We Episcopalians in this diocese hope and believe that the business of the upcoming convention will proceed as planned. Worst case scenario? A group shows up to protest the installation of Bishop Lamb, which goes ahead as planned. Afterwards, who does Schofield to appeal to: Bishop Schori? Could end up being a skit on the old Carol Burnett show!
Yes, as long suspected, and as Fred, Dusty and others surmised, the Standing Committee "has issues".
Loyal to and among the "flat earth" sort, it would appear they actually don't believe Shofield left TEC, either, despite Venable's statement and Shofield's to the contrary.
This is one of those "we'll cover your back no matter what" sort of scenarios.
But gee, what did we expect? They are probably still sending mail to Columbus.
Thanks for the tips, we in Remain Episcopal have been hearing rumblings to this effect.
FYI, your description of a former standing committee member both resonates and piques the curiosity.
Will be watching further posts trying to guess which one of the two "candidates" for that honor you were profiling.
Ah, so there are two candidates? Why am I not surprised.
I need to protect the identity of those who shared these stories of abuse with me, so I've said about as much as I am at liberty to say. But, I have good reason to believe that the stories are accurate.
Best wishes, Lee:)
I forgot, dagnabbit!, to post a piece from Faux News, KMPH 26, on Shofield's Easter service including a priceless quote: "In the end, what really matters the most is not property, money, power but Jesus," said Schofield.
I would, thus, like him to respectfully return the keys to TEC since, apparently, it doesn't really matter to him. Not that he has not contradicted this very point not only in this article but dozens of others (I get them all). In this media piece, he states: "What the Episcopal Church decides to do has nothing to do with us. They would like to think they own the property but that is a matter of very serious legal question," said Schofield. Interesting reading for the standing committee which is not of so. cone extraction, apparently, but TEC... yet their Bish is so cone.
And yet another priceless quote: "I am not the rebel, in fact, I am the traditionalist. I stand for what the church has always stood for. It is the Episcopal Church that has introduced novelties into the faith," said Schofield. [emphasis mine]
Well now, as an (equal) woman, I have never heretofore been described as a "novelty".
linkie: http://www.kmph.com/Global/
story...av=menu612_2_10
The About page of the Standing Committee's website, says the following:
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The Diocese of San Joaquin is a part of the Episcopal Church in the United States of America. The diocesan office - the office of the bishop - is in Fresno, on the grounds of St. James Cathedral. The diocese currently stretches from just south of Sacramento, to the top of the Grapevine, south of Bakersfield; from west of I-5 including Coalinga and Los Banos, to the Nevada border.
This weblog is an offical part of the communications for and by the diocese. It is administered by the Rev. Robert Eaton, the Rector of St. John Parish in Tulare.
For further information on the diocese please view the diocesan website, at www.sjoaquin.net .
***
But if you click on the listed "diocesan website" link -- www.sjoaquin.net -- you are directed to the website of "The Diocese of San Joaquin: an Anglican diocese of the Province of the Southern Cone."
Does this consitute "Speaking with a Forked Tongue"?
dr. primrose: this has been the problem this whole time... THEY don't even know who they are... talk about an identity crisis:)
I guess they are sticking with shofield's initial description of himself as in TEC and So. Cone simultaneously (well until Venables said, oh no you're not!).
If they disrupt then call the cops and have their scrawny tucuses hauled outta there.
From the Book of Common Prayer
"For the Church
Gracious Father, we pray for they holy Catholic Church.
Fill it with all truth, in all truth with all peace.
Where it is corrupt, purify it;
where it is in error, direct it;
where in any thing it is amiss, reform it.
Where it is right, strengthen it;
where it is in want, provide for it;
where it is divided, reunite it;
for the sake of Jesus Christ thy Son our Savior. Amen."
It seems that if your Convention, under the direction of the bishop and Standing Committee, votes to leave TEC then your bishop and Standing Committee cease to be members in good standing in TEC.
From the Book of Common Prayer
"For our Enemies
O God, the Father of all, whose Son commanded us to love our enemies
Lead them and us from prejudice to truth:
deliver them and us from hatred, cruelty, and revenge;
and in your good time enable us all to stand reconciled before you,
through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."
