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That is an absolutely disgusting photograph - well done!!
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where do you get all these great images from thecutter, I have often wondered?
PPS
I sincerely hope there is some innuendo going on in that image!
Finbar Saunders and his double-entendres - phnarr phnarr!
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Thanks Joe! this particular image was found by my bloodhound-assistant, the tireless Zaki. Gilad told us there were secret images of the first WW Martyr Brigade troops, but they were spirited away back in the late 50s. I don't know exactly how this particular one was found, but we know that he who seeks finds!
As to the other images on the site, I usually have an idea in my head of what I want, and since I spend a lot of time storing images in my mind (this is part of my restoring training, to develop a photographic memory of images and details of images) I try to find what I have in my mind. Zaki came up with the great Wolfowitz photomontage last week, but usually, I take pictures that are already available somewhere and that's that!
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Ah yes of course - you have a brilliant eye thecutter!
Only if you can be bothered - but are the moaics at Ravenna traditionally ascibed to Justinian and his court actually Alaric the Goth?
A simple yes, no or maybe will suffice!
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I'd love to go back to Italy - I have lots of beautiful memories - mad but totally gorgeous Italians, gelati and piles of ruins and beautiful countryside and sea and mountains and rain like I could never imagine even in my wildest dreams - and I thought I knew all about rain as well!
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http://www.oznik.com/words/not-n...om-
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poetry with a bitter taste
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http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/...cle.asp?
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Zionists' mis-guided adventure with humiliating results.
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Joe, Italy is a land of extremes! At this moment it is pouring down buckets, and just one hour ago it was sunny... (when it rains here, it floods in a moment, because the land has been baked dry by 12 days of 40 degree weather that has the power to break rocks in two). But yes, Italy is indeed full of strong emotions for tourists.
The Ravenna mosaics are indeed Justinian! I don't know any other explanation of them, but I will certainly try to see if there is something different from the classic attributions.
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No, don't do anything on my account thecutter, please - you have enough to be getting on with!
I just thought since you're in the vicinity and into that sort of stuff you might know something - some gossip or tidbits etc
Just to say that,
that is the latest I heard - that the traditional portrait ascribed to be of himself Justinian is, in fact, good old Alaric the Goth himself ! Stunning!
Justinian came along later and done some Soviet-style re-writing of history to Arian heretic Alaric's monument - as you would!
Apparantly - names have been deliberately removed from above some of the figures and/or portraits removed and their spaces left blank -
I'll hunt the info down myself - but I was absolutely flabbergasted when I heard of this latest piece of research!
Oh, I love Italy!
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Jewish-Bolshevism - The Second Wave ?
"Islamic fascists"
I did mean to say in my comment there - that the US economy is state-capitalist, exactly the same as the old Soviet-Stalinist economy was once the 5 year plans were started -
And the communist regime wasn't 'soviet' either - that was the first thing the Bolshevik vanguard destroyed as soon as they got power
ie they got rid of workers councils
- same with Yankee democracy - a completely hollow farce!
Actually,
the more you think about it, the more the 'Jewish' led Yankee Neo-cons start to morph into the old 'Jewish'-Bolshevik vanguard who were also out to change the face of the earth!
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NAZIsraelis don't have to insult their 101% supporters - like Pat Robertson and Billy Graham.
Damn those anti-Shemite Jew Zionists.
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Joe, Italy is a land of extremes!
On one hand, it has the supporters of Islamic Fascism like Mary Rizzo, and it has the Pope.
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Funny though - Papacy always have some sort of love affair with Jews. Some 'abducted' young Jewish boy - you know for what - some had Jewish mothers and most had Jewish accountants.
But then it was in the past. Now the same Christians whose Lord was killed the 'Jew-facists' - have worked so hard to save Jewish bloody butts from Hizb'Allah.
http://voanews.com/english/2006-...08-11-
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Stephen, do you not have one ounce of humor in your bones?
Joe, do you ever wear the kilt?
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There is something that purports to be an authorised translation of the Gilber Achcar interview about 'asymmetrical barbarisms', here:
http://leninology.blogspot.com/2...ert-
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It certainly gives a better reading of the phrase I found incomprehensible and posted a comment about: "... the reactionary character in a real sense, that is to say that will—as Marx argued—to make an end of history... "
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Well, the idiot didn't bother to state where he robbed the interview from, nor did he credit the translator. He claims the interviewee has "revised" the interview, but should say who actually did the work, who found it, translated it and then diffused it. What a lack of class.
