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ZIONISTS BENEFIT FROM LEBANON'S SORROW. THEIR FOREIGN POLICY IS "TARGETED ASSASSINATION"
Fisk forgot to mention that Pres hopeful Gen Suleiman and the latest assassinated politico in Lebanon, El Hajj, were HATED by Israel and were considered PRO-Syria, not anti-Syria. Both were condemned by IDF as aiding Hezbollah in 2006 War and for letting weapons into Leb through Syria. Low-integrity Fisk omits that both these men are viewed as pro-Hezbollah. Fisk also omitted that this isnt the first attempt by Israel to kill El Hajj--- Israel blew up Haj's car in 1976 in southern Lebanon after he refused to cooperate with Israel's xtian proxies there, the Phalange christian militia behind the later Sabra-Chatilla massacres.
This guy Fusk is easy to predict. If a pothole was discovered on Mars, it must be a Syrian act.
He never admits to his deep relationship with the Maronites or to the fact the he never, ever, offered any proof of Syrian involvement.
He is really sickening.
@Fisk corp sellout thanks for the analysis that makes sense
The Zionists did it a little birdie told me so.
Interesting how Mr. Fisk does not name the very obvious suspect, Israel but instead says Syria accused Israel. Also, why is General El-Hajj an obvious target of Syria or Iran?
Behold! Robert Fisk.
Doom and gloom dispatches every two or more weeks!
Otherwise can be found having expensive dinners in expensive eateries with expensive people.
(I don't think I recall Fisk ever reporting anything other than the negative colonial outlook about Arabs. And I can clearly see why he is where he is... Geographically and otherwise.
Sigh.)
If you want to know the Fisk motive read some of his stuff about the Hariri clan. Fisk is really very close to the clan, to that point that when Fisk was bashed in Afghanistan, Harriri (the father) was the first to call and offer a ride home on his private jet.
Another fact about AL-hajj, is that he was the one who led the operation against the Lebanese forces (Ga'ga) during the civil war and he was the one who fought the Wahabis in the north of Lebanon in 2000. This guy is as pro-syrian as they get.
What ever conspiracy that people may come up with, its hard to believe that the Syrians will kill the people that it itself built up in Lebanon over 15 long years.
Israel’s second attempt to assassinate Brigadier-General Francois Hajj was successful
Al-Hajj survived the first attempt in 1976, when the Israeli bombed his car after he refused to join Israeli-backed Lahad militias, the so-called [South Lebanon Army] to fight against the Lebanese army.
Last year, 2006 Israeli aggression against Lebanon, Israel threatened Hajj with assassination.
Al-Hajj was the second candidate for the presidency in Lebanon in case Army Commander General Michel Suleiman withdraw as the first candidate [Al-Hayat reported that Suleiman thinking of withdrawal yesterday]
http://www.roadstoiraq.com/2007/...was-successful/
In addition to the accurate comments by "Fisk corp sellout" and "atheo", in the late 80's, Francois Hajj was fighting along Army General Michel Aoun against Samir Geagea's Lebanese Forces. Recently, Samir Geagea had proposed that the Lebanese Army change its doctrine, meaning that Israel would no longer be considered an enemy state.
General Michel Suleiman who is friendly with Syria and Hizballah, was expected to be elected the new President of Lebanon. If that were to happen, Army Brig. Gen. Francois Hajj would have been next in line to lead the Lebanese Army.
The Lebanese authorities have arrested four suspects and the plate number of the BMW that had the explosives, had previously been registered by the three suspects. The army is handling the investigation.
Doesn't Fisk read his local news at all? His report is so distorted.
Will be an interesting on eto keep an eye on!
Even had there not been an ongoing campaign to destabilise Lebanon by Zionist(Mossad/CIA forces), convenient enough too for the NWO crowd who always like chaos, then this General, the Butcher of Nahr El Bared, had many enemies who would want him dead a great deal more than Syria.
Palestinians and Al Qaeda to name but two.
