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Archie,
Your wounds were self inflicted because you decided to supposedly "protect citizens right to protest and freedom of speech." Last time I checked are country has the largest military regime in the world. No stupid foreign country is going to even think about trying to mess with us.
This is your country? Not anymore, remember who keeps this country running. I don't even need to tell you!
Frank Dare "Citizen Taxpayer,"
If this would have happened at St. Martin's, you would have said they were just blowing off steam.
You say that President Purce and "his anarchy teaching professors need to be sent packing." You and anyone that thinks they know about the institute need to send yourselves packing to Evergreen and learn what the college is truly about and not what you see looking in from the outside?
The most important piece of knowledge I can relay to all of you that I took from the college, can be simply stated in a few words.
"Don't be scared of the new, seek to understand."
Just FYI, the college actually called the Thurston County Sheriffs in, I know how unbelievable that may be to those under the assumption that TESC promotes a "culture of violence". The person being arrested was inciting violence within the concert, and did not attend Evergreen in the first place. Dead Prez told the crowd to do something about the arrest by getting badge numbers etc, not to riot. I'm just as ashamed about the Riot as the next person, but I also happen to attend Evergreen, and I know that the vast majority of students and faculty here are just as disgusted as I am.
Bruce Wilkerson,
Time to get a life!
Be a productive part of society, by getting a job, growing up! I hope your parents enjoy paying for the patrol cars "possibly" you and or your friends demolished.
It's a shame that I carry shrapnel & pain in my body along with nightmares in my mind fighting in a war for a dud like you!
This is my country... and slime of the earth (you & those like you)aren't going to turn it into a garbage can!!!!!
A lot of interesting comments have been sent to this blog. There are some fine programs and mostly responsible students at TESC,BUT:
Incidents of dangerous, anti-social behavior by mentally ill students and their friends, (usually led by equally mentally ill, cowardly, anarchistic professors)have resulted in increased violence and destruction of public and private property on and off campus.
Decent, law abiding students and faculty need to make it clear to the college administration, that they won't tolerate their peers, professors and others who are responsible for the vandalism and destruction that is clearly increasing in our area, in no uncertain manner. They need to join the public whose taxes support their school.
Students and other young people who promote sick and anti-American speakers for graduation exercises and other events, (including a recorded message from low life who murdered a police officer), have no place in our our education system. The United States of America prides herself on our freedoms, but when criminal actions are encouraged by college staff, the rest of our freedoms are threatened.
In order for Evergreen State College to continue the fine programs enjoyed by the majority of good students, stern measures must be taken.
Purce needs to be replaced, because he's shown he's not a responsible college president. His anarchy teaching professors also need to be sent packing.
Citizen Taxpayer
The first time I ever met a pair of Evergreen college students (that I am aware of) was outside a bar in Shelton about 2 years ago.
They were a couple, and her man had teats. Yes, teats. He was really growing his own teats with hormones because he wanted them, and she, his girlfriend, agreed with this.
HOW FREAKIN DEMENTED!
I HOPE THEY NEVER BREED!
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In my opinion: Tomorrow is Tuesday. Lawyers for the police, TESC, students and concerned citizens have had a few days to prepare their statements and make a legal request to the WA State Legislature and government.
A few people are considering early retirement "to spend more time with their families", or deal with post traumatic stress disorder, or avoid lawsuits. A few students are going to find themselves urged to leave the school or stay off campus and not get into trouble with the police or not be allowed to attend most campus events. A few students are thinking of suing TESC, police, Olympia, WA State and others. A few politicians are going to find themselves with little choice but to use this situation to change or shut down TESC.
Tomorrow is Tuesday. Got Lawyers?
A couple of students and staff have suggested an assembly to meet, talk about the incident and heal.
Les Purce announced a forum will be held on Tuesday @ 12 PM in Lecture Hall 1.
This is during nearly everyone's lunch break. If you're concerned about what happened, please attend this important event.
Angry In Olympia,
Actually the offender you speak of had nothing to do with the actions of others that started the melee with the "authorities." He was detained for another reason and then released for what I've had relatives that have been peace officers say was perfectly normal knowing the non-severity of his actions. And the growing number of people that protested the actions of the police officer.
There was officers from OLY, LACEY and TUMWATER!
i almost cheered for these idiots because i thought, oh well, now theres one less cop to harass me as i go about my daily drives. but as that thought crossed me mind, i realized that it would be my tax dollars that your replace that car with a brand new shiny cop car. now i;m angry.
Hey Bruce, had I been there, I would have been standing behind the cop car yelling "Run his dumbass over"...
Go back to bed, your arguements are as delusional as your dreams surely are!
Kurt Cobain is from WA, Courtney Love was an Evergreen student.
For those of you who support the rioters and their actions, what do you really think they are protesting, and why did what they did make any difference in the community or world?
It is too bad there are a hand full of students that make Evergreen look bad. I am not a student there, but know many who have attended. They received a valuable education and make valuable contributions to our community.
This crap about the Riot could have happened at any college around the country. I don't blame the college or its teachings for that.
These students and posters that cry for Anarchy don't understand where they would be in a system like that. There are a lot of mean people with guns that would make your Anarchist dream turn quickly to a nightmare.
It sounds like Chamberlain from TCSO has been spending too much time with Gary Michael. They are both cowards, and Chamberlain should be fired for being a coward. He should empower his deputies to kick Ass and take names. Not release the offender that started the riot because they were scared. Why didn't he call Tumwater, Olympia, or Lacey for help? Because TCSO has managed to ostrisize all other departments in the area and is now too arrogant to ask for help. Fire the coward!
God, Bruce, I saw your last two posts in TESCTalk and you've found yourself here? Goodluck, man.
You can't compare this riot to whatever historical oppression you like to draw parallels with. This is not miniaturized version of that event that needs action entailing the most retarded excuse for a "riot" ever.
All of this drunken bullshit stemming from drunken students and non-students is really re-affirming the community idiots' ignorant perception of Evergreen. Despite all the worthless jargon and insults that seem to be steaming from this thread, maybe because of this Evergreen will re-evaluate their own reputation and find ways to restore it. These are just rumors and I can't say for sure whether it's true or not because I am no longer a student, but I hear Evergreen is considering accepting more students, which is the last thing they need. But first things first, I hope Evergreen addresses their students, faculty, and police force with some sort of forum. After that, they should really consider addressing the community to make any necessary apologies.
I'd really like to stand up for the school, and while there are certain aspects that deserve some sort of defense, it's hard to muster in this situation.
"Nice creative writing assignment, Sarah.
You are not real.
Fake.
cougar"
I am as real as they come. I was willing to share my real name. Imagine that, Cougar. Is that your real name? I do exist and I apologize if I have offended you by putting down Evergreen but I only speak the truth. I did transfer to Evergreen and the work here is elementary level at best. I hear people crying because they have to read 2 books in one week. You are taking 16 credits. I had to read 2 books a week for each 4 credit class I had at my old school. There is no challenge.
Barbara,
Actually my sentences were grammatically correct. I did not realize that it was a requirement though. Yes, I did spell some words incorrectly because I was typing very fast and did not feel the need to go back and correct them. I apologize if I got under your skin and took up space in your head.
"Not so fast. One would hope that you will depart Evergreen with the skills to write a grammatically correct sentence, with all of the words spelled correctly."
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ZAMBONI,
Just because two students did some extremely stupid things in your office doesn't mean that all TESC students are like that. But once again you are just another part of the narrow minded idiots of Olympia, that believe they know about TESC.
ANON,
The school will never be shut down for the idiotic actions of a bunch of 18 and 19 year old intoxicated privileged white kids from the east coast. Because their mommies and daddies will just turn a blind eye and pay for what their "little angels" did because "they were just venting and decided to vent their anger in the wrong way." Well, that's how a lot of these little S.O.B's get out of issues I've seen at Evergreen.
Hey Greeners!
No you can't!
Get cured form that terminal case of Afluenza....that is. Might I quote an icon from the movement, it was either Seales or Carmichael, I think it went something like "Burn Baby, burn." Pwah! Just kidding. I wont be sending any of my kids there. I dont like all that hyper touchy feely crap that leaves the hard sciences in the back seat. Your image is everything, I'm sure.
McCain2008. Got Integrity?
Dino2008. Yer outta there.
homepage: http://www.myspace.com/iamnoone
Well, there you have it. As long as there is no clear leader and you do everything with a mob of people, criminal liability should be thrown out the window.............But then again, didn't the police act together as a group too? I guess that means that you don't get to blame them anymore. Just a couple mobs clashing. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Ultimately non-students will have to fend for themselves. I think that is unfortunate for them, but Evergreen certainly doesn't have to help in that investigation and students can help protect them from being scapegoats. I would be incredibly sad if some non-student got the book thrown at him. There really isn't a good way to punish one person, there was no master mind, or leader, or inciter.
Bruce Wilkinson,
So Evergreen has procedures for dealing with this type of crap and will take care of it? That's funny, because most of the greeners on here are saying that it wasn't the Evergreen students doing this. How will you dicipline non-students?
Maybe we should go the the college's student parking lot and destroy $35,000 to $50,000 worth of their cars and see if they like it.....................On second thought, at $150 a car, we would be there all day turning the pieces of crap over!!!!!!!!!!! Never mind.
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Close the college. Enough said.
If you asked any of those privileged little cretins (who often come from the East Coast to Evergreen/Oly for their West Coast hippy trip) what good came of this charade, I bet that not one of them could articulate an intelligent response.
I hope that they figure out who assaulted the police officer and destroyed her car, so they can pay for her pain and suffering, along with reparation or replacement of the car. By destroying her car, they are destroying public property that taxpayers--you know, people that actually work--paid for.
Likewise, while there are bad police officers out there, most of them actually are decent people with very hard jobs. These are the people who repond to crime scenes, fatality accidents, rescue children from abusive homes, and risk their lives for maybe 50k/year (every year, until they retire and have heart attacks, due to all the stress that they and their families endured while they were actually trying to HELP people).
If these supposedly open-minded people from TESC actually talked to one of them, without assuming that they were evil control-freaks, they might actually see them as human! But no, the types of TESC students and residents of Oly that cause crap like this aren't going to do that, because they are some of the most narrow-minded control freaks under the sun.
If you don't think like them, you are sh*t. You are "big brother." You are a "sell out." You are a whatever they want to make you out to be. That mind-set is pathetic, uninformed and, as we can see from what happened recently, potentially violent.
I grew up in this area as the daughter of a Washington State Patrolman. I also graduated from TESC several years ago. I know both sides of this story well and I can't help but be disgusted by these student's actions.
Don't get me wrong, because I am all for questioning authority. I am all for protesting and making changes. I am hardly into a big brother type system at all. However, I am not into violence.
Arresting someone for misdemeanor assault is hardly worthy of a violent riot!
If these students want to actually make a difference, why don't they actually open their minds enough to see the police officer as human and evaluate the situation, without jumping to conclusions?
C'mon people! All people like this do is support TESC's bad image of being hypersensitive and indescriminately reactionary. Shame on them!
They aren't part of a progressive conversation, they are irresponsible little sh*ts with a strong sense of entitlement and violent tempers.
Pathetic.
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Is there not anyone here who is familiar with the way the law works? I see people bashing TCSO but let's take a look at how it really works:
We pay extra $$ to put more deputies on the road to protect us and ours. They make an arrest and the prosecutor is responsible for ......PROSECUTING!! Hello! If people aren't charged it's not because the deputy didn't "want" them charged, it's because the prosecutor decided, for whatever reasons, not to proceed with prosecution. What in the holy hell does that have to do with the deputies?? NOTHING!!! We hire them, train them, send them out to protect us, but then don't put people in the prosecutors office who SUPPORT THEM. I have news for you neighbors... if we don't wake up to this "problem"... we may as well move! It's not just about having more officers on the road... we need people who will prosecute them and then someplace to put them! Yes, that means more cages!
The other issue that is addressed over and over is that TCSO "let the guy go" and many think that was mishandled. Let's look at the alternative: They arrest and detain the subject... the crowd becomes unruly. We have a handfull of officers available for the initial response. The article includes quotes from Chamberlain that "people were grabbing at the guns of the initial responding officers", thowing bottles, garbage cans and rocks at them... etc. So clearly, it was escalating. What do you expect would have happened had they NOT let the dumbass smoking pot go??? How many naysayers would be supporting TCSO when they had to shoot 25 people that night because they had no other options? There were just a few officers on the scene at that time.. NOT in riot gear, NOT with enough manpower and protection... had it escalated any further, they would have had to use what to protect themselves? Garbage cans and rocks? Come on people... think this one over..YOU don't want the alternative. So one pot-smoking looser who assaulted a security guard didn't sit in jail Friday night....guaranteed he will before the month is over... and probably for a NEW crime!
"Please the only thing that ever came out of TESC is potheads, cartoonist, and struggling pottery makers."
Prove it.
"These actions by Evergreen students are AN INSPIRATION TO THE WHOLE COUNTRY."
No.
If TESC wants to continue supporting these types of venues... they need to understand that OUR police force (the one W-E pay for) IS NOT RESPONDING to bail any of the dumbasses out during these events. All those officers tied up Friday night at TESC, unable to respond to OUR emergencies in a timely fashion, to protect OUR property. So while our police resources are up at TESC for some dumbass smoking pot who assaults someone trying to stop him... WE, the public have our asses hanging out with nobody available. THAT is the travisty I see... who cares if someone at a TESC concert is smoking pot? So what?? Truly, what a waste of time and resources...but OH NO... someone has to call TCSO and look what happened! I say, if you go to TESC, you should do so with the understanding that if you get your stupid ass in trouble while you are there... you are on your own. Period. Doesn't matter who you are or what the trouble is... that place is a sh*t hole and their admission forms shoud have "ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK" printed on the top. It I-S a different climate than it used to be... but it I-S WHAT IT I-S.
These actions by Evergreen students are AN INSPIRATION TO THE WHOLE COUNTRY. PLEASE keep fighting! All of these negative comments from adults who aren't even students are worthless. The "left" is always against real revolt, the liberals are always the ones calling the cops to protect their anti-police brutality demo. Evergreen's shown them how to freakin do it! Up with the anarchy, down with the police!
By the way, it is deeply disturbing and disgustingly for any of you to be comparing rape victims to the police who were justly fought against. It's also disgusting to lump them together with "minorities" who are discriminated against. Oh my god, the poor oppressed police class! Are you kidding? Are you really that awfully racist, sexist, and homophobic that you equalize the "other" you care so much about with the police?! I've got news for you, when the suffragettes fought the police, when riots spread across the south in poor black ghettos in the south (Forget that, try Cincinatti in 2001!), and when queers beat up police during the Stonewall riots and smashed up their cars with parking meters ripped out of the pavement: they were exhibiting the "unaccptable behavior" your condemn.
Let's recognize the "leftist liberals" for what they are, people who flirt with radical ideas for fashion but condemn those who carry them out. Let's make a clean break from these Obama-worshipping dinosaurs and keep up the renewed uninhibited revolt against the social order!
Viva la anarquía!
Pretty Oly Girl... Wanna do coffee sometime?
"Well, last time I checked TESC has been named one of the top 15 liberal arts colleges in the nation, and a big part of that was due to the teaching techniques and methods.
I suggest to all of you conservative right wing nuts against TESC...Jesus is not going to strike you down for going to Evergreen to learn what the institution is all about."
For a college that doesn't like to give out grades they sure like being graded dont they. I know what the college is about and they try and make a student well rounded through crap like "Native American Story-Telling" "African Dance" "Modern Feminism"....is it any wonder we rank consistently on the bottom of all industrialised nations when it comes to reading,writing, and math?
Please the only thing that ever came out of TESC is potheads, cartoonist, and struggling pottery makers.
Hold these people accountable! But the sad thing is that most likely the guilty ones don't even attend TESC ,but the people who do (and who are probably innocent) will be penalized for this by a hefty tuition increase.
Hip Hop
Music for rapists done by rapists.
Just to let everyone know.
When it was announced at one of those rallies a mass casualty amount of American Soldiers they cheered and high fived and whooped it up.
Olympia is one of the favorite cities of Osama Bin Laden.
There was celebrations downtown on 9/11.
Only good thing about this party was the children the participants rape got a few hours break.
Olympians spit on soldiers routinely but welcome child rapists.
Bomb Olympia because we need to kill all terrorists and their supporters and every single person that lives there is a terrorist or a terrorist supporter.
I begin this statement letting all those know that I am in no way speaking for the college and or the radio station that some of you know me from.
First off, to all the anti-evergreen community members that feel the need to chime in about the event, please refrain from saying anything. Making comments on this site is a waste of your time because your commenting on what you've been told through the eyes of people on opposite sides of the fence.
All of you think you have a grasp of the teachings at this institution, but are poorly mistaken every time you open your mouths. It is truly funny for me to read that a lot of you believe that the institution and it's faculty teach disobedience. And because the institution and faculty use different techniques and methods to teach these ADULT students is wrong. And because of a few of your ideas about the institution the state should shut the school down. Well, last time I checked TESC has been named one of the top 15 liberal arts colleges in the nation, and a big part of that was due to the teaching techniques and methods.
I suggest to all of you conservative right wing nuts against TESC...Jesus is not going to strike you down for going to Evergreen to learn what the institution is all about.
Secondly, Some of you have stated that DEAD PREZ and Sistah Hailstorm are "all politically motivated, hate bands... not hip hop." Once again proving that all of you can not think for yourself and would rather take some so called valuable information that you found on the internet about the group and try to enlighten The Olympian comment writers. To call either Dead Prez and Sistah Hailstorm a hate band and or hate artist is simply stating your ignorance of their music, which is hip hop in its rarest form.
