Archie,

Your wounds were self inflicted because you decided to supposedly "protect citizens right to protest and freedom of speech." Last time I checked are country has the largest military regime in the world. No stupid foreign country is going to even think about trying to mess with us.
This is your country? Not anymore, remember who keeps this country running. I don't even need to tell you!



Frank Dare "Citizen Taxpayer,"
If this would have happened at St. Martin's, you would have said they were just blowing off steam.
You say that President Purce and "his anarchy teaching professors need to be sent packing." You and anyone that thinks they know about the institute need to send yourselves packing to Evergreen and learn what the college is truly about and not what you see looking in from the outside?


The most important piece of knowledge I can relay to all of you that I took from the college, can be simply stated in a few words.

"Don't be scared of the new, seek to understand."
DJ KALAMBRE | 02.21.08 - 8:01 pm | #
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Just FYI, the college actually called the Thurston County Sheriffs in, I know how unbelievable that may be to those under the assumption that TESC promotes a "culture of violence". The person being arrested was inciting violence within the concert, and did not attend Evergreen in the first place. Dead Prez told the crowd to do something about the arrest by getting badge numbers etc, not to riot. I'm just as ashamed about the Riot as the next person, but I also happen to attend Evergreen, and I know that the vast majority of students and faculty here are just as disgusted as I am.
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Bruce Wilkerson,

Time to get a life!
Be a productive part of society, by getting a job, growing up! I hope your parents enjoy paying for the patrol cars "possibly" you and or your friends demolished.

It's a shame that I carry shrapnel & pain in my body along with nightmares in my mind fighting in a war for a dud like you!

This is my country... and slime of the earth (you & those like you)aren't going to turn it into a garbage can!!!!!
Archie | 02.21.08 - 10:53 am | #
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A lot of interesting comments have been sent to this blog. There are some fine programs and mostly responsible students at TESC,BUT:

Incidents of dangerous, anti-social behavior by mentally ill students and their friends, (usually led by equally mentally ill, cowardly, anarchistic professors)have resulted in increased violence and destruction of public and private property on and off campus.

Decent, law abiding students and faculty need to make it clear to the college administration, that they won't tolerate their peers, professors and others who are responsible for the vandalism and destruction that is clearly increasing in our area, in no uncertain manner. They need to join the public whose taxes support their school.

Students and other young people who promote sick and anti-American speakers for graduation exercises and other events, (including a recorded message from low life who murdered a police officer), have no place in our our education system. The United States of America prides herself on our freedoms, but when criminal actions are encouraged by college staff, the rest of our freedoms are threatened.

In order for Evergreen State College to continue the fine programs enjoyed by the majority of good students, stern measures must be taken.

Purce needs to be replaced, because he's shown he's not a responsible college president. His anarchy teaching professors also need to be sent packing.

Citizen Taxpayer
Frank Dare | 02.19.08 - 7:31 am | #
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The first time I ever met a pair of Evergreen college students (that I am aware of) was outside a bar in Shelton about 2 years ago.

They were a couple, and her man had teats. Yes, teats. He was really growing his own teats with hormones because he wanted them, and she, his girlfriend, agreed with this.

HOW FREAKIN DEMENTED!

I HOPE THEY NEVER BREED!
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Tonja | 02.19.08 - 1:21 am | #
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In my opinion: Tomorrow is Tuesday. Lawyers for the police, TESC, students and concerned citizens have had a few days to prepare their statements and make a legal request to the WA State Legislature and government.

A few people are considering early retirement "to spend more time with their families", or deal with post traumatic stress disorder, or avoid lawsuits. A few students are going to find themselves urged to leave the school or stay off campus and not get into trouble with the police or not be allowed to attend most campus events. A few students are thinking of suing TESC, police, Olympia, WA State and others. A few politicians are going to find themselves with little choice but to use this situation to change or shut down TESC.

Tomorrow is Tuesday. Got Lawyers?
Prophet Atlantis | 02.18.08 - 3:14 pm | #
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A couple of students and staff have suggested an assembly to meet, talk about the incident and heal.

Les Purce announced a forum will be held on Tuesday @ 12 PM in Lecture Hall 1.

This is during nearly everyone's lunch break. If you're concerned about what happened, please attend this important event.
Heal this | 02.18.08 - 7:18 am | #
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Angry In Olympia,

Actually the offender you speak of had nothing to do with the actions of others that started the melee with the "authorities." He was detained for another reason and then released for what I've had relatives that have been peace officers say was perfectly normal knowing the non-severity of his actions. And the growing number of people that protested the actions of the police officer.

There was officers from OLY, LACEY and TUMWATER!
DJ KALAMBRE | 02.17.08 - 2:21 pm | #
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i almost cheered for these idiots because i thought, oh well, now theres one less cop to harass me as i go about my daily drives. but as that thought crossed me mind, i realized that it would be my tax dollars that your replace that car with a brand new shiny cop car. now i;m angry.
Ben | 02.17.08 - 1:33 pm | #
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Hey Bruce, had I been there, I would have been standing behind the cop car yelling "Run his dumbass over"...

Go back to bed, your arguements are as delusional as your dreams surely are!
HHHmmm... | 02.17.08 - 9:57 am | #
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Kurt Cobain is from WA, Courtney Love was an Evergreen student.
B | 02.17.08 - 9:37 am | #
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For those of you who support the rioters and their actions, what do you really think they are protesting, and why did what they did make any difference in the community or world?
B | 02.17.08 - 9:32 am | #
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It is too bad there are a hand full of students that make Evergreen look bad. I am not a student there, but know many who have attended. They received a valuable education and make valuable contributions to our community.

This crap about the Riot could have happened at any college around the country. I don't blame the college or its teachings for that.

These students and posters that cry for Anarchy don't understand where they would be in a system like that. There are a lot of mean people with guns that would make your Anarchist dream turn quickly to a nightmare.
B | 02.17.08 - 9:20 am | #
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It sounds like Chamberlain from TCSO has been spending too much time with Gary Michael. They are both cowards, and Chamberlain should be fired for being a coward. He should empower his deputies to kick Ass and take names. Not release the offender that started the riot because they were scared. Why didn't he call Tumwater, Olympia, or Lacey for help? Because TCSO has managed to ostrisize all other departments in the area and is now too arrogant to ask for help. Fire the coward!
Angry In Olympia | 02.17.08 - 8:50 am | #
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God, Bruce, I saw your last two posts in TESCTalk and you've found yourself here? Goodluck, man.

You can't compare this riot to whatever historical oppression you like to draw parallels with. This is not miniaturized version of that event that needs action entailing the most retarded excuse for a "riot" ever.

All of this drunken bullshit stemming from drunken students and non-students is really re-affirming the community idiots' ignorant perception of Evergreen. Despite all the worthless jargon and insults that seem to be steaming from this thread, maybe because of this Evergreen will re-evaluate their own reputation and find ways to restore it. These are just rumors and I can't say for sure whether it's true or not because I am no longer a student, but I hear Evergreen is considering accepting more students, which is the last thing they need. But first things first, I hope Evergreen addresses their students, faculty, and police force with some sort of forum. After that, they should really consider addressing the community to make any necessary apologies.

I'd really like to stand up for the school, and while there are certain aspects that deserve some sort of defense, it's hard to muster in this situation.
axl | 02.17.08 - 3:08 am | #
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"Nice creative writing assignment, Sarah.

You are not real.