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Another example of 'asymmetrical barbarisms':
http://www.the7thfire.com/
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peace upon you,
my sister, thank you for dropping by at my blog. Your blog is so informative and giving a lot of new perspective.
May be we can know each other...
cheers
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Unfortuantely, that new perspective is just old antisemitism. Yes, you two have much in common.
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You would think that anyone with even a smidgeon of respect for those who have been victims of real anti-semitism, might preclude them from abusing the term to the point of meaninglessness, simply for the purpose of making ineffectual attempts to protect the state of Israel from scrutiny.
If you did, you'd be wrong. Exhibit A - Stephen.
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If you took even half a good look at that photo you would see it is so obviously fake. It is another paliwood production right down to the evident falsehood of it. I suppose the rest of the world should start taking fashion tips from people who find sheets the height of style.
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the photo is fake?????
Does that mean that the exclusive information is fake too?????
What is internet coming to??!!!!
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Faisal, your blog is very nice! I will add it to my links (hopefully can catch up and renew them in a few days.) Meantime, I urge people to take a look at his very nicely done and informative blog.
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You mean people read the posts on this site?
I often wonder what the internet is coming to myself. Letting people run hate sites full of lies. When will the madness end?
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MO
I wear the kilt with pride mate!
Knobbly hairy knees, skein dhu, sporran for my stash of psychotropic drugs, money for alcohol and number of my local taxi cab company so I don't wake up lying the gutter next day or in the local police cells!
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Great Blog. Congrats...
would watch my little movie about the Israeli-palestinian conflict?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p...h?
v=py0RZbi0VV4
Take care,
Willen
blog.willensoares.com
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I tell you what,
but aren't Arab folk in general so nice and polite and decent civilsed people - faisaltehrani is just so sweet -
- you can't help falling in love with them all!
I blush at some of the language I use when I remember I am talking in the presence of such decent civilised people!
I blame you lot - I used to a very well-mannered agreeable easy-come easy-go kinda a guy till I started hanging around blogs - they are bad influence - you are nothing but a bunch of troublemakers!
PS
did you know that Nelson Mandela's name in his own tongue of the great Xhosa tribe means 'troublemaker' -
- I rest my case!
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UK Channel 4 News has just reported that Israel has claimed to have reached the Litani River -
- one of the old psychological limit of Israeli imperial ideology (ie somebody else's water supply) which remarkabley coincides with the Hezbollah activities - what a coincidence, who would have guessed?
PS
big demo in Edinburgh Festival Land today
Anti-war march attracts thousands
And the 'Burry Man' was out doing the rounds today!
Visitors come for the Burry Man
Remember to check-out the BBC link in the top right hand corner!
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Descent Into Moral Barbarism
Should Alan Dershowitz Target Himself for Assassination?
By NORMAN FINKELSTEIN
Peerless!
Like everything Norman writes, this is a condensed and superlatively written account of history -
- diplomatic - military - legal - and moral -
- while at the same time completely demolishing the piss-poor 'Israeli narrative side of the discourse'
ie official Israeli state lies and propaganda and their assorted mouthpieces down the years
You really have to feel sorry for Norman's targets - I begin to wince after a while and start to feel sympathy for poor Alan Dershy and the rest of brainwashed parrots - having to survive under such a barrage of scholarly brilliance which is motivated only by concern for the truth and the plight of defenceless innocent voiceless humanity!
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Finkelstein says that "although Dershowitz is represented, and represents himself, in the media as a liberal and civil libertarian, the sort of arguments he makes crops up most often at the far right of the political spectrum. " and this is untrue : the record of the political instructions to the Soviet Red Army is just as bad.
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Fink has been proven, time and time again, to be little but a hack writer.
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Fink, meaning "rat," the kind that rat out drug dealers in their neighborhood?
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Fink meaning the piss poor writer.
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Unfortunately, many Ashkenazic names are less than flattering, and Finkelstein is one of them. Blame the Austro-Hungarian census officials, who insisted on a surname for every Jew.