A note to all you self proclaimed hip hop fans educate yourself about the difference between rap and hip hop, because most likely you are a lover of rap and not hip hop!
To quote: El HEFE, "the 'musicians' in the band that helped provoke this action aren't responsible in anyway are they?...that thug gangsta sh*t is what kids today live on..." posted | 02.15.08 - 6:56 am |
Having been at the concert, the group did not provoke the action of a few intoxicated students. The group did provoke the concert goers to watch out for the person being arrested and to make their voice known at City Hall, The School President's office and the Police Department of Evergreen if there was any type of police brutality.
To EL HEFE and anyone who thinks they know about the groups and their style of music that was performed at Evergreen was the complete opposite of what EL HEFE states as "that thug gangsta sh*t is what kids today live on."
The "thug gangsta sh*t" as it is referred to by EL HEFE, you can typically hear coming out of any popular Seattle TOP 40 radio station and even out of your own children's mp3 player or computer. The message from a lot of your child's favorite rap artists is all about sex, abusing women, getting paper (money), getting drunk, buying big cars and houses. If you don't want your kids to live on that style of music, start being a parent and not friend and get rid of the crap they are buying and listening to.
To paraphrase the ideology of some of my favorite hip hop artists and to bestow knowledge on those that dislike Evergreen..."GO OUT AND EDUCATE YOURSELF! DON'T BE SCARED OF WHAT IS NEW TO YOU!"
As for the fans in attendance that instigated the actions of the "authorities", this part of my message is to you!
What was your reasoning for inciting violence against another human being? I constantly hear the idea being preached of living peacefully as one. So why didn't some of you break up the fight that ended up with the police coming to the show. Now with them there, DEAD PREZ stated to watch the police and hold them accountable. You got what you chanted "Let Him Go!" The "criminal" was released and some of you decided to be an obstruction of "justice" by taunting and throwing items at the "authorities." What happened to peaceful resistance and protest?
Now answer me this, why do you feel the "authorities" were wrong for defending themselves as they did with pepper spray? There were many large objects being thrown at them for no good reason. Oh wait there was a reason I heard yelled from the crowd, "Let's get these f'n pigs out of here!"
I say to those that were supposedly sprayed unjustly you got what you deserved. And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart publicly for two things. #1: Letting me get sprayed along with a friend that took to heart what D.P. said about watching the cops and their actions. But for those wanting to know, my friend and I were dusted by the spray. Which was enough for us to move up the hill away from what was soon to be the site of the toppled squad car. And #2: Giving me the joy of watching some rich kids and trust fund dread lock wearing hippies get their butts whooped on by cops and state patrol.
For the community members that believe the institution should be held responsible for the actions of a few that decided to loot and destroy county property, are you kidding? The institution, the musicians and record labels (as one person commented) had nothing to do with a few people making the idiotic decision of turning over a squad car and or as many did instigate the "authorities" to use force.
NEXT TIME PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE AND YOU MIGHT GET WHAT YOU WANT. BUT IF YOU DON'T, RECOGNIZE THAT VIOLENCE IS GOING TO GET YOUR BUTT HANDED TO YOU AGAIN.
AND TO THOSE PEOPLE THAT CAME TO THE EVENT AND INSTIGATED THE "RIOT" PLEASE KEEP AWAY FROM EVERGREEN. YOUR ONE OF THE MANY REASONS WHY MANY COMMUNITY MEMBERS DON'T UNDERSTAND EVERGREEN, YOU UNDERMINE THE SCHOOLS WAYS IDEAS!
RESPETO A TODO MI GENTE QUE NO MOLESTO LOS PUERCOS Y PUERCAS!
TODOS LAS RAZAS TIAHUI!
Sarah -- "I came to Evergreen in the Fall with the idea that I was going to recive an education ... I have literally been able to attend less than half of my classes and still pass. I spend very little time workign on homework and I have written soem of the worst papers of my life and received outstanding comments from the instructors ... I am just one quareter away from graduation and I am ready to leave."
Not so fast. One would hope that you will depart Evergreen with the skills to write a grammatically correct sentence, with all of the words spelled correctly.
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Sober enough to count stars and not near drunk enough to put up with you're ridiculous questions!!
I am a fake poster? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahaha
How many h's were in that? Don't go to sleep with that joint in your hand counting them!
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You know what that means .......
ROAD TRIP!
I demand that the dean put all faculty
and students on double secret probation
An impressive display of feces throwing by the conserva-monkeys today.
Bye, Bruno. This should help ease the parking problem downtown.
Olympia is no longer a community where people respect each other...
My Property Tax increased 31% this year and the city can't maintain law and order?
How can anyone justify the destruction of public property?
Enough is enough and I never thought I would say it's time for me to leave.
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Wow! Tonja is pretty entertaining, isn't she, folks?
But is she REAL? I still can't tell. It could be the work of a very clever troll/fakeposter. So, either way, I must say: Good on you, "Tonja", whoever you are!
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(If she's really drunk, maybe all the stars will put her to sleep!)
How drunk ARE you, Tonja?
Nice creative writing assignment, Sarah.
You are not real.
Fake.
YEA OH BOY, stuck feet in rear that time, didn't you??
Why don't you EVERGREENERS, meaning those that are born and raised in WA. State, ever watch that ignorant mouth?
When these new and real voices speak up
I came to Evergreen in the Fall with the idea that I was going to recive an education. I am still attending Evergreen and I am offended by the comments that people are making about the students. Yes, quite a few people that attend Evergreen make a bad name for us students who are really interested in learning, but please don't lump all of us into one category. I am a transfer student to Evergreen who came in with a 3.8 G.P.A. I have worked hard towards bettering my future. Honestly, Evergreen does not have high standards of accountability and they do not offer academic challenge to the students; however, there are some intelligent people at Evergreen. I was accepted into several good colleges and chose Evergreen so that my husband could work on his Master's at UW. I believe that Evergreen needs to change the way they do things. Evergreen needs to start being held accountable. They need to hand out grades and the staff needs to come down on the students who are participating in these illegal activites, rather than participating and encouraging them. Evergreen likes the young impressionable students because they are able to brainwash them with their bullshit. The staff does not like students like myself because I challenge their ideas. I have literally been able to attend less than half of my classes and still pass. I spend very little time workign on homework and I have written soem of the worst papers of my life and received outstanding comments from the instructors. I feel cheated spending my money at Evergreen because I do not feel that I am learning. I do not like the way we do not receive grades. I just do not think that shutting down the campus or bulldozing the students or making threats to the Evergreen students is the answer. I do not agree with what the students did last night. I think it was disgraceful and I am sick and tired of trying to defend my school. I am just one quareter away from graduation and I am ready to leave. I don't even feel comfortable going to class after all of this. Please stop the rude comments on the forum and quit lumping all Evergreen students into one single group.
682 and counting. wow! never seen it go this high.
Don't mind me, Tonja.
I love to kid.
Too bad all the terrorists activities are committed on United States soil and the Iraqis' we don't have to worry about, huh???
Which university or college will be shot up next, in the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA?
Well, you should be watching out for those terrorists as much as I do...
Thanks for the "warning."
*KAABBOOMMM!*
I tried to warn her.
When I can't spell or post anything logical, I just call someone a psycho.
I know how to spell that because everyone in my family has been diagnosed with that syndrome.
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
I have to go to ESC now, because NO real college will accept me!
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It sucks when...
PSYCHO
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Because I can post anytime on the OLY when I feel like it.
You may feel like LOGGING off before I EXPLODE your head with too many facts.
Learn how to spell, Evergreener.
Tonja- why don't you STFU before your head expoldes.
Oh Boy, loggeed back off and you won't be disappointed anymore.
... pardon me, I meant to say looged on.
I always figured sustainable development was important enough. Shit like this happens elsewhere. TESC is an easy target for the ignorant.
Well, the quality of discourse certainly has gone downhill since I last loggeed on...
Do away with ESC and federal funding!
That's not a college, it's a cult!
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m'kay.
Dorie Munson, who is the mouth of the North West here in WA., shows how 5 of Obama's speeches include a woman in the front audience who needs water, and he just happens to have one handy to toss at her, and does.
Bet he would throw a D&C instrument
to her also so she could perform her very own abortion right there in front of everyone, if that were possible.
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Thanks TONYA!
THESE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THIS CRIME VOTE, DON'T THEY?
BET IT'S FOR OBAMA.
FUNNY HOW OBAMA ALWAYS HAS A WOMAN IN THE FRONT AUDIENCE IN HIS SPEECHES WHO IS ABOUT TO WISP AWAY, AND HE "ALWAYS" HAS A COLD BOTTLE OF WATER TO OFFER TO HER AID...
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Evergreen is the laughing stock of the country.
I have hundreds of quotes to attest.
Evergreen is some of the best blog fodder there is.
Thanks!
PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 11:41 pm | #
OlyGirl,
On wikipedia, we call what you spew "weasel words." Make a point or shut the hell up.
justsayno,
The D.A.R.E. program was canceled after all those years for the same reason you should give up the anti-evergreen gimmick: ineffective.
Evergreen is the laughing stock of the country.
I have hundreds of quotes to attest.
Evergreen is some of the best blog fodder there is.
Thanks!
And we thought poorly of Rev Jim Jones in Guanya. We pay teachers at tesc to do the same thing. Brainwash! Now if we could just get em to drink their kool-aide
Sounds like normal behavior for the Anarchist in that part of town.
Maybe they should take out their aggressions in some Cage fighting - the anarchists that is.
Better yet, lock them in a cage.
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I like the comment about how the police arrested the one black guy that was involved in the fight. These Evergreen students come to safe, white bread Olympia to learn diversity and practice insignificant civil disobediance. The funny thing is, the police are one of the biggest barriers from locals beating these students down. They should be happy the police are around.
Remove law enforcement from the campus (TESC Security included) and put it on the do not respond list for the police. Either the students will take the initiative (as good greeners should) or the place will descend into anarchy and teach a lesson to people about what organized society is.
Jim Flynn, I agree.
Those Evergrener freaks have no concept of accountability...or reality. What are they teaching at that school??? They have no place in the real world.
Fighting Geoduck
haahaaahaaa!!! he said geoduck.....haahaahaa!!
yes you greeners are GEODUCKS
go back and stick your collective heads in the mud......
Why is the Evergreen State College, its students and faculty, never held accountable for their actions? Why is it always "someone else's fault" when port commerce is blocked, buildings are vandalized, now college security personnel are intimidated and police cars destroyed and burglarized? People and institutions should be held accountable for their actions. If people resist arrest and destroy property, they should be held accountable. If the faculty and the college administration, who are responsible for the faculty, are inciting students to civil disobedience as part of their education in freedom; then they should be liable for payment of the laboratory fees. Not the City of Olympia, the Port of Olympia or Thurston county. Those citizens are already subsidizing college operations and tuition through their tax dollars. If Evergreen is going to use our communities for civil disobedience labs, then they should be billed for the costs of added law enforcement and garbage collection. The college President should have his learned faculty make that expense a line item in their classroom budgets. He is certainly paid well enough to assume that responsibility. As for all concerned, how about a required class in personal accountability?
P.S. Cut your hair and get a job! You Evergreeners could use a dose of reality.
darn spell check
J,
You're lucky to live in the USA. If this was Iran, you and your "friend" would have been shot. Count your blessings you ignorant Evergreener freak.
Your school has been the laughing stock of the country for a long time now.
- PrettyOlyGirl | 02.15.08 - 8:34 pm | #
Actually POG, please read the folowing item:
"In late 2006, Evergreen's level of academic challenge among freshman and seniors was marked in the top ten percent of all baccalaureate colleges in the nation by the National Survey of Student Engagement, a study by Indiana University and the Pew Charitable Trusts."
TESCs level of academic challenge was in the TOP 10 PERCENT of ALL baccaualreate colleges in the entire US. That would include Ivy League schools....ya know, like Harvard and Yale.
You might be pretty but you're not too smart.
.
J,
If racism was involved in the arrest, file a lawsuit. Deal with things in a civilized way. Don't riot. I thought they taught you students critical thinking???
Now J I have to say... you are typical of victim mentality of tesc students...
As a student at Evergreen who wasn't near the riot when it happened, but knows some who were.. i just want to say that no student hurt any person.. property, yes. It was students who were beat so badly to go to the hospital by the police.
I realize the crowd got out of control, and with little purpose -I am not excusing them for it - but I'd like to say there is something inspiring about a crowd of students convincing police - people who are given the often unjust and unfair role in society of always having the moral upper-hand in every situation - to leave without using any kind of violence on a person. Yeah, not too constructive, but do any of you know why the students were mad? I think part of it was an element of "groupthink", I won't deny that. but some of those angry students knew the person who was arrested. Several people were fighting and guess which person was arrested? The one black guy. So they were pumped up and inspired to act (by their radical hip hop music) on what they perceived, and may have truly been, a very racist choice.
What? Violence at a hip-hop concert? What a shock!
HUM ?,,,,,Let me see if I can sum this up. Everyone involved in this little issue have got to be the biggest dumbf___ks in this town. Did it make little johnny pencil dick feel tough to roll over a police car? WITH 20 OTHER PEOPLE!! P.u.s.s.i.e.s !!!
And THEY didn't sell tickets, make money OR even invite the guests......
LP has a great point....as I recall from the POOP incidents....it's The Port, the Military and Olympia Police...US, that are being held financially responsible.
And it was The Port and the OPD that "should have been better prepared"......
After dealing with this incident all day and reading through so many of the posts, the one thing that nobody seems to be remembering is who is really responsible for this whole situation.
If I were to hold a beer and barbecue party at my house and invite my guests to party with me, and then they went about my neighborhood raiding people's yards and homes, would I not be held somehow responsible for creating the venue for the situation? If you were my neighbor, I'm so completely sure you would want me held accountable for some of it, if not all of it.
It appears that TESC administration allows their students to operate on campus without much supervision. Holding such an event without much security and provisions for crowd control during a controversial type of entertainment, what type of thinking was that? Maybe none? It's almost as if they've never held any public event there at all, which we're all very well aware is not the case.
Also, all the posts comparing TESC to King County schools or the tragic incidents occurring at other schools across the nation where a lone shooter is creating such horror, those are individual people, not an entire group of about 200 students and their guests, terrorizing their communities. And I'm sorry, but I moved to Olympia because of the quiet, more even-tempered climate of the people. I don't wish to live in the big cities or to experience big city issues. Been there, done that. Therefore, I do not wish for those issues of the larger cities to be acceptable in my community. Just because people are being terrorized in those other communities does not make it OK for it to occur here. Something has happened in the past to keep Olympia a secret capitol, and it's been a blessing for this community. Do not let the occurrences and tragedies of big city schools condone what happens here and just say it should be expected. NO it should NOT!
And people, please, the grammar and spelling throughout these posts make me cringe. Are all of you actually educated or just spouting? Everyone is reading these, clean it up and become more professional. Trust me, others will take you more seriously and possibly listen to what you think.
We need to take a Caterpillar bulldozer and give Neverclean the Corrie treatment.
ROTFLMAO!!!!
For those that like to bring up other colleges that have had riots, is it a disturbing trend at those schools? Do they have professors leading them in violent protests and then a few months later surround and destroy police patrol cars? Any riot on a campus is a bad thing. Violence among the "peaceful" evergreen students is becoming an all to disturbing trend!
Nate, you are paranoid and delusional. Seek help brother
No Marcus, I did not apparently miss anything.
But did you read that this article is about a RIOT at TESC and has NOTHING to do with anything at UW.
Marcus,
I don't care if the arrest was for all the wrong reasons. There was NO reason to react the way they did. False arrest makes for a good lawsuit. But, shouldn't be a reason to riot and destroy public property.
IT seems to me that spfan apparently forgot about the uw riots only a few years ago. Lets also not forget countless problems on both campuses with chronic underage drinking.
@the olympian.
you failed to report why the arrest was made in the first place! it's this type of media failure that breeds community distrust that many students at evergreen have been lumped in to. This comes as no surprise given that you are owned by a corporation that could give less than two winks about olympia or accurate reporting.
go figure.
Nate, do you believe that $30K in damage to public property is democratic?
Nate, I'll stop being a bully if you let me trash your car and pelt you with street weapons. Yannow, to show how peaceful I really can be.
Deal?
Funny -- the link I posted doesn't work just a few minutes after I posted it. Big Brother!
I wonder how that happened?
Silly -- nothing that people say here matters.
Bunch of bullies who are like a pack of wolves -- don't want to think or have dialogue at all -- just want to project and be hurtful.
These actions are completely against the tenets of democracy.
Sucks to see such.
Bullies Suck!!!!
Man, I never knew the Olympian's readership was so retarded. All those years as paperboy AFTER GRADUATION FROM EVERGREEN should have taught me something...
Brand0 | 02.15.08 - 9:35 pm | #
A Bob,
Glad you hire from St. Martins, nothing wrong with that school, 3rd tier, but still pretty sound.
Evergreen has a different paradigm, some of it is good, some bad. Kind of like the workplace. Good managers and bad. Based on your posts on this board, you would fall into the bad category.
In reality most of the greeners could probably kick your butt in an IQ test.
Hopefully I will meet up with you in business. Look forward to showing you just how far down the totem pole you are.
Awwwwww, Nate needs a hug.
I 100% support a blockade of supersaturday and I am willing to be there all weekend with my truck and trailer. How do we organize this?
Come on, lets do it!
We didn't need TESC before it was built and we don't need it now!!
I'm sick and tired of the continual graffiti on all the road signs and fences out in the Cooper Point area.
These people who are posting defending this cesspool then trying to deflect the attention to the UW, well let me tell you, the Huskies have paid, dearly and so should TESC.
