Hi Mary, you think that's funny!
Read Dubya Bush's latest Zionist deception:
Hoping to lessen Muslim world’s hatred against his ‘Israel-First’ government’s foreign policies under the garb of ‘War on Terrorism (read ‘War Against Islam)’ – Dubya Bush has announced his intention to name an envoy to the world's pan-Muslim organization (OIC), asserting that the US and Islam are not on collision course. (reported by The Washington Post reported on Thursday, June 28
I expect AIPAC and ADL may recommend, Daniel Pipes, Lewis Bernard or Cheryl Bernard (Jewish wife of Bush’s best ‘Afghan’ in Baghdad) - for that coveted post!
So of course the official Hamas position is that they can't deal with Blair because he's part of the Bush-Zionist-Crusader conspiracy. I get that.
So the plan will be middlemen again. They will ask Abbas to talk to Blair for them, hoping this will shake some money loose, and try to make out to their supporters as if they're not doing this.
If it were not for the massive human suffering in Gaza, I could find the theatrical aspects of this amusing in a Shakespeare-Monty Python sort of way.
PITY - Zionist thugs are still licking their Hizb'Allah inflicted wounds.
http://www.counterpunch.org/
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http://www.haloscan.com/
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Israelite, It should argue in "Freedom of Speech is Under Attack! The People's Voice Needs Support!!".
Israelite, It is a place denouncing "Blair Mandelson Straw and Levy" here.
Palestinian has the Absolute Right Of Return to the land of their ancestors.
Palestinian has an absolute right to return in Palestine.
mj: hamas will talk with anyone. It is Blair who refuses to speak with THEM, they are on some kind of Blacklist.
He's hardly a neutral party. He has to talk to everyone. He has to be an intermediary, not promote the ideas of one group over another.
Hamas will talk just like Hitler talked. The world learned to its sorrow that there are times that talk only allows Fascists time to work out attacks.
You don't talk to Hamas, you kill Hamas. You don't talk to supporters of Islamic fascism, you merely denounce them.
Israelite. I told everyone here that anytime anyone uses the identities of other posters for any reason, they get sent to gehennah. Their posts become trash, compost, destroyed. Couldn't play the game right and follow simple rules seeing as how my tolerance for you has been enormous? It's your own fault and you have no one but your own cheating and disgusting ways to blame.
Mutant Mohammedan Shaukat,
Do you really think Mary is a machine reader?
Just stop telling here read this and read that...
But perhaps Mary is a sex machine, ain't she?
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Blair is Bush's poodle. In fact, his toy poodle.
I don't really get you.
Do you mean that I published that post in the name of Shaukat? Just explain yourself.
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I must be naive. Cutter says Hamas will talk to anyone. Does that include Israel? Is it really the case that Hamas will talk to Israel? I understand that Israel will not talk to Hamas. Doesn't the Hamas charter present a problem here?
Isn't the problem with getting Hamas and Israel in the same room comparable to getting Israel and the PLO in the same room pre-Oslo? Wouldn't large sections of Hamas supporters consider the Hamas leadership to have betrayed them if Haniyeh and Olmert were photographed shaking hands?
Or have I missed what cutter was trying to say?
It still comes down to middlemen, doesn't it?
mj, read the interview with the leader of the Hamas, Meshaal. It is evident who is avoiding sitting down at a table with the other.
http://peacepalestine.blogspot.c...ss-
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How can Hamas 'talk like Hitler'? Hamas is Muslim resistance group fighting to recover what was stolen from them by the European Jewish hordes - While Hitler not only was of Jewish blood but supported by 150,000 German Jews and Zionist facists.
Israelite, besides not needing to "explain" to an adult that says, "I promise not to post here again", but does so like a serial killer, compulsively, that insulting people and calling them pigs, nazis, whores, fuckers, etc is not allowed. Av knew this rule as well, but since I got a bit slack, started in again on it, basically because he's got a crush on you or something and wanted to prove his tuff side to ya.
Anyway, you have posted as other people, even after I have said this would make all future postings from the person doing this go directly to trash as soon as I had time. You have spammed the board with these human spam posts (repetetive and using other people) for far too long, and now you want to act as if poor innocent you is not allowed to explain his ideas to progressives.
I will be deleting you and Av from now on. I would appreciate it if posters here would just ignore their provocations, because one of the reasons I stopped deleting them was to let the responses to them make sense. It take cooperation to make things function, and I would appreciate people helping me to cut down the abusive content as much as possible. Please collaborate here, even if they are provoking. They will be deleted when I get time to do it, so just be patient and ignore them in the meantime.
To Dean and the others who agree with them, but are somewhat less aggressive, you can read them on Zionist blogs, and actually become friends. Be careful of slipping into the same behaviour or you will find yourselves globbally deleted as well.
Shaukat, do you believe the lies you post?
What was stolen from Hiz? Should Israel just do nothing when a terrorist organization crosses their border and kidnaps its soldiers? Only a moron like you would stick to some sort of story like Hiz really proved something other than they are idiotic killers who can give away all of their best laid plans and new tactics while gaining very little in the process and bring death and major destruction upon themselves.
It is a well documented fact that of all the high ranking officials in the Nazi party there was only 1 with distant Jewish heritage and it wasn't your hero Hitler. In actual fact the Nazi was just as through in cleaning Jews out of Germany and it's government as they were in making sure all people they didn't like got disappeared everywhere they had the power to do that.
cutter, Hamas can make a single statement here and there for the English speaking media and it means absolutely nothing. Until they change their charter and actually make a move of some sort of significant change that does anything other than prove they are only focused on killing why should anyone believe otherwise? Hamas has been proving they are every bit as corrupt as Fatah and that they are more ruthless than Fatah. PalArab on PalArab death count for this year is unofficially at474 including 26 Women and 29 Children.
Along with those almost 500 people the PalArabs have also managed to pretty much close down the free press in the territories this year, continued to demolish their economy and rob their own children of chance of a normal life with constantly teaching them the sort of garbage the Shaukats of the world believe to be true.
The only hope for these people is to completely give up on this crazy dream of Palestine and a 1 state solution. There isn't even a chance for a 3 state solution. Their best bet would be to sell whatever they can to Israel in all of the territories and head for other nations and give up on all hope of another Islamic state. Once they give up this crazy dream that no other Arab nation really believes in peace can be a real option. So far the PanArab nationalism is nothing more than a desire to kill Jews and erase a nation that has every right to exist and can be a leader in the region.
Cutter: When I asked you this question previously you posted this interview from Meshal. I have read it again. At no point does he state he will speak to Israel. When asked by the interviewer if Hamas will negotiate, he says,
"accords have led nowhere."