Good on you, Jake!
And, in this regard, if I were to go on vacation for two weeks and be scarce for a while around here, though perhaps not entirely absent, I would hope that someone would be so kind as to tell folks that I am just fine.
From yours, Jake...
..."being nice" is not always the appropriate response, and can actually be detrimental to resolving some situations, I'm advocating for a rapid and strong response to such shenanigans..."
Easter Monday blessings,
If they disrupt then call the cops and have their scrawny tucuses hauled outta there.
Curtis | 03.24.08 - 5:59 pm | #
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Exactly, these overblown and deceptive bigots are not above the law...that would include venables and shofield.
Even at this point one wishes the Standing Committee would simply state that they accede to the Constitution and Canons of the Episcopal Church.
That they refuse to do this, and refuse simply to state that they are indeed Episcopalians, and members of an Episcopal Standing Committee, makes me quite uneasy concerning their motives.
Time to bring their discernment process to an end. It is difficult for me at this stage to take their irritating coyness as anything other than downright Machiavellian maneuvering.
Time to fish or cut bait.
Leonardo Ricardo | 03.24.08 - 6:38 pm |
My personal best squat ain't 860 lbs for nuttin'.
I think a couple hundred resurrected bodies could handle this situation just fine.
Yep, I'm going muscular on this one. Sorry, ladies. Arnold and my personal trainer know each other, personally.
All best,
So was there a vote by one of the churches not in remain episcopal to align with CANA instead of South America? I heard a rumor to the effect before hand, but didn't really know who to ask.
Bishop Schofield claims that "In the end, what really matters the most is not property, money, power but Jesus,"
So, whom do we believe?
The faithful Episcopalians who no longer can worship at their own churches, but are now meeting at community centers:
St. Rafael's Episcopal Church - Oakhurst at Oakhurst Community Center
Episcopal Faith Community of Madera, whose parish was closed and property sold by the Bishop
"Grace Episcopal - Bakersfield Faith Community" meeting in The Chapel - First Congregational Church
St. Nicholas Mission - Atwater
Temporary location: Atwater Community Center, whose priest was fired on Christmas day...
Or the Bishop, who holds on to property that does not belong to him???
Prove it. Walk away. Leave the buildings.
"Prove it. Walk away. Leave the buildings."
aghaveagh | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 7:14 pm |
Addendum to aghaveagh:
If we must, then yes, go ahead, be the new missionary diocese. However, I'd rather put my body where my mouth is. Fight the good fight. There's a hymn that goes something like that, and the millworkers in New England still sing it.
Blessings,
Do you think some Highly Opinionated Priest, formerly from SJ, presently in Indiana, might show up to help with his patented Self Righteous interfering?
Rev. Hankins, have you considered, oh, never mind.
Be prepared, folks.
Your supporter in Panamá.
Padre Mickey | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 7:36 pm |
What? Name it, please.
Blessings,
Rev. Hankins,
I meant: John-David, prove it.
(The faithful in San Joaquin already have.)
"Be prepared, folks."
Thanks, Padre Mickey, we will.
Numquam non paratus is our motto!
My brother, you seem to share everything that pops into your head.
It never hurts to self edit. I have to do it all the time.
We don't need to know how many pounds you can squat.
I'm off to dinner; not important news, but the reason you won't receive a response if you respond to this comment.
Bendiciones.
Not to put a fly in this ointment, but exactly by what canonical authority does our Presiding Bishop call, and preside at, a Special Convention of a diocese? Normally, when there is no bishop, the Standing Committee is the Ecclesiastical Authority. In the absence of a valid Standing Committee, though, what happens? I'm not sure myself, I just find it a little odd that the person who Presides at meetings of the House of Bishops thus has the canonical power to simply step into a deposed bishop's shoes. Anyone enlighten me?
Hi,
Security has been secured and will be on the grounds. In addition, the PD have been notified that a convention is going on and that if we need help we will call them. No one will get in to the convention without approved credentials. The credentials committee is well aware of what constitutes "approved credentials".