As condeleeza rice once said to the world, "The Middle East is going through its birth pangs". What she meant was, we are going to give the Middle East forced labour.
Israel and the US will never allow anyone to stand in their way of brutaly reshaping the Middle East in order to control the supply of oil that feeds their military industrial complex.
They will stop nothing short of annihilating the entire world.
This is just the beginning of the carnage and destruction in the Middle East I am afraid.
@Veronica | 12.13.07 - 6:01 pm | #, writes in part:
--Doesn't Fisk read his local news at
--all?
Apparently not. It would also help if he knew Arabic; as he admits he does not by repeatedly writing about traveling with his interpreter.
If I were Fisk, I would be ashamed to keep dropping the, "I've been reporting from the Near East for over 30 years" shtick while not knowing/learning Arabic after all this time.
But times are such -- White Colonial Man can exist, justify his work, earn lots of money, write fiction filled books and present them as factual and truthful, of a place and people who he knows not after 30 years of living among them.
--His report is so distorted.
As most all of his reportage has been as long as I can remember.
You know this is the great danger that I've seen over the years of following Fisk's reporting. There are so many people (old and new readers) who worship the man and his writing.
It just lets me reassert my belief in how little they know of the Near East to think that Fisk's reporting is truthful and factual. And it also lets me know what a hopeless cause it is to think that there are not "bigoted, colonial minded" people, like Fisk, amongst us in 2007.
Hamish you got it wrong about Fisky's lack of Arabic. I spoke to him in Sydney in 2006 and he understood every swear word, but sadly not much else. Well, he knew the basic “hellos”, “thanks”, “how are you” etc. Then I was still a real fan of Fisk and I thought he faked his lack of understanding as a joke. Reflecting back to few articles in which he dropped few transliterated Arabic sentences, Fisky certainly does not speak the language. Pity Fisk. He blew all his hard work. Yet, I still admire his earlier work and we should always give him credit for that. Now I wish he could just shut the fuck up.
@Beiruti,
I'm afraid I would have to disagree with you on Fisk about making the distinction between his "before" and "after" writing.
When I was as AUB I witnessed somethings with my own eyes that were reported by Fisk . Nothing but nothing he said ever fit what I saw or read from other sources. I was never able to reconcile Fisk's verbiage with anything other than a (politely speaking) colonial overlord. As far as I am concerned Fisk is in the Near East for purposes other than a reporter.
But, I do not mean to negate your understanding and appreciation of his earlier versus current writing. Perhaps, over time, you may realize that his "earlier" work was just as bogus as his current output -- who knows...
In the meantime, I got a real chuckle out of your post... Thanks for that!!!
Hamish Brown | 12.13.07 - 7:34 pm |
One has to be completely out of touch with the news and his surroundings to not know what happened.
Yes, one would think that Fisk would be ashamed to repeat the many years he has lived in the Near East and does not speak Arabic. It has been my observation that often citizens of colonial empires, especially English speakers, can live in other countries many years and never attempt to learn the local language. They actually expect the locals to speak English. Yet, these are the very same people who complain about "foreigners" in their countries for not speaking English. In a sense, this is the colonial mentality.
I think that the reason "so many people (old and new readers) ... worship the man and his writing" is that he says few nice things that appeal to them and wraps them with distortions, falsehoods and double talk. Also, his writing style is that of a story teller. He sets the scene, the correct character names, his visits to the best and expensive hotels and restaurants with VIP contacts, view of the sea from his balcony, his driver and interpreter, the streets - loves to mention Corniche - and so on. Then, he builds his distorted story around these. The doom and gloom are added for suspense and there has to be a villain in his story, such as Syria or Iran.
There is no doubt there are too many "bigoted, colonial minded" people. They take pride in their genocidal colonial empires and feel superior over the innocent people they exploited, dominated and subjugated.
Your comment, "I am concerned Fisk is in the Near East for purposes other than a reporter" is interesting. You might be correct. What do you think Fisk's purpose is? Is he a spy? After all, Lebanon has been known to be the center for spies of the West and Israel.