Fake.
cougar"

I am as real as they come. I was willing to share my real name. Imagine that, Cougar. Is that your real name? I do exist and I apologize if I have offended you by putting down Evergreen but I only speak the truth. I did transfer to Evergreen and the work here is elementary level at best. I hear people crying because they have to read 2 books in one week. You are taking 16 credits. I had to read 2 books a week for each 4 credit class I had at my old school. There is no challenge.
Sarah | 02.17.08 - 1:30 am | #
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Barbara,

Actually my sentences were grammatically correct. I did not realize that it was a requirement though. Yes, I did spell some words incorrectly because I was typing very fast and did not feel the need to go back and correct them. I apologize if I got under your skin and took up space in your head.


"Not so fast. One would hope that you will depart Evergreen with the skills to write a grammatically correct sentence, with all of the words spelled correctly."


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ZAMBONI,

Just because two students did some extremely stupid things in your office doesn't mean that all TESC students are like that. But once again you are just another part of the narrow minded idiots of Olympia, that believe they know about TESC.

ANON,

The school will never be shut down for the idiotic actions of a bunch of 18 and 19 year old intoxicated privileged white kids from the east coast. Because their mommies and daddies will just turn a blind eye and pay for what their "little angels" did because "they were just venting and decided to vent their anger in the wrong way." Well, that's how a lot of these little S.O.B's get out of issues I've seen at Evergreen.
DJ KALAMBRE | 02.16.08 - 10:56 pm | #
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Hey Greeners!

No you can't!
Get cured form that terminal case of Afluenza....that is. Might I quote an icon from the movement, it was either Seales or Carmichael, I think it went something like "Burn Baby, burn." Pwah! Just kidding. I wont be sending any of my kids there. I dont like all that hyper touchy feely crap that leaves the hard sciences in the back seat. Your image is everything, I'm sure.


McCain2008. Got Integrity?
Dino2008. Yer outta there.
homepage: http://www.myspace.com/iamnoone
IamNoOne | 02.16.08 - 9:27 pm | #
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Well, there you have it. As long as there is no clear leader and you do everything with a mob of people, criminal liability should be thrown out the window.............But then again, didn't the police act together as a group too? I guess that means that you don't get to blame them anymore. Just a couple mobs clashing. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Azul | 02.16.08 - 9:22 pm | #
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Ultimately non-students will have to fend for themselves. I think that is unfortunate for them, but Evergreen certainly doesn't have to help in that investigation and students can help protect them from being scapegoats. I would be incredibly sad if some non-student got the book thrown at him. There really isn't a good way to punish one person, there was no master mind, or leader, or inciter.
Bruce WIlkinson | 02.16.08 - 9:19 pm | #
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Bruce Wilkinson,

So Evergreen has procedures for dealing with this type of crap and will take care of it? That's funny, because most of the greeners on here are saying that it wasn't the Evergreen students doing this. How will you dicipline non-students?
Azul | 02.16.08 - 8:48 pm | #
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Maybe we should go the the college's student parking lot and destroy $35,000 to $50,000 worth of their cars and see if they like it.....................On second thought, at $150 a car, we would be there all day turning the pieces of crap over!!!!!!!!!!! Never mind.
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Bruce WIlkinson | 02.16.08 - 8:25 pm | #
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Close the college. Enough said.
Anon | 02.16.08 - 6:57 pm | #
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If you asked any of those privileged little cretins (who often come from the East Coast to Evergreen/Oly for their West Coast hippy trip) what good came of this charade, I bet that not one of them could articulate an intelligent response.

I hope that they figure out who assaulted the police officer and destroyed her car, so they can pay for her pain and suffering, along with reparation or replacement of the car. By destroying her car, they are destroying public property that taxpayers--you know, people that actually work--paid for.

Likewise, while there are bad police officers out there, most of them actually are decent people with very hard jobs. These are the people who repond to crime scenes, fatality accidents, rescue children from abusive homes, and risk their lives for maybe 50k/year (every year, until they retire and have heart attacks, due to all the stress that they and their families endured while they were actually trying to HELP people).

If these supposedly open-minded people from TESC actually talked to one of them, without assuming that they were evil control-freaks, they might actually see them as human! But no, the types of TESC students and residents of Oly that cause crap like this aren't going to do that, because they are some of the most narrow-minded control freaks under the sun.

If you don't think like them, you are sh*t. You are "big brother." You are a "sell out." You are a whatever they want to make you out to be. That mind-set is pathetic, uninformed and, as we can see from what happened recently, potentially violent.

I grew up in this area as the daughter of a Washington State Patrolman. I also graduated from TESC several years ago. I know both sides of this story well and I can't help but be disgusted by these student's actions.

Don't get me wrong, because I am all for questioning authority. I am all for protesting and making changes. I am hardly into a big brother type system at all. However, I am not into violence.

Arresting someone for misdemeanor assault is hardly worthy of a violent riot!

If these students want to actually make a difference, why don't they actually open their minds enough to see the police officer as human and evaluate the situation, without jumping to conclusions?

C'mon people! All people like this do is support TESC's bad image of being hypersensitive and indescriminately reactionary. Shame on them!

They aren't part of a progressive conversation, they are irresponsible little sh*ts with a strong sense of entitlement and violent tempers.

Pathetic.
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TESC grad and cop's daughter | 02.16.08 - 12:45 pm | #
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Is there not anyone here who is familiar with the way the law works? I see people bashing TCSO but let's take a look at how it really works:

We pay extra $$ to put more deputies on the road to protect us and ours. They make an arrest and the prosecutor is responsible for ......PROSECUTING!! Hello! If people aren't charged it's not because the deputy didn't "want" them charged, it's because the prosecutor decided, for whatever reasons, not to proceed with prosecution. What in the holy hell does that have to do with the deputies?? NOTHING!!! We hire them, train them, send them out to protect us, but then don't put people in the prosecutors office who SUPPORT THEM. I have news for you neighbors... if we don't wake up to this "problem"... we may as well move! It's not just about having more officers on the road... we need people who will prosecute them and then someplace to put them! Yes, that means more cages!

The other issue that is addressed over and over is that TCSO "let the guy go" and many think that was mishandled. Let's look at the alternative: They arrest and detain the subject... the crowd becomes unruly. We have a handfull of officers available for the initial response. The article includes quotes from Chamberlain that "people were grabbing at the guns of the initial responding officers", thowing bottles, garbage cans and rocks at them... etc. So clearly, it was escalating. What do you expect would have happened had they NOT let the dumbass smoking pot go??? How many naysayers would be supporting TCSO when they had to shoot 25 people that night because they had no other options? There were just a few officers on the scene at that time.. NOT in riot gear, NOT with enough manpower and protection... had it escalated any further, they would have had to use what to protect themselves? Garbage cans and rocks? Come on people... think this one over..YOU don't want the alternative. So one pot-smoking looser who assaulted a security guard didn't sit in jail Friday night....guaranteed he will before the month is over... and probably for a NEW crime!
HHmmm... | 02.16.08 - 12:33 pm | #
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"Please the only thing that ever came out of TESC is potheads, cartoonist, and struggling pottery makers."

Prove it.

"These actions by Evergreen students are AN INSPIRATION TO THE WHOLE COUNTRY."