I don't see many Huskies or Cougars for that matter protesting the Ports of Seattle or Pullman, but then again, we're talking about REAL COLLEGES!!
Nate, the horse is dead, stop beating it.
We know there was a riot at UW but the one at TESC is in OUR comunity!
I have no doubt the citizens near the UW riot are just as mad but tha tdoes nothing to condone what happened at TESC. This kind of thing needs to stop no matter where it happens.
Now more to the point...this happens way to ofetn at TESC. They thrive on this, are coached to behave like this by TESC staff and look forward to being a martyr for the sake of anarchy.
I dont give a shit about UW but I am sick of what is happening at TESC because it is 5 miles from home. Now pull you r head out.
Barney | 02.15.08 - 8:50 pm |
I hire grads from St Martins... They have worked out better than I ever imagined. They get paid above the average with great benifits. I also have hired from many other schools but I will Never Hire from Evergreen. NEVER. I even do business with the school. What a joke for higher education.
Man, I never knew the Olympian's readership was so retarded. All those years as paperboy should have taught me something...
This aint Wild Bill Hickock's wild west show. Close down the freak show. Protest Supersaturday. Boycott and blockade access!
http://www.evergreen.edu/supersaturday/
Clearly, the UW should have been shut down after that incident in 2003. Also, it was obvious that Virginia Tech was responsible for the shootings there.
@PrettyOlyGirl
These kinds of things happen at UW way more than at TESC -- do some research.
You want to attribute it to TESC, but that is not the case. Just bad reasoning.
Fully expecting another hate post from you.
I'm not sure if your bashing is about identity afirmation or really being concerned about the wellfare of others. Not for me to decide.
I hope you care about others and find these kinds of things not cool. Maybe that is common ground where we can talk about the nature and cause of such. For now it is difficult for me to think that you are interested in that, but guess would rather talk trash and get some personal joy out of confrontation yourself.
(sheesh -- direct and maybe rude -- but how I feel)
Tired of being baited...Last post.
Once again -- I'll post this link.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/
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This is exactly why we need to elect me for President.
Yep, spoken like a true TESC professional unemployeed student.
you cant really blame the greeners..
but u sure can blame bush ..for fuckn up this counrty thats why the greeners are mad!!
no name | 02.15.08 - 9:15 pm | #
How about doing things legally and not trampeling on everyone elses rights. We vote...we can impeach. We can have civil disagreements. Please do things that are not violent and against the will of the people.
We need evergreen like we need another tent city.
TESC is a blood sucking leach on the unnderbelly of civilization and the entire region would benifint by closing it.
TESC ranks solidly in the bottom 1/3 of liberal colleges nationwide and brings nothing but embarrasment the the city. The frivoulous lawsuits alone is a cost that exceeds its worth.
The fact is Olympia needs Evergreen to support its economy. So hate it or love, its not going any where.
WOOT | 02.15.08 - 9:17 pm | #
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa
Another person who doesn't pay taxes.
Also, does anyone blame N. Illinois University for the shooting? Or Virgina Tech?
I didn't think so. Univercities and colleges are NOT people.
No name...you are truly an idiot.
Please try to not prove how simple minded you are by blaming every little thing you dislike on Bush. The greeners have a brain and the ability to make a choice. They choose to beak the law and should be held accountable. It is not Bushs fault nor do they have the right to destroy property because they don't like the president.
I laugh at all the Evergreen haters. The fact is Olympia needs Evergreen to support its economy. So hate it or love, its not going any where.
Nate, when it becomes habitual let us know.
you cant really blame the greeners..
but u sure can blame bush ..for fuckn up this counrty thats why the greeners are mad!!
Okay -- not last week -- but in 2003.
Anyway -- the point is that the TESC haters wouldn't call for UW to be shut down over this.
They might even go to the football game and support the incident!
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/
ful...75AC0A9659C8B63
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/
ful...75AC0A9659C8B63
Actually, Texan, there most definitely are exams, especially in the science classes, and you'd better believe if you can't cut it, you get asked to leave the class, and eventually the school. As for no grades, what you mean is, there is no letter A,B,C or D sent home on a piece of paper. Instead, we get an entire page written by our professors about how we did in the class. What our strong points were, what our weak points were and where we just plain sucked. At Evergreen, you don't get to hide behind a grade, you get an entire essay about your performance, and waiting for that letter is a whole hell of a lot more scary than when I used to wait for my letter grades.
Check it out -- the same kind of thing happened just last week at UW -- Do you think they should be shut down?
Go pick on the big guys -- just a bunch of bullies around here.
Evergreen does a great job of preparing students for real life. The set the example that all your activities should be emotionally driven in a non-competitive and consequence free environment...
oh wait, real life is nothing like that. that sucks...
To you hateful TESC bashers: Screw off. All your bile is for naught for your opinions are not heard by those in power and fortunately never will. Nobody is going to close TESC and the only people who might be punished are those who committed crimes. Your homicidal blustering and calls for collective punishment will go unheeded in the home of the free and the land of the brave. I just wish you had the same respect for the rule of law as you demand of everyone else.
To the stupid people who think trashing a police car is sticking it to the Man. I laugh at you. Anti-Reagan and stuff man, yeah! I refer you to the same principle of the Rule of Law. So it was a bad bust Big Deal. A single individual spending a few hours (or even a few days) in custody is far preferable to putting hundreds at risk and tarnishing the reputation of your Alma Mater.
To the Sane and largely Silent majority. Thank you for attempting to share your honest thoughts and feelings about this incident as well as the role of TESC in our community.
To the Olympian. There was way too much of hate speech in this forum. Calling TESC students children and brats is obnoxious but legitimate form of speech but calls for murdering college students surely steps over the line of decorum. As an arbitrator and diseminator of news and opinion your company has an obligation to prevent someone from repeatedly screaming fire in a crowded theater.
In closing let's remember things like a riot at a college campus pales in comparison to murders at a college campus, soldiers being blown up, or the safety and health of our children.
Peace, ya'll I'm out
Personnaly Tex I think out local police did a great job. They have been puttinhg up with the greeners for many years. It's a no win situation for them.
I have an idea, Have them not respond to anything involving greeners and when the decent folk around here get feed up their voices will be heard. I think only then will our local mess get cleaned up.
We should be more disappointed in ourselves for allowing this to go on for so long. It is really the spoiled brat syndrome. TIME FOR SOME TOUGH LOVE! Close it down!
this is a joke, that school is full of a bunch of socialists and should be shut down. thery crap on the flag that so many before them gave their lives for. they aren't americans they are animals. they need to be caged, this latest act should show that.
It is a good school for people that can't cut it in a "real" school. I can see why so many kids are going for it. No tests, no grades, never geting an F. No stress of waiting for that report card to come in the mail. You do what you want. No tests. Isn't that like not keeping score in a "t ball" game. Because we wouldn't want to upset the kids.
The school should be closed.
....single night of unfortunality.... What are you talking about?? There has been an inordinate level of anarchy associated with the staff and students of this school for many years. Do you remember the port protests? How about the mayday march a few years back?
They don't even have a message, they only want to raise hell and see how bad they can piss everone off
Zamboni, did someone really take a shit in your office?
I am so disapointed in the police force. They should have done their Job. Evergreen is a big FAT joke. It should be closed down. IT really is a cult. Where people are brainwashed into thinking they are getting a real education. Lights are on nobody is home.
a single night of unfortunality
hello?
A couple of years ago there was incidents at UW where faternity students made fires in roads and caused a lot of mayhem. Athletes have been charged withmany violent crimes there...but no blamed the institution of UW for the incidents. Funny thing. It's a matter of attribution theory -- what do you attribute the incident on 2/14 to? Someto the institution of Evergreen..others to a particular situation.
What I'm worried about more is a bigger picture of attribution. For example -- if McCain or any other white guy takes the next presidency and thing get even more sour...No one will ever say that is is due to them being whiite or male.
If either Hillary or Obama gets elected...well...that will not be the case.
Indeed, it seems that this is the same kind of reasoning. For those attributing the actions of a few individuals to the institution of TESC are being less than objective -- and if the same type of affair happened in an institution they respected I believe they would not have the same type of attribution. Like Kent State.
Anyway, TESC is a valuable assett to our community and a single night of unfortunality does little to understanding what TESC is about.
But it is not surprising that this situation is used by some to reinforce preexisting biases.
Not to worry geoducks -- funding and support for TESC is a part of our state's constitution...and a solid institution.
And also, hopefully people who think these kinds of actions are cool will rethink their perspective as theyt are doing a disservice to all that Evergreen is about.
"Others were grabbing at deputies' guns."
Sorry, if I were a cop and you were trying to take my gun, your life would be over..wether that means 6ft under ground or eating thru a straw for the rest of your life.
Burt and A Bob, your jobs that you won't hire the Evergreen graduates for probably pay jack. To think you would exclude candidates just because they incidentally attended a certain college is crap. Tens of thousands of people have attended that college. Many of them went on to attend other colleges. If you want to really get riled you should look at the huge sporting event riots that occur that make national news, which would make this squad car event a little picnic.
This is just a bunch of damn fool white kids thinking that they are doing something, and messing up the message of social protest.
Yall haters on the right, chill, you honkeys on the left, het to work!
AfroRev | 02.15.08 - 6:42 pm | #
i`m sure there were some black kids in there also rev, stupidity knows no color. ya know what i mean willis?
Cah we please just close the school now before someone gets killed in the name of higher education?
Greener, sorry. Your school has been the laughing stock of the country for a long time now.
Perhaps you and your rational pals might want to speak up a little bit louder.
I just want to point out, as an Evergreener, that there are a lot of us who are just there to get an education. And a damn good one I might add, especially in the sciences. I'm 28 years old and took 5 years off before I went back to school, so I'm not exactly some kid who doesn't know what they want to do and just ended up at Evergreen. I thought long and hard about where I wanted to be. My point is that you can hardly group all Greeners into one category. I have classes with so many amazing and smart students, some quite young, who are very serious about their educations. People who live in WA don't seem to realize that this "bad reputation" that Evergreen has only exists within this state. Outside of WA it is known as an excellent school.
Please don't refer to us as "those Greeners" when most of us were at home in bed last night.
In my opinion: The story has reached the conservative radio and cable talk show hosts on a local and national level. Legislators are being contacted by the media asking their opinions about the matter. Some students, who were there, have identified and turned in the rioters. Many have raised the concern that the band or its camp followers incited the crowd to riot.
I and others have contacted various state agencies and legislators demanding an investigation and requesting immediate arrests of those involved and sanctions placed on the school and activities. We are also calling for the school to be closed, and the site used for other services, as a reasonable cost cutting measure in these hard economic times.
Chad,
Funny you should mention teachers. I happen to be a high school teacher. My program is the most popular elective in the school. Many of our students are achieving college levels success. When our principle want to show off our school to visitors, his first stop is always my classroom.
At our school, there are a handful of TESC grads. I have always found these teachers to among the most professional and effective on our staff, including a couple department heads.
Too bad your friend's principle is so biased. I am very glad my children don't attend that school as the principal is a fool.
So shingle, mouthpiece, will stamper, howz the ambulace chasing business? The folks renting out the hall need to get a grip on what their bringing inside....the campus.
McCain2008. Got Integrity?
Dino2008. Yer outta there.
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President Les Purce should be forced to resign!!! This is an outrage! His POOR leadership once again humiliates our community and higher education. VP for student services, Art Costantino should also resign for his pathetic poor leadership!!! The college is a disgrace and in shambles.
But was anybody naked????
kim,
Stop blogging! You make no sense!!!!
Right! Nobody at the concert was from Evergreen. Nobody was proven to be using drugs. Where is the proof?
What do you call a person with an IQ of 40? A lawyer!
Everyone assumes that those of us speaking out on behalf of the rule of law are dismissed as conservatives.
Like that's a bad thing.
The Evergreen State College is once again an embarrassment to higher education and Thurston county. The are a joke!
"timothy mcveigh was trained by the u.s. military. would any of you suggest that because he killed over 150 people in the oklahoma city bombing, the u.s. military should be closed down and their facilities handed over to amnesty international and doctors without borders?"
for those who need it spelled out, my point was that it's flawed reasoning judgment on an institution based on the behaviors of a few individuals who are (or in the case of thursday night's incident, are not) affiliated with it.
and the tesc-bashers won't be swayed by the fact that evergreen grads do very well in admissions to graduate and professional programs, including medical and law schools. but then, to participate in that dispute is to conflate education and job training, which are not the same thing
Scott, the venue and the event are not the same. Just as hippies and anarchists are not the same. Just as rioters and the vast majority of accomplished evergreen students are not the same. Getting the picture/
I shouldn't even waste my time reading this drivel, and I'm not going to spend it reading anymore, but don't you idiots realize that CONCERTS on campus have nothing to do with the actual students??? I worked for the school when various bands came through(Dave Matthews for example) and they were just using the space for their shows, the same way you would at the Key Arena. Sure, Evergreen made some money off these events, but they catered to the COMMUNITY, not the students... Place the blame for this where it belongs - with the people who were there, not with the students who mostly live off campus anyway...
People on this blog should be ashamed to be Evergreen grads; an equivalent to a JC education. Oh. I'm sorry. I insulTed JC schools which are better than EVERGREEN!!!!
"timothy mcveigh was trained by the u.s. military. would any of you suggest that because he killed over 150 people in the oklahoma city bombing, the u.s. military should be closed down and their facilities handed over to amnesty international and doctors without borders?"
kim
Actually the US Army came and testified AGAINST mcveigh and pointed out where their training and discipline ended and his criminality began.
And know what?
The jury gave him the death penalty!
So where are the evergreen administrators?
Are they taking the same actions?
Are they cleaning up their own messes?
No they are not!
Try another avenue... this one doesn't go your way!
Where does it end? Come on Queen Christine. This place deserves some special attention. We are the laughing stock of the state because of this place.
Pull the plug and crack some heads. Twizzle twazzle twozzel twum, Time for those kids to go home.
Olympia will never have respect as long as we harbor the nuthouse!
My my, Proud Greener '84, how things have changed in just 2 yrs, eh? I convinced my son NOT to attend Evergreen if he wanted a REAL education and really wanted to be taken seriously and any subsequent job apps NOT gone into the round file.
So, if the vitriolic right wingers really want to do something, get off your big snowy white behinds and go protest TESC - at the college or perhaps the Capital steps! Oh no, wait, that would involve becoming an active participant in our society vs. just complaining on a website. While I don't condone the "riot" or abuses the police had to endure, I applaud the diversity TESC brings to this little ol' town. Go GEODUCKS ! ! !
Just like what was said during the "peacefull" demonstrations at the Port of Oly. it is time to shut down Evergreen. BS like this is going to keep happening. clearly the staff and management can not handle their events, and students, and the students are not mature enought to handle such situations. time to shut them down, or better yet, cut off their funding from the state and let them wither away on the vine. I can think of a lot of good places that money could go, we do need new ferrys and more public transportation after all.
Beverly, how about a big difference in words and actions.
This incident should generate massive change from the top down all the way to the student body!
There should be all new people running the show, new professors, new curriculum that provides opportunity for more individuals to complete higher education, not just a select few. That's what a college should be to improve society not take away from it.
Instead we have a cesspool that generates average employees who only know how to delegate, deflect and take responsibility for NOTHING.
This incident is a perfect example and opportunity to change and address this massive problem perpetuated from this institution of HIGHER education.
Real brave, Olympia. Make sure you stay "anonymous" while you spit out your verbal hatred. Why don't we focus on the real issues behind events such as this. Classism, racism, just to name a few. Back off unless you're truly willing to stand up and make a change.
Evergreen's administration needs to step up and take some responsibility for its tolerance and occasional support for violence and aggression. It needs to rethink its ways. I am not suggesting getting rid of the school. They just need to man up and push peace not violence.
Kim, Timothy McVeigh was put to death for his crimes.
Just sayin'........
I wondered why a concert was held on a school night, but understood today is a day off? What is the holiday? BITE THE HEAD OFF A GERBIL DAY!
Ya Know. If american's would simply vote to legalize pot, we wouldn't be having all these problems.
Now, Now folks. No cannons. No brooms. No torches or pitchforks.
We could paint Red Square Red, White and Blue though.....hmmmmm.
Whom am I kidding? It's one of the last bastions of socialistic amorphisation and SDS. Without them, we have no one to scold, except ourselves. Well, there's always code stink.
Those kids! What they wont think of next.
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Dino2008. Yer outta there.
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Stop said:
.....GET OVER HATING EVERGREEN WITHOUT IT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A CITY!!
Uhh, Olympia was around over 100 years before Evergreen. If it was not for Olympia being selected as the capital, Evergreen would have never been thought of or created for than matter.
The alternative thinking has gone too far. There is no excuse for destroying property or endangering others.... Absolutely NONE!
This is not acceptable for a state funded college behavior. Time they learn who is paying the bills and who won't be receiving any state funds, make those involved pay "out of state" rates or expel them from any state funded college for 10 years... time to grow-up!! No more excuses.
kim,
Your analogy is confusing! Makes no sense! Own up people on this blog; Evergreen is bad for society!
P.S. Do not mention that you are an Evergreen grad. Don't you have any shame!!!
Police should just open fire on rioters with a machine gun and mow them down. The world would be a better place.
predictably, the people who despise evergreen without actually knowing anything about it are using this as another occasion to say the same things that they always say.
timothy mcveigh was trained by the u.s. military. would any of you suggest that because he killed over 150 people in the oklahoma city bombing, the u.s. military should be closed down and their facilities handed over to amnesty international and doctors without borders?
Let the voters decide on funding, my guess is TESC will have to go private. Let those that praise it, pay for it.