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" Finkelstein says that "although Dershowitz is represented, and represents himself, in the media as a liberal and civil libertarian, the sort of arguments he makes crops up most often at the far right of the political spectrum. " and this is untrue : the record of the political instructions to the Soviet Red Army is just as bad." - Rowan.
I don't think it's a left/right thing, but shows up among those who are subserviant, or conform to, or power, whether it's Dershowitz's ethical contortions or the apparatchiks of the Soviet era.
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So the NAZIsrael - while pushing the US and France for the '15,000 UN bodyguards' to protect itself frommore Hizb'Allah's deadly kicks - has deployed 30,000 members of its secret WWMB soldiers into Hizb'Allah's backyard. But they too have proven to be pieces of 'jewish forsaken skin' as IOF.
Fierce clashes between Hizb'Allah fighters and the invading WWMB troops continued through the night southeast of Tyre, on the outskirts of Hizb'Allah stronghold of Khiam.
Twenty-four Israeli soldiers were killed and 100 injured on Saturday, including five when Hizbullah shot down a helicopter, according to the Israeli army.
Over the past four weeks, Hiz'Aullah proved a foe to be reckoned with, inflicting heavy losses on the armed-to-the-teeth Zionist military thugs.
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Hopefully in the next few days, we will have found that 1/2 the Hezbullahs' Islamic fascist army have been destroyed along with most of its missles.
Interesting that Finkelstein's writings mostly appear in White supremist, neo-nazi and Islamic Fascist web sites and blogs.
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I see no evidence for the idea that half of Hezbollah's strength or armaments have been destroyed, or even used up. The supply lines are after all still open, since they aren't roads, but mule tracks.
It seems to me that it has been pointed out very many times that writers are not responsible for the web sites on which they work gets reposted.
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"Ya Sheikh - You were right and I am one stupid warmongering Zionist Jew," - Ehud Olmert
After a failed month-long war that cost Israel many soldiers and scores of military vehicles, Ehud Olmert's government is taking the channel Hizbullah described from the very beginning as the only way to secure the release of two soldiers taken prisoner by the Lebanese resistance; negotiations.
"We will have to enter a process which means negotiations" Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni told a news conference after the cabinet voted to approve a UN resolution on a cessation of hostilities, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP).
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Abe Foxman: How like the ADL, to run around slandering anyone who doesn't mindlessly support the State of Israel.
The world is opening its eyes to the truth about Zionism, and there is nothing you can do to prevail against the truth.
"If a foreigner sojourns with you in the land,
you shall not oppress him. But the foreigner
that dwells with you shall be to you as one
born among you. You shall love him as yourself."
~ Leviticus 19:33,34
"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation,
land confiscation, and the cutting of all social
services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."
~ David ben Gurion, 1948
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Try using an actual quote from a real source, instead of your fraudulent quotes designed to increase antisemitic feelings.
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Arabs are semites. You accusing Shaukat of hating Arabs?
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He would then be an arabphobic. Antisemitism has nothing to do with Arabs, except it seems that most Islamic Arabs are antisemitic.
Are you pretending to be stupid or are you the real thing?
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Arabs are semitic so how can they be anti-semitic
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Well Rowan this is why I avoid political labels,
people make of them what they want - leading to lots of confusions -
What Norman is refering to is the current US political spectrum, which you need a microscrope in order to discern one party from another they're so much the same, any differences between them is just window dressing and marketing strategies you would use to sell toothpaste or soap-powder -
ie they are just two factions of the one party of big corporate buisness using the state to protect and look after the interests of huge concentrations of demestic power -
Anyone trying to argue now that, say, the US Republican Party respresent traditional conservative values and The Democrats traditional liberal values would get laughed at by anyone with the slightest understanding of the meanings of both adjectives as applied to politics
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http://www.menapress.com/article...le.php?
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Damn 'anti-Shemite' Theodor Herzl...
"There are a certain number of Jews - a nation can handle - And Germany have too many of them already."
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http://www.marxists.de/middleast...east/schoenman/
Schoeman in Palestine
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"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population." ~ David ben Gurion, 1948
-- that particular quotation doesn't sound altogether implausible, though I don't know its provenance.