No.
axl | 02.16.08 - 12:19 pm | #
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If TESC wants to continue supporting these types of venues... they need to understand that OUR police force (the one W-E pay for) IS NOT RESPONDING to bail any of the dumbasses out during these events. All those officers tied up Friday night at TESC, unable to respond to OUR emergencies in a timely fashion, to protect OUR property. So while our police resources are up at TESC for some dumbass smoking pot who assaults someone trying to stop him... WE, the public have our asses hanging out with nobody available. THAT is the travisty I see... who cares if someone at a TESC concert is smoking pot? So what?? Truly, what a waste of time and resources...but OH NO... someone has to call TCSO and look what happened! I say, if you go to TESC, you should do so with the understanding that if you get your stupid ass in trouble while you are there... you are on your own. Period. Doesn't matter who you are or what the trouble is... that place is a sh*t hole and their admission forms shoud have "ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK" printed on the top. It I-S a different climate than it used to be... but it I-S WHAT IT I-S.
Outside looking In | 02.16.08 - 12:15 pm | #
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These actions by Evergreen students are AN INSPIRATION TO THE WHOLE COUNTRY. PLEASE keep fighting! All of these negative comments from adults who aren't even students are worthless. The "left" is always against real revolt, the liberals are always the ones calling the cops to protect their anti-police brutality demo. Evergreen's shown them how to freakin do it! Up with the anarchy, down with the police!

By the way, it is deeply disturbing and disgustingly for any of you to be comparing rape victims to the police who were justly fought against. It's also disgusting to lump them together with "minorities" who are discriminated against. Oh my god, the poor oppressed police class! Are you kidding? Are you really that awfully racist, sexist, and homophobic that you equalize the "other" you care so much about with the police?! I've got news for you, when the suffragettes fought the police, when riots spread across the south in poor black ghettos in the south (Forget that, try Cincinatti in 2001!), and when queers beat up police during the Stonewall riots and smashed up their cars with parking meters ripped out of the pavement: they were exhibiting the "unaccptable behavior" your condemn.

Let's recognize the "leftist liberals" for what they are, people who flirt with radical ideas for fashion but condemn those who carry them out. Let's make a clean break from these Obama-worshipping dinosaurs and keep up the renewed uninhibited revolt against the social order!

Viva la anarquía!
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Pretty Oly Girl... Wanna do coffee sometime?
chad | 02.16.08 - 11:33 am | #
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"Well, last time I checked TESC has been named one of the top 15 liberal arts colleges in the nation, and a big part of that was due to the teaching techniques and methods.
I suggest to all of you conservative right wing nuts against TESC...Jesus is not going to strike you down for going to Evergreen to learn what the institution is all about."



For a college that doesn't like to give out grades they sure like being graded dont they. I know what the college is about and they try and make a student well rounded through crap like "Native American Story-Telling" "African Dance" "Modern Feminism"....is it any wonder we rank consistently on the bottom of all industrialised nations when it comes to reading,writing, and math?
Please the only thing that ever came out of TESC is potheads, cartoonist, and struggling pottery makers.
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Hold these people accountable! But the sad thing is that most likely the guilty ones don't even attend TESC ,but the people who do (and who are probably innocent) will be penalized for this by a hefty tuition increase.
another anonymous 1 | 02.16.08 - 10:37 am | #
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Hip Hop

Music for rapists done by rapists.
Steph | 02.16.08 - 6:14 am | #
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Just to let everyone know.

When it was announced at one of those rallies a mass casualty amount of American Soldiers they cheered and high fived and whooped it up.

Olympia is one of the favorite cities of Osama Bin Laden.

There was celebrations downtown on 9/11.

Only good thing about this party was the children the participants rape got a few hours break.

Olympians spit on soldiers routinely but welcome child rapists.

Bomb Olympia because we need to kill all terrorists and their supporters and every single person that lives there is a terrorist or a terrorist supporter.
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I begin this statement letting all those know that I am in no way speaking for the college and or the radio station that some of you know me from.

First off, to all the anti-evergreen community members that feel the need to chime in about the event, please refrain from saying anything. Making comments on this site is a waste of your time because your commenting on what you've been told through the eyes of people on opposite sides of the fence.
All of you think you have a grasp of the teachings at this institution, but are poorly mistaken every time you open your mouths. It is truly funny for me to read that a lot of you believe that the institution and it's faculty teach disobedience. And because the institution and faculty use different techniques and methods to teach these ADULT students is wrong. And because of a few of your ideas about the institution the state should shut the school down. Well, last time I checked TESC has been named one of the top 15 liberal arts colleges in the nation, and a big part of that was due to the teaching techniques and methods.
I suggest to all of you conservative right wing nuts against TESC...Jesus is not going to strike you down for going to Evergreen to learn what the institution is all about.

Secondly, Some of you have stated that DEAD PREZ and Sistah Hailstorm are "all politically motivated, hate bands... not hip hop." Once again proving that all of you can not think for yourself and would rather take some so called valuable information that you found on the internet about the group and try to enlighten The Olympian comment writers. To call either Dead Prez and Sistah Hailstorm a hate band and or hate artist is simply stating your ignorance of their music, which is hip hop in its rarest form.
A note to all you self proclaimed hip hop fans educate yourself about the difference between rap and hip hop, because most likely you are a lover of rap and not hip hop!

To quote: El HEFE, "the 'musicians' in the band that helped provoke this action aren't responsible in anyway are they?...that thug gangsta sh*t is what kids today live on..." posted | 02.15.08 - 6:56 am |

Having been at the concert, the group did not provoke the action of a few intoxicated students. The group did provoke the concert goers to watch out for the person being arrested and to make their voice known at City Hall, The School President's office and the Police Department of Evergreen if there was any type of police brutality.
To EL HEFE and anyone who thinks they know about the groups and their style of music that was performed at Evergreen was the complete opposite of what EL HEFE states as "that thug gangsta sh*t is what kids today live on."
The "thug gangsta sh*t" as it is referred to by EL HEFE, you can typically hear coming out of any popular Seattle TOP 40 radio station and even out of your own children's mp3 player or computer. The message from a lot of your child's favorite rap artists is all about sex, abusing women, getting paper (money), getting drunk, buying big cars and houses. If you don't want your kids to live on that style of music, start being a parent and not friend and get rid of the crap they are buying and listening to.

To paraphrase the ideology of some of my favorite hip hop artists and to bestow knowledge on those that dislike Evergreen..."GO OUT AND EDUCATE YOURSELF! DON'T BE SCARED OF WHAT IS NEW TO YOU!"





As for the fans in attendance that instigated the actions of the "authorities", this part of my message is to you!

What was your reasoning for inciting violence against another human being? I constantly hear the idea being preached of living peacefully as one. So why didn't some of you break up the fight that ended up with the police coming to the show. Now with them there, DEAD PREZ stated to watch the police and hold them accountable. You got what you chanted "Let Him Go!" The "criminal" was released and some of you decided to be an obstruction of "justice" by taunting and throwing items at the "authorities." What happened to peaceful resistance and protest?

Now answer me this, why do you feel the "authorities" were wrong for defending themselves as they did with pepper spray? There were many large objects being thrown at them for no good reason. Oh wait there was a reason I heard yelled from the crowd, "Let's get these f'n pigs out of here!"

I say to those that were supposedly sprayed unjustly you got what you deserved. And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart publicly for two things. #1: Letting me get sprayed along with a friend that took to heart what D.P. said about watching the cops and their actions. But for those wanting to know, my friend and I were dusted by the spray. Which was enough for us to move up the hill away from what was soon to be the site of the toppled squad car. And #2: Giving me the joy of watching some rich kids and trust fund dread lock wearing hippies get their butts whooped on by cops and state patrol.