Hamish Brown,
To add to my comment about Fisk possibly being a spy, I recall an article he had written a while back where he was revealing the locations of secret underground tunnels where Hizballah was supposedly hiding. At the time, I thought that was very strange to reveal secret information of Lebanon's Resistance Force when Israel had just destroyed the country, killed over a thousand and scattered millions of cluster bombs.
shame on your zion ugly face "fisk".
Hi fellas
I honestly believe you are getting the wrong end of Bob. My impresion is that he is genuinelly concerned about Lebanon things and the ME globaly, but that in a manner not disimilar to good ol Choms, he has a lot of cultural baggage he has not been able to get over, and this distort his view and reporting.
In short, I think bob is an honest, if flawed, reporter. Once you know his weakneses you can eassily work around them
It's spelled Syria, but it's pronounced Mossad
When will Fisk predict his own death by his usual suspects afterwards not fail to mention MI5 Shin Beth and the CIA?
Fisk authentication is always this cheap condescending false sense of :
When I had dinner with Mr Jumblatt, scenario - typical British propaganda.
Here's Israel warning to would-be cross overs Quote, Fisk: It seems, therefore, that Lebanese politics are changing once again and that those who were enemies of the Syrians are no longer necessarily so.i.e Marwan Hamadi,Information Minister Ghazi Aridi,Walid Jumblatt & General Suleiman.
Is Fisk warning or threatening? you tell me!
The toughest problem the world is facing is "the disinformation phenomenon" that has been successfully created by Zionists and their allies. Zionists' tentacles are controlling every aspect of the media -- overtly and covertly. How can Syria assassinate a friend (and an enemy of Israel), who is likely to be the next head of the Lebanese army after General Suleiman assumes the role of the presidency of Lebanon?
Are we to believe that zionists are the only violent influence on the scene, and that all other influences are docile makers of peace who would transform the world into a place of blissful love and harmony, if only that other species of humans were removed? Just asking.
The author is biased???
..
Ignoring the facts that:
1) Syria is constantly under threat from Israel; 2) Syria is currently under threat from the US; 3) a full blown war is underway on Syria's eastern border; 4) Syria has absorbed over a million refugees from Iraq; 5) Syria is still home to thousands of refugees from Palestine; and 6)since the demise of the Soviet Union Syria has been under tremendous pressure to maintain and secure her economy.
Mr. Fisk repeatedly wants us to believe that Syria has time, energy and inclination to cause trouble in Lebanon.
I have a question. Is Mr. Fisk on the payroll of a foreign power or has he been coerced or blackmailed into writing his fictional accounts?
Considering some of the Western players involved, its probably both.
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Fisk isn't necesarilly a spy or a syanim, he simply works for a newspaper that has gone on record as "supporting Israel" and has a bias toward his own tribe. The problem is that many leftists assume that because he will constructively criticise Israeli actions that therefore the aforementioned facts are irrelevant. In this regard he is smilar to Chomsky.
As Bush says: "God told me it was Israeli Mossad who did it"
There are no limits to what the zionists are prepared to do. Having destroyed Palestine, they will now try and destroy Lrbanon - a more difficult task.
It's a pity that we haven't an objective reporter in Beirut, only the pathetic Fisk.
for anyone interested in good reporting from Lebanon, check out Franklin Lamb. He's usually posted on Counterpunch. As a matter of fact, I was reading a post of his just yesterday.
I admired a lot of Robert Fisk's reporting about the awful bombardment of Lebanon during the summer of 2006. I think he showed a great appreciation for Lebanon and its sorry plight. Yet I have come to question his objectivity about events since. He, like so much of the media, characterizes political figures as 'pro-Syrian' or 'anti-Syrian,' for example, without much consideration as to whether they might not rather be 'pro-Lebanese'--or is this no longer a current idea in Lebanon? I sense, too, that he had overly strong sympathies for R. Hariri, as well as an untoward antipathy towards Hizballah. How he railed against them for starting the 2006 bombardment, as though he weren't aware even of the possibility that Israel might have been waiting for such a pretext (and had its attack OK'd with its trusted ally) to teach Lebanon another lesson. To my knowledge, Fisk has hardly been so vituperative against the progeny of R. Hariri for their role in the disaster of Nahr Al-Bared. Nor am I aware that he has questioned the wisdom of the political resuscitation of S. Geagea. It's a pity that there isn't anyone who seems able to report about Lebanon with clarity.
