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Well said Chuck. I whole heartedly concur!!
In an earlier day, this shitbag would not be breathing anymore.
It's called a firing squad.
DS
Where on earth did you meet or read this douche??? Good questions, bet he doesn't have good answers.
He deployed to Afghanistan - this might rule out 'cowardice because he didn't want to go to war'.
Amen Brother...As I recall Desertion is a crime punishable by death. I can't believe he wasn't arrested when he went before Congress. Who am I kidding; Congress probably ate that shit up and will give him a medal
I did a quick Google of this guy and looked at some of his "work", since he is a "photojournalist". Most of his stuff is just average quality. Do a search on Flikr and you will find far better photos of the Army by total amateurs.
Gentlemen:
I find it sad that you suffered so in Iraq and I could not stop this inhumane act against the Iraqi people. So, you have suffered deeply from this great lie and have been injured beyond belief. But why do you fail to realize that this war was started on a lie concocted by the evil heart of George Bush and his other idiots. If you do some serious and honest research, this fact will burn deeper in your brain and you will stand proud with Chiroux. How can desertion against an illegal act be considered punishable by death? This is like deserting the Nazi party and being hung in the street for taking a stand against a dictatorship. Once a soldier has been honorably discharged he should not have to be subject to recall. He has suffered enough and this is a terrible law that was passed to keep people slaves to the Empire. Look how Bush has abandoned the veterans and their proper care. This is outrageous. Hail to Chiroux!
Dear Democrat Matt
What lie? I assume you are referring to the lie both Clintons told about there being WMD's in Iraq.
Let's play along. I'm Saddam Hussein and you're one of my stooges. Being a Dem, you're good at that. Let's take the 80'000 litres of Sarin nerve gas Saddam admitted to having before W had his ass kicked. I don't know how big the containers are, but let's assume they would all fit into say 5 semi trailers. Iraq is a country the size of California. I as Saddam will give you 15 YEARS since the first gulf war to hide these trailers. You have unlimited money and resources to do so. After hiding said nerve agents, you can have all the workers who helped killed if you want to hide the secret. After all, this is a ruthless dictatorship. I would suggest after hiding the trailers, build a school or something else innocent over the site. That way no one will look there. Then set back and watch the UN inspectors not find it. Then you can say " it doesn't exist". Or you can move it to a friendly country by truck or air, since no one is checking your movements.
Or maye you're right, maybe the Clintons both lied about the WMD's after all.
If I left my current job and signed a non-disclosure or non-compete agreement, I would be held to those timelines regardless. I signed the paperwork, it's my responsibility to adhere to it.
Why is it IRR is treated by some as a travesty when other legally binding contracts are no big deal?
CJ has more details on the IRR aspect of it at his blog.
Actually, I'm just posting so I can click the "Notify me..." window to see Chux response.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'll be off popping popcorn.
MjrC
Is this Chiroux REALLY in the Army???
From what you wrote i would say that he really has no idea what he is talking about or actually doing. If he is in the Army then the higher ups and the Jags need to take him aside and read him the rules and regulations making sure he understands what his contract states and does not state.
He said that he was a photo-journalist. So i'm with you where are the pictures that will back up his words. If he has them, will he turn over a set to Jag for processing? Hey nothing like getting the Lawyers involved.
Matt Omen--a very liberal democrat and sounding like a member of code pink. Dumb-Da-Dumb Dumb.
YO - Matt!! -- take the liberal blinders off and take a really good look at the world. i bet you just might want to dig a hole and pull the dirt back in after you get into that hole. In other words grow up and get your head out of your A$$ and stop being part of the problem.
Some people tilt at windmills. I talk to trolls. It rarely does any good but .. you never know.
And everyone needs a hobby.
Hail to Chiroux!
Matt, this is a Republic. We don't tug our forelocks to our betters and we're not big on great big gusts of 'hail this' or 'hail that'. If you want to break out in a fit of Romanesque adulation, this isn't the country for it.
How can desertion against an illegal act be considered punishable by death?