For the community members that believe the institution should be held responsible for the actions of a few that decided to loot and destroy county property, are you kidding? The institution, the musicians and record labels (as one person commented) had nothing to do with a few people making the idiotic decision of turning over a squad car and or as many did instigate the "authorities" to use force.


NEXT TIME PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE AND YOU MIGHT GET WHAT YOU WANT. BUT IF YOU DON'T, RECOGNIZE THAT VIOLENCE IS GOING TO GET YOUR BUTT HANDED TO YOU AGAIN.

AND TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT CAME TO THE EVENT AND INSTIGATED THE "RIOT" PLEASE KEEP AWAY FROM EVERGREEN. YOUR ONE OF THE MANY REASONS WHY MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS DON'T UNDERSTAND EVERGREEN, YOU UNDERMINE THE SCHOOLS WAYS IDEAS!

RESPETO A TODO MI GENTE QUE NO MOLESTO LOS PUERCOS Y PUERCAS!

TODOS LAS RAZAS TIAHUI!
DJ KALAMBRE | 02.16.08 - 3:46 am | #
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Sarah -- "I came to Evergreen in the Fall with the idea that I was going to recive an education ... I have literally been able to attend less than half of my classes and still pass. I spend very little time workign on homework and I have written soem of the worst papers of my life and received outstanding comments from the instructors ... I am just one quareter away from graduation and I am ready to leave."

Not so fast. One would hope that you will depart Evergreen with the skills to write a grammatically correct sentence, with all of the words spelled correctly.


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Barbara | 02.16.08 - 3:12 am | #
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Sober enough to count stars and not near drunk enough to put up with you're ridiculous questions!!

I am a fake poster? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha

How many h's were in that? Don't go to sleep with that joint in your hand counting them!
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Tonja | 02.16.08 - 2:09 am | #
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You know what that means .......

ROAD TRIP!
anonymous | 02.16.08 - 2:00 am | #
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I demand that the dean put all faculty
and students on double secret probation
Im Ashamed of you | 02.16.08 - 1:58 am | #
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An impressive display of feces throwing by the conserva-monkeys today.
anonymous | 02.16.08 - 1:52 am | #
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Bye, Bruno. This should help ease the parking problem downtown.
gooey | 02.16.08 - 1:44 am | #
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Olympia is no longer a community where people respect each other...

My Property Tax increased 31% this year and the city can't maintain law and order?

How can anyone justify the destruction of public property?

Enough is enough and I never thought I would say it's time for me to leave.
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Wow! Tonja is pretty entertaining, isn't she, folks?

But is she REAL? I still can't tell. It could be the work of a very clever troll/fakeposter. So, either way, I must say: Good on you, "Tonja", whoever you are!

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(If she's really drunk, maybe all the stars will put her to sleep!)
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How drunk ARE you, Tonja?
cougar | 02.16.08 - 1:29 am | #
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Nice creative writing assignment, Sarah.

You are not real.

Fake.
cougar | 02.16.08 - 1:19 am | #
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YEA OH BOY, stuck feet in rear that time, didn't you??

Why don't you EVERGREENERS, meaning those that are born and raised in WA. State, ever watch that ignorant mouth?
Tonja | 02.16.08 - 1:02 am | #
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When these new and real voices speak up
I love it | 02.16.08 - 12:51 am | #
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I came to Evergreen in the Fall with the idea that I was going to recive an education. I am still attending Evergreen and I am offended by the comments that people are making about the students. Yes, quite a few people that attend Evergreen make a bad name for us students who are really interested in learning, but please don't lump all of us into one category. I am a transfer student to Evergreen who came in with a 3.8 G.P.A. I have worked hard towards bettering my future. Honestly, Evergreen does not have high standards of accountability and they do not offer academic challenge to the students; however, there are some intelligent people at Evergreen. I was accepted into several good colleges and chose Evergreen so that my husband could work on his Master's at UW. I believe that Evergreen needs to change the way they do things. Evergreen needs to start being held accountable. They need to hand out grades and the staff needs to come down on the students who are participating in these illegal activites, rather than participating and encouraging them. Evergreen likes the young impressionable students because they are able to brainwash them with their bullshit. The staff does not like students like myself because I challenge their ideas. I have literally been able to attend less than half of my classes and still pass. I spend very little time workign on homework and I have written soem of the worst papers of my life and received outstanding comments from the instructors. I feel cheated spending my money at Evergreen because I do not feel that I am learning. I do not like the way we do not receive grades. I just do not think that shutting down the campus or bulldozing the students or making threats to the Evergreen students is the answer. I do not agree with what the students did last night. I think it was disgraceful and I am sick and tired of trying to defend my school. I am just one quareter away from graduation and I am ready to leave. I don't even feel comfortable going to class after all of this. Please stop the rude comments on the forum and quit lumping all Evergreen students into one single group.
Sarah | 02.16.08 - 12:45 am | #
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682 and counting. wow! never seen it go this high.
cougar | 02.16.08 - 12:37 am | #
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Don't mind me, Tonja.

I love to kid.
oh boy | 02.16.08 - 12:35 am | #
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Too bad all the terrorists activities are committed on United States soil and the Iraqis' we don't have to worry about, huh???

Which university or college will be shot up next, in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
Tonja | 02.16.08 - 12:35 am | #
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Well, you should be watching out for those terrorists as much as I do...

Thanks for the "warning."
Tonja | 02.16.08 - 12:33 am | #
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*KAABBOOMMM!*

I tried to warn her.
oh boy | 02.16.08 - 12:31 am | #
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When I can't spell or post anything logical, I just call someone a psycho.

I know how to spell that because everyone in my family has been diagnosed with that syndrome.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

I have to go to ESC now, because NO real college will accept me!
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Tonja | 02.16.08 - 12:29 am | #
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It sucks when...
You're #666 | 02.16.08 - 12:29 am | #
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PSYCHO








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oh boy | 02.16.08 - 12:27 am | #
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Because I can post anytime on the OLY when I feel like it.

You may feel like LOGGING off before I EXPLODE your head with too many facts.

Learn how to spell, Evergreener.
Tonja | 02.16.08 - 12:26 am | #
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Tonja- why don't you STFU before your head expoldes.
oh boy | 02.16.08 - 12:24 am | #
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Oh Boy, loggeed back off and you won't be disappointed anymore.
Tonja | 02.16.08 - 12:23 am | #
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... pardon me, I meant to say looged on.
oh boy | 02.16.08 - 12:22 am | #
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I always figured sustainable development was important enough. Shit like this happens elsewhere. TESC is an easy target for the ignorant.
axl | 02.16.08 - 12:19 am | #
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Well, the quality of discourse certainly has gone downhill since I last loggeed on...
oh boy | 02.16.08 - 12:19 am | #
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Do away with ESC and federal funding!

That's not a college, it's a cult!
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Tonja | 02.16.08 - 12:15 am | #
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m'kay.
You're #666 | 02.16.08 - 12:15 am | #
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Dorie Munson, who is the mouth of the North West here in WA., shows how 5 of Obama's speeches include a woman in the front audience who needs water, and he just happens to have one handy to toss at her, and does.

Bet he would throw a D&C instrument
to her also so she could perform her very own abortion right there in front of everyone, if that were possible.

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Tonja | 02.16.08 - 12:05 am | #
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Thanks TONYA!
You're #666 | 02.16.08 - 12:01 am | #
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THESE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS CRIME VOTE, DON'T THEY?

BET IT'S FOR OBAMA.

