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"..you might have noticed a big change in the Catholic world."
Yes, Jeffrey, there has been a big change in the Catholic world -- in the US and Western Europe. In Asia, Latin America, Africa and much of Eastern Europe, things seem to have stayed pretty much the same.
However, once the change that you speak of has begun to dominate Catholic seminaries and universities in Rome, US and Italy, the seminarians from Latin America, Africa and Asia being trained there will bring it to their home countries.
So, optimistically, I hope that the change which began to be felt in your parishes in 2007 will begin to make itself felt in MY parish by 2017.
Yes, Summorum Pontificorum has changed some things. I was reeling in shock from the fact that the Forma Extraordinaria was celebrated in the chapel of my old seminary. I won't give the name away, but in the time I was there, attending the old rite could land you in some serious formational trouble.
The following is a paste and copy of the programme for the Liturgical Conference held in Palermo this week...I heard parts of it on the Radio...and I can assure you what I heard was biased (not direct attacks) against the Mass before Vatican II....The"spirit of VII" is still alive and well! Purtroppo!! What I heard did not in any manner refer to the two forms of Holy Mass "living in harmony " together! I might have missed that ...but a quick perusal of the names should be sufficient to presume that this was the case. Mons. Luca Brandolini was the last speaker this morning.....and, although he said some good things about restoration of the sacred.. it would appear that he HAS NOT changed his views from last year...remembering his reaction to S.P.
Lunedì 25 - San Paolo Palace Hotel Centro Congressi Ore 17,00 Celebrazione d’inizio - S.E. Mons. Paolo Romeo,Arcivescovo Metropolita di Palermo Saluto - S.E. Mons. Luca Brandolini,Vescovo di Sora-Aquino-Pontecorvo, Presidente Centro Azione LiturgicaI Relazione - Partecipare: aspetti antropologici e teologici
Prof. Giorgio Bonaccorso,Docente, Istituto di Liturgia Pastorale di S. Giustina, Padova Ore 20,00 Cena
Ore 21,30 Visita della città
Martedì 26 - San Paolo Palace Hotel Centro Congressi Ore 8,30 Celebrazione Lodi - S.E. Mons. Piero Marini,Presidente del Pontificio Comitato per i Congressi Eucaristici internazionali Ore 10,00 II Relazione - Dal Mistero rivelato ai Misteri celebrati P. Enzo Bianchi,
Priore della comunità monastica di Bose Ore 11,30 Interventi in assemblea
Ore 13,00 Pranzo Ore 16,00 III Relazione - Alla scuola dei Padri per entrare nel Mistero della salvezza
S.E. Mons. Salvatore Di Cristina,
Arcivescovo di Monreale Ore 18,30 Chiesa di S. Domenico: Celebrazione Eucaristica - S.E. Mons. Felice Di Molfetta, Presidente Commissione CEI per la Liturgia Ore 20,00 Chiesa di San Mamiliano V. M.: Concerto d’organo
Mercoledì 27 - San Paolo Palace Hotel Centro Congressi Ore 8,30 Preghiera del mattino S.E. Mons. Salvatore Pappalardo, Vescovo di Nicosia,Delegato Regionale per la Liturgia Lectio: Prof.ssa Silvana Manfredi, Docente, Vice Preside Pontificia Facoltà Teologica di Sicilia, Palermo Ore 10,00 IVRelazione - La partecipazione: istanza fondamentale del rinnovamento liturgico Prof. Pietro Sorci, ofm,
Docente, Pontificia Facoltà Teologica di Sicilia, Palermo Ore 11,30 Comunicazione - L’attuazione della riforma liturgica nell’episcopato
del Card. S. Pappalardo Prof.ssa Rita Di Pasquale, Docente, Pontificia Facoltà Teologica di Sicilia, Palermo
Ore 13,00 Pranzo Ore 16,00 Relazione - “L’ars celebrandi” e la partecipazione attiva dell’assemblea
Prof. Andrea Grillo,Docente,Pontificio Ateneo S. Anselmo, Roma Monreale Ore 18,30 Cattedrale: Celebrazione Eucaristica - S.Em. Card. Crescenzio Sepe,
Arcivescovo Metropolita di Napoli
Ore 20,00 Cena buffet Ore 21,00 Preghiera nella luce, animata da Mons. Crispino Valenziano, Docente, Pontificio Ateneo S. Anselmo, Roma
Giovedì 28 - San Paolo Palace Hotel Centro Congressi Ore 8,30 Odi della Paraclisis in onore della Theotokos - S.E. Mons. Sotir Ferrara, Eparca Piana degli Albanesi Ore 10,00 VI Relazione - Luoghi della liturgia e senso umano dello spazio Don Giuliano Zanchi,Direttore Museo Diocesano, Bergamo Ore 11,30 Comunicazione: Tempo e spazio in sinergia nella partecipazione liturgica bizantina
Luigi Fioriti, Diacono della Chiesa italo - albanese di Lungro
Ore 13,00 Pranzo Ore 16,00 Gruppi di interesse:1. La partecipazione nella liturgia e nella pietà popolare
P. Massimo Cucinotta,Direttore Ufficio Liturgico, Arcidiocesi di Messina 2. Quale partecipazione della donna nella liturgia? Prof.ssa Valeria Trapani,
Docente, Pontificia Facoltà Teologica di Sicilia, Palermo 3. Musica e canto per favorire la partecipazione
Don Leo Di Simone,Direttore Ufficio Beni Culturali Ecclesiastici, Diocesi di Mazara del Vallo 4. La famiglia e l’iniziazione cristiana dei figli