"They were not all students of TESC. SPSCC students, community members and TESC students were all there. GET OVER HATING EVERGREEN WITHOUT IT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A CITY!!"
stop
Time for your meds and bedtime!
The City of Olympia is the State Cap.
And
If we didn't have wave after wave of brainless TESC "educated" state managers ruining all they touch, we wouldn't have choked out all the businesses that were here before everqueen was thrust upon us.
"...GET OVER HATING EVERGREEN WITHOUT IT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A CITY!!..."
Excuse me?? I dont think so. The majority of schmucks that go there are from the local region. They'd have to go to anyone of our other finer institutions of learning.
"As the husband of an 'about to be' TESC grad, it's very upsetting to hear the many calls to violence as well as the calls to shut down the school.
Most of the students that attend TESC are regular working people trying to obtain their degree."
dk
Food for thought...
If we the taxpayers weren't funding this trustafarian utopia, maybe we could get a school that could turn out more than the next wave of WA State WMS mangers.
Too bad we couldn't redirect some of that "sound of freedom" firepower at the Fort last night to far west Olympia!
Bomb 'em | 02.15.08 - 6:42 pm |
My thoughts exactly!!!
They were not all students of TESC. SPSCC students, community members and TESC students were all there. GET OVER HATING EVERGREEN WITHOUT IT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A CITY!!
As the husband of an 'about to be' TESC grad, it's very upsetting to hear the many calls to violence as well as the calls to shut down the school.
Most of the students that attend TESC are regular working people trying to obtain their degree.
However, there is a small undercurrent class of malcontents that continue to provide opportunities for bad press. There have been mention of other 'bad acts' at other schools, but the comparison is poor. UW has 40,000 people and WSU is not much smaller. If you want to compare TESC to other schools look at the other small liberal arts schools (Whitman, Whitworth, UPS, PLU). This is where TESC is troubled. Those schools don't have these problems.
Lastly, did anyone notice that today was one of the Fridays that the school has been advertising for campus visits? What a black eye.
As usual, this is a great school that is not taking enough action to remove the small, undesirable element. I know that many will object to that label, but almost every student knows another who doesn't apply themselves scholastically, doesn't bring anthing to the academic table, spends a lot of time 'gettin' high' and because there are no grades doesn't get removed. TESC needs to police from within and think about their future reputation.
I absolutely detest those students that are devaluing the investment we have made in my wife's education.
Too bad we couldn't redirect some of that "sound of freedom" firepower at the Fort last night to far west Olympia!
This is just a bunch of damn fool white kids thinking that they are doing something, and messing up the message of social protest.
Yall haters on the right, chill, you honkeys on the left, het to work!
Hern & Pablo:
Grow up!!! EVERY TESC student should be held financially accountable for that car and all of its contents.
Maybe a enough students will iritated enough that they are paying for someone else's criminal actions. and then keep using that system when other TESC-"sponsored" avtivites get out of hand.
Finally, they are keeping the protest on Campus where it should be and out of downtown. Students don't have that far to travel. "Welcome to Evergreen" how appropriate!
Hey greener 84... TESC is a mindset. That's why I don't like the school anymore than you don't care for Reagan conservatives. I am neither. Tell you what... A good friend of mine is a principal at a local high school. When he gets new applicants for teachers, he divvies up the resumes. TESC grads go on the left, the rest on the right. Guess where the pile on the left goes? Into the round file, my friend. The school may educate, but who said anything about a GOOD education? I can attest to that. I spent a semester there and quickly ran the other direction when I found out a few things about my professors.
Evergreen State College is the worst thing that ever happened to Olympia. If you need proof, just visit downtown sometime on a Friday night.
October 2000, 2 unkept young men came into my office, sat down, made a rucuss, and read RoLling Stone magazines. I confronted them and told them to leave my office. They objected with loud foul language. They retuned 1 hour later and stole magazines and stuff from my office. Whatever! Came in the next day and my receptionist said,"papi chulo,listen to this voice mail!" F456 you assh9999. We mastubated, urinated, and defecated in your office. and other choice words. Of course, I am using big words, not their filthy slime bag language! Cops were called. The 2 men were tracked down and fined. Guess what school they attended! That's right. EVERGREEN!!!!!
Regaring the quality of education offered at TESC:
"In late 2006, Evergreen's level of academic challenge among freshman and seniors was marked in the top ten percent of all baccalaureate colleges in the nation by the National Survey of Student Engagement, a study by Indiana University and the Pew Charitable Trusts."
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The bulldozer is for the buildings of Neverclean. The students would already have been treated with the ray gun that makes you crap your pants and then roll in it.
They would be enjoying themselves at that point, and would most likely join in to help the efforts of the catskinners.
Just to clarify...
Weak, weak, weak police.
I really do loathe that school and anything that comes out of it.
scott, we already know you are fixated on the "lady bit" that starts with V, but now I'm thinking you've got the anal thing too with your frequent use of the term "poop patrol."
The fact this happened on campus gives TESC even more of a black eye.
I am a graduate of Evergreen. Even while I attended, there was a disrespect by some for the law. Including a portion of faculty.
From the time that Mumia Abu-Jamal was a guest speaker. I stopped giving money to the school.
This is just one example of bad decisions and lack of discipline at TESC over the past several years.
Someone here mentioned earlier that the police force is pushing around students at the school. Well, if you have done nothing wrong there is nothing to worry about.
I found the campus police to be nice and respectable during my time there.
What will the school do about this latest problem? Time will tell. My guess is that a handful of faculty and students will cry foul. They will say that an investigation needs to be carried out, and evaluation be done to establish new ground rules for the campus police.
All this without regard for those accountable for confronting the police last night and destroying property.
I will say this, there a those on the capital campus waiting for something like this to happen.
Can you say "fund cuts" anyone.
And to other greeners out there, How in the world can you defend the actions of these losers?
You know very well what the environment is like at TESC.
..... conservatives too.
Sad to see this today. A black eye for my alma mater.
It's clear to me from them hundreds of anti-TESC posts that you people have absolutely NO idea what you are talking about in regards to the outstanding academic environment offered by Evergreen.
This action, though highly regrettable, does NOT represent the vast majority of dedicated and hard working TESC students. Neither did the Port.
Evergreen has always been a favorite scapegoat for narrow-minded local conservates, ever since the great Republican Governor Dan Evans got "that durn hippy school" going back in 1967.
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Looks like the POOP terrorists are making themselves proud....
"The event was paid for by students, not by tax payers."
C
Not entirely true.
It's subsidized by the taxpayers... we pay for the campus, the hall etc.
And the students are forced to pay into this fund...unless they dont want to attend this school.
I thought hippies were supposed to be peaceful
"A firestorm to purify."
Please excuse me for being three decades too late, but if you don't mind I'd really like complain about that awfully noisy KISS concert at Saint Martin's College.
Too bad it wasn't a bigger crowd with more energy, they could have destroyed all of TESC.
"Shame on TESC for allowing an anarchist group to hold a concert on campus!:
Hey dude, KISS played at St. Martin's in the 70s and no one complained then.
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AJ,
The event was paid for by students, not by tax payers. The law says a diverse spectrum of opinions should be fostered. The college met its obligations.
Students violated the law with their actions. These two issues are separate. You and others should not confuse them.
SHUT DOWN TESC NOW! It does nothing but breed hate filled people!
What's wrong with you tolerant and diverse people!!
where the hell was security? 1 lady deputy goes into a concert of hundreds and tries to take a guy out? TCSO should have never been on the evergreen campus.
Mr. and Mrs. Cool both graduated from TESC in 2000. I love the school and found the experience valuable (literally!).
Never tossed over any cop cares myself, though I did attend a Coup concert there once.
I for one would like to see some of these posters' college credentials. Seems to me there's a lack of critical thinking going on with some of these entries. I'm thinking specifically of the 'bulldozer' comment a few posts down.
Posting that you would like to see your fellow Olympians bulldozed is far more threatening and disturbing then a patrol car put upside down.
You're not at war my friend. You're on the Olympian website. Let's not get carried away by suggesting outright murder.
Take it from Mr. Cool: Keep your hands to yourself unless you're offering them to help out.
Most of the patrol cars I've seen are right-side up.
Love, Mr. Cool.
Shame on TESC for allowing an anarchist group to hold a concert on campus! This is a PUBLICLY FUNDED school, and after seeing this barbaric behavior by riotous students there, I am sick of it!
As a county taxpayer, I am disgusted to see such extreme disrespect and felonious damage to a patrol car. Students who are blaming the police for escalating the "violence" are out of line. They surrounded a police officer's car, imprisoning the officer, and of course backup was called.
The state should step in and sanction TESC. Starting with banning any and all concerts on-campus. This is just disgusting, uncivilized behavior.
really impressive discourse, people
get a grip
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i think i will go to tesc this weekend and drop a STINK PICKLE on the main campus. you won`t be able to tell the difference between that and
a student or alumni for that matter...
then i`m gonna go stomp on a greener,then i gotta dig them outta my vietnam jungle boots with a stick `cause they stick in the waffles
And what about football game riots? Are they exempt from condemnation?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/
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http://query.nytimes.com/gst/
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Should we shut down any school where a small percentage of the student population do stupid things or when they simply offend our sensibilities (or our politics)?
Food for thought.
Wish I was there. Congrats on the car and specifically who ever got the radar gun and laptop. Sweet!
It's a little strange though that this type of action will occur at a show and not at the port protests.
People should destroy cop cars everyday.
In response to the person who claimed this kind of thing only happens at colleges like Evergreen:
Remember the Sept 2003 "Greek" Fraternity riot at UW? A few hundred idiots out of many thousands of students caused a problem. Should we have shut down the UW?
http://thedaily.washington.edu/2...essed-in-forum/
Proud Evergreen Grad 1974
Rae, citing Wilkins was not an endorsement, but an attempt to demonstrate by example that a relatively sympathetic observer (in this case, me) can read and appreciate his views, and nevertheless conclude that there is a big opportunity here for Evergreeners to step up and take responsibility. But that's all a bit of a red-herring, and I see little use in pursuing that line of thought any further.
What I really want to get across is that right or wrong, in the real world, when people read "evergreen riot", it looks real bad. When some Evergreeners respond by saying "it's not us, we didn't do it", or even worse, "it's the system, man", then that looks really, really bad, because it feeds evidence to those who say Evergreen teaches dangerous ideas.
It might not be right or fair, but if the students (not TESC the institution) would acknowledge that what has just happened on the Evergreen campus is highly regrettable, apologize sincerely and pay for the damage, those actions would demonstrate the kind of genuine understanding and commitment that would go a long way toward repairing a growing public perception that some Evergreeners are violent and dangerous, and that this reflects something in the character of the school.
I propose we make this day a State Hoilday.
I decree that the 15th of February shall be:
Wa. State Right Wing Panties in a Wad Day!
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Bandmember, based on your remarks about the "Caterpillar treatment," you seem to have a taste for violence and offensive behavior yourself. Exactly on what grounds are you condemning the rioters?
These 200 plus seem to be showing the same symptons as those infected with the diease PMR. Recent studies have shown that diease PMR and now what seems to be same infecting these 200, is caused by a defective gene causing a void in the cranium, allowing others to fill this cavity with crap.
Going strong Too!
Great MPA program, Tumwater!
TESC will be growing strong when ALL of you posters are pushin' up daisies!
Oh Yeah!
Cue: The Geoduck Fight Song!
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Lets get it straight people, “We don't live in Never, Never Land!!” The officer was doing her job. A job that protects everyone, not just the rich, the good looking, the white, black, Latino, gay, lesbian, but everyone!! There are bad people out there who do bad things. This officer doesn't know if this kid who was fighting has a gun?? a knife? She was doing her job. Somebody at the concert obviously thought something needed to be done.
I'm tired of the same people who claim to preach peace and harmony continually trampling on the rights and opinions of the opposing side. I'm tired of hearing about supposed "Police Brutality" "Illegal war", and the "capitalistic pigs".
It appears that all the people know is to, don't listen, be loud, obnoxious and spit on the opinions of others that don't share their same thoughts and values.
Believe it or not I have no issue with Evergreen. I've had two of my brothers attend Evergreen and many friends. I take issue with the ones that continually show no care for the thoughts, opinions, and feelings of others in our community.
Would that be MPA as in major pain in the ass?
Louis, it's the overall environment with the perceived notion (by quarlsome youth especially) that anarchy is acceptable. The left wing elite and limosine liberals wink and cheer from the sidelines....just like with the PMR and a host of other center left groups that operate easily within this fine institution of higher (please underline higher) learning. There be communists there, citizen. Or haven't you heard? All properly zeitgeisted for your pleasure..... imbicils.
McCain2008. Got Integrity?
Dino2008. Yer outta there.
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All of this negative energy flowing into this blog is really not good for the earth. Evergreen students are gentle souls, do not blame us for the actions of a few. You people are angry, try being nice. A bulldozer, how rude.
Hmmmm. Thugs riot at the Port of Olympia. Thugs riot on campus. No connection with TESC? I don't think so!
We need to take a Caterpillar bulldozer and give Neverclean the Corrie treatment.
Since 1999, the police presence at
Evergreen has grown considerably. I can think of no other school this size that has such a large police force. After the fallout from Evergreen participation in the WTO protests, there were a number of undercover police placed in campus housing. It did not take long for them to figure out what a gold mine it was for making petty drug busts. In a community that has always been very open, it is much like cherry-picking. On paper they must look like super cops for all their frequent busts. The police at Evergreen now include ex military police and swat team members. Over the last ten years they have grown increasingly more aggressive. They have turned the campus community against them and show very little regard for the students who live there. After a number of controversial actions by the campus police many students gathered and petitioned against the most agressive police including officers like Tony Perez. (Hundreds if not thousands of signatures were gathered from angry students) Very little was done. Instead the police made efforts to insinuate themselves into the community, regularly loitering in the campus community center and have tried to enlist the resident assistants as their informants and assistants. The result has been an increasing divide between students and police. Every year they take away more freedoms from the students. They are arrogant and care nothing about the college or the students themselves. It is unfortunate because the ill will has been generated basically by a few officers (Like Neely and Perez) and has all but ruined the excellent relationships with students built by officers like Eddy and Stretch. I do not wish to condone what happened last night but simply to point out this fact: badge or no, you can only abuse your power and play the school bully for so long before it comes back to haunt you.
Don't close TESC! I just applied to their MPA program!
Reading all of this makes me feel sick. People are responsible for their actions period. The police officer acted to ensure her safety and made sound judgments. Do not criticize actions when you don't know all of the facts. Thank goodness she was safe.
They should've called McLane Fire out to blast 'em with their deck gun. Hell, they could even hand out bars of soap while they do it. Skells.
forget that, I endorsed him. Sorry. Bad evergreeners.
Excellent bantering!!! The back and forth all day has been very entertaining. After reading through this thread, it appears as though the Righties are ahead in expressing their free speech rights, whereas the Lefties have made solid points, they just cant seem to get much traction. May have to wait until later tonite like last Friday to get some real lively action going on this thread!!!
This is outrageous behavior indeed. You can expect more of this if John McCain is elected, thats for sure. We need a return to moral values, hard work and ethics. Capitalism and competition are keys to our success as a nation. Ronald Regan knew this and so do us Mormons.
MR
www.mittromney.com
Class only four days a week! What the hell are we paying for?
CLOSE TESC Down NOW! Another case of the State (PRW) of Washington robbing the tax payers!
501 @ 4:20
Yeah !!!! 500 comments!!!!! A new world record.
"Cop shot, cop shot, cop shot,
keep shooting my people,
We will shoot back
Me bring in the M-1
You bust the glock..." -Dead Prez
Sounds like white people music to me?
These boys are sell outs and got yall up in arms arguing about some cop car. Come on.
I can't believe the police backed off. They should have made the arrest. And when the idots came to stop the police they should have called for back up and took all those people to jail.
On Olyblog, I learned:
"it was Thursday night; since there's no regular classes on Fridays, that's the night people get tanked up. I'm rather inclined to think that alcohol played a significantly larger role in this incident getting out of hand than anything the officer in question may or may not have done."
Let me get this straight.
Taxpayers are supporting this joint (bad choice of words, I guess) and they only "work" FOUR DAYS A WEEK?
The remaining 3 days, hey're "tanked up".
Shut 'er down.
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GREENERS GO HOME! tear up your own hometowns, we do`nt want your dumb asses here....... now get back to bongmaking 101.....
i`ll say it again, how do you hide money from a greener?
PUT IT UNDER A BAR OF SOAP!!!
and greener girls, shave for gods sake
you all look nasty.
just my opinion.
Hey hern,
You would be screaming if the cost of that Sheriff's car came out of your student fees. And hern I can't wait for the the day the REAL WORLD catches up to you and the look on your face when you learn what they told you was all a lie!
Grow up!
Still no offical comments or statements from TESC Administration ot the State of Washington. Must be no one is there on Friday's. Their silence speaks volumes to me.
There seem to be two extremes here, one group of "liberals" that seem to be advancing or justifying the attack on the cops and a group of "right wingers" that seem to be just out to bash "greeners" and lump everyone who attends there as a social degenerate.
There is nothing wrong with expressing social protest, as long as it does not move into violence and crossing the line of something like attacking the cops, who are just working people for the most part, just trying to do their jobs. For those of you that are defending the actions of these few maniacs, think and ask yourself is this what you are really about? Was this such a gross injustice? Could you be using your talents to actually lift others up? For the right, come on, college is a time to express your ideas, struggle with issues and we all have rebelled at some point right? This is not about Evergreen as much as it is about some jerks that crossed the line, isn't it?
okay Ashamed, I read and appreciated Bruce's post. One of the few. I don't see how yours is similar.