A old friend of mine used to say, "it is free to get in but you pay to get out." Maybe xJDS and the xSC can cogitate on that for a while. And should they be reading this, it would be a serious miscalculation to mistake our kindness for weakness.
susan s.
It is my understanding that St. Paul's in Modesto,CA has decided to go elsewhere, CANA is what I heard but it is defintiely not with xJDS.
Thanks, Fred.
Fred Schwartz | 03.24.08 - 8:16 pm |
Glad you checked in. Thanks.
And should they be reading this, it would be a serious miscalculation to mistake our kindness for weakness.
Fred Schwartz | 03.24.08 - 8:16 pm | #
Yes, it only tooketh me about 35 years to figure outeth that GOD expected me to gain on courage and personal wisdom at the same time!
Some "miscalculations" are sometimes, shall we say, more *daunting*, than some of the other egodriven/steamrolling personality disordered driven stupidities that can appear beforeth us.
I speaketh from me owneth experienth (and I don't speak Spanish or English with a lisp as it turns out)!
Thanks Fred! Happy Easter!
Clear the decks!
Happy Landing to The EpiscopalChurch Diocese of San Joaquin...WE LOVETH YOUETH (and Presiding Bishop Schori and Bishop Lamb tooeth)!
On the other hand, the thought of a priest squatting 860# makes me wonder - does the collar come flying off? Or does S.H. just order his collars in "ginormous" size? Being frivolous here...
NancyP | 03.24.08 - 8:50 pm |
860 must be in a supplement (creatine). I don't have it. Can you sing it for us?
Blessings,
Bishop John Howe, a faithful Windsor bishop, has notified the lawyer bishops in the HoB that, according to his reading of the canons, there was not a sufficient number of bishops attending the Camp Allen meeting to depose Bishops Cox and Schofield. Although his protests would have been more credible had they been voiced during the March 12 HoB meeting, Bishop Howe may have a point, earlier precedents notwithstanding. Why are the lawyer bishops silent? The lawyer bishops definitely include the chair of the Review Committee and several other outstanding bishops. Wouldn't it behoove PB Jefferts Schori to exercise due diligence rather than appear to act in haste to depose someone of advanced age as Bishop Bill Cox, which makes her look extremely vengeful? I am sure that, in the case of Bishop Cox, a reprimand by the HoB would have appeared less vindictive and more charitable.
squatting 860#
There really ought be a nicer word for that particularly horrid exercise (the one I despise most of the entire collection of exercises that are designed to help you keep *things* from going South..well, until you stop doing them)use your head SH...I know personally (as my formerly well-gym-muscled bod sinks into Lake Titicaca)!
Rev. Hankins,
While eating dinner I thought about my comment and I apologise. You can share you shoe size if you want, I was out of line.
What I wanted to suggest you consider is the chat room. Have you checked it out yet? One receives immediate responses if anyone is in there.
Ciao.
As to this: "The Standing Committee, within a couple of weeks after the December election, were made aware through a variety of channels of communication that there were congregations and clergy who would not be going along to the Southern Cone Province, AND there were congregations and there were clergy who were already or who would be “in discernment” about the matter. If you are going to take action and include all players, plans cannot nor should not be made until everyone who is on board gets on board."
Looks to me like they did not take their own advice and have completely missed both the SoCone bus and the Episcopal bus. Their assertion that Schofield is not deposed is ridiculous and just a fence-sitting tactic.
If there is a church that has decided to join the onerous CANA, they really need our prayers. I hope all the "wimmin" are taking up knitting, baking and polishing the silver. Nothing like loving being abused by your captors.
As to Mark Harris's article. In the third paragraph where it says: "HERE, HERE AND HERE." If you click the first HERE there is a good explanation of what constitutes a quorum. If this is correct the HoB had a very comfortable majority when they deposed Schofield.
Love, hugs, prayers and best wishes for your success SanJoaquinians!
Leonardo Ricardo | 03.24.08 - 8:56 pm |
Thanks, Ricardo. You'll pardon me if I continue to use my body as well as my head? I've worked very hard to get to this place. Pray for us (DiocSJ)? Over and out now, for about two weeks.