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A personal anecdote about Finkelstein. I was in Norman's intro to poli sci class at Brookly College in the early '90s. He turned most classes into Chomsky/Said indoctrination sessions. I was saw him have a fit when the doors closed on him on a train about to depart from the Flatbush Ave. train station , causing him to miss his train. He started violently kicking at the side of the train and cursing at the before the train pulled out. Normally, I would be indulgent and take into consideration that anyone can have a bad day, but the man's a loon! A note about Rowan's comment that
"Unfortunately, many Ashkenazic names are less than flattering, and Finkelstein is one of them. " Actually, though it doesn;t sound like it to native English ears, Finkelstein is a flattering name. It roughly translates to "precious stone." I think in Norman's case, however, his head is like a stone.
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Who cares about some 'quotes', RB. Most Jewish religious days are based on their 'vengeance against the Gentiles.
John Sack wrote in his book ‘Eye for Eye’ - about the horrible revenge exacted by Jews from the German civilians after WWII. This book tells of tortures, ‘extra-judicial killings’, mass poison and other horrors.
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Mikha'el thankyou for sharing that amazing anecdote.
You heard him folks, Norman doesn't like missing his train, therefore you must discount everything he's ever said about the Israel-Palestine conflict.
Heartfelt thanks to Mik for saving us all so much reading.
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Tee hee hee,
Good job TC. Good blog too, even though there are many points I disagree with but I think you are extremely talented.
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I was saw him have a fit when the doors closed on him on a train about to depart from the Flatbush Ave. train station , causing him to miss his train. He started violently kicking at the side of the train and cursing at the before the train pulled out.
Plus, I bet, you once met someone who told you that he saw Edward Said staring at him and fingering his crotch suggestively. It takes all sorts.
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"Arabs will get their freedom - Only when the Americans will get theirs (from Zionists)," - Dr. Edward Said.
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Stephen J. Kohn: that quote came from "Ben-Gurion, a Biography", by Michael Ben-Zohar (May 194
How typical for a zionist to just claim something isn't true, and expect people to believe them.
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That should be May 1948, damned software think it was an emoticon...
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Skein Dhu, Joe? I'd figured you more for the Claymore type...
As for me, Sykes-Fairbairn all the way (though I used mine to cut field dressings...)
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As usual,
you've no idea what you're talking about - ho-hum
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So enlighten me, Ô Schottische one.
Ka-bar. Ka-bars are good too...
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Okay, dirk AND skein dhu for formal occasions.
Sue me for using Gardner (late Bond) rather than Fleming (early/"real" Bond) for a guide to Scottish weapons.
I don't think we wear steel for "top hat & tails" gatherings. More like the para beret.
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A goodh advice from Ha'aretz:
"You barbarians - pack up and return to your European homelands."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/
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BTW, ThomasMc is correct about the source for that quote by Ben Gurion ("We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, etc. etc."). But the author is Bar-Zohar (not Ben-Zohar), and the publication date (at least of the English translation) is 1978 by Delacorte Press.
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wear what you want, I couldn't care less
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Saw this at KABOBfest:
Israel's Chief of Staff sold his investment portfolio three hours after the two soldiers were captured by Hezbollah.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/
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Norman Finkelstein was spotted once with one of his shoelaces undone !
- it's in the file they keep on him, and the rest of us troublemakers, at The Yankee-Gestapo-Hasbara HQ, c/o The Keystone Kops -
- apparantly, the vigilant unpaid agent reports, that Norman never bothered to re-tie the offending shoelace for a full 23 minutes!
It makes you think - doors, shoelaces - what next in this catalogue of obsessions with dress-wear and missing trains - has he ever thought about a career as a neo-con?
Mind you, you have to be a total dunce to join that mob of first class international clowns and washed-up Yankee Bolshevik vanguards!
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Always follow the money trouvere mate!
- Chief of Staff of the Israeli Keystone Kops I presume you mean trouvere?
Billions and billions invested in them and they can't beat a bunch of south Lebanese toe-rags - or the even more lighter armed Lions of Occupied Palestine
ie a bunch of youthful stone throwers and some guys with assualt rifles
- indeed, if anybody understands what Hezbollah are about, (having a lowly educated guess I mean on the subject) then they know the Party of God will be licking their chops right now - they have the Israeli Keystone Kops exactly where they want them -
In the last hours of the fighting, from what I can gather, the Hezbollah were wiping the floor with the SS-IOF -
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They can beat them. They can wipe out the entire country of Lebanon. The only thing stopping them is their morality.