Sounds like a good example of ebonics to me.....I especially like the war part. Just need to be more cognizant on who exactly one is waring upon....citizen.
McCain2008. Got Integrity?
Dino2008. Yer outta there.
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"It's time you gonna smoke some weed, there's times you wanna get some pussy and there's a time to go to war," says stic. "A man gotta be balanced. You can't just be about the pleasures."
Perhaps we could all learn from stic - one of the "Dead prez" members
This goes to show how brain washed Evergreen students are.
They listen to politically motivated teachers all day and in their music at night and this is the result. No respect for authority.
This is what happens at the end of the day when you let liberals set the agenda.
hern,
you my caucasian
Not one of the little Bastards will be punished.
Oh good grief. I know destroying a police car is wrong. There is no it seems like to it. Hello is anybody home.
This is actually funny. It's even more funny that you people are getting so bent out of shape and outraged.
However, I do not see the destruction of the police care as the horrendous act that most of the people on this forum do. It is an instrument used in an unjust system, whatever way you want to look at it.
Texan,
It seems like, it seems like, it seems like. Tell me how do you know this as fact? I am waiting.......
agreed
It seems like anything goes at Evergreen. It seems like they are all proud of the fact that they destroyed a police car. They have been brainwashed in a cult. They really think they are getting an education. It is like they go to their yoga class and they feel they can now preform brain surgery. AS if an art class makes them a doctor.
I guess a knitting class will teach them to be a nurse. They can hold class outside and discuss why they love themselves. In the real world you will end up in jail for destroying property. Oh I guess they didn't go over that in your property destroying class 101.
Hern,
Yea, these kids stood up to the "fascist pigs" right, you really believe that? Did this help anyone or change anything at all? They stood up to the cops for arresting someone who was fighting, this is evergreens idea of social justice or fighting the man? Bro, wake up, stop reading Marx and get up, get out and do something that is going to change the power structure in this nation. It ain't happening at evergreen where you guys all just talk to each other and then go on to your middle class jobs, filled with white guilt. grow up.
Peace.
To anyone that thinks (especially students) that they own the campus they attend, you are in for a big shock. You don't. The state of Washington owns it. When these types of instances occur, it merely reflects on the overall environment and atmosphere that is prevalent at TESC. The Olympian ran an article that stated enrollment at TESC for the new freshman class is at an all time high. Perhaps that has to do with increasing population density around Puget Sound and the fact a college degree is becoming more of an industry standard, sort of like what a High School Diploma was seventy odd years ago. Youthful hooliganism and resistance to authority is nothing new and what occurred last night at the concert is no surprise. Since when do concerts last until one thirty a.m.?
The so called faculty, administration, and alumni are responsible for this in that they set a great example on what it means to be responsible citizens. It seems to me, that TESC doesn't really do much to promote being a responsible citizen unless you are burning a US Flag in Palestine, starting up an eco terrorist cell, listening to quality performances by "artists" who malign authority and make a living pandering to "green and wet behind the ears" youth. Rock and Roll always was a young man’s game, right?
I am also distressed to see that the police were being taunted by a substance abused, confused, and probably brain bruised crowd of turds. I am distressed because the local police chiefs have chosen not to implement my suggestion, and coincidentally, cost saving solution to civil disobedience and unruly crowd control. For less than an initial purchase price (650,000) and an annual budget of around 450,000 dollars for manning and maintenance, the Olympia PD or the county could utilize the best method known to disperse a crowd of idjits with non lethal methods and (oh boy, good for the environment) no chemical aerosols.
Here it is..... http://www.nadir.org/nadir/initi.../
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This is the answer to your prayers chief. Maybe the next Republican candidate for office might consider a platform that included more community involvement and free showers for the unruly, unwashed masses attending class at TESC.
McCain2008. Got Integrity?
Dino2008. Yer outta there.
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The police are there to ensure that the system that creates such racial, or socio-economic problems you are making reference to remains in place.
Power to the people for standing up to fascist pigs.
hern | 02.15.08 - 3:02 pm | #
I think your Koolaide is being taken right into the vien!!!!!
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TESC will take responsability!
As TESC hosted this concert using electricity etc that the taxpayers pay for etc. I think they do bear some responsibility. They allowed the concert to happen. To those who have tried to compare this to the war in Iraq I have to say............."WHAT!!!!" that is lame to try to justify destroying a police car. The authorities should diligently pursue all those responsible for the damages, not to mention the police manpower that had to be called out there to restore order. I think all events like this should be canceled out there for the indefinite future. Id these people can't act responsible then they shouldn't have the perks at our expense. It's ironic that they did this to protect someone who was wanted by the law. What does this say about how out of touch with reality those people are? Last I checked if the police arrested someone who was wanted then it's a good thing.
I'm disgusted to see the picture of the wrecked police cruiser all over the regional news outlets. It definitely gives a good impression of TESC!!! NOT !!!!!
I really like TESC students and I do think of them as intelligent. It looks as if they can never take responsibility for themselves! Then again they really do live in a shell while gazing at the outside world.
I long for the days when a cop could crack open a pinko's skull.
I won't judge Evergreen or its students on this one, but my personal opinion on this is that what happens in that college or around events from that college will give an impression of what the student body is like. I respect opinions of any political party, but what they did to that patrol car was absolutely uncalled for and immature. I don't care if they are students or not, it was at TESC and so are their annual riots and protests, which implies student activity. That place needs to be shut down.
A few Greeners love to protest and then run to the Goverment for money!
Rae, I'm sorry if my take on this has offended you, but I want to assure you I'm looking about as far past my nose as my eyes can stretch. To show you what I mean, I thought Bruce Wilkinson's comment offered some pretty interesting insights as to why things like this happen, but you'll have to scroll down a bit to find it.
Maybe my tone was bit harsh, and I really do understand that this story might read very differently with different coverage. My point is not to cast judgement on Evergreen, but rather, to try to show how this APPEARS from the "other side" and offer a practical suggestion for mending fences.
Well not the whole state but that little piece of Stalingrad west of Olympia.
Good point Bruno! Lets not forget that TESC is so responsable!
What do you mean "Become"?
You said it hern, although I'm SURE by "pigs," you mean the protesters and trouble makers that brought the cops.
The cops should have done MORE.
Greener = PIG. O ya! not a real smart greener there, just 135er's opinion.
Is there any doubt that Washington has become a liberal toilet?
And maybe the poster known as "hern" will also leave.
In my opinion: "But theirs is a religion of peace!"
I talked with some fellow 'greeners and they said some people in the crowd had been worked up about the arrest and trial of a woman evergreener terrorist for her part in the 2001 arson. That, plus you had a large crowd that tends to hang out downtown at the clubs known for a history of violence and shootings.
This just shows that area is unable to control itself or its guests and large scale events should be banned unless they have proper security. Treat them just like former clubs have lost their liquer license or been shut down due to continued violence.
If patrons of a bar cause problems... it's the bar license to operate that comes into question... so what's the difference???
This is easy! Fire all the employees at TESC..............Start all over and hire a new staff and Oh add grades and going to class...........stuff like a real college. The freaks and trouble makers will be gone just as fast and we can start getting our tax dollars worth.
Tolerance and peace do not apply to pigs who use violence when confronted with a situation they are not comfortable with.
Yeah, and we love how Greeners choose to "communicate." NOT!!!!
I see nothing wrong with what happened at Evergreen last night. In my eyes, the police are only in place to protect those few elitist who control the economy. They carry lethal weapons that are used against U.S civilians. An average of 1,600 innocent people are killed by police every year, if you do not believe it, look it up. Our capitalist system is based on the suffering of not only countless Americans, but, people throughout the world. In my experience police are more interested in busting stoner's, and harassing homeless people, than defending peoples rights. Power to the people for standing up to fascist pigs.
I remember the greener’s crying on campus and in the community when the entire OLY Port thing went down in NOV. It seems most Greener’s only accept their point of view but talk considerably on tolerance, change and peace. Now the next greener should proceed with the commits about excelling use of Reflexive Pronoun use. TESC students and graduates will quickly find easy grammar faults to avoid the true point of the conversation.
I correct grammar because I know it really, really gets under people's skin
Peace doesn't bait, "peace".
The left are always the most sociopathic passive/aggressors.
I am a student at The Evergreen State College and frankly I am offended by some of the comments on this message board. I am a non-traditional student trying to work towards a degree that will better the futures of myself and my children. I would like to point out that while a majority of the crowd may have been Evergreen students, it is not correct to categorize everyone that attends the college as an Anarchist or a Terrorist. Some of us are truly here for the education and do not get involved in the messes.
As for the poeple who were involved in this, I feel ashamed of you for acting so inappropriately. These men and women who are in law enforcement may be the same men and women that someday save your life and they are not getting paid anywhere near enough to deal with the crap you are handing out. Quit spraypainting the buildings and signs around town. Hello, it is your tax dollars that are paying for the clean up. Quit protesting everything just to be the next person on the bandwagon. Isn't Evergreen about being unique and thinking outside the box? How is it unique to jump on the bandwagon for fifteen minutes of fame? And when you put up signs saying to fight against the police, remember that it is not the police officers that make the laws. Follow the law and you will not have a problem. Have a problem with the law and take it up with your legislature. Quit barking up the wrong tree. I am embarrassed to be an Evergreen student when incidents like this occur and I am tired of having to defend my school. Please, we are adults. Let's act like adults.
Oh, you could also you use logical intelligent thought. Possibly not making generalized assumptions. I don't know, just an idea.........
Great, now there's going to be another one of those damn chargers bought to replace the damaged sheriff's car! I hate those new sheriff's cars. You can't tell their cops and the light bar looks like a bike rack. I've been busted speeding twice now because I couldn't tell it was that new car behind me.
Thanks greeners. I'll send you the bill for my next speeding ticket and I hope karma comes back to bite you.
Ashamed, YES you can blame people for not looking farther then that. That is why there are soooooo many ignorant people here, and everywhere. THEY DON'T LOOK PAST THEIR NOSE. Open your eyes a little wider, it might help.
SUNNY!
You say the crowd didn't get out of control until the WSP and OPD came in and caused it....That's absolutely not true!! I was hit with spit, bottles, and rocks way before they came into the "peaceful" crowd. When the cruiser was destroyed, the problem had already been resolved. The Evergreen patrol car had been removed and the TCSO car was a long way away from the original riot. To say it was caused by the police is ridiculous!! You guys were out of control from the beginning and escalated yourselves.
Yoda:
Longest thread ever? Yep.
Stupidest? Nope.
Nothing will ever be dumber than the good 'Ol TJ Johnson threads. I miss that Moron. I wonder where he was last night????????
Greeners, I love you all, but this is indefensible. Observers outside the Evergreen community don't care who sponsored the event or who hit first, or whether the people involved were students. What most people see here is a trashed cop car against a background of anarchist graffiti. Can you really blame them if they don't take the time to look any closer than that? With this incident, Evergreen has lost a lot respect, and those of you trying to say it's not your fault and this kind of thing happens elsewhere, etc., etc. are only digging yourselves in deeper.
Its time to stop arguing about what's right, wrong or fair. If you mean what you say about the importance of community service and peace, then show it with action: stand up, take responsibility for what happens on your campus, apologize profusely, and voluntarily organize to collect the funds necessary to repay the damage that's been done. Anything less is hypocrisy.
Ashamed and Disgusted
Wow. Longest & stupidest thread ever!
Hey tyler. was that 8 page paper single spaced or double? use pictures too?
This post won't make any differance because people will think what they want, but 200 people were not rioting. 20 or so were, and the rest were just watching. As everyone left the show, this was going on right out front, so it was hard to miss. Most people in the crowd knew that it was a bad situation, and that the people causing the trouble were wrong.
I have had an entertaining afternoon watching the "opinions" go back and forth with regard to what happened on the campus of TESC last night. I will say this....it is dangerous to generalize regarding the actions of a few people and generalizing that this is the way that ALL people associated with TESC behave even though we seem to hear more and more about these types of activities. It is similarly dangerous to accept comments indicating that the entire Olympia Police Dept as corrupt and racist. Actually, I believe this to be outrageous and irresponsible (on both counts).
I also wanted to recognize another comment saw with regard to making comparisons. It is true that I am not aware of a similar level of negative behavior demonstrated by people associated with Saint Martin's University. However, I do not believe this is because there is a lack of passion or conviction coming from those with ties to St. Martins. Interesting the comparison with regard to two institutions of "higher learning" located in the same general vicinity.
We really like the students at Evergreen State College. They balance out the community and provide interesting perspectives...
This type of thing happens and it's important to note that concerts at the college are attended by outsiders as well as the students. Assuming the greeners are to blame is not fair. It's like saying muslems are to blame for terrorism. Come on, we're all smarter than that!
Anyway - peace to everyone and if you have stuff in your garage you need to get rid of, please don't throw in the land fill. Instead sell it on www.UsedOlympia.com. Buy, sell, free classifieds!
Cheers everyone!
there are plenty of excellent police women out there, whether or not she is one of them, i don't know, but how about leaving out the disparaging sexist remarks?
does anyone else see the irony in that this was a show on valentine's day, the day of love?
Shoot my "innocent" self was watching most of the maylay with a law enforcement officer standing next to me, doing nothing for a good 20min. At one point the officer was leaving with the suspect but instead of hitting reverse she drove around the round about in front of the campus rec center and into a wall of exiting concert goers. She did a poor job at best and I never felt that there was a sense that she had the situation under control. I mean, she cuffed the guy right in front of me in the thick of a crowd with no back-up. I am six foot four and over 250 lbs,she was a small 5'5 or so, had I been a bad guy it would have been lights out no doubt, and I would have been glock armed.A poor job at making things safer at the best. Stick a fork in me I'm done
E-dog | 02.15.08 - 12:20 pm | #
This is why women do not belong in law enforcement. They cannot properly handle these types of situations. They need to stay in the office doing office work. Not be out in the field trying to act like they have situations under control.
Good Lord, this is not about Evergreen, it is about something that happened at Evergreen. There never has, and never will be a program, module, or independent study contract in Cop baiting, patrol car destruction, and urban tagging. If one was to count up the number of similar incidents of idiots at shows throughout the county, bars create ten times the problem TESC does.
ashamed,
yes yes yes!
When will we wake up and see this school a terrorist training camp? From the student that was caught torching the UW complex(probably took a class on how to make an incidiary device and got an A) to Mayday and this type of behavior. We need to pull the troops out of Iraq and raid Evergreen and other similar threats to our way of life. We have enough problems in the US we dont need to be funding schools for the purpose of training eco-terrorists and flat out criminals.
ASHAMED,
What you say is true and very wise!
Greeners, I love you all, but this is indefensible. Observers outside the Evergreen community don't care who sponsored the event or who hit first, or whether the people involved were students. What most people see here is a trashed cop car against a background of anarchist graffiti. Can you really blame them if they don't take the time to look any closer than that? With this incident, Evergreen has lost a lot respect, and those of you trying to say it's not your fault and this kind of thing happens elsewhere, etc., etc. are only digging yourselves in deeper.
Its time to stop arguing about what's right, wrong or fair. If you mean what you say about the importance of community service and peace, then show it with action: stand up, take responsibility for what happens on your campus, apologize profusely, and voluntarily organize to collect the funds necessary to repay the damage that's been done. Anything less is hypocrisy.
EVEERGREEN IS GREAT!!!
Well, this Greener has to go to work... It was a pleasure BDog and neighbor. As for Texan and Uhm, well, it appears that you both attended the same learning institution so I doubt there's much hope for you... As for the rest of you, get educated about the issue and don't turn this into simply an excuse to attack a school you disagree with. This comment thread should be about the specific incident, not ranting and raving about your ideas of the students of TESC.
Peace out y'all
Peace, It shouldn't take a college education to learn that destructive behaviour is not the answer to any situation. Whether it be Iraq or an incident at TESC, is there really any difference?
Touche Anonymous! Actually I correct grammar because I know it really, really gets under people's skin... much like many of the arguments presented by the majority of the posters today do to me.
I know what Evergreen is about. Rich kids, super saturdays that suck, a poor administration and lower standards then the other colleges in the NW!
smalltown,
how do you think i found out about this incident? like i said, it could have been much worse. if this had happened in seattle the little brats would have been shot or at the very least had a tazor gun used on them. or if they had actually managed to take weapons from the cops there would have been a few dead cops. either way people would have been hurt.
kdot,
yes, i can blame the parents. i went to evergreen and managed to not be influenced by propaganda and cop killer teachings. i was raised to be respectful of people. too many parents let kids behave however they feel like and do not teach them how to behave. when they fly the nest and go out into the world the only way they know how to interact with people is however their parents raised them. if their parents let them be influenced by their peers instead of their elders you end up with brats who know no consequence.
Uhm
If to retard something is to set it back, like my thinking (what?), then don't you think that one could make the argument that by inventing a word as useless as "cloectivley"you are retarding the English language?
And neighbor you're welcome, that kudos comes from a high school dropout.
LOL On ebay boards there is a little saying at the bottom of the page: "Correcting spelling and punctuation is the last gasp of a dying argument."
The answer is not to shut down Evergreen but to get rid of Mosqueda and Boehmer. They are the ones behind this ultimately.
Hey there Anonymous....my kids attended excellent Universities, where, as you say, "people actually get to TALK about real issues and debate them, and learn things that will actually help them in the future. It is a place that doesn't simply teach people how to take a test, it teaches people how to communicate." They are active, employed, hard-working members of their communities. And all that without violence or destruction of property.