Dear Fisky···
As an addicted Robert Fisk reader and admierer, since " Pity the Nation", am quite astonished and saddened to see read you choiring in the Syria··· Syria···Syria refrain especially and particularly in this one "So, they assassinated another one yesterday. A general, Francois El-Hajj by name, not known in Europe but a senior officer and the chief of the Lebanese general army staff, whose battle for the Nahr el-Bared Palestinian refugee camps earlier this year made him an obvious target for the Syrians, for the Iranians, for the Palestinians, for just about anyone else you care to note···" where I would have thought Israel or any of its obvious local agents might have warrented a little note after ··· " for the Palestinians"···
In this unthoughtful article, I am sorry to say, it reminds me a bit of George Bush hysterics···· Terrorism··· terrorism ··· terrorism···
Yours thoughtfully
W. Faris
>>>made him an obvious target for the Syrians, for the Iranians, for the Palestinians, for just about anyone else you care to note.
"made him an obvious target for the Syrians, for the Iranians, for the Palestinians, for just about anyone else you care to note."
Ahh yes the word that may not be uttered by this intrepid storyteller of faded empire gone sorta native who gives the reader his typical routine:
Blame anybody and everybody but the word that cannot be uttered (SHHH ISRAEL).
Drop names and always have dinner and hob nob about the setting.
And last but certainly least, finish up by asking totally inane questions…that as a reporter (and I use the term loosely) Fisk should be answering himself before writing the article.
As a previous post mentioned you can get more information by reading Lamb:
http://www.counterpunch.org/
lamb...mb12132007.html
CHRIS
Thanks for the tip - I'll look at counterpunch.
Links to Lebanese newspapers on the net:
http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/...com/
lebanon.htm
I don't live in Lebanon, or anywhere near Lebanon. My view of events there are dependent upon others. Should I, therefore, give my mind over to the mind of another regarding the events in Lebanon? Or should I hear from everyone and apply my own observations regarding human behavior to reach a conclusion?
Mr. Fisk catches much criticism for taking a position which appears to me to be evident of some independence of thought, and less polarized than many other contemporary opinions.
Fisk writes: "When I had dinner with Mr Jumblatt ... "
Fisk is a great journalist, EXCEPT on post-2004 Lebanon. He's busy dining with flip-flop warlord and former Syria puppet, Jumblatt and before him, Saudi Arabia's front man Hariri, also former Syria puppet, who plunged Lebanon in massive debts and controlled most of its media, along with other warlords. He offered Fisk his private plane when the latter got a beating in Pakistan. Fisk's too cozy with people he's supposed to be scrutinizing, and is now repeating their version of events. Visit Professor Abukhalil's popular blog, angryarab.blogspot.com and do a search on Fisk. I think ICH should stop posting Fisk's articles prominently when he discusses present-day Lebanon. He's, sad to say, unreliable when it comes to that. He remains one of the best, if not THE best, when covering US empire ELSEWHERE.
you know some people cant see the truth even if it hits them right in the face, the lebanese have busted gangs and gangs of mossad spy's in lebanon, that have been bombing and killing lebanese in the same way for year's, Syria could not have done it, they have all eye's on them, but on the other hand israel have been trying to distroy lebanon.
Excellent comments ....
Good to see ICH readers dismantling a flimsy piece by a flimsy writer every now and again. Bit like paper shredding. therapeutic I guess. 