In the end, this is all that matters:
"For God so loved the *world* that he gave his only begotten Son, to the end that all that believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
http://fineartamerica.com/featur...i-
fielding.html
The Living Church has posted an article San Joaquin Special Convention May Violate Canon Law.
According to the article:
The Rev. James Snell, rector of St. Columba Church, Frenso [SIC], Calif., and president of the standing committee in the Diocese of San Joaquin, said he is concerned that Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori and the Rt. Rev. Jerry Lamb, retired Bishop of Northern California, may be violating canon law and may be liable for presentment if they make good on plans to convene a special convention scheduled to be held at St. John-the-Baptist Church in Lodi on March 29.
“It’s one thing for her not to ‘recognize’ us,” Fr. Snell said. “Acting contrary to the canons of this diocese and of The Episcopal Church is another matter. The Presiding Bishop is not the ecclesiastical authority of this diocese and the canons of this diocese and the national church do not grant her the authority to call a diocesan convention or nominate someone for election as bishop.”
dr.primrose | 03.24.08 - 9:22 pm |
...unless, of course, it is a new missionary diocese...
blessings,
Bishop John Howe is such a busy, busy camp-allener...I bet the poor dear rolls around in his buck bed all noche trying to think of lumpy stuff to DUMP in everyone elses path and bed...just what kinda "path" does that make him? So many choices but it seems he'll do ANYTHING for negative attention (and has for decades) and grandstanding while attempting to "work" both sides of the nave.
Does the Living Church tell us at what volume Jim delivered that threat?
I suppose it doesn't really matter. Even if he was screaming at the top of his lungs, for some reason I doubt even his best bluster will reduce Katharine or Jerry to tears.
I just canceled my subscription to "The Living Church" a few weeks ago.
FWIW
We are going to move forward with all diliberate speed. Bishop Howe and Father Snell and xJDS and everyone else can come or go and can sue or not and can do whatever it is that southern coneheads do (Do I hear a landshark at the door?). My rector of several years shared with me the following: "the boulders in the road will only slow you down if you pick them up. If they do not belong to you do not pick them up." I believe that Fr. Mac would say that to xJDS now as he would have then. Let us not be intimidated by all this bluster. I just hate (well, okay dislike,) people who threaten. If you are going to do something just do it but please do not threaten me.
PS. that is the Marine in me, I do not let him out very often, but every once in a while, it just happens.
Scott,
If that pic is you it is time to fix your glasses.
PS. that is the Marine in me, I do not let him out very often, but every once in a while, it just happens.
Fred Schwartz | 03.24.08 - 10:47 pm | #
Dear Fred,
I'm glad the Marines are on "duty"...older ones, younger ones, whatever it takes.
You know, I fully agree with your rector...we've spent countless years/hours/money cleaning up after these destructive people and while keeping healthy spiritually and "reviewing" our OWN character/behavior...nothing worse than a virgin, yet rusty, defective shock absorber that is so poorly constructed it can't survive hitting a bump.
Defective goods aren't only made in factories.
Re: Living Church article. So that's the name of the culprit, no surprise there!
Sorry to toot my own horn here and probably say too much, but I was the recipient of some intense anger from that rector, am a woman, but I didn't cry.
That said, I'm betting on our delightfully strong Katharine.
Jake | Homepage | 03.24.08 - 5:00 pm |
The stories are accurate. TRUST ME!
I really don't know what to think of Bishop Howe.
I do know that quite a few of the problems here in Central Florida have been caused by an out of control Standing Committee bulldozing their convictions through the Diocese, threatening the Bishop, and other dark deeds one could hardly call Christian behavior.
These people stack the deck at elections, so that they never get voted off.
I really don't understand why they can get away with these behaviors unchecked?
My personal best squat ain't 860 lbs for nuttin'.
Holy Cr*p! I thought I'd gotten all strong&stuff, because I could squat my body-weight (which I'm not gonna tell you ;-/)
[Sorry for continuing this off-topic conversation---but geez, 860 lbs! :-0]
Okay, so Bp Schofield left TEC, and resigned, and was deposed, but his supporters say he is still Bp.