You have heard of morality, haven't you?
In the last hour of fighting, the head of Hezbullah's special forces was eliminated.
I heard Norman Finklestein was helping joe90 put his kilt back on.
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Sabbah's Blog has a very nice photo album of Lebanon celebrating Hezbollah's triumph--
http://www.sabbah.biz/mt/
You can't help but share their joy.
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What stopped them, Kohn, was the U.S., who doesn't want the Arab League to intervene and raise oil prices. Without the 6 bil sucked from American pockets, leachy Israel would not exist well.
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"Damn - Why don't the Akum understand good Jewish morality," - Abe Foxman, national director ADL.
"The Akum (non-Jew) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the the dog more than the non-Jew." - Ereget Raschi Erod. 22 30
"Even though G-d created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an animal. Therfore he will be served by animals in human form." -Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855
"A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal." - Coschen hamischpat 405
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Shaukat, while I understand where you are coming from, I also think that most of it is way over the top and unneccessary. What use is it to point out elements of texts (some of them very marginal) that simply demonstrate your thesis that there are sick things in the Jewish religion. Frankly, I like a lot of things in that religion, by no means all, as is true of many religions, but we have to also admit that it is not these marginal and radical things that are the driving force behind modern Israeli atrocities, but there are modern things involved like economic gain in the Stock Market and power over natural resources that are currently more of a dogma than the things you cite. I believe that most of that is driven by "secular" Jews and anyway, texts taken out of context can always show horrible things. This is true of any text you can name.
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thecutter, don’t you get it? Anything he finds no matter how irrelevant or demonstrably false that feeds his sick hatred and is part of the demonization of the jew is immediately ingested as part of the whole of his body of hate. The fact that you ban civilized readers of your blog and not delusional mental cases like him says something about you as well and the true purpose of peace palestine. The truth of people like him is simple. They make up the cannon fodder for islam. Brainwashed from a young age to be willing human sacrifices for the religion of peace.
People like him the simple minded type, are being fed lies about Judaism in preparation of the truth about islam starting to spread.
The truth about Muhammad has been one of the world’s best-kept secrets. For centuries, it has been virtually impossible to raise objections about the character of Muhammad in Muslim countries, for anyone who raised such objections would (following the example set by Muhammad himself) immediately be killed.
Outside the Muslim world, there has been little interest in Islam. But things have changed. Now many people are interested in Islam, and Muslims aren’t able to silence everyone. Moreover, with the advent of the Internet, it is now impossible to keep Muhammad’s life a secret. The facts about the founder of Islam are spreading very rapidly, and Muslims are frantically scurrying to defend their faith.
But the information superhighway is paving over the ignorance that has for centuries been the stronghold of Islamic dogma. In the end, Islam will fall, for the entire structure is built upon the belief that Muhammad was the greatest moral example in history, and this belief is demonstrably false.
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"information superhighway" - ooh, big words from the parrot for western values that is terrified of democracy
- what can it all mean, we wonder?
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all these dogmas from the ancient world have crusty elements.
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Rowan,
you're beginning to sound like the Pythoness at the Delphic Oracle - what is it you mean?
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Well, obviously the real ancient concept is that only one's own people are fully 'human'. This is normal tribal thinking. Then, as trade forces one to face the unavoidable fact that other peoples are 'human' too, one develops initiatory systems which grant honorary 'humanity' to non-members of one's tribe in return for their undergoing some sort of ceremony. From this, eventually, develop religions which offer potential membership to all sorts of hominid everywhere, in return for adoption of a dogma of some sort. It is idle to expect enlightenment under such conditions.
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Brilliant!
I was going to say something along the lines of
'Oh well, you ask a simple question.."