In this stage of TESC history, locals can get very excited about the prospect of real change in their hometown. You think about how happy you will be to see all your friends agree, eat your favorite foods, and speak of the grand student’s of TESC. This may occur before leaving the area or just upon arrival home after retirement. It may be quite brief, especially for those who were very well adjusted to TESC culture. It is longer for those who were less attached to this culture. Students who were happy while at TESC may not experience return shock beyond this college.
Good post, Paul!
It sound like there are more here to comment than actual concert goers. A thug band plays at the request of compus thugs and surprize a riot insues. Cops come and they find themselve in the middle of the festivities in fact they become the festivities. Heads are banded the cops get excited and call for more cops. The music/rioters vent some of their youthful frustration and in the end everyone has something to write home about in the coming weeks. There is nothing new under the sun, not in Olympia and not in Champlain. We just have a lot to learn about ourselves as humans. God Bless.
The Evergreen haters completely disgust me. Do any of you actually know what Evergreen is all about?? Get a clue before you open your mouth. Evergreen is an incredible institution that has given a lot of people, including myself, the change to receive an education that actually applies to real life. Imagine, a place where people actually get to TALK about real issues and debate them, and learn things that will actually help them in the future. It is a place that doesn't simply teach people how to take a test, it teaches people how to communicate. Maybe some of you could learn a thing or two from Evergreen.
The Evergreen haters completely disgust me. Do any of you actually know what Evergreen is all about?? Get a clue before you open your mouth. Evergreen is an incredible institution that has given a lot of people, including myself, to receive an education that actually applies to real life. Imagine, a place where people actually get to TALK about real issues and debate them, and learn things that will actually help them in the future. It is a place that doesn't simply teach people how to take a test, it teaches people how to communicate. Maybe some of you could learn a thing or two from Evergreen.
Anon..your right. I have to pick up my kids now. How funny?
I'm a Republican/Libertarian TESC student, and I can relate to some people's disliking of the "Death to Capitalism" mentality that exists in the fringes of the student body here.
However, before this conversation goes any further, Can we please stop asking that TESC be closed down while simultaneously turning a back to violence that has also occurred at good 'ole, All-American Football, beer-drinkin', frat-party WASU and UDub. 'Cuz it's kind of ridiculous. Sorry, people, but violence isn't soly contained to wherever your pent-up political biases lay. Besides, I don't think the 500-people-to-a-lecture-hall method at other "honorable" four year institutions isn't exactly the best educational plan either.
People, if some of our citizens are behaving like this toward our police officers, the general public should be very afraid. If this matter is not dealt with harshly, I hope there will be a riot of another kind.
The new name should be Loser U. What a blight on society. The state should remove that schools administration and replace it with responsible, educated adults, instead of the dope-smoking ninnies who are running it right now.
Re posted:
TESC is having a little bit of a conflict over what the next event should include. Perhaps they ought to open suggestions from the middle school Undergraduates that attend there. The so called greener politics or posers are not From the primitive era of Elvis's hip thrust, Marvin Guy’s lets get it on, and Chuck Berry's riding along in my automobile, nor the formerly eon of psychedelic peace and love Woodstock. It appears as if Loathing and Unintelligent in Evergreen could be a great movie event. It was not the music, it was the type of students that has differentiated from deeper; often more intense genres that transmit the equivalent messages of rebellion, anti-establishment attitude, and individuation through nonconformity. Students at Evergreen created the sense of community that is called hookswitch. I wonder if the most popular votes will be arranged for more mania at the expense of taxpayers.
Meanwhile the Port of Olympia commissioners are considering building a facility for children on PCB contaminated land. Let's get some perspective, eh?
Peace: Thanks for the KUDOS....all that without the benefit of a college education.
Out of Town Greener:
By "much worse" did you mean something like this little blurb I just read on King 5 News website????
Roughly 200 people were involved in the melee on the campus following a rap concert in the school gym. Sheriff's deputies made no arrests in the riot, but they want to hold someone accountable.
Authorities claim this was far more serious than first reported, that concert goers tried to grab guns from deputy holsters, pelted them with rocks and caused a fair amount of destruction at the campus.
peace,
cloectivley your correct, however to retard something is to set it back or impede it.
Your statement says you have performed this action with your thinking, now set it forward and rethink it.
Like ignition timing in a car.
that'll make a good start.......
I DO live in a nice place, and have been extremely fortunate to for my entire life. I'd like to keep it that way.
Can we really blame the parents of adult students?
This behavior is completely unacceptable and these looters/rioters that did this need to be dealt with harshly.
Bdog,
Thank you for proving my point. PS. I am off work now.
However, neighbor, your spelling and grammar are exceptional. Kudos.
1. Uhm (a name, by the way, that conjures up an idea of limitless intelligence), you might want to rethink your use of the word "retarded" as it may offend some people.
2. Neighbor. Well, what can I say? Obviously you live in a nice little world where the problems of society can be blamed on a small campus in the Northwest, not on the systemic violence and cutthroat attitudes of the people in society as a whole. So I suppose your argument is this, and correct me if I'm wrong- Evergreen should get no funding because a small group of people attending a concert on TESC campus, who may or may not have been TESC students, reacted to a blatantly racist arrest by a notoriously racist police department by defacing a piece of metal, rubber and plastic owned by the taxpayers of Thurston County. Would that be accurate?
glad you ARE out of town, 'out of town greener' - -lets get em' all out.
One more thing. I can't believe you crazy poeple are actually raising our youth.
Why are there so many whiny crybabies in Oly? I'm a right winger and evergreen grad just to let you all know right off the bat. While the incident at evergreen is unfortunate it really could have been much worse. What I'm so disturbed by is all the name calling by you olympians. This has nothing to do with being right wing, left wing or a greener. This is happening everywhere across this fine country. Blame, blame, blame! Everyone on here wants to blame someone! Yes, the school should be held accountable for bringing violence to the campus but honestly, I blame the parents. We need to be asking ourselves why these kids feel the need to riot and act like spoiled brats. It's because they were raised that way. If parents did a better job at raising their spoiled trustfund kids then they wouldn't be so darn impressionable. Thank the Lord that TCSO handled this situation so well or we would be reading about dead students not bratty ones. Then we would have something else to complain about besides how much Oly hates TESC. I challenge my fellow conservatives to visit TESC. I was not alone in my right wing adventures on that campus. If you think it's all hippies and protesters, once again Oly you have shown how naive you truly are.
Teach your children well!
Rae,
You said it all, you are soooo smart, better than working people, you have all the answers for us people, so we might as well shut up and let evergreeners who are so much more educated plan out society and tell us what we think! Your a punk. Get a real job, I do have to get back to work.
"Peace" I found no substance in anything you posted today. If I had the opportunity to vote, as we do with public school levies, I would say NO to public funds being sent to TESC. I've lived around the disrespect of enough of the students long enough. Pretty sure my spelling gets an "A", tough tooties if the grammar fails your scrutiny.
400+ comments. This is halarious (and sad). You people need to go back to work. This sort of situation happens everywere, but OH NO, it happened at Evergreen. I just knew when I heard this story on the news this morning the crazies on this blog would have a hayday. The truth is none of you have any idea what Evergreen is like. I graduated from Evergreen in 2005. The students there were intelligent and thoughtful, young and old. They expressed both conservative and liberal views. I studied, law, the constitution, ethics in justice, economics, business administration in education, economics, and much more. The depth of our discussions on important issues would flabbergast you crazy bloggers. As I said, go back to work, quit wasting your day with the pathetic mindless dribble you spew out on the OLYMPIAN.
I wasn't denying that it was Evergreen students. It could have been. It is just frustrating to me that after all the stereotypes that we already have to deal with people would add to them. I wish people would take some pride in the great education that we receive there rather than use their energy to make us look worse.
B DogG we have rules so we can talk intelligently and figure it all out, not to mention not devolving to the biggest, most violent having their way. As much as I admire Dada (an absurdest art movement. Wiki it folks)it isn't useful in having intelligent conversation. As for what I think, refer to my earlier posts.
To Jim G and zach Thanks for presenting law and order positions with cogent writing.
Neighbor, you sound like a damn professor I had last 1/4. If so, you suck.Just kidding though. That is some professory shit.I believe the anarchy kids would just say that property is theft ha ha ha
B DogG we have rules so we can talk intelligently and figure it all out, not to mention devolving to the biggest, most violent having their way. As much as I admire Dada (an absurdest art movement. Wiki it folks)it isn't useful in having intelligent conversation. As for what I think, refer to my earlier posts.
To Jim G and zach Thanks for presenting law and order positions with cogent writing.
Which is now the stupidest thing i read all day.
It was still retarded.
Wow my spelling was awful there (their?).
Uhm,
Your post amy be the stupidezst thing I've read all day, and earlier I was reading the New York Post. Congratulations.
Neighbor, by taking one thing I said, which, by the way, was simply an observation, and ignoring the substance of my initial argument, you devalue both our arguments. But to answer your question, I will pose another- Isn't every individual's perception of the world their (there, maybe, Texan?) excuse for their own actions?
However. How. Many. Times. Do. I. Have. To. Say. This. I. Wasn't. There.
So it's all quite relative, really.
Anon.
I would write a thesis on your subject, but my parts came in for work. Some days I feel like the last blue collar person around. Anyways, if you read my blogs I have always claimed that it was not the music. I do not listen to hip hop, rap or whatever genera this event was last night. My point in brief is that of all the other four year schools in the area, I have never heard of a riot on campus from a concert and it seems TESC is always a problem. The event was at TESC and meant for its students, its there responsibility. That’s my opinion as right or wrong as it may be.
Peace,
That is just retarded thinking!
So since the school is yours will you destroy your vehicle of education to?
I bet you would, because you paid for it.
That is just retartded!
As a TESC grad this really upsets me. I agree with some of the previous comments about the tie between Evergreen and events like this. Just because the even was held at Evergreen does not mean it should be seen as a reflection of the academic body. I believe that Evergreen students already have so much to overcome due to the stereotypes that exist about them, most of which are incorrect. We don't need occurances like the one last night to be added to the reputation of Evergreen. People who make us look worse that we already do really frustrate me. Lets just add to the stereotype.
BDog-
Fair enough. Agreed. True democracy is more like anarchy than anything else, and true anarchy is, in essence, democracy. Dead Prez.. I don't listen to lyrics much, I dj so I usually listen to beats and music. So I don't know their message. However if its about revolution against the white power structure in this country, as a white man (Irish) I have no problem endorsing that point of view. And if I don't why can't other white people? So I don't know if they are truly "selling out" by performing and TESC.
Sunny, see how well things work out when you riot instead of letting the dust settle and figure things out rationally?
Peace: "Also, property rights are quite subjective- the whole idea of property could be argued to be a fantasy." Is that your excuse to do as you please?
We the People are sick and tired of this behavior coming out of this institution!
Call the President of TESC, call the Governor's office, call your legislators and congressman, flood your complaints and let them know that We the People are fed up with these lowlifes! Demand accountability and prosecution!
And don't forget the Sheriff and Prosecutor's offices!
Well I wasn't involved, but had I been there I would have had every right as a Thurston County tax payer to be involved. It's my property, my taxes paid for it. With all the bitching and whining about taxes going to TESC, y'all are very conveniently forgetting that our taxes also bought that car.
Also, property rights are quite subjective- the whole idea of property could be argued to be a fantasy.
Finally, if Texan insists on being an ignorant blow hard, I will call him on his grammatical errors. The man obviously went to school for the degree, not for any "education."
Peace,
What I am saying is that Dead Prez talks a game of revolution against white people and then sells out and performs at a white institution like evergreen. Have you listened to their music? "We need a revolution", etc? Your right, I should have said liberals, in general, but I was trying to make the point that you can talk all you want, why do we need to have rules for a discussion on someone else terms. That does not seem like democracy.
Here's my quick account:
I exited the Dead Prez concert to see a massive, screaming and chanting crowd surrounding a police car. I'd heard that there was an arrest being made outside from Dead Prez, but that had been during the show, not in the time afterwards.
Within a few seconds of exiting and seeing the crowd, I'm blasted with pepper spray, and I see a policeman forcefully beating and shoving people back. I notice a friend get clocked in the head.
Any and all information on what was happening came after that point, and the police weren't exactly easy to listen to at that point.
Mob mentalities are a scary thing, but they're not caused by Evergreen or Dead Prez, and not by cops either.
Really, Peace. What difference does it make he spells or phrases his opinion? At least he learned by 3rd grade what many at TESC have yet to....it's not OK to destroy someone else's property. Peace?? you gotta be kidding.
Obviously, BDog, black and brown liberals are the ones that really get it, huh.
I'm suprised nobody sprayed "D.T.F." on the car. I wonder how some of these kids are going to explain this to their parents. Oh well, the OPD had it coming. VIVA LE LIBRE QUEBEC!
Anon,
You see, the problem with white liberals is that they think that they are smarter than everyone else. Who are you to say we need to have a "cogent" debate or argument, this is what democracy looks like, people shouting out their views and opinion. Liberals want to talk that game and then don't like it when they can't dictate the debate. Conservatives wnat to shut it down all together when we talk about an uncomfortable subject. So, say whats on YOUR mind, don't tell us people how to think, act or write.
Oh and you meant to say "taught not to." But hey, respect for the gestapo is more important than being articulate.
Obviously grammar and spelling were not the priorities there, huh. Or should I say their?
I went to a real college. I had real classes. I was taught to not destroy police property.
I have to go back to work! TESC is a great college with wonderful students!
Texan, obviously you could benefit from TESC- you meant to say there when you said their. Its, yknow, something most people learn in the third grade.
It is nice to see several thoughtful comments on what happened at Evergreen last night. Sadly, none of those reasoned writings come out of the anti-Evergreen crowd. Surely there is someone who can string enough words together to can lead a cogent discussion.
I challenge members of that community to write about the causes and consequences of rioting, the pitfalls of an Evergreen style liberal arts education, the damage rap and/or contemporary youth culture does to the body politic, and what, if any, TESC has to do with the riot beyond having the bad luck to provide the venue, without resorting to insults and threats of violence. Those serious about their conservative beliefs can and will rise to this challenge. Sadly, I have to say I'd be surprised to read such a response in this forum.
Mytug... take a break, I do not want you to have a hart failure.
phungbuie:
You can't be serious. As if anyone could not get into that place. I mean any 2 year old would have the brains to get in their. Go back to your water painting class.
True mytug. These kids are playing "revolution" when working people are out trying just to get by and make ends meet. If they want to do some good and fight the "man" then they need to get up off there behinds and help folks get a union, get dirty down in the streets helping people (instead of hanging out sippn coffee all day) and organize poor people.
Peace.
Yes it was not TESC fault for what happen on thier campus. More tax $ to hand them.
The OPD is so corrupt and racist that they have absolutely no credibility when they pretend to "Serve and protect." And for your information, not everyone at TESC is a trust fund hippie- I attend TESC three days a week and the other four I work full time and I don't appreciate being generalized in with everyone else there. How would you like it if I called you a hysterical right wing blowhard like so many of the posters- though not all- on this comment board? Correct ya head.
I love how these peaceful TESC students continue to cause riots. They are only exposing themselves for the anarchists that they are! Notice the anarchists symbol which they used at the port protests too! A dead giveaway! They are becoming more hated and despised in this town than Bush/Cheney!
burt, what is your name? Where do you hire? I would call that descrimination. Be a man/women. Tell us who you are. I would really really like to know. But your not going to huh? You will just continue to break the law, and cry foul when others do. What a great citizen you are. You don't deserve to be in a position to hire.
No real comment will come from TESC staff.
Mytug... what..you could not get accepted at TESC
Why hasn't TESC or The State of Washington made some kind of a comment about what happened last night?
I think it may be inappropriate to continue to tie activities such as the incident on Valentine's night directly to TESC (even though clearly occurred on the campus). I believe it is another situation where a fairly small number of individuals act out in a truly inappropriate manner. In this case, it happened to occur on the campus of TESC. It could just as easily have happened on the streets of downtown Olympia or on the Port property. These individuals show a lack of self-control and respect when those in position of authority try to address potentially unlawful and dangerous acts. However, I do not also believe that you can ignore the impact of a certain "attitude" pervailing from a growing number of people associated with TESC. It takes a certain amount of maturity, self control and intelligence to protest in a manner which does not result in violence and/or property damage. Unfortunately, there are a certain number of people who do not display any of these qualities when they attempt to voice their positions. I am a very big proponent of free speech and our citizens' right to protest to support their views. There simply is no way you will win support from others when this turns into potentially violent gatherings where injuries and/or property damage are the likely result. I hear people talk all of the time about the quality of education at TESC and the "thought provoking" methods of learning. It is too bad that many associated with TESC lose sight of this and revert to behavior that is simply wrong by anyone's definition! By the way....I love this area and have no desire to move to Idaho or Texas (as some voiced in earlier comments). However, I have grown tired of trying to "debate" certain positions with some here in this area only to be shouted down. Not very "thought provoking" to not at least have the courtesy or self control to listen to an opposing point of view and respond in an even, calm manner. Just something that many of us have learned to deal with over the past years in watching these people act in such a way.
Has TESC heard about acting smart
One guy gets arrested and so lets have a roit...that the TESC way of teaching
I received the "Reader Network" feed back e mail before reading this article. have the police ever heard of crowd control,riot gear,tazars,
tear gas,justifiable use of FORCE.
To have let this individual go shows what not to do. Close that cesspool down. The only thing being taught there is anarchy,how to over power the police,how to over throw the goverment. The list goes on .
B dogg is right
the man arrested was BREAKING up a fight before dead prez even came on. A fight in wich noone was even slighlty hurt. The people who as i saw it were beating one guy up 4 on 1 ran to the cops and told them that one of the guys breaking up the fight was involved. The cop came in the concert and arrested that man. the crowd outside as well as myself were disgusted in how the cop took these idiots word for it and arrested the man. As for the cruiser that was destroyed, it never wouldve happened if the wsp and opd didnt come in swinging. They hit a peaceful crowd w batons and when that didnt work they used pepper spray. This is what caused the riot! As far as i am concerned the police instigated the riot.