The closest he comes to saying what you want him to say is,
“That depends on Israel, not on us. If it is willing to acknowledge the rights of the Palestinians, to live freely on their own lands, then peace is at hand. We’re ready. But are they?”
So the precondition for talks is that Israel must "acknowedge the right of the Palestinians to live freely on their own lands." What that means, Meshal describes below when he's asked about what the charter means.
So Hamas won’t acknowledge Israel, will it?
“No, we won’t do it. Israel was born from an aggression, an occupation of another’s lands.”
Your statute calls for the destruction of Israel. It was said that, in view of the elections, you would delete that paragraph written in 1988.
“You westerners are wrong: the statute doesn’t invoke Israel’s destruction at all. In Arab it is written, “ to put an end to the Israeli occupation of Palestine”. We don’t want to get rid of the other, we only wish to attain our rights. So, that paragraph will remain.”
So the precondition for talks is that Israel acknowledge that it has been illegally occupying Palestine, which means that Israel must acknowledge that it is "born of an aggression," and unless it does this before the first meeting, Hamas and Israel can't meet, even to insure that trucks of food get across the border or to say what address it wants money sent to.
See, Cutter, I read the stuff you post, and I can read English. I am not engaging in some post-modern deconstruction of Meshal. I can in fact read the plain meaning of the text.
An article on the Hamas charter.
israelite, you know full well that you posted a ton of rubbish using other people's names. This is not allowed AT ALL. Thus, I take no orders from you. I take none from you at all, who abuse your rights. You have no rights here, you blew them to bits when you violated again and again the terms. As well, If I've deleted your game playing, how can I have evidence of it now. You know you did it, others know you did it, and I can post your IP numbers up here to bring you abuse of your own if this is what you push me to.
MJ, I'll get back to your points later. Hamas has been open to talks, and it's even in this and many many other interviews. Israel has NEVER said that it will talk to Hamas unless Hamas "recognises its right to exist", in this terminology, you must understand, they are asking the oppressed and deported to recognise that the oppressor had the right to do it. Is this quite fair? We know "right to exist" is a totally loaded phrase, and later, I'll get into its real meaning according to Israelis. Perhaps you've heard it so much, it doesn't make you reflect on what it really means. Israel and Palestinians know full well. They are like Israelite, liars and cheaters, and they occupy the place of others to abuse arrogantly.
Yet, mj, what does this sentence mean to you?
We already are dealing with the Israelis, as regards municipalities, for practical reasons. Hamas doesn’t reject talks. It’s Israel’s philosophy that impedes us from negotiating. So, there’s nothing left for us but resistance.
Shaukat believes that every word comes from Baron Rothschild, Herzl, Weissman, Abe Foxman and down to every stupid Talmudi employed by ADL ...has been proven wrong as Talmud's sick allegations against prophet Jesus (as) and his mother Saint Mary.
Cutter:
I'm in the middle of Saturday household duties, one of which is maintaining my Internet connection. So this is going to be brief. Thanks for reading my posts and responding.
I recognize that the phrase "right to exist" is loaded, as are other phrases used by both sides. And that the phrases are loaded with different meanings by both sides. Therefore, it seems to me to be impractical to focus on the
hypothetical conditions stated by either side as to why they would talk to the other side, as both sides appear to use language that sets up preconditions which are impossible on the other side.
So I like your suggestion better. You ask me what the phrase, "We are already dealing with the Israelis, as regards municipalities, for practical reasons" means to me. Well, I am inclined to yield to your expertise here. What does it mean? Which municipalities (in West Bank, in Gaza, or both?) And for what practical reasons?
Does the date of the interview have a role in interpretation of the phrase? Help me with the timeline. The interview is in January 2006. That's after the election but before the formal establishment of Haniyeh and his cabinet, right? So Meshal saying "we" at that point could mean "what the PA is doing right now," which would not be what Hamas would be doing later,but what the Fatah-led government was doing in January 2006. And the Fatah-led government *did* have practical relations with Israel at the municipal level, didn't it?
At this moment (June 30, 2007) do Hamas lower-level officals have any practical relations with Israeli lower-level officials at the municipal level, and if so, of what do these consist?
FurGaia:
I found your post very helpful. Are there links to English texts of any of the recent Hamas documents cited therein?
What I take from Paul Delmotte is that Hamas really does accept an eventual two-state solution according to the 1967 borders and eventual recognition of Israel, but it wants to extract a high price for the final recognition, and that the West misunderstands this.
The reason for thinking this, according to Delmotte, is that Hamas has made a number of statements implying de facto recognition of Israel, and that the recent statements invoke U.N. resolutions as opposed to Islamic arguments, implying that Hamas is being drawn into the logic of everything the U.N. has done, including the original partition and creation of Israel.
So the first question I have for anybody in the room (meaning anybody who keeps the pigs, dogs, and scatology out of it) is, am I reading Paul Delmotte right?
And the second is, do you think Paul Delmotte is reading the situation right?
If I were persuaded that the answer to both of the above is "yes," I would feel some cause for optimism. But I'm not there yet.
Every time I look at eyewitness news reports it reinforces my view of what's essential and what isn't here.
Three-quaters of Gaza's people are being fed by the UN? That would explain why Hamas rhetoric is drifting into UN-speak, if Paul Delmotte has got that bit right.
From Steven Gutman, AP:
Hundreds of tons of humanitarian aid have arrived in Gaza in the days since Hamas's takeover. But the territory's borders are closed for commercial trade indefinitely, all but killing any prospect of development for Gaza's 1.4 million people...
Kalashnikov in hand, Hamas fighter Abu Bilal guarded the perimeter of Gaza's main cargo crossing into Israel last week and said he and his comrades will never coordinate with the Jewish state.
“We're wanted by the Jews,” he said as he watched members of a U.N. aid agency and of defeated Fatah bring in an emergency shipment of wheat from Israel.
Senior Abbas aide Saeb Erekat of Fatah has the crucial task of coordinating with Israel the entrance of humanitarian aid into Gaza. But Fatah's assistance only covers basic needs, and Gaza's exports are strangled.
Hamas, aware that Israel would never trust it to conduct required security checks on outgoing goods, now says it would like Fatah to take responsibility for Gaza's borders.
No deal, says Erekat.
“What do I have in Gaza? I was defeated. They stripped my pants and took my guns. I don't exist in Gaza,” he said. “This coup d'etat must end in order to speak about an economy and a future.” ...
John Ging, the head of UN aid operations in Gaza, said the world must find a way to keep Gaza's borders open for trade.