“It seems, therefore, that Lebanese politics are changing once again and that those who were enemies of the Syrians are no longer necessarily so…
…Syria denied involvement in yesterday's bombing, accusing "Israel and its Lebanese instruments" in a statement from Damascus, of benefiting from the atrocity.
But if this was a warning from Syria, and if General El-Hajj was meant to die – which he did – what is the message for General Suleiman and for all Lebanese?” Robert Fisk
In an article filled to the brim with embarrassing distortions a cub reporter couldn’t make - topped up with willful misrepresentation and noxious anti-Syrian propaganda straight out of the mouths of Likudlike lemmings, these excerpts, (the first and third paragraph) stand out for their stupidity. The second paragraph, which goes against his spin on this story, has only been inserted to cover his pasty, white and flabby ass.
Has Mr. Fisk lost his mind? Or have his masters finally whipped him raw and weeping? Is he now cowering in a corner after being waterboarded to ensure his cooperation?
Or has he simply been paid off with good living and a prominence in the media he doesn’t deserve?
His last paragraph deserves special mention as all the proof we need that he has slipped over the edge into delusion, if not dementia, unless of course, he’s lying for personal gain.
No one of any consequence has accused Syria of this crime. More and more people are recognizing the only ones benefiting from the never-ending chaos in Lebanon are the Jews of Israel. Yet Fisk spins it in the opposite direction...
I'm looking forward to the day the Lebanese police arrest him for assisting terrorism through his ongoing campaign to mask the actions and intentions of the Zionist War-mongers responsible for most of Lebanon's present calamities. He is a propagandist who lies in the service of a foreign power who undeniably wishes his host country ill and as such, should be prosecuted and expelled. Permanently.
Think how being removed from all that good living would affect a man like Fisk.
Qui bono indeed.
People please do not comment on his writings,he is enjoying this.
I'm glad to see that the discerning ICH readers aren't taken in by Robert Fisks articles anymore.
I doubt he cares though, it's the less discerning readers of the 'Indepedent' newspaper he's after.
You know.., the I'm so well educated everyone else is beneath me brigade...
'an obvious target for the Syrians'...With this,Robert Fisk shows his inability to think clearly and follow thru on lebanese issues...and he lives there!
If the general was an obvious target for the syrians, that make him an even MORE obvious target for destabilising israelis/americans!After all, who else stands to gain from the mans death!?
Duh, Mr Fisk!
@Veronica,
Oh, how I admire your writing and your articulated thought!
All true what you say.
As far as Fisk being a spy, well, I suspect we all will time again to discuss this from his future writings.
In short, I would say, "yes", I would consider him a spy.
Mind you though I don't mean it in a "Bondesque" sense but more in the "Project Mockingbird" sense. Where loser journalist types and other lame hanging fruits and "spy wannabes" who want to play toy soldier and think of themselves to be bigger than what they ever hope to achieve in life play.
In any event, great job in analyzing and the writing in your post above.
Hamish Brown,
Thank you very much. Your comments make sense to me. Your description of "spy", in this case, is perfect and amusing.
I wrote a letter to the news editor of "The Independent" regarding this article by Robert Fisk, outlining the distortions, omissions, misinformation, errors and his baseless accusations against Syria or Iran. I do not expect a reply but Fisk may write a follow-up article with corrections.
In my letter, I included this last point which contradicts Fisk's claim that Marwan Hamadi did not blame Syria:
Robert Fisk wrote: "Walid Jumblatt, who has constantly blamed the Syrians for attacks on democratic politicians in Lebanon did not do so. Nor did Marwan Hamadi, one of Mr Jumblatt's parliamentary colleagues."
This Reuters video on the Guardian makes me wonder if Robert Fisk really had dinner with Walid Jumblatt or spoke with anyone else before writing his article. According to this video, dated December 12, 2007, the day before Mr. Fisk wrote his report, Marwan Hamadeh (also spelled Hamadi), Minister for Communications, blamed Syria-Iran.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/v.../dec/12/
lebanon
Lebanon blames Iran and Syria for bombing
Lebanese minister blames 'Syrian-Iranian axis' for the Beirut car bomb which killed a top-ranking army general
Wednesday December 12 2007
US Military / CIA support Sunni insurgents and Kurdish US loyalists against the Shia and Iran inside Iraq.