Except of course, I think you push all this primitive tribal bit a bit too far Rowan - people know there's a big world out there - it doesn't comes as any great shock that there are other people all over the place doing their own thang
Right from the word go there are extensive contacts between different people, as you can tell in 'trade' systems of prized stone like jade from the Italian alps, greenstone fromthe Isle of Arran in Bonnie Scotland etc -
These people are extremely sophisticated and well travelled -
It is almost a definition of humanity is 'movement' - up the rift valley, through Palestine around Turkey and following the tectonically active limestone gorges and valleys right across southern Europe into the Spanish and French Pyrenees etc
Sedentary life is the unusaul way of life for humans, really, if you look at things from their origins c.80,000 BCE (is that last date I have in my head for the earliest known human skeleton) until the first farming and permanent settlement c.10,000 BCE
I know what you mean though Rowan
- but things are never as hard and fast, when it comes to humanity, as binary opposites lulls us into thinking -
- but I couldn't have come up with your explanation if I was offered money to do so - nice one!
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08.16.06 - 9:28 pm | #
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From the word go humans have always been sophisticated -
- but I was just thinking about this group tribalism thing and it is a well known phenomenon people do become caught up in the crowd and give up their own individuality - Hannah Arendt's definition of totalitarian(ism) is as good a description as I have read (but can't remember its exact wording ( a strange thing that - you know what soemone means but can't think-remember the language used) -
I think that a lot of this modern western so-called culture is anti-culture - it is far more primitive and inhuman than any traditional 'primitive tribal' societies I've ever came across - you've only to read the brilliant Chinua Achebe's 'Thing's Fall Apart' to see how barbaric western intitutional brainwashing destructiveness is from the viewpoint of non-westerners -
- or read about the different tribes of America as it was being colonised to see how advanced spirirual morally these natve folk were compared to the western savages newly arrived on THEIR shores -
'White' babies kidnapped and brought up in natve north American communities never returned to live amongst their western counterparts later in life without being forced to do so, ever! -
- but native Indians who went to try living in the new western communities in their land always returned back to their own tribes and way of life -
It is a bit of the odd man out is western so-called culture/capitalism - call it what you will - out of all the different ways of organising themselves into groups, it is western culture that is dramatically different from everything that has went before or that has managed to exist and survive side by side with it -
All the best Rowan - sorry if all this is a bore but you do provide much food for thought!
PS
I was accused of being a 'Fanonite ideaologue' recently!
- I love it!
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08.17.06 - 4:23 pm | #
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I think it is true that internationalism has become extremely boring, due to McDonalds and the 'Washington Consensus', and Soviet style proletarian internationalism was pretty boring too, but it is hard to decide whether internationalism per se is boring or not. Perhaps it is wrong to imagine that nationalism is necessarily such a bad thing. Globalism was a side effect of the creation of the fantasy of the world market by liberal colonialism (this is not a contradiction in terms, if you remember what 'liberalism' originally meant, which is basically, global free trade).
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I have no idea what you mean 'boring'
ie you having to talk about 'it' or having to listen to others talk about it - no idea, sorry
Human culture(s) are inherintly interesting - all the time - even if it is the western homogenised monoculture with its single aim of reducing other cutlures to tits own vapid western lowest common denominator
As for tribalism and parochialism and all that -
- I often note that the most boring parochial humans on the planet usually hail from these great metropoltan western centers of 'culture' such as London, whose darlings love nothing more than to denigrate others by refering to them as 'provincial' -
There is nothing more provincial, parochial, tribal and boring than the great herd of London psuedo-intellectuals - A Wasteland alright!
They even think that the London museums and art galleries stuffed full with everybody else's art and culture, ripped off from other people, was actual made and produced in their own barren desert of a city! - Hilarious!
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08.17.06 - 7:53 pm | #
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The only other person I can think of who described London as parochial is Wyndham Lewis (the fascist - far be it from me to suggest that this makes him incorrect, though).
'Parochial' is the adjective from 'parish' (amriki will recall the phrase 'parish pump').
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That's what I mean -
London psuedos need to get out more - and not just their mandatory 3 week jolly at the Edinburgh Festival -
The Oxbridge BBC London set (or the cultural equivalent of the Bermuda Triangle) really are hilarious the way they think the rest of the world revolves round their little hermetically sealed bubble -
I know where parochial is from and provincial-metropolitam binary opposite - their little mind-set is so transparant
joe90 |
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08.17.06 - 9:03 pm | #
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They look like dickheads
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08.18.06 - 1:04 am | #
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They look like my parents.
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08.20.06 - 3:20 am | #
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