Greenstein und Elam what a team.
Shell report them to the Jewnited Nation
for being 'Weapons of self destruction'
hahahaha One thing Gilad never seems to lose is his sense of humour or even his patience in having to deal with these two morons.
However it looks as though every activist and socialist in Britain, as well as in Germany now, has had more than enough of these two thugs, and NOBODY wants to touch them with a barge pole any longer.
So unless they're planning to change their identities completely and have major facial reconstruction surgery, they may as well move to Tel Aviv, where they might just have a chance of being invited to the odd bar mitzvah in their dotage.
Intimidating an 80 year old activist certainly takes the cake....Just when we all thought he could sink no further, Greenslime proved that he has no limits when it comes to unethical behavior.
Realising no doubt that people generally are beginning to see him for the sociopath he is, he was spotted yesterday doing some damage control, and buying (or was it stealing?) a giant bottle of Zyklon B Colgone, and dabbing himself liberally with it on the way out of the shop.
The manufacturers of Zyklon B Cologne, imported from Israel, make this promise to their customers:
"Anyone can smell like a Real Victim! Douse yourself in Z.B.C. and the goys will feel sorry for you, even if you're a sniper who shoots children in their own homes!"
Iwhen in a hole, stop digging! never were words more apt! Even after the discovery that his sidekick took him for a ride and that nothing was faked other than a belief that Tony has something intelligent to say or has a couple of brain cells to rub together - what a weird image he comes up with, isn't that coins? (Joe believes it, Andy believes it and so does a Charlie Pottins) THIS is what he left on Alef.
I have not mentioned before Rizzo & Atzmon’s ‘petition’: ‘Among those free fighters against Zionism are two non-Arab supporters of the Palestinian cause, two outstanding personalities’. You couldn’t make it up. It is no surprise therefore that there are fake signatures on the petition which their authors have not agreed to.
It is also clear, contrary to Ms Rizzo’s previous protestations, that she was up to her eyes in organising this petition and getting Palestinians to front it. It is a ‘petition’ from those who insist Palestinians are the priority and refers, as an afterthought, to the siege of Gaza!
http://peacepalestine.blogspot.c...s-that-
you.html
Mary never ceases to complain about being ‘smeared’ but that doesn’t stop her from engaging in smearing people like myself and Shraga. ‘Tony is indeed a Zionist, were we to judge by his actions, as are you, for continuing to smear and accuse activists without any investigation.’
So if you criticise, sorry ‘smear’ Ms Rizzo you are a Zionist! A novel definition of the word. But in reality Shraga and myself and much of this list are ‘Zionists’ because we are Jewish no more and no less. At Atzmon says:
‘Bizarrely enough, it is the Jewish Left which turns Zionism into the official voice of the Jewish people…. by fighting Zionism in the name of their Jewish identity they approve Zionism. They must fail to realise that their form of resistance contributes to the labelling of the entire Jewish people as war criminals… as far as Jews are concerned, the demarcation between racial identity and nationalist identity is very ambiguous. (this is from someone who says you won’t find a word about a Jewish race in his entire writings!)
http://www.gilad.co.uk/html%20fi...iles/
notin.html
Despite complaining that they are ‘censored’ the reality is that it is Rizzo’s ‘petition’ that calls for censorship and in particular for me to stop criticising her the object of her devotion, Atzmon.
I realise that Shraga’s discovery that the 2 signatures are faked is uncomfortable for Mary. After all she has been boasting for weeks now that they managed to obtain the signature of a holocaust survivor. I assumed that the person concerned, who I didn’t know in any way, was probably confused at best, now it seems that a statement explaining why he was an anti-Zionist and anti-racist has been used as a vehicle to attach his signatory to something entirely different.
Maybe Hajo’s comments associating
cont:
Maybe Hajo’s comments associating him with the petition will now also be deleted since they were nothing to do with the Petition?
http://peacepalestine.blogspot.c...-one-
could.html
To say nothing of comments like that below, by an open holocaust denier called ‘knuckles’ (a postbag for Atzmon when he needs deniability) I wonder if Greenstein has a gun big enough to shoot us all. Is he planning to accuse all 150 signatories of being H-deniers and anti-semites, including the Holocaust survivor who signed, and perhaps call for our torture at the hands of the new zionist inquisition???