FUNNY HOW OBAMA ALWAYS HAS A WOMAN IN THE FRONT AUDIENCE IN HIS SPEECHES WHO IS ABOUT TO WISP AWAY, AND HE "ALWAYS" HAS A COLD BOTTLE OF WATER TO OFFER TO HER AID...
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Tonja | 02.15.08 - 11:55 pm | #
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Evergreen is the laughing stock of the country.

I have hundreds of quotes to attest.

Evergreen is some of the best blog fodder there is.

Thanks!
PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 11:41 pm | #

OlyGirl,
On wikipedia, we call what you spew "weasel words." Make a point or shut the hell up.
Brand0 | 02.15.08 - 11:52 pm | #
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justsayno,

The D.A.R.E. program was canceled after all those years for the same reason you should give up the anti-evergreen gimmick: ineffective.
Brand0 | 02.15.08 - 11:51 pm | #
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Evergreen is the laughing stock of the country.

I have hundreds of quotes to attest.

Evergreen is some of the best blog fodder there is.

Thanks!
PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 11:41 pm | #
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And we thought poorly of Rev Jim Jones in Guanya. We pay teachers at tesc to do the same thing. Brainwash! Now if we could just get em to drink their kool-aide
Yogi Bear | 02.15.08 - 11:26 pm | #
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Sounds like normal behavior for the Anarchist in that part of town.

Maybe they should take out their aggressions in some Cage fighting - the anarchists that is.

Better yet, lock them in a cage.
Anti - Circle around the A | 02.15.08 - 11:22 pm | #
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Capt. John Smith | 02.15.08 - 11:20 pm | #
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I like the comment about how the police arrested the one black guy that was involved in the fight. These Evergreen students come to safe, white bread Olympia to learn diversity and practice insignificant civil disobediance. The funny thing is, the police are one of the biggest barriers from locals beating these students down. They should be happy the police are around.
B | 02.15.08 - 11:03 pm | #
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Remove law enforcement from the campus (TESC Security included) and put it on the do not respond list for the police. Either the students will take the initiative (as good greeners should) or the place will descend into anarchy and teach a lesson to people about what organized society is.
The Stir | 02.15.08 - 11:02 pm | #
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Jim Flynn, I agree.

Those Evergrener freaks have no concept of accountability...or reality. What are they teaching at that school??? They have no place in the real world.
Brian | 02.15.08 - 10:58 pm | #
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Fighting Geoduck

haahaaahaaa!!! he said geoduck.....haahaahaa!!

yes you greeners are GEODUCKS

go back and stick your collective heads in the mud......
scooter | 02.15.08 - 10:57 pm | #
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Why is the Evergreen State College, its students and faculty, never held accountable for their actions? Why is it always "someone else's fault" when port commerce is blocked, buildings are vandalized, now college security personnel are intimidated and police cars destroyed and burglarized? People and institutions should be held accountable for their actions. If people resist arrest and destroy property, they should be held accountable. If the faculty and the college administration, who are responsible for the faculty, are inciting students to civil disobedience as part of their education in freedom; then they should be liable for payment of the laboratory fees. Not the City of Olympia, the Port of Olympia or Thurston county. Those citizens are already subsidizing college operations and tuition through their tax dollars. If Evergreen is going to use our communities for civil disobedience labs, then they should be billed for the costs of added law enforcement and garbage collection. The college President should have his learned faculty make that expense a line item in their classroom budgets. He is certainly paid well enough to assume that responsibility. As for all concerned, how about a required class in personal accountability?
Jim Flynn | 02.15.08 - 10:43 pm | #
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P.S. Cut your hair and get a job! You Evergreeners could use a dose of reality.
Brian | 02.15.08 - 10:43 pm | #
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darn spell check
Fighting Geoduck | 02.15.08 - 10:33 pm | #
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J,

You're lucky to live in the USA. If this was Iran, you and your "friend" would have been shot. Count your blessings you ignorant Evergreener freak.
Brian | 02.15.08 - 10:32 pm | #
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Your school has been the laughing stock of the country for a long time now.
- PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 8:34 pm | #

Actually POG, please read the folowing item:

"In late 2006, Evergreen's level of academic challenge among freshman and seniors was marked in the top ten percent of all baccalaureate colleges in the nation by the National Survey of Student Engagement, a study by Indiana University and the Pew Charitable Trusts."

TESCs level of academic challenge was in the TOP 10 PERCENT of ALL baccaualreate colleges in the entire US. That would include Ivy League schools....ya know, like Harvard and Yale.

You might be pretty but you're not too smart.


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Fighting Geoduck | 02.15.08 - 10:32 pm | #
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J,

If racism was involved in the arrest, file a lawsuit. Deal with things in a civilized way. Don't riot. I thought they taught you students critical thinking???
Don | 02.15.08 - 10:28 pm | #
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Now J I have to say... you are typical of victim mentality of tesc students...
Who Would Have Thought? | 02.15.08 - 10:22 pm | #
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As a student at Evergreen who wasn't near the riot when it happened, but knows some who were.. i just want to say that no student hurt any person.. property, yes. It was students who were beat so badly to go to the hospital by the police.

I realize the crowd got out of control, and with little purpose -I am not excusing them for it - but I'd like to say there is something inspiring about a crowd of students convincing police - people who are given the often unjust and unfair role in society of always having the moral upper-hand in every situation - to leave without using any kind of violence on a person. Yeah, not too constructive, but do any of you know why the students were mad? I think part of it was an element of "groupthink", I won't deny that. but some of those angry students knew the person who was arrested. Several people were fighting and guess which person was arrested? The one black guy. So they were pumped up and inspired to act (by their radical hip hop music) on what they perceived, and may have truly been, a very racist choice.
J | 02.15.08 - 10:20 pm | #
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What? Violence at a hip-hop concert? What a shock!
Brian | 02.15.08 - 10:19 pm | #
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HUM ?,,,,,Let me see if I can sum this up. Everyone involved in this little issue have got to be the biggest dumbf___ks in this town. Did it make little johnny pencil dick feel tough to roll over a police car? WITH 20 OTHER PEOPLE!! P.u.s.s.i.e.s !!!
Jack Sprat | 02.15.08 - 10:18 pm | #
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And THEY didn't sell tickets, make money OR even invite the guests......
PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 10:15 pm | #
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LP has a great point....as I recall from the POOP incidents....it's The Port, the Military and Olympia Police...US, that are being held financially responsible.

And it was The Port and the OPD that "should have been better prepared"......
PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 10:14 pm | #
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After dealing with this incident all day and reading through so many of the posts, the one thing that nobody seems to be remembering is who is really responsible for this whole situation.

If I were to hold a beer and barbecue party at my house and invite my guests to party with me, and then they went about my neighborhood raiding people's yards and homes, would I not be held somehow responsible for creating the venue for the situation? If you were my neighbor, I'm so completely sure you would want me held accountable for some of it, if not all of it.

It appears that TESC administration allows their students to operate on campus without much supervision. Holding such an event without much security and provisions for crowd control during a controversial type of entertainment, what type of thinking was that? Maybe none? It's almost as if they've never held any public event there at all, which we're all very well aware is not the case.