When a person enlists, the rules and regulations are carefully explained. Service members agree to abide by rules and regulations that are known as the UCMJ - Uniform Code of Military Justice.
This isn't stuff that's made up, nor is it that feelings are running high - the guy is bound by rules he agreed to: it's a contractual thing.
Once a soldier has been honorably discharged he should not have to be subject to recall.
Like that. Everyone agrees to eight years of service. It's in the contract. You can obtain a honorable discharge after two, or four years but you're bound by contract to come back to the service if they call you.
This can suck - it sucked in 1990 when many many of my peers were extended or called back. Some Marines had really good jobs lined up - some were working at really good jobs or had their schooling interrupted.
It sucks now. But it's what they agreed to.
This is like deserting the Nazi party and being hung in the street for taking a stand against a dictatorship.
No, it's not. Writing this shows that you have a dangerously loose grip on history and lack a sense of proportion.
Matt Omen--I don't care about your politics, but I do worry that you may be left to roam the streets unsupervised, as you could hurt yourself from failing to see things so obvious to the rest of us.
"I find it sad that you suffered so in Iraq and I could not stop this inhumane act against the Iraqi people."
You find it sad that I suffered? I didn't suffer in Iraq. I suffered everywhere I've been since then. Suffering fools, mostly.
The inhumane act of removing Saddam, Uday and Quesay? Of removing the Baath party, which had systemically been irradicating the Kurds and Sunni muslims?
"So, you have suffered deeply from this great lie and have been injured beyond belief. But why do you fail to realize that this war was started on a lie concocted by the evil heart of George Bush and his other idiots."
By other idiots, I assume you are referring to the other 435 duly-elected members of congress who authorized military action? Not to mention the Supreme court, who ruled that the law they passed authorizing said action was (and still is) constitutional? Have you met George Bush? Looked him in the eye, had a heart to heart, man-to-man talk with him? I have. There's no evil there.
"If you do some serious and honest research, this fact will burn deeper in your brain and you will stand proud with Chiroux. How can desertion against an illegal act be considered punishable by death? This is like deserting the Nazi party and being hung in the street for taking a stand against a dictatorship. Once a soldier has been honorably discharged he should not have to be subject to recall. He has suffered enough and this is a terrible law that was passed to keep people slaves to the Empire. Look how Bush has abandoned the veterans and their proper care. This is outrageous. Hail to Chiroux!"
Where to start? Once you do Nazi comparisons, you immediately forfeit legitimacy in any argument. No law was passed to effect stop-loss, it's been part of the enlistment contract since the draft ended.
Point me to honest and unbiased primary sources documenting the atrocities he claims to have second-hand knowledge of--if you can.
If a soldier fought on the beach at Normandy, then dropped his rifle and ran in the Bocage, wouldn't that be considered desertion? What if he fought on Belleau Wood, only to then declare that he would fight no more, forever in Berlin?
He signed an eight-year contract in 2003. He doesn't get to choose when he'll fight and when he won't after he put his mark on that paper. He knew when he was out-processed from the Army that he could be recalled at any time, up until the expiration of his contract.
Deserting the Nazi Party and staying in Germany would be colossally stupid and dangerous, and would likely result in some time in a Polish weight-loss center. If you desert, and denounce your government, the prudent thing to do is leave--assuming you are actually in a totalitarian dictatorship, like Nazi Germany, or, say, Iraq in 2003.
"He has suffered enough."
How, exactly, has he suffered? He served in Afghanistan, but was not wounded. He served in Europe and the Philippines. When did he suffer? When he heard unverified and undocumented stories from other people? Don't let him rent STRIPES, he'll get PTSD before the mud wrestling scene.
Desertion from an illegal act is honorable, and soldiers are expected to disobey unlawful and immoral orders. What you are saying, in effect, is that the 435,000 other soldiers are either willfully engaging in, or turning a blind eye to these alleged atrocities. Since people in the military come from all walks of life, does it make sense to you that there would be 435,000 sociopaths in the military, unable to tell right from wrong?
