Where is the 'anti-zionist' element in your title? I see only the ramblings of a very confused zionist.
He has shown us many times over where he stands, it is certainly not with the people of Palestine despite his claims to the contrary.
Is there no limit to the vulgarity of this individual? If I said, "of this Jew", he would be highly insulted.
He reserves the right to ensure that he always identifies himself in that way, but if anyone else does, they'd be antisemites and yet, The Mayor of Simpleton has got Palestinians sussed out as a people, they'd be wandering around in Syria or Arabia even!
Give him enough rope.
(Thanks for putting I saw the light and the Pixies up, you know how to make my day!)
Forgot to say, sorry about those goals! Couldn't be avoided!!
I know, Steve, the Anti-Zionist part remains a mystery. There's not a kernel of difference to his belief, except with the current thing he's pitching (along with sidekick Joe 90) that Israel is not a Jewish State or State of or for the Jews... apparently, that is all Zionist propaganda. I know it's old news, but it still never ceases to amaze me, and what's just as interesting, on the "progressive" Alef list, no one seems to mind a belief like this. I am even being asked to "take the argument offline", as if this is all a minor point. Well, ok, Alef is just for discussing Jewish identity and the centrality of it to all that goes on in the universe as we understand it, but still, how they let a big one like this slide really is indicative of the fact that Palestinians have got to trust themselves and work towards their goals without the "help" of these warped people such as Tony and Co.
I wonder how cold it gets on the moon!
Simon, I didn't watch the match (not a Roma fan anyway! But still it was better than the last one. I never saw seven goals lined up in a row in anything but the children's league!) I am glad you are glowing today, I can just imagine how Giņ feels! Next time you take him to the match and we will meet outside l'Olimpico, va bene?! xx)
I forgot to say, Jah, you are right that Tony has a very peculiar way that one has to address him. In the court case he brings against Gilad and tried to do against me, he lists the plaintiff (himself) as a Jew! I have NEVER seen anything like this in my life, and I can't believe that he thinks it's normal to do something like that. Tony is an utterly racially oriented guy.
The other day, was watching some tv news, and they kept saying "the Black Senator" (Obama) and it hit me, it's kind of superficial, meaning, it is self-evident. Being Jewish is a matter that is mentioned if it is supposed to have some kind of bearing on things. In life, 99% of the time it has NONE, ZERO, NISBA! But someone who makes every utterance, every action be a consequence of "being Jewish" and others being "non-Jews" or "self-hating Jews", it smacks of racial labelling that nobody would tolerate if it came from anyone else. Tony uses it as a bodysheild, thinking it will keep people off his lying ass. He is wrong. It is just as important as if he were nearsighted or a plumber. It is meaningless, and he tries to give it meaning.
But, he can be deluded about himself, that is not criminal. Pretending to care about Palestinians and saying such crap about them is unacceptable. He is a Zionist, and that is that. A new category? The Self-hating Anti-Zionist Zionist?
Mary, you are kind of right about using Jewishness as a body shield, in his case to give him some political identity that he thinks is going to make his arguments "better". We all know politics are about convincing others that we are right. We want to be loved, and the way to do that is to get others to agree that we are right and know the score, but then again, I don't know, I use it sometimes professionally, rather, I take advantage that others notice it, and with my name they will. I am a shrink and let me tell you, my clients sometimes choose me because of my last name which puts me in "good shrink territory". It generally gets to the second or third session when they ask about me, and some say, "You don't look Jewish". It would be natural to ask, "What does a Jew look like?" just to provoke them, but the thing is, all of us have thought or said "looks like a Jew" and so forth. Tony knows on it and plays it to the f***ing hilt.
Last time someone told me I didn't look like a Jew I answered, "I know, but if I changed my name, people wouldn't think I was a good enough shrink! But if my kid follows my footsteps he fits the bill perfectly" I got a laugh out of it. But, you know all about that stuff. We are visual creatures, we make a composite ethnic profile of everyone we meet in a matter of moments, it's normal.
But, running around with a tag around one's neck is not normal, unless it is done only for instrumental purposes, and we know it is in his case. The Mayor of Simpleton is a proper Jewish Zionist propagandist. What's news there?
Morris intersperses Shapiro's and Tabasky's denigrating commentary among what should properly be a scientific discussion.
At one point, for example, Shapiro appears on screen and abruptly declares, "The man is an anti-Semite.
There are hate-mongers in this country, and he's one of them.
" Nothing in Leuchter's manner, tone, or utterances lends any credence to that charge.
Not until some time later does Morris give Leuchter the chance to say:
Of course I'm not an anti-Semite.
I have a lot of friends that are Jewish.
I've lost Jewish friends, too, because of what's happened.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v18/
v18n5...5p62_Raven.html
Ms. Rizzo, To explain the analysis of "The Leuchter Report", I am not putting it.
I want to insist on Morris Shapiro Tabasky and Greenstein having differences nothing.
I am recognizing that Mr. Atzmon and Mr. Shamir lost almost all Israeli's acquaintances.
I am recognizing that Mr. Eisen lost almost all UK Jewish's acquaintances.
I am recognizing that Ms. Rizzo lost almost all Italian Jewish's acquaintances.