“Already we are feeding 1.1 million out of Gaza's 1.4 million people,” he said. “But we'll be feeding the rest of them if the economy is killed.”
There is no economy and no reason for Israel to do anything to revive it.
No reason for the world to do anything until the inhabitant revoke their charter of genocide.
Let them die by their own hands.
That will teach us a lesson.
mj, unfortunately I can't help you there. Sorry!
Everyone is so focused on Hamas' declaration to destroy the state of Israel. Personaly, I think that what was said in the above interview on the subject was some not so clever twisting of words. Hamas wants a Palestinian state in replace of Israel. However, I think that this stance is understandable..not per say just or acceptable.... given the history of Zionism in Palestine. No one focuses much on how the early Zionist between 1900 and 1913 wrote and spoke about the Jewish State in Palestine for Jews only. No one talks about the countless statements made by Israeli PM's declaring that all Arabs need to be thrown out of Istael. Every force is met with an equal and oposite force. Isreal, and the Zionist movement that created it was and is not some peace loving movement. How do you expect Hamas to recognise a country whose very creation implied the removal of Arabs from Palestine?
That being said, it is clear that there are many obstacles to hurdle in order to obtain a peace. Pease is a urgent need in the region. It is not something that can be obtained through war.
Both sides of the conflict need to open their minds and accept that their actions contributed to the current situation. In order to truly make peace with an enemy one needs to step into their shoes and understand why they did what they did. Events do not occur in a vacuum, and the majority of the time a person acts toward us in reaction to what we have done; wheter we are aware of our actions or not. There has been a progressive push and shove interaction over the last hundred years between the Arabs and Jews in Palestine. This progression has led us to the situation today. Unless both sides try to understand the viewpoint of the other, and drop the "I am right, and they are wrong" attitude there will not be peace.
Gavrilo Princip was not Jewish - Sounds a bit like Madeleine Albright syndrome...hiding Jewish past. Very interesting!
"Hey Zionist moron - not only President Abraham Lincoln was Jewish, his killers were are also Jewish - agents of Baron Rothschild," - says Abe Foxman, national director ADL
I am trying to be careful about what topics I address in here, and who I address it to. But as far as Gavrilio Princip goes, as the saying goes down here, "I don't have a dog in that race" as far as his ethnicity goes.
I am wondering why this is being addressed to me, unless the (unstated) claim is that World War I was started by Jews for their own advantage. That's just silly.
Heretical Jew:
I enjoyed your post. Apparently we read texts in a similar manner. But more importantly, it seems to me that you've come to the core of the thing. I was raised, like all of us were, with sympathies in the present matter, and like all of us, it is difficult for us to distinguish which part of that sympathy comes from enculturation and which part would survive detached claims about justice.
I agree that a prerequisite of peace is to try to understand the viewpoint of the other side. Given that I think that's very important, perhaps one can infer my initial sympathies by working backward from the point of view I am trying very hard to understand. But don't let anyone think that I don't understand the other point of view.
It seems to me that when I describe the status quo on the ground as of today, rather than go over old ideological debates, both sides fall into a sort of embarrassed silence. I am wondering why that is.
MJ
It seems to me that when I describe the status quo on the ground as of today, rather than go over old ideological debates, both sides fall into a sort of embarrassed silence. I am wondering why that is.
I am not sure exactly what you are refering to by this statement.
By understanding the other persons side I mean that we need to understand what actioins, usualy ours, motivated theiir actions. Nothing occurs in a vacuum. The rise of Arab Nationalism at the exclusion of a Jewish presence in Palestine came in response to virulent Zionism that preached the expulsion of Arabs. Zionism created Hamas. The presence of Hamas further bolstered Hawkish Ministers in the Israeli government, and the cycle continued.
It is not a matter of ideologival discussion, but a analysis of the sequence of events that occurred in a push and shove manner that led us to the current situation in Palestine.
HJ:
I realize that I came across as pretty arrogant with that comment. My apologies. Let me try to be clearer.
I have tried to put what I read in this blog in the context of the day's events, what is going on in Gaza and with the politics on this day, or this week. I have been particularly interested in the humanitarian situation in Gaza because I think one ought to be interested, and I have been interested in the checkpoint not only because it has to do with the humanitarian situation, but because I'm an international economist who works on practical problems such as trade facilitation, because things go wrong with customs checkpoints at borders all over the world. This is not the only place in the world where trucks pile up for an unreasonably long period of time, but the reasons are unique.
It seems when I post on the question of why it's not possible easily to get food and supplies into Gaza today, July 1, and what could be done on either side, people respond by telling me about the 1970s or the 1940s or the 1910s or whatever. I know all this stuff. Not all, but enough.
I understand about the sequence of events, and the push and shove, and why there are reasons for taking the story to the beginning of the 20th century as you have done in your last post. I actually appreciate the importance of history in general.
But when I look at the fact today trucks are piled up, and exporters have to air-drop in food and medical supplies beyond the checkpoint because (as I am now very clear) neither Israel or Hamas agents at that very low level will speak to each other at the other end of a walkie-talkie to make it work, at some point somebody should stop using their narrative about what somebody said in England 100 years ago, or in New York 35 years ago, or in Oslo, or *whatever,* as an excuse.
Ok, that I understand. I agree it is important to deal with the here and now. All the more so given the current humanitarian crisis. I just saw a video about a tomato farmer who constantly has to sell his product in Gaza at much lower prices because his trucks are held up in checkpoints. He can sell the fruit at a higher price for export but since the fruit sits at the border for hours it is not approved for export and he is forced to sell it locally for a fraction of what he would sell it for export.
MJ, you have to also realise that Isaelis are taught - yes, TAUGHT, that Palestinians are terrorists and animals by nature. It's not the odd Av or Israelite here, they feel that an Arab presence is a life threat, and needs to be treated with brutality. Things are only slightly better for Palestinians living in Israel, where they are humans, but second class citizens.
MJ, you have to also realise that Isaelis are taught - yes, TAUGHT, that Palestinians are terrorists and animals by nature. It's not the odd Av or Israelite here, they feel that an Arab presence is a life threat, and needs to be treated with brutality. Things are only slightly better for Palestinians living in Israel, where they are humans, but second class citizens.
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We are not taught that the so-called and self-designated Palestinians are animals. This is a lie and of course an insult to animals. Read books written for Israelis and books written for so-called and sel-designated Palestinians and see the difference. They are taught that we are animals: pigs and monkeys. Shall I present here some clips? There are many. Shall I present here Hamas Micky. I did it time and again here, and time and again you've removed them, probably because you wanted to hide it from people like mj.