And the standing committee voted to leave, but now claim they didn't, and instead of acting like the abandoned SC of an abandoned diocese, they are snarling that they are in charge but not under TEC authority.
This is all very Lewis carroll, don't you think?
'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a
scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean --
neither more nor less.'
'The question is,' said Alice, 'whether you can make
words mean so many different things.'
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to
be master -- that's all.'
IT
Well stated, IT. I think you are the very one to match wits with the Rev. Snell.
This will not be decided by the Rev. Snell. This will not be decided by the Living Church.
Thanks be to God.
Squat on, y'all. Muscles are good -- and so too are beautiful, aging men (and women) with "things heading south."
Back on topic, I'm glad to see our San Joaquin brothers and sisters so completely filled with faith and determination. It can't be easy dealing with misogynists, hysterics, homophobes and persons of deep dishonesty, and dealing with them over and over and over again, but somehow the faithful of the Episcopal Diocese of S.J. are up for it -- and for that strong and ready spirit, I give thanks.
Okay, on the count of three, everyone take a deep breath. One, two, three -- aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Now, we should all feel a little better. At this point, worrying about who is going to do what is merely an exercise in jumping to conclusions. It is great exercise but does not really help. Keep in mind that TEC did not cause this rift, Coneheads did. We are the continuing presence and in order to continue we must have a convention. Much as xJDS thinks we left, he left and he now knows it. The problem for "them", is they are now (arguably) receiving sacraments from clergy that have been defrocked/deposed. If I were a layperson in that group (thank God I am not!) I would be very, very worried). So, let'e let them worry for a while and we celebrate the new life in the Episcopal Dicoese of San Joaquin. We are going to have a good convention and, for a change, a good time at convention. This is guaranteed to be a spiritual wowser!
With the inclusive love of Christ in our hearts, there is no way that we, as an Episcopal diocese, will fail.
Keep praying for us Fr. Jake...
Amen, Leslie.
Ah, but I don't enjoy yelling, Beryl. My style is to smile sweetly and ask "are you done yet?"
:-)
IT
I am soooo past their shenanigans,rhetoric and such,I think a few weeks back, Fr Jake had a comment on "Bullying" Can we agree that this tactic falls into the same category? As I have spoken to many folks tonight in the EDioSJ, we have crossed the bridge, and not going to fall into that trap of inuendo and threat any longer. As our illustrious Gov might say "Hasta la Vista Baby".
Time to move on and past,look to the Lord for guidance and stregnth and praise him for all things beautiful and good. We indiviually may have lost parishes,rectors and such, but we never lost our faith, it only increased our resolve in Christ.
Concerning the story in The Living Church.
The Living Church has become a self-parody and has been so for years.
One of my all-time favorite Church stories is one told to me by one of the great bishops of the Church (now unfortunately deceased) on himself. He was preaching one Sunday on sin and intended to end his sermon with a great rhetorical flourish by quoting Hebrews 10:31. He got a bit a bit flustered, however, and in a great Freudian misquotation, ended his sermon by theatrically proclaiming:
"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Church."
dr.primrose
cany | 03.24.08 - 5:11 pm |
I learned long ago that you don’t want to get on the bad side of someone that buys ink by the barrel. I think we must accept the fact that Orosco and The Fresno Bee are advocates of Schofield. Now I guess we can add to that list KMPH FOX 26. There is nothing we will be able to do to change that relationship. So why beat ourselves up trying? The really sad part is Schofield has demonized TEC and is furnishing information that is not correct. The Episcopal Church lost its ability to communicate with its members and the general public in a truthful and open way the day Schofield arrived decades ago.
I have complained to the media sources that have endorsed the misinformation of Schofield for some time now. A few weeks ago a member of the news team from KMPH FOX 26 contacted me and we entered dialog.
He said, “Well didn’t TEC leave the San Joaquin Valley?” I said no, Schofield left TEC. Wasn’t this over the Robinson issue? I said how could it be, it’s been going on for 20 years and the Robinson issue is not that old. Then he asked what’s it all about then? If there is another side, we want to report on it in depth. I told him this affects less then 2% of the church.