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http://www.haloscan.com/
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Mary’s spluttering outrage is totally synthetic. Rather than engage in an ad hominem attack on Shraga she should be thanking him for pointing out that some signatures on her ‘petition’ are not all they seem. How could Hajo and Ellen, who know nothing of me, sign a petition aimed at me? The fact is that Mary and her friends took deliberate advantage of peoples’ weaknesses to get them to sign, often on the basis, as she admits, of previous personal associations. There is nothing at all honest or open in all of this. Mary knows full well that her ‘petition’ had as one of its original signatories The Radical Press, a virulently anti-Semitic and holocaust denial site. Anyone with a couple of brain cells to rub together could have worked that one out. So when Mary says that ‘The three articles I saw had nothing anti semitic in them. I did not feel it was right to engage in eliminating anti-zionist sites when NOTHING is done to eliminate Zionist ones!’ She misses the
point. The site isn’t anti-Zionist unless she is referring to the kind of anti-Zionism that Atzmon and herself put forward. But what is utterly dishonest is her suggestion that if you quote from fascist or racist sites you are somehow endorsing their views. Researchers regularly quote from fascists and sites such as The Radical Press, Adelaide Institute or indeed Mary Rizzo’s own site. I also cite Hitler’s Mein Kamp and Heinrich Class’s ‘If I Were the Kaiser’. That doesn’t mean I agree with them. However Mary forgets what she wrote about The Radical Press when we pointed out who were fellow signatories were. 'The Radical Press presents thought-provoking and intelligent information and analysis. It is absolutely NOT anti-Semitic, but many who might not agree with its harsh critique on Israel might try to label it as such, so that people will create confusion between the two, and things never change.
‘I hope you realise that it is a valuable resource, and any campaigning made to insinuate that it is a racist site is not at all accurate.
Mary Rizzo
http://www.socialistunity.com/?p...7#comment-
42507
Below are some examples of this ‘thought-provoking and intelligent’ site: The fact is Mary that you
Hello,
I appreciate too much your vision about the P-I conflict.
Well Put.
As xyz put it eloquently, we are dealing here with thugs... and yep, people do not like thugs, whether they are Zios or ‘anti Zios’, whether they abuse an old woman at a roadblock in Palestine or an 80 years old German Activist (Shraga Elam). People do not like thugs when they engage in robbery of land in Palestine or some petty criminal activity in the UK. These 2 Jewish ethnic activists prove time after time that they lack the basic notion of human social skills. They do not even understand why they are so despised. They obviously live in denial, like the Zionists…. Denial is in itself is a very Jewish quality; in Lacanian terms it can be seen as a severe lack of mirroring capacity. It is the outcome of pathological supremacy (chosenness) and the lack of a healthy notion of the ‘Other’.
Instead of looking in the mirror these 2 thugs engage in ideological rationalisation of their impossible social conditions. They put humanity into 2 boxes: ‘Jews’ and ‘anti Semite’. They obviously locate themselves in the ‘Jew’ box and the rest of humanity is in the other box. This indeed simplifies reality, though they both behave like a thugs, they insist to believe that everyone hates them just because they happen to be a Jewish.. it is banal, it is funny and it is very sad.
In order to maintain their existential rationality, Elam and Greenstein have to be despised, they are indeed doing very well on that front. Out of the box, they behave like gangsters, they then land in their Jewish Box, on of those very few Kosher cyber cell (Socialist Jewnity, Alef etc’) where they are caressed by the other largely despised 3rd category Sayanim of different sorts and different hooligan skills.
I do believe that these 3rd category Jews (Sayanim) are very important for the Palestinian Solidarity movement.
They allow European and American activists to learn closely how ugly Zionism is and what Jewish tribalism is all about. They prove that tere is no Left and Right in Jewishness, just fake diversity. I hope they never stop celebrating their symptoms in public.
Happy Easter
everybody
and Happy Purim for Elam and Greenstein
Joe Kane and Tony Greenstein STILL lying on Tony's blog, and I share it here. This is Joe90:
It is apparant you are intent on racialising and personalising a movement-campaign devoted to justice and peace for all.
You claim I am supporting Tony Greenstein's lies but you haven't provided any proof that I have done any such thing.
You claim I'm putting words in your mouth, yet you refuse to answer the simplest of questions regarding your use of racist abuse, which can only harm Palestinians.
You claim it is me who is doing harm to Palestinians -
You DO harm, and you don't seem to recognise it. Gilad does good and you try to destroy him. This is something that I think is sick.