So-called and self-designated Palestinians are savage and violent especially because of their religion which needs a profound reform.
Av is not Israeli. Is that clear?
And you should generalise about Israelis because of the two of us. There are more than six millions Jews in Israel.
I know very well your use of language which is never candid and only serve as a tool for propaganda. But don't think the world is filled with fools to whom you can peddle your rubbish.
At present there are twenty one Arab countries, and in none of them will you find a country in which the none-Arab citizens to be of first class citizens, as you put it.
This is not Europe. This is the Middle East. Get it into your mind. Jews have never been treated equally in a Muslim or Arab country. This is in profound contradiction to the Qur'an. The Israeli Arabs have a better life and rights than in any Arab country. They enjoy freedom of speech, the right to vote to whomever they want, which no citizen of other Arab countries enjoy, and more. Of ocurse Israeli Arabs could have achieved much more if they were loyal citizens of Israel. And they are not. Look at the Druze population in Israel, how they thrive and prosper. This is because most of the Druze accept Israel as their country and spend their time building it and themselves, while the Israeli Arabs are engaged in unrealistic dreams and accusations.
It is important to remember that before the first Itifada and the Oslo Accord Arabs had good life. And their standard of living was much higher than that in any Arab country.
You cannot judge their conditions in European terms. Their condition should be judged by Arab terms.
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this comment was permitted to remain only because it is relevant, and the insulting is directly related to the claims made. It also demonstrates the lies and propaganda that Israeli supporters and Israelis believe.
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Israelite, I am NOT kidding when I ask this, are you loosing it? There is something very strange about your ranting in the wind you know, and again I am NOT kidding. Do you spend ALL your time here because your behavior is strange don't you think?
HJ:
Yeah, that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. Border clearance problems are particularly bad for people who are trying to export perishable produce like tomatoes. Two years ago the big deal in Gaza was supposed to be greenhouses, same problem.
I can't believe that Mary has outed herself as a lying sack of shit!
"MJ, you have to also realise that Isaelis are taught - yes, TAUGHT, that Palestinians are terrorists and animals by nature."
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What utter bullshit.
But I guess when you have to keep apologizing for the antisemitic rantings arab youth are exposed to in the home, school, mosque and streets of every arab nation, I guess you have to find some straw to keep from drowning in arab shit.
When Av says, "Arabs have the right to die", he talks like a proper Nazi. And, this is what people are taught... that it is NORMAL for Palestinians to be considered subhuman, hated for existing, and being worthy of nothing but death. Why am I lying when this is the message that gets out? It is the unfortunate truth, supporters of Israel and Israelis are taught to hate Arabs and Muslims and Palestinians.
Israelite, you have abused my board for months, posting as others, calling others every name under the sun, and telling others what they MUST do, or they will get your internet terrorism. The posts you passed off as others were from your IP. That is enough for me. You know the rules. Av knows that calling people Nazi is a rule that has been in force for ages. Both of your have been tolerated long beyond what is normal. Your rants deserve flushing.
Cutter:
I am continuing to respect your wishes about who to address and who not to address correctly. Of course I can read other people's posts. I thought it was striking, though, that when I read your post about "what Israelis are taught," I had already had all these ideas before scrolling down to the next post.
First, shouldn't we avoid over-generalizing? In a country of millions of people, does every parent teach their children the same thing? I can accept that there may be things in the media that most people are exposed to. If you asked me, "What are American children taught about Muslims?" I would answer, "It depends which children, and they get more than one message."
Second, it seems almost inevitable that when somebody says "you *must* realize this is what Israelis are taught about Palestinians" somebody else is going to say "you *must* realize what Palestinians are taught about Israelis." And then it would seem to me that in a reasonable discussion you'd talk about both things at once. I hope "Heretical Jew" would agree with me on this much.
Third, I already know about Hamas Mickey Mouse, who is known as "Farfur." He was killed off in his final episode last week on Hamas TV by an "Israeli agent" who was labeled a "terrorist" and a "killer of children."
Look, I'll go ahead and post the links. Since Cutter has brought up the topic of what people are taught about the other side, and how that interferes with peace, I really don't believe the slander that she would take links like this down.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4...h?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l...related&
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Pray tell...who is Mary Rizzo?
Mj... yes I agree with you that both sides need to be told at the same time. The same teaching of hate goes on in Israeli institutions and homes as goes on in Gaza. Both are wrong, and are obstacles to peace.
Regarding this Farfur character.....it is pathetic and not worth discussion. Finaly a video production that makes Uncle Moishe look professional in comparison. Those that produce such dribble, refering to Farfur, do not represent the whole of Arab society just as those who spread hate towards Arabs do not represent the total of Jewish society.
MJ, there is a post about the translation (or NOT) of the Farfur show.... Memri production (I know you think they are accurate, because I saw something T forwarded to me by you a few years back on VDforum). It's on the sidebar here. let me find the url...
http://peacepalestine.blogspot.c...fire-
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Mary,
It is just unbelievable.
Cannot you answer a simple question? Just answer this with yes or no:
Is the post which you refuse to remove(about Gavrilo Princip) was send by me?
Just answer yes or no.
If you don't respond to this post it would mean that the answer is No
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Will Mary remove the above post for the second time?
_look, Israelite. You come in here, you have played around posting as many people. You call people pigs, whores and much worse. You push and push and break all rules of common decency. On so many occasions, I've asked you to behave. On so many occasions, you just become like a belligerent toddler. I deleted you and told you that all posts by you in the future would get the same treatment because of the gross violations of policy. I've told Av that he can't call people nazis. You both violate the rules again and again and just harass the posters here. Enough. Any time I have time, I will delete you, that's that. No more explanations. You had more than enough opportunity to act decently, and now you want to fixate on some obsession of yours on a post I didn't even read carefully (I read all the posts in one sitting, so I don't check all the links, nor do I get involved in every discussion). You have to realise, Israelite, you put yourself in this situation. I say, lighten up, get a nice girlfriend or hobby and regain any sanity you might have left. Spare your spleen and my patience._______________________________________
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The right to die is the only God given right there is.
The Israelis have given the Jews the right to live in Israel. We depend on no outside source to guarantee that israeli given right.
As the UN will not enforce any particular edict it makes, then those edicts are not rights, just piss in the wind.
Mary Rizzo's generalizations are the ravings of a supporter of Islamic fascism who has lost it.
Who came blame her for her break down when she has to defend the non-existent rights of a people whose sole agenda is a second holocaust of the Jews?
You can not defend a people who are united for the sole purpose of killing Jews. Unless you're raving mad.