Don Vincenzo Branchina,
Direttore del Servizio del Catecumenato, Diocesi di Catania
5. La partecipazione dei fanciulli alla liturgia Don Domenico Messina,
Direttore Ufficio Liturgico, Diocesi di Cefalù Ore 18,30 Cattedrale: Celebrazione Eucaristica
S.E. Mons. Paolo Romeo, Arcivescovo di Palermo
Ore 20,00 Cena Ore 21,30 Spettacolo in memoria di P. Pino Puglisi
Venerdì 29 - San Paolo Palace Hotel Centro Congressi Ore 8,30 Celebrazione Lodi - S.E. Mons. Carmelo Cuttitta, Vescovo Ausiliare di Palermo, Segretario della Conferenza Episcopale Siciliana Ore 9,30 VII Relazione - Partecipazione alla liturgia, spiritualità cristiana e impegno nel mondo S.E. Mons. Luca Brandolini, Presidente Centro Azione Liturgica Ore 11,00 Chiesa di S. Giuseppe ai Teatini: Celebrazione Eucaristica Conclusiva
Ore 21,30 Cena in Albergo
Wow, that is a really super post! Thank you very much.
Speaking with a choir member of mine last night who spent the Summer in London (his home land)... he was rather taken aback that the parish he had been attending for many years there (St. Mary's, Grosvenor's Square?) now says the Mass in Latin. He though it was wonderful. It touched off a conversation at our rehearsal about some of the reforms going on. Things are changing....
Things are changing but there is a real "Cold War" going on. We will win in the end but it is not going to be pretty. Keep doing what you are doing. There are many battles being fought and liturgy is not the only battle although it is a very important one since it involves the source of our strength - the source and summit of the Christian life.
What a beautifully touching and yet sad article about what has happened to our beloved Church and faith. It makes me want to weap. At least we are on the road to recovery and I hope to see it paved with gold. The confusion wrought by unbelieving what we believed had many peripheral effects. For example, I am from the NO generation and I remember as I was going through Cathesis circa 75, I was told to not call it Cathecism anymore, but Religious Instructions. When I questioned by parents about this and other things they said they could not help me. Simply they said it is a new Church with a new way that they did not understand. That was a break in tradition for sure. My own family could not relate to me or the Church during those turbulent times. No passing on of tradition. Nothing was familiar to them. I was disconnected. I am not alone, it happened to millions of families worldwide I am sure. Time to make it right, once and for all. (or many?)
Jeffry
teaching CCD!!?
your a brave man!
Oh that's another thing. They changed the name of CCD to XYZ or something. Who knows!
Jeffrey Tucker
Excellent article, entirely true in its analysis.
Chironimo
The church your friend refers to is either the Jesuit church of the Immaculate Conception, Farm Street, London, W1 which has continuously had a Solemn Mass in Latin on Sunday at 11am for the last forty years. It is three minutes walk from Grosvenor Square.
Or it might also be the neighbouring church of St James, Spanish Place, W1 which celebrates Mass in the Classical Roman Rite at 9.30am every Sunday and a Latin Solemn Mass at 10.30am. It is fifteen minutes walk from Grosvenor Square.
In some ways it appears that Catholicism in practice before Vatican II was actually somewhat more liberal, simply because the bar was so high as far as what one was expected to do and believe, that no one really ever expected anyone but maybe the most practiced of monastics to ever totally live up to it.
Clint, what exactly are we no longer expected to do or believe after Vatican II? Who "lowered the bar?"
Or is that just the Spirit of Vatican II?
Clint:
What exactly was one expected to do and believe in Catholic practice before Vatican II when the "bar was so high"? And just how far back before the time of Vatican II: do you mean the decades prior to; or do you mean back to the Middle Ages, the time of the Fathers, or to the very time when the Apostles walked the face of the earth after the Ascension?
Please enlighten us. Thank you.
He might be trying to say that there was a lot more talk about sin and confession in the old days, so you could admit to being a sinner and work on confessing your sins and amending your life. Nowadays, people are sometimes told that everything's cotton candy and they shouldn't feel bad about themselves, which is rather hard and binding on someone who feels like a sinner and knows he's done something wrong.
Anyway... the Spirit of Summorum, or St. Augustine, or St. Peter, sure seems to be working on most of our American bishops this week, just as it has been on my local one over the last year or so. I'm so happy to be able to be proud of them! I wish they'd gotten spines earlier... but I'm glad they've picked up their croziers now. God is merciful and good.
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