I implied there is a conspiracy on the part of many to destroy and take over the TEC. He was filled with questions about this angle. I referred him to 815 New York and he said he tried with no reply; he said he was going to send a news crew there. I asked if he would let me see if I can get you a more credible source of information if he was sincerely interested. He said he really was, this was all very new to him.
I contacted Fr. Jake and he assisted me in getting in touch with people that can successfully manage a media opportunity like this. So far this reporter has not contacted the source I gave him. So much for being sincerely interested and in depth reporting! I guess he belongs to Schofield.
After giving this a lot of thought, I realized we need an advocate like Schofield has. We need someone in the media that would represent the truth. It would be great if this person was a member of the Episcopal Church as well. We must remember Schofield has made himself a world figure so he will get the attention of the press when he wants it. No wonder the press follows him around like a puppy dog. Schofield has demonized and filtered information from the Episcopal Church from the day he arrived to this point. The members and the media don’t really recognize what the real Episcopal Church is all about.
We need a world figure also. I jokingly say Bishop Tu Tu would work for openers. But I’m serious. Now where do we find these people?
We all need to think about whom we know and how we can build relations with high profile individuals. I don’t think the provisional Bishop works “yet” since he is not a world figure plus he is far removed from the San Joaquin Valley news center in Fresno. Because of this, we can expect to see Schofield often.
Dusty,
My friend, it is not truly about who has the better media savvy person or who has the better story. Ulitmately, the ywill know we are Christians by our love. Jesus said, "if you do this to the least of my brethren then you do it to me." Let's not be distracted by what "they do" but let's be about what we do. We have something great going on, and it will go on! We live in this world but we are not of this world. -xJDS is yesterday's news. On Friday, we will begin to make our own news and our diocese will come back to life. It is Easter time and we in this diocese will demonstrate what resurrection looks like. We will show the rest of the country and the Anglican community throughout the world what new life in Christ looks like. Do not depair, we are almost there, hang on for just a little while longer.
I know we need to have faith but I'm really worried about what could happen. People have been saying these men, and of course it's always men, are horrible and I'm pretty sure they won't stop at anything including even violence. There's been too many church shootings and other crimes and I wouldn't put it past these bigots and thieves because they hate and fear the church and her people and everything she stands for, that's what the events have showed everyone. I can't even read any of their websites because they make me literally sick in my stomach. I'm praying that there'll be holy protection for all the faithful Episcopalians who are sharing themselves in the work of healing, even if horrible violence is in the hearts of the men who are trying to steal and destroy everything from God's children. Please above all be careful, in fact we all need to be careful these days when so much hate is around trying to destroy the church.
Fred Schwartz | 03.25.08 - 2:23 am |
I’m afraid you misread my message again. I’m not in despair, I was commenting on another person’s reaction to a KMPH FOX 26 presentation. Maybe you overlooked that earlier comment.
I don’t know what your expertise are but my main strong card is in Marketing and Public Relations and I tend to think in those terms. There is no question that we are about remarketing TEC in the San Joaquin Valley. Additionally there is no question that our Public Image has been damaged by the demonizing misinformation of Schofield.
It is true that as we go about being who we are, we will change that damaged image. What’s wrong with additional support? It can’t hurt.
Schofield talks of litigation to reclaim property. Why doesn’t someone ask him what we might do with the property when we get it back? The truth would surprise the viewer I’m sure. They probably think we would sell it. What a shock it might be for them to learn we’ll GIVE it BACK to displaced members of TEC. The rightful occupants.
Please let's not allow the fear that has clouded EDioSJ for many years to continue. This is purposeful on the old SC's part. They have been deafly silent for weeks, and just before our convention, they choose to start imparting fear into us again. We all have been looking forward to this day, closure and resurrection.