I hear you're looking for Barky's doctor. Need some pills?
Cutter: I read your post on MEMRI, by Brian Whitaker of the Guardian. It's nice to know that Tracy forwarded to you one of my old VD posts. I haven't been on there in over a year.
Let's see if we can dialogue here. Generally you post something, and I read it and respond to it, and then we seem to move on to another topic.
I understand that there can be differences in translation. Since I don't know Arabic (and I don't think you do either) there is no way for me to know whether MEMRI or the other translator you post has it right. All we can decide is who we sympathize with. But that isn't really a way of deciding which translation is better.
I actually made a point of posting two links, of which one was from MEMRI and the other was from something called "Palestinian Media Watch."
The top link I posted is highly visual. The "Israeli agent" (the one in sunglasses behind the desk) beats Farfur (the cute mouse) to death, not the other way around. There can be no translation issue, just as there can't be with the vast corpus of Arab or Muslim newspaper cartoons which show vampire-fanged Jews drinking the blood of babies. I can see the pictures.
Brian Whitaker says that MEMRI is "usually accurate," (that's your source), and he disputes a particular translation. Depending on the word order, he says one line was not "We are going to annihilate the Jews" but "Jews want to kill us." Honestly, I don't see how that's any better.
To quote yourself, above:
"MJ, you have to also realise that Isaelis are taught - yes, TAUGHT, that Palestinians are terrorists and animals by nature."
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So, at that point you understood that just saying the other people are killers would be a bigoted statement. That seems to make Brian Whitaker's translation point a fairly weak defense of the case that the Farfur broadcasts didn't promote bigotry.
Moreover, there is a huge body of radio and TV sermons and newspaper articles in the Muslim world with the "Jews drink babies' blood, Jews are pigs and dogs" sort of rhetoric. I have a hard time believing that the entire corpus of this material is the result of translation errors.
If you are telling me "don't read MEMRI" then are you saying "don't try to read anything that was originally in Arabic or Farsi"? That seems to really stack the deck. If you know a place that provides translations of the same type of material, please refer me to it.
Cutter:
Are you in fact maintaining that any alleged evidence of bigotry in Arab or Muslim countries' media are the result of translation errors? Or is it possible for the sake of discussion to state that you are aware people say that kind of stuff, and that you object to it for the same reason that you object to Israelis teaching their children to be anti-Palestinian bigots, which is where we started this?
(The last three times I responded to something you posted, you
didn't respond. If you don't respond to this, I will be very reluctant to conclude what your position is. That's why I really hope you do respond.
Respond to him, bitch!
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Mary,
Why do you repeat your rubbish again and again. Do not think that people can be fooled all time.
I have been asking you a simple question, time and again, whose answer is very simple Yes or No.
This was the last post:
Mary,
It is just unbelievable.
Cannot you answer a simple question? Just answer this with yes or no:
Is the post which you refuse to remove(about Gavrilo Princip) was send by me?
Just answer yes or no.
If you don't respond to this post it would mean that the answer is No
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DO NOT REPEAT YOUR RUBBISH. You have been supplied with the address to this link. The post is a deliberate lie. You should remove it. And again it makes no difference who send it. It is a deliberate lie and intended to smear Jews. So remove, unless of course you support anti-Semitism. How many times do I have to repeat this?
By the way, what do you mean you expect Av to stop calling people Nazi? People here, like lunatic Albert, said that they expect the abject demise of Jews. What exactly did you tell him? Did you remove his post? Did you band him? What do I have to do to persuade you to say something to Shauakt, perhaps delete his posts. Why, he was banded on a Muslim forum, so why cannot he be banned in your blog. We have all noticed Shaukat's deliberate lies and fabrications, even those supporting Arabs.
Let me tell you this, I visited your forum and saw the threads created and used by Shauakt. It is clear that if you allow those publications in your forum, you subscribe firmly to them. Luckly you won't be able to claim that I am beyond these posts, unless Shauakat told me her user name and password.
Mary: get a nice girlfriend or hobby
A hobby? This is my hobby.
See my previous post addressing Lord Piers where I told him about my Christian Aryan looking Russian girlfriend...
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Oh, dry up and blow away, Isarelite. You must be off your rocker.
P.S. Israelite - You forget we know about the child slave trade in Israel. Your "girlfriend" is probably one of these wretched souls to whom you paid a few shekeks for 15 minutes. I bet she´d be amazed to hear herself being refered to as your "girlfriend"!
Yes, there is crime in every nation. But child slavery is the cultural norm in Arab nations.
As is murdering your daughter for the sin of being raped by your son.
This should be interesting. I will be amazed if mj is answered with other than the peepa flip flop answer.
First cutter doesn't really have time to answer such things she is very busy followed by the without occupation meme.
Overstayers Marriage — a Mask for Prostitution?
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1&...&d=2&m=7&
y=2007
Hamas Mickey's Death Shall Not Be in Vain!
http://www.townhall.com/Columnis...t_be_in_vain%
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Vowing vengeance for his friend, Don al-Duck intends to pursue Israelis across Palestinian children's networks, along with his nephews Huey, Dewey and Kablooey.
Beloved by children of all ages, the "mystery gang" in Scoo ibn Du, Where Are You? drives across Palestine in a beat-up Red Cross van unmasking the Zionist plots behind seemingly obvious Islamist attacks. The show contains numerous running gags, including Wafiyyah losing her hijab, Sharif's appetite, and talking dog Scoo's irrational fear of "rary Rews!" The gang's van is always filmed by idiot American journalists as proof of Israeli rocket attacks, and the show always closes with the Zionist conspirators cursing "the meddling kids" before being beheaded.
I would appreciate it if people not resort to ad hominem/ad feminem attacks on the moderator of this blog. Sure, I would like to hear an answer, but I don't want other people's invective appearing to come out of my mouth.
i got interrupted while writing this, so let's try again... this is what happens...
mj, please realise that I have very little access to "quality computer time". I have some very time consuming and tiring jobs and also a family to take care of. In addition, I'm doing many hours of voluntary work. I try to upkeep the blog as best I can, with articles, and the comments I usually leave to when I have the time and energy to contribute. I realise you pose good questions, but at the moment, you will have to try to be patient. If you have a blog, you will understand what this means. I also am very busy with activist translation work, so the blog comments are the last thing I get to, even when I want to do them.
will answer about translation from MEMRI later for sure. Translation is quite a complicated topic. Besides... there is an enormous difference between the legitimate fears of being killed (this is Palestinian reality, like it or not) by the Jews (this is the word that is used, not Israelis), just like Israelis call Palestinians Arabs and not Palestinians, and saying one aspires to kill Jews.