Also, all the posts comparing TESC to King County schools or the tragic incidents occurring at other schools across the nation where a lone shooter is creating such horror, those are individual people, not an entire group of about 200 students and their guests, terrorizing their communities. And I'm sorry, but I moved to Olympia because of the quiet, more even-tempered climate of the people. I don't wish to live in the big cities or to experience big city issues. Been there, done that. Therefore, I do not wish for those issues of the larger cities to be acceptable in my community. Just because people are being terrorized in those other communities does not make it OK for it to occur here. Something has happened in the past to keep Olympia a secret capitol, and it's been a blessing for this community. Do not let the occurrences and tragedies of big city schools condone what happens here and just say it should be expected. NO it should NOT!

And people, please, the grammar and spelling throughout these posts make me cringe. Are all of you actually educated or just spouting? Everyone is reading these, clean it up and become more professional. Trust me, others will take you more seriously and possibly listen to what you think.
LP | 02.15.08 - 10:06 pm | #
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We need to take a Caterpillar bulldozer and give Neverclean the Corrie treatment.

ROTFLMAO!!!!
:-) | 02.15.08 - 10:05 pm | #
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For those that like to bring up other colleges that have had riots, is it a disturbing trend at those schools? Do they have professors leading them in violent protests and then a few months later surround and destroy police patrol cars? Any riot on a campus is a bad thing. Violence among the "peaceful" evergreen students is becoming an all to disturbing trend!
Don | 02.15.08 - 9:58 pm | #
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Nate, you are paranoid and delusional. Seek help brother
WTF | 02.15.08 - 9:57 pm | #
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No Marcus, I did not apparently miss anything.

But did you read that this article is about a RIOT at TESC and has NOTHING to do with anything at UW.
SP Fan | 02.15.08 - 9:57 pm | #
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Marcus,

I don't care if the arrest was for all the wrong reasons. There was NO reason to react the way they did. False arrest makes for a good lawsuit. But, shouldn't be a reason to riot and destroy public property.
Don | 02.15.08 - 9:56 pm | #
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IT seems to me that spfan apparently forgot about the uw riots only a few years ago. Lets also not forget countless problems on both campuses with chronic underage drinking.

@the olympian.

you failed to report why the arrest was made in the first place! it's this type of media failure that breeds community distrust that many students at evergreen have been lumped in to. This comes as no surprise given that you are owned by a corporation that could give less than two winks about olympia or accurate reporting.

go figure.
MarcusW | 02.15.08 - 9:54 pm | #
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Nate, do you believe that $30K in damage to public property is democratic?
Mr.Fixit | 02.15.08 - 9:51 pm | #
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Nate, I'll stop being a bully if you let me trash your car and pelt you with street weapons. Yannow, to show how peaceful I really can be.

Deal?
PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 9:51 pm | #
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Funny -- the link I posted doesn't work just a few minutes after I posted it. Big Brother!

I wonder how that happened?

Silly -- nothing that people say here matters.

Bunch of bullies who are like a pack of wolves -- don't want to think or have dialogue at all -- just want to project and be hurtful.

These actions are completely against the tenets of democracy.

Sucks to see such.

Bullies Suck!!!!
Nate | 02.15.08 - 9:48 pm | #
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Man, I never knew the Olympian's readership was so retarded. All those years as paperboy AFTER GRADUATION FROM EVERGREEN should have taught me something...
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A Bob,

Glad you hire from St. Martins, nothing wrong with that school, 3rd tier, but still pretty sound.

Evergreen has a different paradigm, some of it is good, some bad. Kind of like the workplace. Good managers and bad. Based on your posts on this board, you would fall into the bad category.

In reality most of the greeners could probably kick your butt in an IQ test.

Hopefully I will meet up with you in business. Look forward to showing you just how far down the totem pole you are.
RightAsRain | 02.15.08 - 9:46 pm | #
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Awwwwww, Nate needs a hug.
PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 9:45 pm | #
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I 100% support a blockade of supersaturday and I am willing to be there all weekend with my truck and trailer. How do we organize this?
Come on, lets do it!
Mr.Fixit | 02.15.08 - 9:44 pm | #
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We didn't need TESC before it was built and we don't need it now!!

I'm sick and tired of the continual graffiti on all the road signs and fences out in the Cooper Point area.

These people who are posting defending this cesspool then trying to deflect the attention to the UW, well let me tell you, the Huskies have paid, dearly and so should TESC.

I don't see many Huskies or Cougars for that matter protesting the Ports of Seattle or Pullman, but then again, we're talking about REAL COLLEGES!!
SP Fan | 02.15.08 - 9:42 pm | #
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Nate, the horse is dead, stop beating it.
We know there was a riot at UW but the one at TESC is in OUR comunity!
I have no doubt the citizens near the UW riot are just as mad but tha tdoes nothing to condone what happened at TESC. This kind of thing needs to stop no matter where it happens.
Now more to the point...this happens way to ofetn at TESC. They thrive on this, are coached to behave like this by TESC staff and look forward to being a martyr for the sake of anarchy.
I dont give a shit about UW but I am sick of what is happening at TESC because it is 5 miles from home. Now pull you r head out.
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Barney | 02.15.08 - 8:50 pm |
I hire grads from St Martins... They have worked out better than I ever imagined. They get paid above the average with great benifits. I also have hired from many other schools but I will Never Hire from Evergreen. NEVER. I even do business with the school. What a joke for higher education.
A Bob | 02.15.08 - 9:35 pm | #
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Man, I never knew the Olympian's readership was so retarded. All those years as paperboy should have taught me something...
Brand0 | 02.15.08 - 9:35 pm | #
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This aint Wild Bill Hickock's wild west show. Close down the freak show. Protest Supersaturday. Boycott and blockade access!


http://www.evergreen.edu/supersaturday/
justsayno | 02.15.08 - 9:32 pm | #
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Clearly, the UW should have been shut down after that incident in 2003. Also, it was obvious that Virginia Tech was responsible for the shootings there.
Mark | 02.15.08 - 9:32 pm | #
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@PrettyOlyGirl

These kinds of things happen at UW way more than at TESC -- do some research.

You want to attribute it to TESC, but that is not the case. Just bad reasoning.

Fully expecting another hate post from you.

I'm not sure if your bashing is about identity afirmation or really being concerned about the wellfare of others. Not for me to decide.

I hope you care about others and find these kinds of things not cool. Maybe that is common ground where we can talk about the nature and cause of such. For now it is difficult for me to think that you are interested in that, but guess would rather talk trash and get some personal joy out of confrontation yourself.

(sheesh -- direct and maybe rude -- but how I feel)

Tired of being baited...Last post.

Once again -- I'll post this link.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/ ful...75AC0A9659C8B63
Nate | 02.15.08 - 9:31 pm | #
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This is exactly why we need to elect me for President.
Ron Paul | 02.15.08 - 9:31 pm | #
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Yep, spoken like a true TESC professional unemployeed student.
Mr.Fixit | 02.15.08 - 9:29 pm | #
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you cant really blame the greeners..
but u sure can blame bush ..for fuckn up this counrty thats why the greeners are mad!!
no name | 02.15.08 - 9:15 pm | #


How about doing things legally and not trampeling on everyone elses rights. We vote...we can impeach. We can have civil disagreements. Please do things that are not violent and against the will of the people.
A Bob | 02.15.08 - 9:29 pm | #
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We need evergreen like we need another tent city.

TESC is a blood sucking leach on the unnderbelly of civilization and the entire region would benifint by closing it.