There will be plenty of security, a tight check in process and we can then get down to business. Fr Snell can spin all he wants, the reality is they failed miserably in their role, before convention, during, and most certainly after. The SC was asked to declare themselves by the PB, and they couldn't do that either,to my knowledge they didn't meet with Cn Moore, so now that we have moved on,they are whinning.They didn't seem so concerned about canonical process in December.If they do show up,lets show them how a convention should truly exemplify, loving Christ,each and every one and that integrity is upholding vows and commitment, not fence sitting waiting for an opportunistic moment to self glorify. sap b
I seem to remember that the former bishop also removed 6 members of the Standing Committee this year.
How can they claim to be the legitimate SC if both the former bishop and nation church don't accept their status?
Dusty,
Yep, I misread your words. Actually, I misinterpreted based on how I heard the words in my head, not necesarily how you wrote them. My apologies. And I was certainly not questioning your motives or expertise. I agree with everything you have written in terms of media work. If you can bring the media to the table then that would be great. I was merely stating the fact when the covnention occurs, the media will be there and then we can "bend their ear". I also beleive that +Lamb will be a very adequate spokesperson when he is seated. I believe he is already scheduled for a press conference on Saturday afternoon.
Once again Dusty, no harm intended. Sorry for the wrong interpretation.
Here is a little Credence Clearwater for this Tuesday mornin. Seems to fit.:
Theres a place up ahead and Im goin just as fast as my feet can fly
Come away, come away if youre goin, leave the sinkin ship behind.
Chorus:
Come on the risin wind, were goin up around the bend.
Ooh!
Bring a song and a smile for the banjo, better get while the gettins good,
Hitch a ride to the end of the highway where the neons turn to wood.
Chorus
Oooh!
You can ponder perpetual motion, fix your mind on a crystal day,
Always time for a good conversation, theres an ear for what you say.
Chorus
Yeah!
Oooh!
Catch a ride to the end of the highway and well meet by the big red tree,
Theres a place up ahead and Im goin, come along, come along with me.
Chorus
Yeah!
Do do doo do...
A bucket of ice water poured directly over the head will surely put out any fires of the tongue that might errupt on the floor of the Convention of the Diocese of San Joaquin....after all, these people are all washed up anyway!
sapb | 03.25.08 - 8:55 am |
You are absolutely correct. They (SC) have had plenty of time to come forward or work in the background to do something positive. This is truly a case where actions speak louder then words. Increasing numbers of Snell’s congregation are leaving for other parts. Many that remain are not all that happy either. I’m not surprised he tells members of his congregation when they ask questions, we’ll talk about that later. You must remember he was HAND PICKED by Schofield. It’s no wonder he spews his same brand of oppression.
Over the years he has done nothing but kiss up to Schofield. I’m told by one of his former members that on a visit by Schofield, he replaced the girl Acolytes with boys. What kind of a message does this send to these young impressionable children of God? Certainly not inclusivity. Fear not the blossoms of spring and new life are all around us. So what if we hit a pot hole in the road, we’ll just fix it later.
They condemn us for not following the Cannons. I’m sorry but isn’t that lthe kettle calling the pot black?
Saltzburg,
well, a bucket of ice water saved Elphaba's soul, but that was fiction (-: so I wouldn't hold out much hope for that in this instance.
Fred Schwartz | 03.25.08 - 9:43 am |
Don’t worry, I’m OK.
These misunderstandings simply exemplify the limitations of this one dimensional communications media. Good communications involves all of our body senses; most of which are not present here.
Okay,
Here is a little ditty, may be over the top (slightly) but it is a good pick me up leading into Friday.
Ive paid my dues -
Time after time -
Ive done my sentence
But committed no crime -
And bad mistakes
Ive made a few
Ive had my share of sand kicked in my face -
But Ive come through
We are the champions - my friends
And well keep on fighting - till the end -
We are the champions -
We are the champions
No time for losers
cause we are the champions - of the world -
Ive taken my bows
And my curtain calls -
You brought me fame and fortuen and everything that goes with it -
I thank you all -
But its been no bed of roses
No pleasure cruise -
I consider it a challenge before the whole human race -
And I aint gonna lose -
We are the champions - my friends
And well keep on fighting - till the end -
We are the champions -
We are the champions
No time for losers
cause we are the champions - of the world -
Thanks to Queen and Freddie Mercury
(I thought it might be a smidgen over the top, but well worth it for us San Joaquin'ers.)