U.S. and Israel support Fatah against Hamas (the Palestinian people's elected representatives.)
Lebanon loses it's western sock-puppet Siniora and looks to be moving toward an Islamic coalition friendly to Syria, so Syria takes out one of their Lebanese supporters that might be more of a regional ally against Israel and the West.
Wait-wait-wait, move your hands back and forth a little more in the light so it casts a better shadow reflection on the wall Frisky! There, that's better. Whatever you say! Who's pickin up the dinner tab tonight ole buddy?
hey Hamish,
When were you at AUB? Were you visiting or studying? I am class of `89.
HAMISH BROWN
An excellent post on Fisk. I'd always thought that he was fluent in Arabic. Since he isn't, he is just another colonialist who likes it in Lebanon because there are so many "natives" that he can look down on.
I remember the country before the wars, in the early 1970s - it was a marvellous country, It had everything - good food, beautiful scenery, wonderful beaches, friendly people, a pleasant climate. A great place for a vacation.
Today the jews have made it a disaster area and a war zone.
peter kirsch
Because the Jews love nothing other than Gentile destruction, misery, despair and above all they love to worship evil. Look at what is happening in this world because of them. It is an absolute disaster!
peter kirsch
You said:
"There are no limits to what the Zionists are prepared to do. Having destroyed Palestine, they will now try and to destroy Lebanon"
The reality is that this is already in their greater Israel dream map, a plan drawn by the Zionists in their report " The protocols of the elders of Zion" http://www.alfredlilienthal.com/
...eaterisrael.htm
AK
I have read the Protocols.
I think that they were actually written by Herzl. Of course, the jews say that they are a forgery (a forgery of what?)
And why do I think they are true? Simply because everything written in the protocols is coming true today.
A German guy in the 19th century said "Die Juden sind unser Unglueck" - the jews are our misfortune.
How right he was!
I don't think people realise what the jews are up to. They aim to destroy America and Europe and the middle east.
America they will destroy financially and economically - same with Europe (they already have Sarko and Ferkel in their pocket), so all that is left is to destroy Iran.
They want to control the West, and are well on their way to achieving that.
However, I fear that the coming war with Iran will lead to the end of the zionist entity - the Iranians have a powerful army and advanced weaponry and could bomb the shit out of Tel aviv and Haifa. With the death of those two cities, the zionist entity is finished.
Gruess Gott!
qUIT BULLSHITTING
PETER KIRSCH YOU FAT UGLY FUCK WHY DONT YOU CRAWL BACK UNDER THE ROCK YOU CAME FROM
fisk him -never know what you will find
BIGTRUTHREALITY
You are both very ill-mannered, and your responses to my post indicate that you have no logical response except obscenity - which just about sums you up.
Nasty! Nasty!
Get back to the JDL - you do indeed belong with those thugs.
Hahahaha, bigtruthreality is another "one" crying out loud "Don't touch the Jews!"...
"bigtruthreality",
Why don't you stick to your hate group and quit trying to silence resistance?
Faithful to form, polarization's pundits persist in painting their portraits in black and white.
Point out the exploitive influence of a group within judaism and polarization's pundits call you "anti-semitic."
Point out that not all jews should be painted with the same brush, canvas, etc. and polarization's pundits call you "pro-jew."
One assertion proposes keeping all the colors on the palette through force.
A different approach affirms that only God can keep all the colors on the palette, and only when we cease to ignore His precious human Lamb.
Remission,
"Point out that not all jews should be painted with the same brush, canvas, etc. and polarization's pundits call you "pro-jew."
Any examples?
atheo,
Doesn't someone remind you of the paranoid stalker? Remember? Think back.
atheo,
My above message time-stamped 12.16.07 - 11:41 am, about the stalker, was supposed to apply to the other thread titled "Offshoring Interests and Economic Dogmas Are Destroying the US Dollar".
