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I find the Missal of 1962 much much richer in its Epistle's and Gospels.
Also I could never remember the three year cycle of the Novus Ordo lectionary.
To much time between readings and gospels.
With the Mass of Pope St Pius V, I can almost always remember any given Sundays epistles and Gospels and take them more to heart.
Putting them into my sacramental life as I was never before able to in the Novus Ordo cycle.
God bless you.
Part of discovering that 'middle ground' betweent the two forms is identifying the pro's and con's. I like the EF's 1-year Sunday cycle--it keeps things predictable and unifies the musical selections (chants) with more ease, but the OF's two-year WEEKDAY lectionary is a good idea (with touch-ups of course--many of the selections end in the middle of a thematic segment).
What I find tickling is that the Cardinal says he's always celebrated Mass according to the EF. Is that a translation glitch?
"Gregorian Chant is the true music of the church" I totally agree!!. But tell that to 95% of the Catholic parishes out there. They will disagree 100%. Get the contemporary music and guitars out.
No translation glitch; the good Cardinal indeed says that he has "always celebrated Mass with the liturgical books [sic] of St Pius V".
Also, there is a final paragraph where he states his preference for communion on the tongue.
As to the question of mixing the new lectionary with the old missal, that is really what the interview centres on. The cardinal invites bloggers to have a discussion, so, dear Mr Tribe, pehaps you would set that going?
And allow me to say that I would have grave reservations about such a hybrid. One of the great delights of the Missal of Pius V is precisely the lectionary it incorporates. The bible is there for us to read as much as, and whenever, we like. At Mass it is wise to have only a limited selection of texts. It is pastorally much more sensible as well. For every one layman who appreciates the numerous readings at the new Mass, there are ninety-nine who find them quite tedious.
I like the part about individual bishops being free to have their opinion about the Missal of Pius V, but not having the competence to suppress it in their diocese in disobedience to the HF.
Let the people say, "Amen."
Gregorian chant must always have pride of place. They need to bring back the "Index" and place anything printed by the OCP under edict.
Mons. Gamber pointed out some shortcomings of the new lectionary in his book, The Reform of the Roman Liturgy. I think it would be better to follow his advice and rather add to the old lectionary (for example on ferial days and using material from other ancient lectionaries) than use the new one.
Kumbaya My Lord Kumbaya. Gregorian Chant Pride of Place. Yeh Right!!. Latin is Dead!!!!!!!!!. Get with reality people. Nobody wants Latin. Or the Old Mass (TLM) for that matter. Why do you think over 90% of the Roman Catholic clergy don't give a hoot about the TLM. Welcome to the Roman Catholic Church of the 21st Century!!. Kumbayaa My Lord Kumbayaaaaaa. And do you really think they will listen to the Pope. Not!! He won't live forever Kumbayaa. Get used to it!!!. The Church has changed FOR GOOD!! NO REFORM OF THE REFORM!!! Go tell it on the mountain!. The Cardinal is a itsy bitsy minority!! And I would tell it to his face to!!.
Not if traditional Roman Catholics have anything to say about it!. Were growing!. Fact!.
You know, I have the feeling Modern Day Catholic is joking here. I mean actual opponents would speak in 'high', technical jargon that would be barely understood by the common layman (at least that's my experience on reading a lot of arguments against the TLM and the MP).
'Roman Catholic Church of the 21st Century'? I wonder what our great-grandchildren in the 22nd Century will think of it...This is the problem with trying to 'modernize' the Church; you have to constantly 'update' it to keep it in. Jesus actually did us a favor and saved us from further breaking a sweat by keeping the Church timeless.
G'day Dan Hunter,
I concur that the TLM 1 year cycle should remain normative. The Mass is NOT an exercise in pedagogy, and, as someone else pointed out - the Bible is always there to dip into outside of Mass (a laudatory practice) regardless. But, if one wishes for chunks of scripture - try Matins on for size!
In conclusion, one must surely point out that the calendar year is the natural cycle of times and seasons; a two or three year cycle is ludicrous and opposed to the natural order of things.
Tony from Oz
While I do prefer the 3-Year (Pauline) Cycle, I do think the One Year Cycle can serve as a 'sneak peek' to the Bible, an invitation to pick up and read the Text for yourself.
My children used to sing "Come by car, Lord" , with variations included "bus" and "train" but not including "bike" as they thought that lacking in respect. I think they showed a true instinct when confronted with ethnic nonsense. On the other hand they were moved by the sublimity of gregorian chant.
I would applaud a middle way between uses, as the old Missal is not perfect and has been deformed rather than reformed in the Paul VI missal. The Church wanted Girondins but got Jacobins.
I have in the past commented about what I consider one of the worst elements of the liturgical revolution, the "reform" of the calendar and the imposition of the three-year cycle of readings.
I strongly agree with the need for a single (one full year) cycle of Sunday readings for both forms of the Roman Rite - obviously the 1962. The ferial days and new feasts would be the more logical beneficiaries of *some* additions, perhaps in a two-year cycle as stated elsewhere.
Certainly there are *some* Sundays and feasts - even in the 1962 Missal - which would benefit from the addition of an O.T. reading or Epistle, but certainly not every Sunday or weekday. On days when this is really apropos, and there is a true relationship between the O.T., Epistle, and Gospel - especially then the additional reading will truly nourish the Faith of the people.
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