TESC ranks solidly in the bottom 1/3 of liberal colleges nationwide and brings nothing but embarrasment the the city. The frivoulous lawsuits alone is a cost that exceeds its worth.
Mr.Fixit | 02.15.08 - 9:26 pm | #
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The fact is Olympia needs Evergreen to support its economy. So hate it or love, its not going any where.
WOOT | 02.15.08 - 9:17 pm | #

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa
Another person who doesn't pay taxes.
A Bob | 02.15.08 - 9:26 pm | #
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Also, does anyone blame N. Illinois University for the shooting? Or Virgina Tech?

I didn't think so. Univercities and colleges are NOT people.
WOOT | 02.15.08 - 9:21 pm | #
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No name...you are truly an idiot.
Please try to not prove how simple minded you are by blaming every little thing you dislike on Bush. The greeners have a brain and the ability to make a choice. They choose to beak the law and should be held accountable. It is not Bushs fault nor do they have the right to destroy property because they don't like the president.
Mr.Fixit | 02.15.08 - 9:19 pm | #
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I laugh at all the Evergreen haters. The fact is Olympia needs Evergreen to support its economy. So hate it or love, its not going any where.
WOOT | 02.15.08 - 9:17 pm | #
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Nate, when it becomes habitual let us know.
PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 9:16 pm | #
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you cant really blame the greeners..
but u sure can blame bush ..for fuckn up this counrty thats why the greeners are mad!!
no name | 02.15.08 - 9:15 pm | #
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Okay -- not last week -- but in 2003.

Anyway -- the point is that the TESC haters wouldn't call for UW to be shut down over this.

They might even go to the football game and support the incident!

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/ ful...75AC0A9659C8B63
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/ ful...75AC0A9659C8B63
Nate | 02.15.08 - 9:13 pm | #
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Actually, Texan, there most definitely are exams, especially in the science classes, and you'd better believe if you can't cut it, you get asked to leave the class, and eventually the school. As for no grades, what you mean is, there is no letter A,B,C or D sent home on a piece of paper. Instead, we get an entire page written by our professors about how we did in the class. What our strong points were, what our weak points were and where we just plain sucked. At Evergreen, you don't get to hide behind a grade, you get an entire essay about your performance, and waiting for that letter is a whole hell of a lot more scary than when I used to wait for my letter grades.
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Check it out -- the same kind of thing happened just last week at UW -- Do you think they should be shut down?



Go pick on the big guys -- just a bunch of bullies around here.
Nate | 02.15.08 - 9:12 pm | #
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Evergreen does a great job of preparing students for real life. The set the example that all your activities should be emotionally driven in a non-competitive and consequence free environment...
oh wait, real life is nothing like that. that sucks...
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To you hateful TESC bashers: Screw off. All your bile is for naught for your opinions are not heard by those in power and fortunately never will. Nobody is going to close TESC and the only people who might be punished are those who committed crimes. Your homicidal blustering and calls for collective punishment will go unheeded in the home of the free and the land of the brave. I just wish you had the same respect for the rule of law as you demand of everyone else.

To the stupid people who think trashing a police car is sticking it to the Man. I laugh at you. Anti-Reagan and stuff man, yeah! I refer you to the same principle of the Rule of Law. So it was a bad bust Big Deal. A single individual spending a few hours (or even a few days) in custody is far preferable to putting hundreds at risk and tarnishing the reputation of your Alma Mater.

To the Sane and largely Silent majority. Thank you for attempting to share your honest thoughts and feelings about this incident as well as the role of TESC in our community.

To the Olympian. There was way too much of hate speech in this forum. Calling TESC students children and brats is obnoxious but legitimate form of speech but calls for murdering college students surely steps over the line of decorum. As an arbitrator and diseminator of news and opinion your company has an obligation to prevent someone from repeatedly screaming fire in a crowded theater.

In closing let's remember things like a riot at a college campus pales in comparison to murders at a college campus, soldiers being blown up, or the safety and health of our children.

Peace, ya'll I'm out
Anon | 02.15.08 - 9:08 pm | #
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Personnaly Tex I think out local police did a great job. They have been puttinhg up with the greeners for many years. It's a no win situation for them.

I have an idea, Have them not respond to anything involving greeners and when the decent folk around here get feed up their voices will be heard. I think only then will our local mess get cleaned up.

We should be more disappointed in ourselves for allowing this to go on for so long. It is really the spoiled brat syndrome. TIME FOR SOME TOUGH LOVE! Close it down!
Happy Gilmore | 02.15.08 - 9:07 pm | #
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this is a joke, that school is full of a bunch of socialists and should be shut down. thery crap on the flag that so many before them gave their lives for. they aren't americans they are animals. they need to be caged, this latest act should show that.
deb | 02.15.08 - 9:07 pm | #
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It is a good school for people that can't cut it in a "real" school. I can see why so many kids are going for it. No tests, no grades, never geting an F. No stress of waiting for that report card to come in the mail. You do what you want. No tests. Isn't that like not keeping score in a "t ball" game. Because we wouldn't want to upset the kids.
The school should be closed.
Texan | 02.15.08 - 9:03 pm | #
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....single night of unfortunality.... What are you talking about?? There has been an inordinate level of anarchy associated with the staff and students of this school for many years. Do you remember the port protests? How about the mayday march a few years back?
They don't even have a message, they only want to raise hell and see how bad they can piss everone off
Mr.Fixit | 02.15.08 - 9:01 pm | #
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Zamboni, did someone really take a shit in your office?
dashiell | 02.15.08 - 8:58 pm | #
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I am so disapointed in the police force. They should have done their Job. Evergreen is a big FAT joke. It should be closed down. IT really is a cult. Where people are brainwashed into thinking they are getting a real education. Lights are on nobody is home.
Texan | 02.15.08 - 8:54 pm | #
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a single night of unfortunality

hello?
PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 8:54 pm | #
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A couple of years ago there was incidents at UW where faternity students made fires in roads and caused a lot of mayhem. Athletes have been charged withmany violent crimes there...but no blamed the institution of UW for the incidents. Funny thing. It's a matter of attribution theory -- what do you attribute the incident on 2/14 to? Someto the institution of Evergreen..others to a particular situation.

What I'm worried about more is a bigger picture of attribution. For example -- if McCain or any other white guy takes the next presidency and thing get even more sour...No one will ever say that is is due to them being whiite or male.

If either Hillary or Obama gets elected...well...that will not be the case.

Indeed, it seems that this is the same kind of reasoning. For those attributing the actions of a few individuals to the institution of TESC are being less than objective -- and if the same type of affair happened in an institution they respected I believe they would not have the same type of attribution. Like Kent State.

Anyway, TESC is a valuable assett to our community and a single night of unfortunality does little to understanding what TESC is about.

But it is not surprising that this situation is used by some to reinforce preexisting biases.

Not to worry geoducks -- funding and support for TESC is a part of our state's constitution...and a solid institution.

And also, hopefully people who think these kinds of actions are cool will rethink their perspective as theyt are doing a disservice to all that Evergreen is about.
Nate | 02.15.08 - 8:50 pm | #
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"Others were grabbing at deputies' guns."

Sorry, if I were a cop and you were trying to take my gun, your life would be over..wether that means 6ft under ground or eating thru a straw for the rest of your life.
Jersey | 02.15.08 - 8:50 pm | #
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Burt and A Bob, your jobs that you won't hire the Evergreen graduates for probably pay jack. To think you would exclude candidates just because they incidentally attended a certain college is crap. Tens of thousands of people have attended that college. Many of them went on to attend other colleges. If you want to really get riled you should look at the huge sporting event riots that occur that make national news, which would make this squad car event a little picnic.
Barney | 02.15.08 - 8:50 pm | #
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This is just a bunch of damn fool white kids thinking that they are doing something, and messing up the message of social protest.