Leaving aside the hyperbole that Gilad is that important and anybody who dares question the great leader's very words is sick and out to destroy him - I think it right and proper to ask questions of people who repeat Nazi propaganda and publicise this pro-Zionist propaganda abroad.
Rather than answer a simple question about you repeating and defending Nazi propaganda, which can only harm Palestinians - you claim that the issue of the importance of using Nazi propaganda to help Palestinians will only be settled by comparing the signatures on your 'petition' with that of Tony Greenstein's.
A more time-wasting, trivial and pointless exercise it would be hard to dream up.
However, it's still a simple enough question Mary -
- how does disseminating Nazi propaganda about the unpopularity of Jews 65 years ago help Palestinians today, instead of harming them?
ps
please stop using Palestinians as human shields and sandbags to hide your pro-Zionist racism behind.
I can quite understand the relatively weak and defenceless Palestinians not wanting to upset anyone, or to take sides etc, and I don't think they should be required to justify or approve of other people's activities in such a manner.
Picking on poor weak defenceless people in this way is abominable, and is no better than exploitation.
then, this is TONY:
It's clear that Ellen Rohlfs and from Hajo Meyer haven't a clue what they signed or even if they signed. Ellen Rohlfs wrote to me to say she hasn't signed anything and from what Hajo posted it is clear he thought it was something else entirely.
Meanwhile Mary wets her knickers about her precious list of 200 being unmasked even further, and that after she had to take The Radical Press off.
Mary wonders why I highlight this when the siege of Gaza goes on, but I didn't. It was Mary Rizzo and fellow racists who decided to get up this absurd 'petition', not to protest Israel's barbarities but the fact I dare to criticise the '2 outstanding personalities'.
And then they get some toerag of an academic from Southampton University to post dense and meaningless waffle, deliberately designed so that noone can understand it.
What have I done? Well I don't like to boast but how about being a founder member of PSC, being the main target of the Union of Jewish Students (whose banning actions Atzmon supports) forming the Labour Committee on Palestine which persuaded the 1982 Labour Party Conference to support a democratic, secular state in Israel/Palestine, never losing a debate with Zionists on Palestine or maybe even persuading Britain's 2nd largest trade union to support Boycott (which her friend Atzmon opposes as 'book burning').
Now where was that list Mary? Oh I know - attack any Jewish anti-Zionist I come across. Yes, well I suppose that is an achievement Mary but how does that help the Palestinians?
Tony Greenstein
and Tony's penname:
It is also clear that what Hajo Meyer writes has nothing to do with the petition! He opposes Zionism unlike the anti-Semites Atzmon and Rizzo. And in case Mary denies it, what is an 'ethnic activist' other than a Jew?
and my reply:
Tony Greenstein and Joe Kane,
for the last time, since you seem to be so dense that you continue to disseminate the rumour and lie as if it were true:
Shraga Elam duped you, Greenie. You thought you could get him to do your dealings for you, but what happened? He found out that they both signed. He passed along your weird guilt by association stuff, and they thought they signed something else. Turns out:
1) they both signed.
So, Shraga lied that they were forged and you know it, but you continue to pass it along as if it were true, and if Shraga is not correcting you, you are both farting around with one another.
2) Ellen was pressured to taking her name off because of insinuations by Elam that Broder would use it against her. She is 80 and wrote "I don't want any trouble". IF that is not horrible and doesn't make you quiver, you are sick. She asked Walid and I to take the name off and we did. She wrote both Gilad and I supportive letters where she totally put down Shraga. I sent one of them to others, (Enrique for instance) and they can testify that she said something extremely negative about Shraga's mental state. Ask Enrique if this is true. He will give you the truth, but don't pressure him into showing you the letter, since it was not addressed to him. I would not be pressured by Shraga to put it up, even AFTER Ellen wanted to just drop the issue because she now fears Shraga will sick someone on her. NICE WORK guys!
3) Hajo Meyer also INCLUDED as an attachment (ask Shraga) the exact petition he signed. It is the one that you detest. He said he indeed did read it and stands by everything in it. He said any other signing is a fake, but certainly NOT that one.
4) you know all of this and you continue to lie, as well as insult anyone who thinks what you do is disgusting.
5)Joe, by supporting all of this, you stand by a liar. That is what you need to know. If he lies about this, he lies about anything else he wants. As to disseminating Nazi lit, it is Shraga and Greenslime who do and have done, not me.
