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If you think Gustavsson is awesome, you have no clue about goalies.
I have never seen a goalie before in the entire history of the NHL who is out of position on nearly every shot against him. He has no clue where his net is and has zero control of his body when moving laterally in the butterfly position.
He will not last long in the NHL.
Pfffft. Ever heard of Roman Cechmanek or 95% of the goalies from the 80's for that matter?
Come on. I'll admit that it'll will take more than 2 or 3 games to get a read on whether this guy is a legit NHL tender but his positioning isn't nearly as bad as you say it is.
He's also got a new goalie coach and I would imagine it would take more then a few games to learn the different angles of the NA ice.
He's physically imposing in net, he's good at angling pucks to the corners, his rebound control is good and his 3 or 4 big recovery saves have been highlight material so far.
If he's the most positionally unsound goalies in the league I guess I'm seeing the games differently than you are.
I was actually at the Sens/Bruins game last Saturday which featured a pretty odd goalie (technically speaking) in Tim Thomas. He seems to be able to get the job done.
Yep, I've heard of them and they are gone from the NHL just as Gustavsson will be. Gustavsson is worse positonally then anyone in the broad range of goalies you gave me while only mentioning one of them.
His positioning is horrendous and you saying the contrary shows your lack of knowledge in the position.
Maybe if he was a 19 year old goalie, these things can be fixed, but we are not talking about a raw young kid of a prospect.
His rebound control is horrendous and the highlight reel saves you speak of are only due to the fact that he has no clue where his net is in the first place. Recovery saves can happen but don't be alarmed when teams start making extra pass and an open net is staring at the opposition. You better hope Exelby can learn some defense and break up that pass.
The fact that you compare Thomas to Gustavsson speaks volumes and also that you think being positionally sound is the same as technically sound.
Yep, pretty sure it's the defenseman's job to take away that extra pass so the Goose can take the shooter.
Man, are you Patrick Roy or CuJo posting on this site using a pseudonym? I've got it! How's it going Patrick Lalime? Wow, if anyone knows about covering angles it's you!
Grow up dude. No need to go off like that.
This is the difference between arguing with a Snes fan vs. a Leafs fan. Fanaticism vs. reasoning. It scares me that some of you are allowed out of the house.
How much are you selling your loyalty for?
Way to argue the facts as they are presented. Great work, so basically you've got nothing to dispute my views.
And you have no idea who I am other than someone who knows the position way better than you.
well as long as we are pointing out lack of facts and disproving points, what have you provided other than your opinion?
You're awesome! You're definitely the only person here who has ever played and watched hockey.
Watch the game highlights bud. Tell me how many goals are caused by Gustavsson being out of position? Maybe one? Slighty? And it was on a power play where he's being forced to move laterally. That happens to the best goalies in the league almost nightly.
And by the way, in my blue and white world, being well positioned is about being able to cut down your angles which is, in most cases, a bi-product of being technically sound.
Keep up the good work though. Your career as 3rd string backup goalie in Junior B obviously makes you the expert on the subject.
Watch the game highlights??? Yeah, that's a good way to get a read on a goalie. How about you watch the game highlights on TSN too, or Sportsnet. That will give you a great read on a Toronto goalie.
No thanks, I think I will continue to watch the actual GAME.
Yep, third string Junior B, that's right, that's where I played. I suppose you played goal to and that is where you got your username. Did you forget the H, L and E? Thanks Five-HoLE.
I'm so tired of responding to posts/posters like this. You Snes fans have a lot of growing up to do. Enjoy your childish, baseless and totally ignorant arguing. I'm out.
Clearly this BoO experiment isn't working. See y'all at PPP where we can have rational arguments sans bullshit. Discussion!!!1
Who said I was a Sens fan? Not even close.
Are the Sens a better team than the Leafs, well that is not even close either, yes they are.
I have seen more of the world playing hockey tham you have seen dust-balls in you moms basement. So do I know the position, you bet your moms rent I do.
I did watch the game. I assumed because of your pure hatred of Gustavsson that you're a Sens fan and watched the Sens game on TSN2 last night.
No? You watched the Leafs instead?
That a boy. Welcome to the dark side.
5-O. I'm a cop you idiot!!!
Actually, I'm a forward. So going by your guidelines I obviously know alot more about the forward position in the NHL than you do, right? In that case... Spezza is the worst player in the league, ever.
PS. Gustavsson is friggin awesome.
Oh, and you are complaining about a 5 on 3 against when you needed three of them yourself to get your only win of the season?
That shit right there is funny.
Only in Leaf land...
No douchebag, I'm complaining about a slimey diving fuck overembellishing a high stick to the face that never was. If you actually read the post I mention the fact that Ponikarovsky takes a dumb penalty before that.
So I guess you're saying you like what Ribeiro did?
If you're not a Sens or Leafs fan what the hell are you doing here. Go start up your own blog. I think iknoweverythingabouthockey.com is still available.
PS. Gustavsson is friggin awesome.
Maybe if he gets a couple of shutouts in a row he can get his sv % over .900.
Roman Cechmanek? Egads.....
I have seen more of the world playing hockey tham you have seen dust-balls in you moms basement. So do I know the position, you bet your moms rent I do.
Would you agree that the scouts for the 30 teams in the NHL also know how to assess the position? Because according to reports every NHL team expressed interest in Gustavsson before he narrowed his options. That includes every Canadian team.