Hail to Chiroux? More like FAIL to Chiroux. Must be the French bloodline causing the yellow streak to darken.
Matt, I feel sorry for you, a simpleton who cannot see a coward in your midst, who will refuse to listen to logic and reason, because you can't stop chanting "Bush lied, People Died!" long enough to release the vapor lock between your ears.
Chiroux is a douchebag. Don't be his vinegar.
--Chuck
MjrC
Now that's what i call 'Rippen a new one'.
Sometimes i wish i had your way with words because i seem to lack that extra quality and professionalism in getting my opinion across. So i can only say -- 'Go Get'em Major!!!!'
Oooo-rah!!!!!
Chuck, I just stumbled by this blog.
Comment #10 is perfect brother.
Bookmarking.
Sorry, #11.
10 is great too.
Pope John Paul II declared the invasion of Iraq to be an unjust war.
Steve -- jeez, I hope that was supposed to be tongue in cheek...
as I posted at CJ's and Milblogs:
Chiroux says, "As an army journalist whose job it was to college and filter service members' stories, I heard many a stomach-churning testimony of the horrors and crimes taking place in Iraq."
I'm sure every soldier who committed an "atrocity" ran right to the nearest photojournalist to tell the story…. didn't know him, never met him before, an NCO… just opened up and confessed… yah
"stomach-churning testimony" — testimony is given under oath in a legal proceeding. what's written on the bathroom walls is graffiti.
and once again (ala Winter Soldier I and II) there is all the gnashing of teeth and rending of clothing about "horrors and crimes" but not a scintilla of evidence.
the only people who will be convinced by the "testimony" already had their minds made up before the first speaker spoke.
the only person Chiroux is fooling is himself.
Not in the least. It's true. John Paul II told Bush to his face the invasion of Iraq was not just. Why do you think Bush bent over backwards for the recent visit of Pope Benedict?
John Paul II told Bush to his face the invasion of Iraq was not just.
I don't believe he said it to his face - he sent a Cardinal to tell him that.
Although informed of the massive Nazi attacks of synagogues and Jewish business in on Kristallnacht 1938-NOV, Pope Pius XII issued no public criticism.
Although informed during 1940 to 1943 of Nazi atrocities in at least Austria, Lithuania, Poland, Spain, and the Ukraine, (including deportations to death camps) he made no public comments.
Pope Pius XII "...never explicitly spoke out against Hitler." Actually, this is in error. He did condemn Hitler in a speech to the College of Cardinals, one month *after* the war ended.
"He refused to join a resolution of the Allies condemning the Nazi crimes."
They never excommunicated any Nazi, although he did excommunicate some German Catholics who supported cremation as an alternative to burial.
In 1941 when asked about proposed anti-Jewish laws in Vichy France, Pius XII answered that the church condemned racism, but did not repudiate every rule against the Jews.
The Most Blessed Father Pope Benedict XII loved inflicting pain and turned his palace into a vast torture chamber “with irregular walls off which the screams and shrieks of prisoners bounced back and forth into silence.”
Clement VI “pillaged Cesena in 1377, where 4,000 anti-papal rebels were massacred.”
Pope Stephen IV (768-72) tore out the eyes of an antipope and was incredibly cruel. He is today venerated as a saint in parts of Sicily .
In the early thirteenth century the Church showed how it dealt with those who would not surrender to papal dogma during the so-called Albigensian Crusade, which devastated much of France in the process of theological cleansing.
Pope Sergius III deposed and imprisoned Pope Christopher (who had earlier deposed pope Leo V in 903), subsequently having him strangled to death.
Pope Boniface VI was involved in the death of Pope Forsus, and, in turn, was murdered by his successor, Stephen VI.
Pope Boniface VII “ordered the murder of his predecessor, Benedict VI.” He then imprisoned and presumably murdered former pope, John XIV. He in turn was murdered by a “vengeful Roman mob.”