Joe, do you know history? Are you suggesting that there was not widespread hatred of Jews in Europe? Read this is you want a kosher view on it.
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=c...clnk&cd=9&
gl=it
I just clicked on the first one that cropped up on a search, Jews, Hatred, Hilberg. So, if you think that admitting that this was indeed an historical fact is racist, then you have severe problems of understanding anything about history!
The rest of Joe's text I'm ignoring, as it's idiotic. Tony's bragging about himself is a riot!
I won't do the same. Tony can ask some of the Palestinians he so despises on my list just what I "do" and I don't do all of it in public for getting praise like he does, so he should just feel ashamed. I'm not so important that I need to brag. Other p
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=c...clnk&cd=9&
gl=it
I just clicked on the first one that cropped up on a search, Jews, Hatred, Hilberg. So, if you think that admitting that this was indeed an historical fact is racist, then you have severe problems of understanding anything about history!
The rest of Joe's text I'm ignoring, as it's idiotic. Tony's bragging about himself is a riot!
I won't do the same. Tony can ask some of the Palestinians he so despises on my list just what I "do" and I don't do all of it in public for getting praise like he does, so he should just feel ashamed. I'm not so important that I need to brag. Other people might just actually consider Gilad or I outstanding, and if they do, they have their reasons.
No one considers Tony as such though, and this is a fact!
fact-check your stuff now Tony. Ask Enrique if it is indeed true about Ellen and Hajo. See where you and your friend are leading one another on the drive to bring Gilad and me down. So far, you only fail. EVERY single time, and you are being exposed for it too.
You open a blog against up rather than do anything useful. This is worse than Joe doing his usual nothing but suck up to you! PS, remember to tell Joe that Gentile is less offensive than "non-Jew" linguistically.
Holy crap, it's worse than you told me, Mary. Where do they get the fuckin nerve? Glad you uploaded my suggestion, That's my girl! Isn't it true that the Beat lyrics are all about The Mayor of Simpleton and his idiotic Swiss Mister? I got a jolly good laugh out of it all just listening to it again. Give me some time and I'll come up with some more.
I'm glad you got that Natacha stuff up. Didn't you like my suggestion for Visions of You or can't you find it? (Still looking for the unnamed Jah Wobble mp3 I told you about to upload somewhere, no luck just yet, I've got some Invaders stuff that I've found lying around the flat, demos and shit so I'll check and see if I can upload it without getting sued or whatever! Eggar says he's got more shit to send you this week, some outtakes, videos and stuff but he wants to send it by post on a disk cuz he says it's mega huge and will take up loads of space. Can I tell him to go ahead and send it or would you rather have it on a computer? Don't answer me here, I'm going to call you later, (around 5 my time okay?) so get the simcard I sent you in there. If you have stuff to do, I'll talk to you in a few days. I don't get Giorgio today, so I'm not really that happy. Forever yours!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I...h?
v=Iv_hHrvCKwM
didja see this luv?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=8...feature=related
the whole episode was brilliant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=l...feature=related
the comments on Manchester are classic too
Mary my dear, we are dealing here with bullies, liars, abusers, exploiters, racists, tribal campaigners. In modern English, the Jews who are engaged in these activities are called Zionists.
Greenie and Shraga’le are Sayanim . Let them enjoy their Purim.
Inshalha they chose this year the costume of ordinary human being (something they fail to be all year long). Give them a chance, give them 3 days, if we are lucky, they may come after purim and say sorry.
Best
Gilad
Greenslime still insists on his blog that he is heroic, and forbids me from using the word "liar". But when one lies, one is a liar. For the rest of his ranting, it is as if one is talking to a wall. Thick as a damned brick. (Jah, are you going to start in with that song? should I check it out?)
Of course they don't know that the word sorry means, Gilad. They are waiting for the world to come and thank them for being great.
For sure Greenslime is a liar but in comparison to his other traits, this one is relatively mild. Shoplifting from a corner shop is far worse, stealing a credit card of a fellow worker is far worse, trying to destroy the PSC is kind of worse and worse of all, the pathetic kosher looser is always caught in action.
"Of course they don't know that the word sorry means, Gilad. They are waiting for the world to come and thank them for being great."
Mary, Purim is not over yet, let's us not give hope...
Amazing footage captured on video... rather than wait for Purim, Mary (thecutter) takes on Greenstein, Newman, Sands, Shraga and Joe90 in a battle to the death......
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB3p2m0VkvQ
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