Lastly, I hope you never watch tom and jerry or the road runner. The violence is probably too much.
Thecutter writes:
"just like Israelis call Palestinians Arabs and not Palestinians"
Personaly I am not Israeli. However I do refer to the inhabinants of Gaza and the West Bank as Arabs because there was once a day when both Arab and Jew were Palestinians. For me to designate only the Arabs as Palestinians is not consistenet with my hopes of a one state solution where Arab, Jew, Christian, etc. live under a equitable and free society. I know it is a dream, but one must dream dreams for them to become real. The future is the very product of the dreamers of out world; without them we would still languish in the dark ages.
thecutter:
HJ, it is mistaken to refer to them as Arabs. They consider themselves in their national, cultural identity, which is not generic, it is Palestinian. Just as I believe it would be more precise to call Israelis Israelis, but actually, that would not work in their favour any more, because they would become a nation like other nations, and then would have to be judged just like other nations are, nations where democracy is supposed to mean something, and where Apartheid and segregation are considered to be relics of a colonial, brutal past.
I would like for all to live together in harmony. Part of making this dream come true is to recognise that Palestinians are not generic Arabs that can go to "any one of 22 countries", anyplace but THEIR RIGHTFUL HOME!! THEIR OWN LAND!! No. It is important that Palestinians' rights (even the right to be Palestinian, for all the sacrifice that means) are recognised. This means, being attentive to not "lump them in" as it really just excludes them from what is theirs and pushes them further into desperation and to the margins.
So-called and self-designated Palestinians are Arabs.
There has never been a Palestinian nation, nor a Palestinian language, nor a Palestinian state.
Palestinians are simply Arabs, and the "Palestinian Problem" should be addressed accordingly. This is a reality many tend to adopt nowadays.
This is from the papers:
Eyeing Jordanian involvement, U.S. now rethinking the two-state solution
There are increasing signs, slowly but unmistakably, that the Jordanian option for solving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is once more assuming a central position on the agenda. Not necessarily along its original 'Jordan is Palestine' formula, but in a more sophisticated composition: Jordanian assistance to the Palestinians, the possibility of a confederation. This is no longer the preserve of people on the extreme right or of neo-conservatives, who have never supported the idea of creating a Palestinian state. These ideas are also being considered by more mainstream groups. Even more surprising, there are many senior Fatah members, exasperated with the likelihood that the Oslo process will yet yield results, who are also looking for a way out of the impasse.
Read more... http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spa...ges/
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right, anywhere but their own homes...
Denying that there is a Palestinian people just exposes your utter racism.
Oslo process.... anything but giving Palestinian people equal rights and redressing for ethnic cleansing....
Hmm I posted a comment and it did not appear. I tried posting it again and it said duplicate post. Hmmm.
This was the comment I tried to post. Hopefully with this introduction it will not think it is a duplicate.
There seems to be a problem with the comment section. I wrote a comment and it said the service was not available. This time I will make a copy before I post the comment so I do not have to type this over yet again.
To start off I wouled like to invite you, Cutter, to a dialogue in private via email. I know you are busy, but when you get a moment please email me.
The second is that I did not intend to lump Palestinian Arabs in with all other Arabs. They have their own lineage and herritage unique from Syrian, Saud, Jordanian, or Egyptian Arabs. I call the Arabs because under my view of the region I views Jews and Arabs Palestinians as it was in the early 1900's and earlier.
I hope that clears it up.
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Mary,
I am not a racist. You are a racist and an anti-Semitic and a supporter of Radical Islam. You support not only the destruction of the Jewish State but aslo the Jews themselves all over the world.
To say that the Palestinians are not a nation does not make me a racist. The view is supported by most unbiased scholars. Even The Heretical Jew expresses this view:
They have their own lineage and herritage unique from Syrian, Saud, Jordanian, or Egyptian Arabs...
Hopefully now you're not going to blame this guy as a Zionist. It was you who defended him, while I was attacking him ferociously, for which I apologise, because he proved to be a good asset, for he's clearly telling the truth. So-called Palestinians are not from here. They are Arab occupiers of our dear beloved Land of Israel.
Once for all, there is no Palestinian people. Those you call Palestinian are ARABS.
To say that there isn't a Palestinian language is a truism not racism.
To say that there has never been a Palestinian state is a truism not racism.
The Land of Israel belongs to the Jews. And it is final. We are here for ever, no matter what you say and do, you and your bunch of insane friends.
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Israelite, seems as if you, in your exclusivist longing to the land that Palestinians were (and still are) being ethnically cleansed from for your Lebensraum, you fail to read and therefore comprehend what HJ says. He claims that they have a culture that is distinct and unique from other populations of the region. You just ask any Palestinian (if you ever actually speak to one) where his family came from, you could trace it back 500 years, in almost all cases. And in almost all cases, it is from the same precise village located in Palestine.
Jews can (and should) remain in Palestine if they are willing and able to live as equal citizens with the Palestinians who live there or who were thrown off with the Nakba. If they (you) can't do that, you don't deserve to live there. You are just interested in real estate, not in the blessed nature of a land that is defined by the people who loved and cherished it for generations, long before you came to town.
Isralite
I am sorry to inform you that theCutter has the correct reading of what I said. I said that they have a lineage and herritage unique from Syria, etc.....as in unique and district from the others....not that they are from those areas.
I appologise if my words were misleading.
I do have one question and I reffer you all to my blog to answer this....I have a post regarding it.
In 1947 UNSCOP proposed a two state solution with half of Jurusalem...I assume Eastern Juraslem to the Arab Palestinians. Why was this proposal rejected by the Arab High Council at the time? Also, given that they rejected it then how can they demand it now?
It is a question I got stuck on while doing some reading today.....I think it is a fair one and begs an answer.
HJ, if someone takes your home and then says, "look, we will let you have half of it, take it or leave it", what would you say?
I would say, leave it, and I would reject this act of robbery. I would defend what is mine.
"Accepting" it was basically settling for a resolution, however unfair and however much it does not change the initial act of robbery. Not all "Demand" a two State Solution. In fact, not even all Arab Israelis do. Take the Balad party for instance. They seek a single State. It is erroneous to think that this was something that is the ultimate solution, just as for Israelis, settling for less than everything is not the ultimate solution. But, rather than officially annex the OPTs, they have ruled over them and dominated them savagely. Now they are forcing Palestinians to act as if getting crumbs has been their aspiration.
I suggest you read my No Two Easy Pieces article for my impressions on this issue of territory. http://peacepalestine.blogspot.c...asy-
pieces.html
But, no one took the Arab's home. So Mary's thought process is so much shit.