Gregory I paid fulsome compliments to the most vicious and brutal rulers of the time -- Queen Brunichildis of Gaul and the Emperor Phocas -- when they promised to help the Church, and shockingly rejoiced in the murders of good men who opposed the Papacy.
More recently, the catholiv church ADMITS to:
the abuse committed by 4,392 priests against 10,667 children between 1950 and 2002:
--Priests in 95 percent of U.S. dioceses have been accused of abuse. Among them, one of every 10 priests ordained in 1970.
--Most allegations of abuse were never reported to police by bishops, and 95 percent of the priests were never charged with a crime.
--Nearly 30 percent of the victims were abused for two to four years, while an additional 10 percent were abused for up to nine years.
--Just 149 priests, serial pedophiles, abused 2,960, or 27 percent, of the children.
Oh, lets not forget their most current feat of taking priests with predilections for children and simply sending them elsewhere--to continue their molestation.
Yeah, I give two shits what the heat of that organization thinks is right or wrong.
Actually Brian, on June 4th 2004 Pope John Paul II told President George Bush the invasion of Iraq was not a just war.
"Asked about the pope's opposition to the invasion of Iraq, Mr. Bush replied: "Of course, he was a man of peace. And he didn't like war. And I fully understood that, and I appreciated the conversations I had with the Holy Father on the subject."
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/0...l2/
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Chuck, if the Pope is so evil, why did President Bush award Pope John Paul II the Medal of Freedom? Why did President Bush practically bend over backwards during the recent visit of Pope Benedict XVI?
If you want to talk about complicity with the Nazis you need look no further than Ford, GM or Prescott Bush.
You sound like one of those revisionist historians President Bush complained about. If it hadn't been for the Popes ordering Crusades the Muslims would have overrun Europe long ago.
I never said the pope was evil, I just don't think he's infallible.
Muhammad Ali (Cassius Clay) received the same medal, for changing his name and claiming to be a muslin so he didn't have to go to Vietnam.
Jack Nicklaus got one too--for being a good golfer, I suppose.
Other "distinguished" recipients include:
Mormon Church President Gordon B. Hinckley, actress Doris Day, golfer Arnold Palmer, cosmetics mogul Estee Lauder, actress Rita Moreno, Johnny Carson, Walter Wriston, CEO of Citicorp/Citibank, Julia Child,All first ladies since the Johnson administration (including lady bird, rosalyn, and hillary,David Brinkley, Gregory Peck, James Cagney, Kirk Douglas, Danny Kaye, Alfred Lunt, Frank Sinatra, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart (the only one who actually served in WWII),ACLU Founder Rodger Baldwin, Frank Reynolds (Anchorman), Waler Cronkite (defeatist and liar in chief of Tet), ad infinitum.
Although compared to the Medal of Honor, the Medal of freedom requires little more than a President to want to rub shoulders with someone, and is often bestowed on people for little more than being successful in their civilian occupations--and not necessarily for any form of philanthropy or civic service.
So the President gave pope JP 2 a medal. The pope still wears stupid hats and dresses like Elton John, and they still turn a relatively blind eye to pedophilia within the ranks of their spiritual leaders. I guess it's okay to be queer and catholic, as long as you wear the proper collar.
Actually Brian, on June 4th 2004 Pope John Paul II told President George Bush the invasion of Iraq was not a just war.
Steve, you need to run out and update Pope JP's wiki page - it's wrong.
If it hadn't been for the Popes ordering Crusades the Muslims would have overrun Europe long ago.
Ridding Europe of pesky Muslims had more to do with the events in Spain and Austria than the Holy Land Crusades.
Brian, show me otherwise. Your claim,
"I don't believe he said it to his face - he sent a Cardinal to tell him that". Is refuted by President Bush himself.
The Crusades were an early use of fighting them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them over here. Charles Martel was considered a defender of the faith by the Church in Rome. The Reconquista was financed in part by Rome and carried out by Catholic monarchs of Spain.
Brian, show me otherwise. Your claim,
I didn't say it wasn't. I was saying that you, Steve, should update John Paul's wiki page - it doesn't mention a face to face meeting. You're right, it's wrong.