This is the type of conflict resolution that a small group of activist professors "teaches" at Evergreen. Those professors need to be purged. There are too many unemployed radical socialist activists at Evergreen masquerading as students. There are too many radical socialist riot inciting activists masquerading as professors. How about this, you have to teach a scholarly subject and not just spout hate speech against capitalism, our republic and our law enforcement.
These socialist activists protest anything and everything and have no respect for property. It is no wonder that they destroyed a police car, they have no respect for property.
That car belongs to the people of Thurston County and they had no reason to destroy it. What did the people of Thurston County do to them other than tolerate their extreme left wing views?
If they didn't agree with the arrest, it can be challenged in court with a writ of Habeas Corpus. If he was arrested wrongly, the worst thing that could happen is he would be in Jail for 48 hours and then freed.
Destroying that car wasn't the worst thing that could happen, a mass of enraged officers swarming on the riotous mob beating and killing people was the worst thing that could happen. Luckily the Thurston County Sheriff showed restraint instead of escalating the violence further and nobody was hurt.
Also, get some of these college kids to part w they money some poor people can get health care and you will see the real riot, when they protest the poor gettn some!
Why not arrest the band? They provoked this make them PAY for the cop car all costs involved! I would also make the student activity folks have to chip in arrest as many as possible! This time give out JAIL sentences! We the tax payers should question Evergreen funding until this type of thing STOPS! Hit em in the pocket book they will understand this along with JAIL!
I was trying to be facetious.
Forget Evergreen and that sorry bunch of spoiled, rich, white kids, what about Dead Prez? They have officially moved from radical to Uncle Tom status, they out there rappn for some white kids who are going to turn around and be a part of the problem that they are talking about overthrowing? A Bunch of these posters are talking about having good jobs, MBAs and all that stuff, come on brothers, you are preaching to the problem. These whites feel the need to lash out because they are guilty for their privlidge over black folks. You wanna do some good, go to the poor areas of Seattle and get your message out, where there is a color line so clear. These evergreeners don't know no better, but Dead Prez does. suckers.
I don't give a rats *ss if anyone associated with TESC agrees or disagrees with me. What I care about is that the police officers who serve my community are not threatened the way they were last night, that public property that my tax dollars helps to pay for is not destroyed, and my children - who sleep within walking distance of TESC - are safe.
Alyssa, it's called freedom of speech! Think I'll grab a sign and join him!
St Martins is a real college. They have real classes. Preparing students for the real world.
Ya... I gave it a break. At one time that area was a nice with trees, springs and nice animals untill they cut it all down for a radical meeting point. Move the campus to Yakima!
And then there are those of us who believe rioting and destroying police property is more important to a free society than police departments...
It easy to make fun of TESC untill we have to pay higher taxes.. It more fun to make fun of the students
Let’s face it. Making fun of Evergreen is a lot like shooting fish in a barrel. Cruel but fun and easy. It’s a Lot like making fun of the Daily Zero.
St. Martins has class, dignity, respect. I am pround to have it as part of the community where I live and work and raise my family.
Funny, you never hear about this crap being connected to St. Martins........
Call the Evergreen State College, Office of the President to voice your displeasure. 360-867-6100
This was a student function, and I bet that there will be evidence that shows up on MySpace, Youtube, and Facebook.
Perhaps the "great.. loving caring" Greeners would like to replace all of the street signs and fences in the vicinity of the college that are regularly grafitied and they could also pay for a new squad car.
fungbuie:
You really think you are loving. Are you loving to police authority??
Do you think its ok to destroy police property??????
Fact is there has been an active "Anarchist" thread for a good 10 years now - predating Goober's Whitehouse years. It attaches itself to any public protest be it PETA, Seattle's WTO conference or the current Iraq debacle. Agitators from Univ of Oregon are frequently mentioned in related media reports. Anarchism is an opportunist philosophy that preys on sincere people and, in Evergreen's case, the impressionable and sometimes naive. I suspect one or a couple of bad, longterm actors at the college are the source of the problem and need to be rooted out and would not broadly condemn students or Evergreen.
My tug, give it a break. Greener's are great.. loving caring people.
More negatives come across this community then positives from the curriculum of the TESC.
Students showed solidarity against the police and for destroying the implements of capitalist control.
Hey Bruce, let me guess, you are 45 and still go to school at Evergreen. The capitalist society scares you. It ok, join reality, I know your scared, but it will be alright. Its really not that bad. Maybe your can find a part time job with your Anti-Establishment degree with your Political Diatribe writing minor.
Nice.
save the city, punch a greener in the head.... send em back from where they came.....
yeah anon, i scared. i`ll just throw change out after i do it and it will be a clean getaway..
i also think we should all protest the college by going out there on super saturday and have our cars & truck "breakdown" in the roundabout....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!
would`nt that piss off a bunch of greener parents!!
TESC is and always will be out classed from the other 4 year colleges and universities because of the actions of there radical students. It was not the music; it was none bathing extreme individuals.
A black mark on TESC. Out come the critics. Shame on any student that participated. No excuses - where was your critical thinking?
right-on Texan.
Hippy!
TESC should be shutdown!
Even better, send them all to jail, the president, staff and students. Their all involved with this.
But wait, the relatives should be sent to jail to because I am sure they support their actions.
We should also round up all of their friends because I am sure they know who they are friends with and must also be involved.
And dont forget the family of those friends. I am sure they were involved too.
Eventually there will be no one left but me. 
What's truely amazing is that mob mentality rules. In a rock concert or a news paper column..
The difference seems to be a fine line..
I would never own a gun, wear a cowboy hat, spit tabaccy or live by the bible. I also don't like my tax dollars supporting an environment that is conducive to violence, defacing property, etc.
WHAT planet do you live on where you think it is OK to destroy a police car. And then you want people to take you serious. Oh please. It must be nice to live on planet Evergreen. Where nobody fails because there are no grades. No tests. Oh yeah!!!!! you will be ready for the real world.
That sure was easy wasn't it?
That sure was easy wasn't it?
More crack-more panic-moe cops-more jails
You see emergency-total war
You see emergency-total war
You see a black face-you see a crackhead
You see a black face-you see a crackhead
You see a black face-you see Willie Horton with a knife
You see Willie Horton with a knife
You see one Willie Horton you've seen them all
They're everywhere, I know
You asked for it, you've got it
Drug suspects have no rights at all
Property seized and sold before trial
Labor camps-on American soil?!?
Neo-Nazi bootboys
That the cops never seem to arrest
Prowl neighborhoods with baseball bats
Why now? Why do they get so much press...?
Mein Kampf-the mini series
Ollie North-"patriotic" hero
The leader for tomorrow is yours today
Finally gotcha psyched for a police state
On the Washington D.C. Beltway
Around and around I go
In a black van with no windows
And a chimney puffing smoke
My van's a mobile oven now
That burns the bodies you never see
Just like in Chile or Guatemala
People just seem to disappear
Just like Rome
We fell asleep when we got spoiled
Ignore human rights in the rest of the world
Ya might just lose your own
As the noose of narco-militarism
Tightens 'round your necks
We worry about burning flags
And pee in jars at work
To ker jobs
But if someone came for you one night
And dragged you away
do you really think youneighbors
Would even care
Around our nation's capital
There's a freeway 8 lanes wide
White concrete ringed around the city
For those who want inside
Get on get off
Ignore everything to the sides
In your midst I drive
While homeboys in the back of the van make drugs
Wanna hide something like a ccrack lab
Just put it in plain sight
Only stop to refuel and unload
More poison to tear more lives apart
Gang wars like never before
Better lock your doors, buy some guns
And pray (prey?) for martial law
On the Washington D.C. Beltway
Around and around I go
In the black van with no windows
And a chimney puffing smoke
Bloody headlines in the news each day
Drug "crisis" everywhere
So much comes in so easy
It's as though someone wants it there
It would be a little obvious
To fence off all the slums
Hand out machine guns
to the poor in the projects
And watch 'em kill each other off
A more subtle genocide is when
The only hope for the young
Is to join the Army and slowly die
Wall Street or Crack Dealer Avenue
The last roads left to the American Dream
Wall Street or Crack Dealer AVenue
Wall Street or Crack Dealer Avenue
Only on road leads to this neighborhood
Little kids wanna sell drugs when they grow up
The folks might get just a little upset
If they knew where that dope comes from
Froom Columbia to the Contras
To our Air Force bases, where we trade it for guns
The moral equivilent of a serial killer
And his CIA friends
Call the shots from the White House
But now that we own the media too
Those stories just aren't run
On the Washington D.C. Beltway, 'round and 'round I go
In a black van with no windows, and a chimney puffing smoke
Some gang that ran smack in Viet Nam
Ain't got no reason to fear
Just get a Vice President so dumb
The crook at the top never gets impeached
A police car remains flipped over and destroyed behind the Evergreen gym this morning. It is a silent reminder of an infamous Valentine’s night. It is important that we try and make some sense of what happened and why. What made hundreds of students surrounding a cop car start chanting for the release of a black man in the back of the vehicle? What made the chanting and blockading become pepper-spray and broken bottles?
The majority won’t look very far for the answers to these questions. Most administrators, faculty, staff, students, media and police will take certain stances that are predictable and simple. Their reactions will be based in stereotypes. Unless we reject these answers as insufficient, valuable understanding will be lost.
A better understanding of why students sat covering their swollen eyes unable to breath and cops were forced into retreating away from a myriad of thrown projectiles can be discovered in a historical context. Olympia passed a law that effectively banishes the homeless from downtown. Police downtown increase their arrests and harassment for frivolous crimes like jay walking. Evergreeners were maliciously brutalized at the Port of Olympia protests by cops earlier this winter. All these are local issues that make this campus upset.
On a larger level students are fed up with a war in Iraq led by a president they hate. This causes a legitimate sense of powerlessness over their government. Issues like global warming and a rapidly recessing economy portend towards hopelessness about their future. These, along with mounting school loans, are common worries of college students everywhere in America. Here at Evergreen these troubles have started to lead towards action.
The students acted decisively to stop the vehicle and free the black man. Why he was arrested didn’t seem to matter. The challenge was towards the cops, towards the systemic racism that leaves black people poor, in jail, and without opportunities. The students chanted to the cops, “let him go,” and the cops ignored their demands at first. A half hour later, when people began pounding on the cop car and objects began to be thrown, they listened and the man was freed, only after he gave them his name.
The police used pepper-spray on the faces of the students. They had their tazers ready in hand. The students continued to throw objects at the police car as it and the other ten cop cars slowly backed up and left. One car was left behind empty and the students went to work on flipping it over and destroying it. The students were unrestrained but not out of control. They focused on removing the cops from the area and destroying the remaining car while rallying solidarity.
Students showed solidarity against the police and for destroying the implements of capitalist control. Keep in mind the historic context, the powerlessness within the system, the hopeless futures not as good as their parents and much worse for their kids. Currently civilization is facing problems of a magnitude that they cannot solve through simple changes in elected officials, new laws or $600 buyouts.
As the lives of the poor and the entire young generation get worse, these incidents will become more frequent. It is going to begin looking more cohesive too. Don’t fear the masses when they are unrestrained like this. This is a healthy destruction.
yeaaa im the Tax Man
Typical hippie geener response.
Blame everything on the Iraq war.
What's next, you shoplift and get caught, then you claim you had to steal because the prices are so high due the Iraq war.
That is so played out. Get some new argument. Take some responsibility!
Evergreen changed my life, made me into a responsible citizen. I've seen firsthand the superb things that happen at TESC--things that don't happen anywhere else--and the superb human beings that it graduates. There are plenty of students who are not proud of this riot. In fact, they make up the majority. It's easy for folks who don't like the college to hype this up in order to justify their position that Evergreen is a phony school, unworthy of their hard-earned tax dollars--without having a clue about what really goes on there, without having a clue about good education. Granted, there are students who have a lot to learn about how to express themselves politically, about how to channel their outrage in a productive way. But that's why it's important that they've come to Evergreen, a place that teaches just that. It's up to the student to take it or leave it. Most of us have taken it, and will do what we can to educate others--including those of our peers who were involved in this mistake last night--about what it means to be a responsible citizen.
As for wasting your hard-earned tax dollars: event insurance will end up paying for those damages, not tax dollars.
For all of the "shut Evergreen down" crowd let me say that TESC has been around for almost 40 years and most of you spiteful idiots posting here have either not been here that long yourselves, were too young to care when it was built or are now well into your 60's, still bitching about it and are still living in 1958 with your leave it to beaver mentality.
You are a hateful, violent crowd yourselves and have a backwoods mentality. If you don't like it here, MOVE! GO AWAY! There are many people of your own breed out in Idaho. You'd love it there. Or how 'bout the Texas panhandle. You guy's would love that place. You couldn't get further away from the greeners than there. Imagine, a greener-free life where everybody carries a gun, wears a cowboy hat, spits tabaccy and lives strictly according to the bible. It's your heaven on earth. What are you waiting for?
Besides, TESC was probably here before you anyway.
Okay flame on, taking the college away sounds like a hallucination as well. Should I put that in my magic suitcase. Sounds like you have been eating those mushrooms with your greener friends.You go away and take TESC with you I hate that place more than you ever will....You stinky Olympia hippy scum.
I was at the Dead Prez concert and witnessed the riot. It did not escalate to violence until after the cops started to use mace and club random people. I personally witnessed one cop throw two obviously underage girls into a bike rack before anyone started throwing anything. The cops got what they asked for.
I'm concerned with were ALL of my tax dollars are going! Pointing a finger at the amount of $ spent on Iraq doesn't make the incident at TESC, and cost to taxpayers because of it, right.
I am saddened by what happened after the dead prez show last night, but even more saddened by the comments I have read in response to it. As an Evergreen senior, I feel the need to stand up for my school, faculty, and a large portion of my fellow students. I, like most, attend Evergreen because I have found that the interdisciplinary, seminar-based, cooperative style of education simply works well for me. I did not come because I couldn't attend a "real" college, because I wanted to seek out a haven to practice anarchy and lawlessness, or because I didn't want to work hard. Evergreen is a place where the students define their experience, and they are free to make as much or as little of it as they want. I, along with many other students, choose to make the most of it and practice cooperation, interpersonal communication and community-building both inside the classroom and out. The education I have received at Evergreen will be invaluable to me in the future, thanks to my faculty, peers and my own dedication to this experience.
The accusations I have heard towards the students and the faculty of Evergreen are largely false. Every faculty member I have encountered is brilliant and dynamic in their own way, but also completely capable of being objective and professional. Please don't dismiss them as hacks preaching anarchy and disruption. No one would condone the sort of behavior we saw after the show last night--I view myself, and most of the people I know at Evergreen, as completely removed from that situation. If I am viewed as an immature and intolerant delinquent simply because I attend Evergreen, I not only dispute that label as completely false, but I also want no part of the community that is so quick to judge me in that light. Lastly, please don't take this lightly--I mean to defend my school while giving the utmost gravity to the accusations leveled against it. I agree that the behavior of these rioters is reprehensible, but I want it to be known that I support my school 100% as a learning environment that is conducive to community building and cooperation.
"Thurston County Chief Criminal Deputy James Chamberlain said authorities made the right call in releasing the male because of the escalating unruly behavior of the crowd."
What kind of pussy cop is this? Did he "graduate" from Evergreen?
Bring back Gary Edwards!
You may have heard about an incident at the Dead Prez concert on campus last night. This is a serious and disturbing incident for our campus and we want to ensure that the people responsible are held accountable for their actions.
These are the basic facts as we understand them at this time:
Several individuals were involved in a fight at the concert Thursday night.
As the concert was ending, one of the people involved in the fight – not an Evergreen student – was arrested and escorted out of the building by an Evergreen police officer and placed in the officer’s car.
To accommodate additional statements from members of the crowd regarding the incident – while she planned to take the detained person to Police Services for further questioning – the officer called for assistance from Thurston County Sheriffs.
Thurston County officers responded to the scene.
A crowd of people had surrounded the Evergreen officer’s car as she tried to leave the scene. They demanded that the person arrested be released and started striking the car.
The car and the officers outside were being pelted with rocks and bottles.
The Thurston County officers called for further back-up and other officers began to arrive at the scene.
The Evergreen officer got out of her car, obtained basic identification information from the person she’d detained and released him from the scene.
The crowd still did not disperse and continued to throw things at the officers and push them.
The officers used pepper spray to disperse the crowd and allow the car and the Evergreen officer to leave safely.
A Thurston County police vehicle still at the scene was overturned and seriously damaged. An Evergreen police vehicle was less seriously damaged.
While there was a large crowd gathered, not all of the people on the scene were involved in damaging the police vehicles. It’s unclear at this point just how many people were directly involved in causing the damage.
The initial indication is that there were no serious injuries.
By the time an additional contingent of officers arrived, the crowd had largely dispersed.
It appears at this point that the officers involved in responding to this incident acted appropriately in managing the situation.
Evergreen Police Services is leading an investigation of the incident with support from the Thurston County Sheriff’s Department. If you have information that would help in the investigation of this incident, please contact Police Services at 867-6832.
E-DOG,
Of course they do! Just the point. Thought you were "done" - you can go away now and take TESC with you. Thanks.
For anyone concerned with the amount of tax dollars they are paying because of this incident, I would suggest that they examine the costs for the illegal war in Iraq. Of the total $456 BILLION spent already, as of March 2007, $10.4 BILLION is from Washington State alone. 66.7 MILLION dollars of war spending have come from the tax payers of Olympia alone. Also it is impossible to put a price on the hundred of local lives lost to this cause, and the thousands of local men and women still in harms way. What do we have to show for it?