Why would they want a player that is as awful as you say? Are you seeing something all those people don't? Do you know goaltending better than Francois Allaire who when asked to give his take on Gustavsson yesterday replied "I don't know yet, I have to see him play more".
Maybe if he gets a couple of shutouts in a row he can get his sv % over .900.
Actually I think he's only one shutout away from being over .900. Having only played 8 periods of hockey and all...
How the Sens doing tonight?
you guys suck ass. Someone new comes on and makes a point that can objectively be verified and is outside of the usual name calling and the only response you morons can muster is 'who are you' and ad hominrm mockery.
The fact you are so desperate to rank an opinion based on where it comes from is ample evidence that those emanating from your ilk hold no water.
STAMKOS!
you guys suck ass. Someone new comes on and makes a point that can objectively be verified and is outside of the usual name calling and the only response you morons can muster is 'who are you'
Is that how you saw this thread?
Well, that's your opinion and you can have it. It takes two to tango. I think if you read back you'll find "new guy" was being pretty dismissive and grating from the get go.
Also, he's far from a new guy.
Read the thread SSS. He's the one that started the whole "I know more than anyone" chest beating simply because he's apparently played some hockey overseas.
Would you agree with him that Gustavsson is the most out of position goalie to "ever" play the game?
Are you fucking kidding me?
BeRed?
G is not God goalie yet, maybe never will be only time will tell. He sure as heck was better than what was in there before.
Not to take RR conclusion but to agree, kinda sorta with a point. And that is the way to beat a goalie like G is lots of passing, which is why G works hard on that part of the game. Additionally, you saw it in dallas and Anaheim where they were trying to bank shots off the back boards.
While this can work against any goalie, it is particularly effective against a goalie who comes out an plays the angles vs one who cheats back in the net a little trying to anticipate the pass.
G's size, which means reach, is what works for him combined with taking away the initial shot. The Leaf defence will have to work to accomodate this, which as someone said, take away the pass, clear the rebounds. This is different than Toskala or McDonald.
But G is aggresively "well positioned" for the shot, the cost is he can be vulnerable to lateral with a one timer or the bank off the back board. But I will take that anyday, since those are difficult palys to execute and a decent defene can take those away (that last point about defence is big if right now with Exelby, Komisarek and Schenn being inconsistent)
Watch for the laterals and the back board pass (you know a shot that is intentionally wide)
But G has been solid. When the Leafs cover the man in front/to the side better then G might get his shut out.
RR might be right or wrong in saying that Gustavsson is the most out of position goalie to "ever" play the game? he's certainly not the first to make that point in some form or another. Code words to look for in major media outlets are 'adjusting to the ice size' etc. If he's exaggerating to make a point, it's still a point more than is made in comments like this:
Man, are you Patrick Roy or CuJo posting on this site using a pseudonym? I've got it! How's it going Patrick Lalime? Wow, if anyone knows about covering angles it's you
which is not an argument, and in the height of irony is followed by 'Grow up dude. No need to go off like that.' And it's the first one like it in this thread. And yes, people throwing out 'BeRed' and 'Notch' amount to the same thing.
I'm sorry if you guys feel threatened when someone calls into question your opinion or your arguments that are made cursorily, often based on either willful ignorance of things as basic as the standings or on goaltender names/styles of the 80s. Unfortunately for you, some people actually do know these things and while them bothering to correct you after your displays of ignorance might seem like a personal attack, it is not.
The question -- the ONLY question should be on whether the point in question has merit. RR's point had some, as even 5-0 admitted it in his initial response, after drawing on one counter example which RR disagreed with.
Then the ridiculousness ensued. Again. Yay.
Theatened? Whatever. I have no problem discussing differences in opinions. He didn't just question my opinion, he attacked my knowledge of the sport almost immediately... All while beating his own chest and declaring the fact that he knows best because he's "played the game".
Read his very first comment:
"If you think Gustavsson is awesome, you have no clue about goalies."
And then in his next post:
"His positioning is horrendous and you saying the contrary shows your lack of knowledge in the position."
And again following that:
"And you have no idea who I am other than someone who knows the position way better than you."
And another:
"I have seen more of the world playing hockey tham you have seen dust-balls in you moms basement."
Every simngle comment he makes has a personal attack in it. And apparently, as his comments clearly indicate, his opinion holds the most value because he has played the game. Like he's the only one here that has ever played the sport at a high level.
If he couldn't tell from the picture of Ribeiro that I was making a bit of a joke with this post then he's obviously been hit in the head with a few too many pucks.
Pat Burns never played more than a coulple of games in junior (Windsor, I think[?]). Not bad for a multiple Jack Adams guy and a Cup winner.
scotty bowman anyone?
Then the ridiculousness ensued. Again. Yay.
Don't worry about it Supersix. The "new guy" came in with guns a blazin' and he can handle himself. Although, maybe not, because I asked him a valid question and he didn't bother to answer me?
Five-O, I was thinking BeRed. Although no in-depth coverage stolen from Sens fans at another site yet? So it's hard to say for sure!
Ahhh, BeRed. I miss his crazy antics sometimes.
He claimed to be a goalie though and had apparently "seen the world" playing hockey. It just smells of BeRed.
It just smells of BeRed.
Nah. The comments were nowhere near 10,000 words.
and he's talking to everyone, not just Sens fans
It's tough for the rookies to break into the starting lineup.
1st Line
THM (LW) DC in Yow( C) Anshu(RW)
Don(LD) Jay(RD)
Duff(G)
No way am I on the left!
LOL...I thought it was the Glebe thing 
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