Tenent farmers do not own the land. But Mary think's they do.
I'm not certain the arabs deserve the crumbs that they will have to settle for, but that is not the point.
They lost the civil war even though they brought in troops from 5 nations. They've lost every war since.
You don't own the restaurant you cook in, not even if your family cooked there for 500 years. Even if the owner hasn't been seen and is rumored to live in Monaco, it is still his. Unless he sells it, even to a Jew.
Even if selling restaurants to a Jew is against the law of your racist country.
This is beyond the ken of Mary and her ilk but you might get it.
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If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither! Let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth, if I do not remember you, if I do not set Jerusalem above my highest joy!
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so now he's religious.... what a bloody hypocrite.
I wish his tongue WOULD cleave to the roof of his mouth, or rather his typing finger be seized by the little death. I go away for a few weeks and come back to find him STILL huffing and puffing like a steam engine, after promising to be gone such a long time ago! When is he going to cast his weary pc asunder?!!!
Cutter,
Thank you for the link. I will look it over. If you have any other documents, or citations regarding those that do not accept a two-state partition solution please email them to me.
Edna
Certain people in the world are here to remind us that we have alot of work to do in order to make it a better place. Remember that this subject on which we embark is a very emotional one and to expect people not to write post such as these is illogical. I do not know Ibraham Av ir Israelite well at all. I do know that Ibraham Av can when he wants respond with thought and intellect as he has on my blog. I have not seen Israelite give anything but insults and rebukes, but I am sure he/she has the capacity to repond in a thoughtfull and edjucated way if the desire presented itself.
Cutter
I can see where one might think that way. However, given the viewpoint that anything less then the return of the entire home is unacceptable the actions of the Palestinian Arabs between 1947 and 1967 in puzzling.
Why was there no Palestinian government set up in the areas occupied by Jordan and Egypt in those twenty years? Even if one were to reject the partition plan then it would have seemed wise to build what you can in the land you have. Afterward, they would have a stong base from which to obtain the rest of the land that they claim as theirs.
It seems to me, and please politely correct me if I am wrong, that the Palestinians have had many chances to gain a stonger foothold in Palestine, but for some reason have not been proactive enough to do so. Granted when under the thumb of Israel they have been very restricted in resources and the ability to build a infrastructure. Howeverr, what about the twenty years under Jordan and Egypt? From the little I have read so far it seems that they were more pre-occupied with fighting each other than preparing for a war with the new state of Israel. If ai am wrong then I am willing to hear you out.
For once will someone tell me who is Mary. I see no post by her...nor any comment. If the Cutter is Mary, then it is not in her profile.
Am I missing something here?
No wise cracks please.
Mary is thecutter.
I wish I had time to reply right now, but I have a gigantic rush job to finish, and will get to things when I am able to, I promise.
There are many articles on this blog and elsewhere that explain all the reasons why an oppressed people are not allowed to even leave their homes during punitive curfews after they protest that Goldstein assassinates them in Hebron, who are arrested with the minimum pretext, or none at all, imagine setting up some kind of state or parastate structure... impossible. A good place to start is www.umkahlil.blogspot.com, www.badil.org and of course, al-awda. Read all things written by Khalid Amayreh, (there is much), Edward Said (may his spirit always live) and many many others.... don't stop searching! You won't get all the answers where and when you ask, but they will come to you when you are ready.
that problem is occurring again. I get a service not available notice when I post. Then I try to post again and it says duplicate.
I understand the current prevailing circumstances today. What I was inquiring about was what happened in the twenty years between 1947 and 1967 that no governmental structure was erected. I understand you are busy and I await your answer in the proper time.
Also I posted a comment on a early post of yours. I do not know if you saw it.
I found your comment revealing to the point of the last sentence.
Is there any literature that describes these conditions under which they lived, and How they were "screwed" by the Egyptians and Jordanians.
Heretical Jew:
Why was there no Palestinian government set up in the areas occupied by Jordan and Egypt in those twenty years?
Simply because so-called and self-designated Palestinians are mere Arabs, and Arabs in both Jordan and Egypt don't really consider those Arabs a people or a nation.
The Palestinian identity is a new concept that has evolved in the sixties, and particularly after the six days war.Palestinian identity is artificial and no Arabs really intend to see such a state in the future. It is only a means to have back lands freed by Israel in 1967.
However, I believe that Palestinians, if allowed, will try to control Jordan, an act which will end any Palestinian statehood by Israel.
Let me ask you a question, Critical Jew, when did the Palestinians refer to themselves as Palestinians?
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Israelite,
You make a good point that the Arab nations seem to have this air of supporting the Palestinians and at the same time look down on them.
Even if they do not recognize their, meaning the Palestinians, claim for statehood it would seem odd that neither Jordan nor Egypt established any strong foothold in the land partitioned east the partition line. If not for the Palestinians then at least for themselves....don't you think?
I would presume, though I need to check into this, that the term Palestinian Arab or if you will just Palestinian started sometime before if not after the end of the Ottoman Empire. Most Arabs living in the Palestinian region of the Ottoman Empire saw themselves as Arab Ottomans. What they called themselves prior to the Ottoman rule I do not know. For absolute, no one called themself Palestinian prior to the Roman Empire naming the region Palestina. No matte what they called themselves over the centuries they still lived there and had heritage there....ever since they took Palestina from the Byzantine Empire
Heretical Jew,
The links suggested here by Mary to further your knowledge of the conflict, are to web sites whose mere objective is to promote the destruction of the State of Israel, and the creation of a Palestinian state instead. To say the least, these web sites are far from being reliable. They are actually an Arab tool for Arab propaganda, where historical facts become lies, where fabrications of lies are the only truth, where Jews, not only Israelis, are the target of hate rehtoric and defamation. This is not the place to learn and increase your knowledge.
I would recommand you to read publication, books and articles written by respectful academic instituations and universities. And still to be critical of what you're reading, for you'll very soon find that even those seemingly respectful scholars have an agenda of their own. You can use Google Search to find a huge body of information.
A good source to start with can be the wikipedia encyclopedia(url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page),
but again read and be critical. Always look for reference.
Now, could you tell me why Mary refuses to remove this post which is a fabrication and intended to smear Jews. Now, I consider you an enlightened and honest person and you should ask her to remove this post or prove that it's true.
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...6983655/
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YOU really should get it in your thick thick skull why I delete you. Emmanuel posts here with his own ideas, you come in AS EMMANUEL with your IP number and post Kill them all, and etc.