Mary,
I am not judging you, gilad or tony here, but I feel I have to say this
it looks to me that the issue tony/gilad and yourself is too deep into the personal realm to allow for rational analysis of what is said by whom and when.
Anyway, to the point: Tony here aint deniying the palestinians but reather stating the obvious. Were in not for zionism israel would not exist and what is now israel/palestibe would be aither syria, or arabia.
Peace
joe
He didn't say "Israel" would not exist, the argument was the Palestinian people, the discourse of peoplehood. Palestine never would have been Arabia or even Syria, because the identity of a people is linked to how they consider their territorial belonging. Everyone I know who has Palestinian origins was aware of them. Palestinians embrace panarabism, but also a territorial nationalism that is related to their own land and identity as a group, which has nothing to do with another identifying them, but with self-identification in customs, dialect, traditions, location.
NEW ATZMON ARTICLE UP ON MY OTHER BLOG!
http://peacepalestine.wordpress....swindlers-list/
I nearly always agree with you, but just this once, Tony Greenstein has a point. When one throws around phrases like 'the Palestinian (or any other) people', one is on swampy ground. Palestinian identity is a product of Jewish supremacy - it can't be avoided, but it can be questioned.
PS. Can you get rid of that jukebox?
Thanks, Jay
Am I missing something here? Isn't there a logical flaw in Greenslime's sentence - "Palestinian nation or people came into existence as a result of Zionist colonisation of Palestine."
Ms. Rizzo, Do you get the update of "Blogger" stopped?
No, Richard, you are not missing something. He really believes that the people came into existence as a result of outside influence. This is why we know him to be either completely a wreck to any kind of positive Palestinian movement, because he denies the core of their "being", while reserving the right to his own self-determination, he does not recognise the geographical, linguistic and cultural one others have. In a word, he is a racist Zionist and he still doesn't seem to understand that.
As a matter of fact, just yesterday he decided to berate Ismail Zayid, because Dr Zayid signed the petition in favour of Gilad's and my free speech and against Zionist manipulation and any kind of smear campaigns based on calling us anti-Semites without a stitch of evidence to back it up, just some invented crap. Tony has spammed the guy with emails, just like Shraga did to Hajo Meyer and the other 80 year old woman. I asked Dr Zayid if he wanted his signature removed, as I would see to it instantly if that is what he wanted, and not only did he not want it, he wanted to sign the Palestinians are the Priority Petition, which will be relaunched in a week or two. This is Tony's response:
What Mary means is that I e-mailed Ismail to ask whether he stood by what he had allegedly written. He didn't. He has failed to defend any remark that he has made. Ismail is an elderly Palestinian physician in Canada just as Hajo is very old. These are the people that Mary uses, most of whom don't even understand what her petition is about other than the fact that it condemns a wicked Zionist for 'censoring' Atzmon & the other outstanding personality.
The reality is that when Gaza is under siege, when some of us are trying to build a boycott campaign, Mary is trying to build a campaign in support of herself.
You couldn't make it up.
Tony Greenstein
(the comment I left that he responded to)
>>Yup, just as I thought, Ismail got bombarded with your crap Tony. Funny thing is, he doesn't want to take any sides and he is for anyone who is against Zionism. I asked him if he wanted me to remove his name, and he did not want that.
So, bothering those and sending them unsolicited harassment telling them what to do is just thinking you know best what is for them.
Shame on you.
Not only has Tony not seen this blog, where since October, there must be at least 40 posts dedicated to the Seige, as well as many other things about Palestinians, Tony opened a blog during the seige JUST to harass Gilad and me.
You can't make this stuff up!!
NS, so far, still dealing with blogger, in the meantime, check out the other blog, which has ALL of this content, except for the sidebar and the radio Jay hates:
http://peacepalestine.wordpress.com
This is what Joe Kane has to say... in the battle of "up to date scholarship" Palestinians are dependent upon Zionists to tell them who they are, as Greenstein claims. Read it folks, especially the bit about being able to "stand corrected" as Greenstein still fibs and lies that I forged "signatories" (sic)
Against my better judgement I had a quick shuftie at Rizzo's antisemitic sewer of a blog.
She has posted an article about her email to that Palestinian chap in which Tony Greenstein is quoted as allegedly saying that, without zionism, there would be no Palestinians.
Unfortunately, Mary is more interested in her own fragile crazy state of mind than in posting articles that reflect up-to-date scholarship on important issues to do with Palestine and Palestinians.
In fact, its a mere truism to say that zionism has affected the Levant and Palestinian People in particular.
Crazy Mary, of course, is trying to cover up her complete and total lack of knowledge - now that she has made a complete and utter public spectacle and fool of herself (what's new?).
In a campaign devoted to such universal ideals as truth, justice, and peace for all - Mary carries on and continues her poisonious antisemitic factionalist campaign in order to weaken the solidarity movement.
In a solidarity movement based on truth, Mary refuses to stand corrected. This is how much importance she places on her own outstanding personality rather than on unimportant stuff such as 'truth'.
I wonder why Mary hasn't posted a link to this comment thread?
It would be highly illuminating for all those people who have signed her petition to find out just how much of an outstanding personality she actually has, and its importance in the scheme of things.
Joe90 is a simpleton, but probably with ambitions to become a lefty bigshot and get lots of groupies - typical Trot, in other words.
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