Sort of - the page you cited could be ambiguous.
The Crusades were an early use of fighting them over there so we wouldn't have to fight them over here.
No, they weren't. The crusades are separated by two hundred years from Reconquista, three hundred from the Turkish expansion up the Danube.
All three were fought by different groups of people, with different motivations.
Well then, please educate me. Define who the groups were and their motivations. I think the events are related.
The battles of WWII were fought by different groups of people with different motivations.
MjrC
Amazing!!!
This conversation thread went for dumping on Matthis Chiroux being a 'Pussy' for not want to complete his contract to the US Army to Brain's rant on it not being a just war.
Now between Brain and Steve we are now off into the Reconquista, the Turkish expansion up the Danube and finially WWII with a request of 'Definition of who the groups were and their motivations'.
AMAZING !!! All because of a 'Pussy'
Hey Brain and Steve -- don't stop now i love a good history lesson.
And Matthis Cheroux is *still* a coward, a pussy, and a douchebag.
How cool is this:
If you google "matthis cheroux", this post is the #7 link to his name, and reads:
From my position... On the way!
"Good afternoon, my name is Sergeant Matthis Chiroux and I served as an army photo ... You, Matthis Chiroux, are a pussy. You are an asshat, a douchebag, ..."
Be sure to send your friends to google "matthis cheroux" and then click on the From my position link. With any luck, we can make it the #1 result for his name!
(Hey, it works if you google "touchy feely liberal retards democrats" comes up to an interview I did about valour-IT.)
It's up to #6 now!
The poor baby, he got recalled, well tough, he should have never signed on the dotted line.
If you are in the military, then you do as ordered, when ordered unless it is in direct violation of the law, like shooting an unarmed reporter.
If you do not like what the military is doing then don't enlist.
Dustoff,
Reporters carry pens, which, as we all know, are mightier than swords. Ergo, reporters are always armed.
Chuck
Well then, please educate me. Define who the groups were and their motivations. I think the events are related.
You can think what you will, but that does not mean you're correct.
However, I did some digging around.
The Reconquista took far longer than I recalled. Originally a local deal, it attracted a great deal of attention from the rest of Europe and financing from Rome.
Ditto fighting the Turk in front of Vienna.
I'd write more but I'm dragging ass. Worked over the weekend, interrupted sleep Monday and Tuesday from the on-call junior admins. I'm sleepy and tired and calling it a day.
See Brian, back in oldentimes the tubes of the interweb didn't exist! Shocking, I know. Communication and transportation were also a little slower back then. Back then they had the 100 Years War, today we have a 100 Day War.
So of the events are separated by hundreds of years but that doesn't mean they aren't related. The Moors and the Turks probably didn't coordinate their attacks. But Christendom had something approximating a unified command in the Vatican. Queen Isabella celebrated the recapture of Grenada by financing Columbus's voyage. The sails on his ships displayed the red Maltese Cross of the Crusaders. So the Moors arrived in Spain in the 700's, the Crusades were 1100-1200, Columbus 1492. This just in.....Rome was NOT built in a day.
I actually went to school with this guy at the Department of Defense Information School in 2003. He is an asshat, but he is perfectly entitled to an opinion. His work is average, but he's a MILITARY reporter. They don't give their journalists enough training to be award winning journalists...just journalists that can take a decent picture and write a decent story. And, just so you know, the army saves money on their journalists by cross training them both to write AND take photos, unlike their civilian counterparts. Most military journalists are extremely intellegent (not full of common sense) and I'd have to give him kudos for coming up with a way to get so much national attention. And as far as what he's seen or not seen, I'd assume you know less about that than he knows about the war in Iraq, regardless of whether or not he's been there. Once again, I do agree that he's an asshat, but I also think you're a fucking moron to judge him based of of what you've read off the internet. That makes you no better than him, regardless of how many tours in the sandbox you have.
oops..I can't spell intelligent...
And you, Brandon, are making assumptions about me based soleyo n what you've read on the internet, so what does that make you?
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