Fred, I like your song. And it beats the heck as a symbol for this week out of that other CCR song that describes the "bad old days" in the DSJ (something about being stuck in Lodi again - although I do like that song too).
As to the PB's authority to call a special convention. There is the argument, already seen in the blogosphere, that the TEC C&C in fact invests each further subset of the General Convention, down to the PB as Chair of the EC, to act on behalf of the next larger group.
But here's another angle I came across this morning reading through back issues of the _New Yorker_. In the presidential election of 1800, the electors pledged to the Jefferson-Burr ticket messed up and cast the same number of votes for J and B (in those early days, the VP was the person who was runner up for the presidency, so this little nicety was of some significance). With a tie, albeit a tie between two men from the same party, the election was thrown into the House--the old House, of the preceding Congress, which was controlled by the Federalists. Having lost the election, the Federalists were in no hurry to pick between the candidates of the opposing party.
The situation looked as though it might go on forever. Jefferson turned to his fellow Virginian, James Madison (the one who wasn't a bishop and president of William and Mary) for advice. And Madison advised Jefferson to go ahead and convene the _new_ House to resolve the "disputed" election. The matter got resolved without TJ having to do so: but (if my source has it right) even the principal author of the Constitution recognized that sometimes people create such a threat to the idea of the Constitution that an extraordinary solution must be found. Not a philosophy I would want to see applied very freely, but nonetheless one with a respectable pedigree.
4May1535+
I am away from my reference material but old TJ had a quote that said that a little revolution every now and again was a good thing.
something on the order of:
the tree of liberty must be watered by the blood of revolution every twenty or so years
Thanks, left coast lee, that is it. I found another song that might be helpful for this thread: Noel Paul Stookey wrote this:
"In the beginning, as life becameform,
The oceans heaved,the mountains were cleaved, The firmament stormed.
At the center of being,immensely small
Was the master of now, don't ask me how The Love of it all
And the seasons were many.
Creation was new.
And there on a tree (deceptively free)
A forbidden fruit
Upon leaving the garden, after the fall, One thing was clear; we chose not to hear
The Love of it all
But for the Love of it all
I would go anywhere. To the ends of the earth, What is it worth if Love would be there? Walking the thin line between fear and the call
One learns to bend and finally depend
On the Love of it all "Irresistible targets" I heard someone say.
They were speaking of angels
Who are so courageous day after day
Gunned down on a highway (as we often recall) I hear a scream; I have a dream The Love of it all
Still the world is in labor,
She groans in travail.
She cries with the eagle, the dolphin,
She sighs in the song of the whale.
While the heart of her people
Prays at the wall.
A spirit inside is preparing a bride
For the Love of it all
For the Love of it all,
Like the stars and the sun,
We are hearts on the rise,
Separate eyes with the vision of one.
No valley too deep, no mountain too tall,
We can turn back the night with merely the light
From the Love of it all.
And so we are marching to 'to give peace a chance'
Brother and sister as one in this mystery dance.
Long ago on a hilltop where now the curious crawl
A man on a cross paid the ultimate cost
For the Love of it all
For the Love of it all
We are gathered by grace
We have followed our hearts
To take up our parts
In this time and place.
Hands for the harvest,
Hear the centuries call:
It is still not too late to come celebrate
The Love of it all
"Eli, eli, lemana shabakthani"
The Love of it all"
I suggest this become our unofficial theme song. (I dislike official stuff).
Mr. Schofield isn't a bishop any longer. He has been defrocked by the Church that ordained him to ministry.
Schofield rewarded his loyalty. His house on W Mesa sits on a lot that is nearly 12,000 sq feet. 4 br/2.5 ba w/big, big pool. I imagine that if greed is the motivator and the material self feels threatened, it's not such a leap from "+" to bully and from bully to malignant, malevolent blight. Replacing a few Acolytes and causing a few tears doesn't begin to describe his range.
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