Veronica,
This anonymous guy seems batty. I can't make any sense of his posts or his focus on myself. I guess that's just part of participating in a public forum.
atheo
some examples
go to a local jewish centre ,introduce yourself -take out your "brush" and start "painting" all the jews there
chances are you will walk away pro-jew
then do the same at a local moslem centre
chances are you will walk away pro-jew
atheo,
The point is that much prejudice exists surrounding jewishness, 12.16.07 - 9:54 a m, and that as long as we keep operating from a mentality that all we need is a good prosecuting attorney to fix our problems, we continue to perpetuate the hopelessness of a broken race of beings who try to fix their problems by swinging for the pinata -- blindfolded, of course.
"much prejudice exists surrounding jewishness"
Please explain. Why would that be. How is it unique?
atheo,
From a 1993 version of "Webster's Dictionary," we read the following definition of the word prejudice -- a biased opinion based on emotion rather than reason; bias against a group, race, or creed
We also read the following definition of stereotype -- conventional opinion or belief; a metal printing plate
Groups are made up of individuals. That doesn't mean that characteristics which can be seen displayed by the group necessarily define all the individuals of that group.
Someone born into a jewish family can no more be defined with a stereotype than someone born into any ethnic group.
To destroy individuals for the sake of group agenda is the bane of the human race, in my opinion.
Cause and effect definitely appears to be at work in the human experience. Can we learn from history?
This is the beauty of the individual gospel of Jesus Christ; that is, even though we're born into agenda driven groups, we're all gifted with the opportunity to receive a new identity as heaven's children.
Not to be naive, one sets himself/herself up as a target whenever refusing to jump on "the majority agenda wagon." But, peace with heaven is the reward for being at peace with truth.
My appeal is that we cease trampling individuals, which is impossible until we cease trampling all individuals, including the One in Whose image we have been designed.
test
So then we shouldn't comment on zionism because some may see that as pejudice directed broadly at Jews???
atheo,
Who said we shouldn't comment on zionism?
What I see as unproductive is the polarization which seems to flow from "a prosecuting attorney ethic."
Human history is the story of thousands of years of prosecuting attorneys. When are we going to learn?
"much prejudice exists surrounding jewishness"
???
ATHEO
What do you mean by "prejudice"?
Prejudice, as you well know, means -pre-judgement.
The facts speak for themselves:
1) The zionist entity is a rogue entity.
2) It is supported by world jewry who see it as an emotional anchor against their congenital terror of discrimination and persecution.
3) A recent article in Haaretz, an Israeli paper confirms this.
4) In the middle east, they dominate.
5) In Washington, DC, they dominate and determine US foreign policy (see {Petras's book and M&W's book).
6) On Wall Street, they dominate.
7) On the west coast, they control the media.
Sarkozy of France is in their pocket.
9) Merkel of Germany is in their pocket.
10) Just read the Protocols and see to what extent their power has increased exponentially over the last hundred years in accordance with the prophecies of the protocols.
The point which can be made over and over again is that there's a difference between informed zeal for justice and blind zeal for vengeance.
Part of being informed involves the assignment of responsibility which, in the case of zionism, means not running from the verifiable facts of an exploitive agenda relative to jewish history.
At the same time, if our zeal is truly for justice, we'll proceed in a way which keeps us informed of our own potential for irresponsibility. We'll also proceed in a way which doesn't simply enable the next exploitive agenda.
Within this context, are we open to acknowledging the difference between an informed zeal for justice, and a blind zeal for vengeance?
REMISSION
I agree entirely. I don't know whether you were referring specifically to my post above, but please be assured that I am able to back up whatever I write at ICH with hard evidence. I try not to be irresponsible.
Regarding vengeance - it's a dangerous form of hate which often is more destructive of the hater than the hated.
For the sake of avoiding any misunderstanding, it is affirmed by me that "informed zeal for justice" always begins with an acknowledgment of my own need for mercy.
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