losing particles that way but the parishioners see it and know that the particles are important. Again, if I were pastor, we would not have this problem, because we would distribute only the Host! (And I would use normal ciboria with pedestals instead of the detestable stackable type that we presently have, which also require the use of the thumb to hold securely.)
Fr BJ,
In regard to the thumb and forefinger: Well there goes that hope. It saddens me that such a respectful custom would be so difficult to maintain. God Bless you for the effort you do make.
I do wonder what EF rubrics could be used in the OF and if this has ever been clarified for our clergy. Or if this is a feasible idea.
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