You sully the ids of others. That is AGAINST THE RULES, and yes, you know it. You are from now on Officially and completely OUT OF HERE. You think your attitude will save your shitty posts, but it won't. Others are not here for you to play with.
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HJ, they did indeed call themselves Filisteens! Yes, their relationship with the land is timeless, they were deported and assassinated because they were born in land others coveted for all kinds of reasons, very few of them "religious", and this started only ONLY 60 years ago!! It continues today, and people pretend it is not happening, because.... you can criticise anyone, Muslims, Christians, Arabs, Americans, Italians... but you are not, I repeat NOT allowed to criticise Jews. People are afraid to say they see what they see because of the horrible carnage committed against the Jews by WHITE EUROPEANS, NOT BY ARABS!!! But, since these White Europeans and Americans (who would not accept Jews into the US when they were being discriminated against, also because the early Zionist groups frowned down on that, seeking to create a Jewish State and not wanting to disseminate Jews where they might actually be happier) want to cover up their own tracks, they shift all blame for everything to Arabs, to Muslims, to the Culture Clash. Palestinians are paying the price for the evil others do.
They will see justice, and there will always, always be a Palestine. Don't let anyone tell you there will not be. They deny the inevitable, and justice is going to prevail.
Sorry the site is slow... Loads of hits these days, and that complicates it a bit. Just keep trying! I get the same problems.
From Mary's post above:
Now, could you tell me why Mary refuses to remove this post which is a fabrication and intended to smear Jews. Now, I consider you an enlightened and honest person and you should ask her to remove this post or prove that it's true.
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...6983655/
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YOU really should get it in your thick thick skull why I delete you. Emmanuel posts here with his own ideas, you come in AS EMMANUEL with your IP number and post Kill them all, and etc.
My Response to Mary's post:
It is you, Mary, who has a very thick thick skull.
Nay, it's only a game. You are far from being dumb. Very far.
Now, did I say something about deleting my posts? Did I complain? This is what I wrote and I copy it from the head of this post:
Now, could you tell me why Mary refuses to remove this post which is a fabrication and intended to smear Jews. Now, I consider you an enlightened and honest person and you should ask her to remove this post or prove that it's true.
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...6983655/
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You have been evading this dozens of time now, with stupid rubbish manipulations. You just refuse to relate to the Gavrilo Princip post in any way. You don't mean to delete it, hey?
And now as far as I understand the following paragraph:
Emmanuel posts here with his own ideas, you come in AS EMMANUEL with your IP number and post Kill them all, and etc.
you claim that I posted impersonating EMMANUEL while using my IP Address. Do you mean that you checked and saw that my IP Addresss was the same IP Address used by EMMANUEL? Very interesting?
I was just wondering when are you going to say that Gavrilo Princip post was not send by Shaukat but by me. You are as devil as he is. I have exposed here so many lies published by Shauakat, and you've never uttered a word, and now you try to accuse me?
What animal did your mother fuck to have a mutant Whore like you? You are no different than Mohammedan Shaukat, the Greatest Pig Liar of Islam.
Whore of Rome: You are from now on Officially and completely OUT OF HERE
Was I not in this status ever since I have expressed ideas you did'nt like.
I know very well why you don't want me here, and I do'nt need you permission to post. My presence here depends upon the security level of your blog.
And allow me to ask the guy who meddle with your board to go on like that till the Whore of Rome removes the post send by the Muhammaden Shaukat. Go on with that buddy!
Fuck Mary's asshole!!!
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Isn't he making quite the spectacle of himself? Imagine how wonderful he must be to the "animals" whose country his family raped. This is Israel, ladies and gentlemen.
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How is it that Israelite is telling Mary that she is out of here? Who's blog is this? Oh yeah Mary's...right.
The Heretical Jew,
I really don't want to be rude to you because I think you're a nice man and honest, something very much needed here, so why not say something wiser.
This "Whore of Rome:" refers to the person whose words are quoted next.
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HJ, see what I told you about Mary? She will politely lie her ass off giving you a ficticious history full of honey.
After she sucks you in, she will give your daughters to her sons to rape while you watch.
Then she drain your blood.
Smiling politely all the while.
You talk of fictional history but give no examples. Is it fictional that the Arabs lived in Palestine since they took it from the Byzatine Empire in the Seventh Century? Is it fictional history that the Arab population was the majority there until the influx of Jews began after WW I?
I do not deny the right of return for anyone...that includes my people the Jews. They had the right to return to the land from which they were forcefully evicted by the Romans. However, the principle of the Law of Return is quite clear in stating tht such return can not displace or hamper the entry of any other ethnic group native to that land. This is where we went wrong. We saw the return of Jews to Palestine...the former site of Judea....at the exclusion of the Arabs that lived there for centuries. If you wish I will collect quotes from early Zionist that supported a Jewish State free of Arabs. Someone previously said that Arab Nationalism was born from our Nationalism. That is partly true. The Arab's desire for a singular Arab state without a Jewish State was born from our declarations that the Arabs would be ushered out of Palestine. Yet even then the Arabs conceded that Jews could still live in the land so long as they accepted the Arab government and a 1/3 representation is the same. The early, more fanatical, Zionists never conceded anything like that. They wanted nothing less than a singular Jewish State free of Arabs.
Is this fictional? If so then tell me what the real story is.
Surely you don't believe that any particular arab was assisinated by Jews because he or she were born in land others coveted for all kinds of reasons, very few of them "religious", and this started only ONLY 60 years ago!! ???
Since there have been zionist movements throughout the last 1800 years, the 60 year notion is a joke. Political zionism began a little over 100 years ago. The latest attempt to resettle started in the 1860's.
Regardless of the religiousity of the settlers, the return to Zion is based on religious feeling.
Before 1920, most Arabs living in the palestinian region (Notice, their has never been a sovereign nation named Palestine, just a region governed by other recognazable nations) considered themselves to be Syrians. Even the Palestinian nation formed at that time, Jordan, whose population is more than 70% 'palestinian' didn't use the name.
Are you allowed to criticize anyone but Jews? Criticize the muslims, or even limiting it to Islamic fascists and there are riots and people killed all over the world.
Criticize a Jew and you worry about someone thinking you might be antisemitic?
Boo-hoo.
Sense the pattern of Mary Rizzo's polite lies? Ready to become a Rizzite and pledge fealty to her?
We take note that you pledged "fealty" to Nambla some time ago, Av.
And we wouldn't expect you to pledge "fealty" again, Av. Could become quite uncomfortable to split your fealty, and I'm not sure surgery could fix it.
I agree with Joachim Martillo that the zionists are not of semitic descent.
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