Yall haters on the right, chill, you honkeys on the left, het to work!
AfroRev | 02.15.08 - 6:42 pm | #


i`m sure there were some black kids in there also rev, stupidity knows no color. ya know what i mean willis?
scooter | 02.15.08 - 8:49 pm | #
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Cah we please just close the school now before someone gets killed in the name of higher education?
Mr.Fixit | 02.15.08 - 8:46 pm | #
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Greener, sorry. Your school has been the laughing stock of the country for a long time now.

Perhaps you and your rational pals might want to speak up a little bit louder.
PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 8:34 pm | #
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I just want to point out, as an Evergreener, that there are a lot of us who are just there to get an education. And a damn good one I might add, especially in the sciences. I'm 28 years old and took 5 years off before I went back to school, so I'm not exactly some kid who doesn't know what they want to do and just ended up at Evergreen. I thought long and hard about where I wanted to be. My point is that you can hardly group all Greeners into one category. I have classes with so many amazing and smart students, some quite young, who are very serious about their educations. People who live in WA don't seem to realize that this "bad reputation" that Evergreen has only exists within this state. Outside of WA it is known as an excellent school.
Please don't refer to us as "those Greeners" when most of us were at home in bed last night.
Greener | 02.15.08 - 8:21 pm | #
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In my opinion: The story has reached the conservative radio and cable talk show hosts on a local and national level. Legislators are being contacted by the media asking their opinions about the matter. Some students, who were there, have identified and turned in the rioters. Many have raised the concern that the band or its camp followers incited the crowd to riot.

I and others have contacted various state agencies and legislators demanding an investigation and requesting immediate arrests of those involved and sanctions placed on the school and activities. We are also calling for the school to be closed, and the site used for other services, as a reasonable cost cutting measure in these hard economic times.
Prophet Atlantis | 02.15.08 - 8:15 pm | #
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Chad,

Funny you should mention teachers. I happen to be a high school teacher. My program is the most popular elective in the school. Many of our students are achieving college levels success. When our principle want to show off our school to visitors, his first stop is always my classroom.

At our school, there are a handful of TESC grads. I have always found these teachers to among the most professional and effective on our staff, including a couple department heads.

Too bad your friend's principle is so biased. I am very glad my children don't attend that school as the principal is a fool.
Greener '84 | 02.15.08 - 8:13 pm | #
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So shingle, mouthpiece, will stamper, howz the ambulace chasing business? The folks renting out the hall need to get a grip on what their bringing inside....the campus.

McCain2008. Got Integrity?
Dino2008. Yer outta there.
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IamNoOne | 02.15.08 - 8:12 pm | #
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President Les Purce should be forced to resign!!! This is an outrage! His POOR leadership once again humiliates our community and higher education. VP for student services, Art Costantino should also resign for his pathetic poor leadership!!! The college is a disgrace and in shambles.
get real | 02.15.08 - 8:11 pm | #
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But was anybody naked????
fashionista | 02.15.08 - 8:10 pm | #
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kim,
Stop blogging! You make no sense!!!!
zamboni | 02.15.08 - 8:09 pm | #
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Right! Nobody at the concert was from Evergreen. Nobody was proven to be using drugs. Where is the proof?
What do you call a person with an IQ of 40? A lawyer!
zamboni | 02.15.08 - 8:07 pm | #
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Everyone assumes that those of us speaking out on behalf of the rule of law are dismissed as conservatives.

Like that's a bad thing.
PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 8:06 pm | #
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The Evergreen State College is once again an embarrassment to higher education and Thurston county. The are a joke!
get real | 02.15.08 - 8:06 pm | #
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"timothy mcveigh was trained by the u.s. military. would any of you suggest that because he killed over 150 people in the oklahoma city bombing, the u.s. military should be closed down and their facilities handed over to amnesty international and doctors without borders?"

for those who need it spelled out, my point was that it's flawed reasoning judgment on an institution based on the behaviors of a few individuals who are (or in the case of thursday night's incident, are not) affiliated with it.

and the tesc-bashers won't be swayed by the fact that evergreen grads do very well in admissions to graduate and professional programs, including medical and law schools. but then, to participate in that dispute is to conflate education and job training, which are not the same thing
kim | 02.15.08 - 8:01 pm | #
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Scott, the venue and the event are not the same. Just as hippies and anarchists are not the same. Just as rioters and the vast majority of accomplished evergreen students are not the same. Getting the picture/
none | 02.15.08 - 7:58 pm | #
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I shouldn't even waste my time reading this drivel, and I'm not going to spend it reading anymore, but don't you idiots realize that CONCERTS on campus have nothing to do with the actual students??? I worked for the school when various bands came through(Dave Matthews for example) and they were just using the space for their shows, the same way you would at the Key Arena. Sure, Evergreen made some money off these events, but they catered to the COMMUNITY, not the students... Place the blame for this where it belongs - with the people who were there, not with the students who mostly live off campus anyway...
Greener then, lawyer now... | 02.15.08 - 7:52 pm | #
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People on this blog should be ashamed to be Evergreen grads; an equivalent to a JC education. Oh. I'm sorry. I insulTed JC schools which are better than EVERGREEN!!!!
zamboni | 02.15.08 - 7:49 pm | #
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"timothy mcveigh was trained by the u.s. military. would any of you suggest that because he killed over 150 people in the oklahoma city bombing, the u.s. military should be closed down and their facilities handed over to amnesty international and doctors without borders?"
kim

Actually the US Army came and testified AGAINST mcveigh and pointed out where their training and discipline ended and his criminality began.

And know what?

The jury gave him the death penalty!

So where are the evergreen administrators?

Are they taking the same actions?

Are they cleaning up their own messes?

No they are not!

Try another avenue... this one doesn't go your way!
scott | 02.15.08 - 7:38 pm | #
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Where does it end? Come on Queen Christine. This place deserves some special attention. We are the laughing stock of the state because of this place.

Pull the plug and crack some heads. Twizzle twazzle twozzel twum, Time for those kids to go home.

Olympia will never have respect as long as we harbor the nuthouse!
Billy Madison | 02.15.08 - 7:28 pm | #
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My my, Proud Greener '84, how things have changed in just 2 yrs, eh? I convinced my son NOT to attend Evergreen if he wanted a REAL education and really wanted to be taken seriously and any subsequent job apps NOT gone into the round file.
Another Anonymous | 02.15.08 - 7:27 pm | #
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So, if the vitriolic right wingers really want to do something, get off your big snowy white behinds and go protest TESC - at the college or perhaps the Capital steps! Oh no, wait, that would involve becoming an active participant in our society vs. just complaining on a website. While I don't condone the "riot" or abuses the police had to endure, I applaud the diversity TESC brings to this little ol' town. Go GEODUCKS ! ! !
bj | 02.15.08 - 7:22 pm | #
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Just like what was said during the "peacefull" demonstrations at the Port of Oly. it is time to shut down Evergreen. BS like this is going to keep happening. clearly the staff and management can not handle their events, and students, and the students are not mature enought to handle such situations. time to shut them down, or better yet, cut off their funding from the state and let them wither away on the vine. I can think of a lot of good places that money could go, we do need new ferrys and more public transportation after all.
Mike in oly | 02.15.08 - 7:20 pm | #
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Beverly, how about a big difference in words and actions.
PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 7:17 pm | #
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