It doesn’t take a degree to understand whose getting screwed here.
Note: These figures are not from a "leftist" source; in fact it comes from Harvard economist Linda Bilmes, and the National Priority Project. http://www.nationalpriorities.org/
An officer allways has to worry about his or her safety, saying that these people dont risk their lives on a daily basis is pure hallucination.
I was saddened to see this happen at evergeeen. as an alumni, i know that this is not something that ever happens there. It seems like the situation got out of control and i am more than sure that it was not evergreen students that caused this riot. as for shutting down the college, closed minded people will always be ready to point the finger at greeners whatever happens.
Dear E-Dog,
An officer should not have to worry about her/his own saftey when performing their job. She didn't spit on anyone, or throw rock or bottles at them.
There's at least one evergreen alum sitting in the pokey right now for killing a cop in California a couple of years back. Wouldn't be surprised if there are more.
This front page story points to a serious problem on this campus.
Shoot my "innocent" self was watching most of the maylay with a law enforcement officer standing next to me, doing nothing for a good 20min. At one point the officer was leaving with the suspect but instead of hitting reverse she drove around the round about in front of the campus rec center and into a wall of exiting concert goers. She did a poor job at best and I never felt that there was a sense that she had the situation under control. I mean, she cuffed the guy right in front of me in the thick of a crowd with no back-up. I am six foot four and over 250 lbs,she was a small 5'5 or so, had I been a bad guy it would have been lights out no doubt, and I would have been glock armed.A poor job at making things safer at the best. Stick a fork in me I'm done
Why is it Evergreen is involved everytime public property is destroyed?
The Assessor raises my taxes more than 60% and everytime Olympia makes National news it's negative.
No longer the WA/Olympia I know and it's very SAD.
As far as I can see, pacifism isn't on the curriculum at Evergreen, although Protesting 101 and Thuggery 201 seem to be.
Nice work, granola munchers! What's next, spitting on soldiers outside Ft. Lewis?
Why does everyone assume that hip-hop = violence? This simply isn't true. The category of "gangster rap" which promotes violence does NOT encompass all of hip-hop. I personally enjoy hip-hop which is articulate, with meaningful insights into culture and life. Not mindless drivel about bling bling, b*tchs and rims.
Here is a small excerpt from one of their songs, entitled "Cop Shot".
The only good cop is a dead cop
police brutality
must come to a STOP
Dem kill Latinos
dem kill more black
Luima in Brooklyn,
Diallo in the BRONX
We spark rebellion,
watch them get ROCKED
self-defense is not a violent act
Police MURDER
budget get cut back
Guilliani send his troops to ATTACK
they soon retreat
watch them run back
cop shot, cop shot, cop SHOT
cop shot, cop shot, cop SHOT
Good choice of bands Evergreen, you need to be SHUT DOWN IMMEDIATLY!!!
This is absolute Bull*hit. The Evergreen State College needs to be SHUT DOWN. These punk *ss kids take any opportunity to riot and protest. Boycott Super Saturday. SHUT THIS SCUM COLLEGE DOWN. Thurston County Sheriffs office WILL YOU PLEASE MAKE ARRESTS.
What Olympia residents blaming Evergreen and the students? Did it ever occur to folks that many non-students of Evergreen attend shows and event on campus. Funny that folks automatically blame the Greeners. Get the facts straight before you start pointing fingers. Heck The Olympian isn't the greatest source for facts either.
Justaguy-Why exactly should the college be shut down. If we closed every college that had a riot there wouldn't be very many left. Another point you missed is that many of the people at that concert were not even students there. Evergreen holds concerts of many varieties all the time. And there have never been any incidents like this one. You just want sombody to hate and discriminate against. Which makes you no better than the thugs that wrecked the police cruiser.
What's all this idle chit chat?! LOOK get back to work so you can afford to send your kids to college hay any luck they too can go Evergreen! This what one gets when they work hard send there still children to college! Now break time is over back to work and make it snappy!
Time to close that place! Lets blockade super saturday and see what happens?
TESC is having a little bit of a conflict over what the next event should include. Perhaps they ought to open suggestions from the middle school Undergraduates that attend there. The so called greener politics or posers are not From the primitive era of Elvis's hip thrust, Marvin Guy’s lets get it on, and Chuck Berry's riding along in my automobile, nor the formerly eon of psychedelic peace and love Woodstock. It appears as if Loathing and Unintelligent in Evergreen could be a great movie event. It was not the music, it was the type of students that has differentiated from deeper; often more intense genres that transmit the equivalent messages of rebellion, anti-establishment attitude, and individuation through nonconformity. Students at Evergreen created the sense of community that is called hookswitch. I wonder if the most popular votes will be arranged for more mania at the expense of taxpayers.
change is now.
I think two things are clear:
1) TESC should be eliminated, and
2) We need a sheriff who will keep order.
Funny how everyone on here has been saying that if you graduated from Evergreen you can't get a good job. Well, as a greener grad currently at my good job I just got back from my lunch break and noticed a man at the corner of cooperpoint and black lake blvd holding a sign stating, "Save our tax dollars. Nuke Evergreen". Haha, I wonder what he does for a living.
The Police Officer was doing her job the best way she knew with the information she had available to her at the time. I thank her for that. It disgusts me that any officer in the county/city where I live would be treated the way this woman/officer was last night. Those of you "innocent" bystanders who stood by and watched this happen should be ashamed of yourselves for allowing it.
Anyone wanting to know why the college allowed a Hip-Hop concert should call them and ask (360) 867-6000
"No Greener girls wear skirts, they'd have to actually shave their legs.
Oly For Life!"
my bad i was not talking about the girls
dont think pull up your skirt and cry would work at a hip hop concert
No Greener girls wear skirts, they'd have to actually shave their legs.
Being that I haven't been a Washington resident for very long and I am not a student at the college I'm not going to put myself of the conversations not directly related to the story. For anyone else in attendance last night I wold believe that you too would have a serious problem with the following excerpt from the article.
After the arrest, Kessler said, a member of the hip-hop group reportedly told the crowd, “They’re taking one of our people. Go take care of it.”
I'm baffled that a reporter would be allowed to put something that wasn't even said in as a direct quote. Given that I was standing 2 feet from the stage I can assure everyone who wasn't there that what was said involved people getting the officer's badge number and "getting organized". He wanted people to handle the situation properly through the right channels.
If she wanted to paraphrase something to steer the intent of his words in that direction then so be it, but the use of a direct quote is simply poor journalism.
Apparently "Go take care of it." is a quote that'll sell more papers so she decided to make up her own.
If the band told concert goers to riot then the band should be held responsible. They should pay for all damages and go to jail for inciting a riot and be fined big time so they won't do it again. What other recourse is there other than no more concerts and that ain't gonna happen.
Those of us living near TESC are under the impression that the bulk of the writing done by those attending TESC is NOT done on keyboards but rather with paint on any available surface, i.e. signs, fences. It's "ok" to deface another person's personal property??? Or destroy a vehicle???? It's ok with me if the college, and the students receiving financial aid to attend, don't get anymore of my hard-earned tax dollars.
"via the type of conflict resolution taught at Evergreen."
i dont think pull up your skirt and cry would work at a hip hop concert
Texan:
You are incorrect about the level of writing work done at Evergreen. I have never had so many writing assignments at any other institution. Evergrene is the sort of college that makes their students read and write until the letters wear off the keyboards and their wrists are cramped.
So, a bunch of kids got into a noogie match at a hip hop concert.
It's not like these things ever escalate into violence without law enforcement around to fuel it.
Perhaps next time they should simply be allowed to work it all out amongst themselves....via the type of conflict resolution taught at Evergreen.
As a young person getting ready to graduate and head into the real world, something my education taught me long ago was to stand up for what you feel is right.
The events that took place last night on Evergreen's campus or for the previous few months in Olympia do not represent The Evergreen State College. Evergreen unlike any other school provides an education which the student gets out why they put in. Yes, you can slip by doing the minimum amount of work, but most students from Evergreen do not. Most student work hard for the diploma they receive and come out of the school with more life experience and job qualification then many people currently employed. Evergreen provides students with a plethora of opportunities to get hands on, real life experience. You cannot allow the actions of a few to effect how you view the whole.
In addition, most events that happen at Evergreen are open to the public, meaning you do not have to be a student to attend. These events provide wonderful opportunities for the community to continue their education through great speakers such as Maya Angelo who came to campus last year. The campus also provide a much need venue for large performances and concerts in Olympia such as Comedian and Evergreen Alumni Josh Blue who perfomed two weeks ago and Dead Prez who performed last night. Again you cannot allow the actions of a few to effect how you view the whole.
The Evergreen State College is a valuable education institution in the Northwest which provides much to its small community and even more to the students who attend this college, such as myself. Evergreen has provided me with experiences never thought I would pursue. This quarter I am working with distinguished community members to organize a fundraising event for the Evergreen Rowing Team, the connections I have made thought this will help me in every area of my future career.
With this said, I do not condone or support the actions on the Evergreen Campus early Friday morning. The Evergreen State College is a great school with much to offer and those who graduate will and do make a great impact on the communities they live in. You should only hope they choose stay in Olympia Washington. Our community will only be better for it.
i`m gonna go to super saturday and spit on greeners this year, before, i used to throw change at them and watch them fight for it.....
scooter.
you do that Scooter and you'll be arrested for assault just as surely as a greener who did that to you.
So parts of the state troopers video statement were incorrect. The kid they arrested was standing next to me and my wife for most of the headliners set.At one point he left and came back, and resumed calmly watching the shoe. Then a female school officer grabbed him and was saying something about him being outside just earlier and proceeded to cuff him in the crowd during the show. After that the show went on for over a half an hour more.
When the pumped up greeners were exciting the occifers had the kid in the squad car directly in front of the only exit. How could it take that long to secure an arrestee I dont know. Then after ten pissed greeners gathered the cops could have still left easily. Then they waited and the capacity crowd started raging. Truly a display of affluent entitlement the upper middle class crowd seemed to know that the cops would not hurt them.
It seemed like there was a lack of wisdom in the decision not to remove the kid earlier.One should expect such a cdisplay from college kids, especially greeners. The show started at 9 and the only cop that I saw until the end of the show at 1:30 was the female occifer. You got to know when you are outnumbered. Know when to walk away know when to run you never count your money when your sittin at the table there be plenty time for countin when the dealin's done. Words to live by
Seems Thurston County should be sending the concert goers and the performers a bill to replace the police cruiser they destroyed. As a taxpayer I don't think we should have to pay up for their stupidity!!!!!
Get a life people. I'd have hoped your parents would have sent you off onto adulthood with more sense of responsibility than was shown.
what kind of message is this craphole sending? not a good one, the dumasses of the protest, now this?
what a bunch of RETARDS.....
i`m gonna go to super saturday and spit on greeners this year, before, i used to throw change at them and watch them fight for it.....
How can I send my daughter off for her first year of college this fall? It's not safe here or there or anywhere, is it?
If the worst thing that come out of TESC is a small "Riot" so be it...a group of "kids" don't like the fuzz...so be it...things could be a LOT worse...people could be getting mugged and attacked(UW) or worse (Illinois U)
as for the locals here in OLY...stop greener hating...it took me four years to get my B.A. and 2 years to get my MPA at Evergreen...and all i ever hear about is underwater basket weaving, glass blowing and craop from locals that have never even set foot on campus...
John, you're right. Any rational discussion on this board is futile. It winds up in petty right-versus-left and name calling. I've given up trying. What should be a spot for intelligent discussion is just a repository for drivel.
95 percent of you are all idiots.
Police use "escalation of force" to deal with problems such as this. You have fists, police have batons, you have a knife, police can use a gun. Remember the story of the man who got shot because he had a sword? Escalation of force.
Now, which one of you can tell me that you would stand up against 100+ people who are in "riot mode" when all you have to do is call for backup (which the officer did) and let the person go (which she did). She did this not because she wanted to, but because she feared for her life. Sure, a couple patrol cars got destroyed, but a life was not destroyed. Sounds like a good deal to me.
Riots such as this pale in comparison to some of the other happenings at other Universities or colleges.
Oh, I listen to hip-hop, rap, rock, metal, and even techno here and there. Are you going to call everyone who listens to that music a moron? That's what we call stereotyping.
Educating U: Nice comments, but I wasn't too keen on the racist part.
Whoever mentioned the hipocrocy in stating that the people who do not condone violence are the ones saying to shoot and burn them, good call.
Logic states that shutting down the school is a dumb idea, that the people involved in the riot were most likely a mix of students and non students, that decisions had to be made to preserve peace, and the outcome is minimal compared to what would have happened if everyone just "started shooting".
You people are ridiculous. Get over your emotions and think logically for once. OPD did and they only lost a couple cruisers that are replaceable. You can't replace a life.
robert whitlock.... you say you were not there but now want to bring race into it????? you must be a greener
They wrote "cops die". At graduation one year did not they have a cop killer for a speaker??????
It is sad to see an intention to injure each other amongst members of this community.
Concert goers were right to question and express dissent over what was perceived as a racially motivated wrongful arrest.
I wasn't there; I don't know the details of what happened.
Advocating injury of police officers is going too far in my opinion. Police officers may not always do the right thing, and they may abuse their power from time to time. That does not justify killing them or harming them.
It is important that we all truly listen to each other.
It's alarming and disturbing to see this violence in the community.
Really | 02.15.08 - 10:59 am
State Patrol has been hiring the wrong people for many years. Ok I will give you that not ALL state employees are bad. As a business owner I run into them all the time. When I was a developer they drove me nuts. I quit building which is something I really enjoy. The stress they put me under was incredible.
http://www.washingtonpolicy.org/
...ireDocument.pdf
Waste.....
Point is I know many State workers and some our great. But the state has a hard time weeding out the bad workers.
Yeeeehaw!
Any fool can post anything they like here and the Olympian will publish it.
just when i thought nothing happened in oly...
Instead of ranting on the internet (since it's the only thing you'll ever do), why don't you grab your pitchforks and head down to evergreen and shut it down yourselves.
these kids want to smash the state and are walking the walk.
If you want a degree just push the easy button.
Enough fun for one day. Time to get to the mountains and enjoy some of this great northwest living.
I worked my bottom off for my degree. IT was hard work. Working and going to school. It is offensive to see people playing school getting a fake degree.
Being a Hippie is simply a way to avoid life. It's easier to tell people you are a non-comformist than to tell them you are just too lazy too get a real job and be a useful member of society.
Complaining about the government but at the same time leeching off of our social services.
Hipocrites!
I'm disappointed that many of the posters to this thread aren't able to separate The Evergreen State College -- which is a large and bureaucratic institution that attracts people interested in all sorts of things -- from a small and militant group of activists.
Knee-jerk calls to shut down the college and self-righteous pronouncements that the working world ought to shred the resumes of Evergreen alumni aren't very constructive. In fact, such reflexive sentiments reveal posters to be quite as intolerant and prejudiced as the rioters last night!
Please, see if you can scrape together some respect for TESC as an institution and try to compartmentalize the activists. Many of us geoducks are too busy doing serious academic work to hit up hip-hop concerts in the CRC. I don't mean that facetiously, either; there's just no visibility in Olympia for many of the good things coming out of our school.
It's not TESC that needs to close.
The minds of certain community members need to open!
adult | 02.15.08 - 10:28 am
Maybe all of us close minded people should revolt. Hell, quit or jobs and grow our hair long. Spit on the Police and our troops. Yes...you are right, we need to open our minds to the TESC handlers so we can learn the truth. Peace and love right?????except when it comes to someone with a closed mind.. then we must stomp them. Maybe we could all live in a tent city and chant all day long. Yes opening the mind sure sounds fun...just like Jonestown. Now drink the koolaide and tip over another evil police car.
A Bob | 02.15.08 - 10:52 am
So that state patrol there last night were meter maids? Nice!
Ok, what about the mortgage fraud investigators who have helped prosecute hundreds of 'bad' mortgage brokers?
What about the investigators who work for the real estate inv division who daily help business owners from unfounded complaints and subsequent lawsuits? Now they also investigate and take action against those who violate the licensing laws.
What about the AG investigators who routinely fine and prosecute doctors or health care providers who defraud medicare/medicaid?
I could go on for hours just as you.
Your 'beef' with L&I and DSHS is well-documented but those aren't all state employees. By the way millionaire, what is your business? You make claims but never have any facts.
I love Dead Prez!
Saddaam I will admit did have a few good traits! Would had taken care of this situation clean and fast!
Time for the Sherriff to control situations like this!
Not baby sit spoiled little, non-apprective little PUNK Brats!
Bang some heads police!!!
I'll gladly donate to you legal fund in a heart beat!!!!!!!
This country is way too soft on crime & criminals!!!!
If hippies lay in the road when i'm driving I will run their smelly dirty hair ass over.
Man this is a sad story and shame on Dead Prez. Though I have been a fan of these guys, it is kind of strange that they would perform in a mostly white community at liberal school for spoiled kids, for the people that Dead Prez raps about being against. Really sad.
If you want to know where evergreen students end up, look at the alumni pages. You will find Evergreen grads in nearly every work-field in the nation, from lawyers and doctors to high finance and administration. Evergreen grads are politicians, scientists, business-people, trades-people, entertainers, and designers.
I find it amazing that in just a few hours this story has gotten so many hateful comments, and am inclined to think that just a few people are bombbarding the page for sensationalism.
It is sad that this could happen in a place where 'adults' go to expand their knowledge and understanding.
It makes me sick. Living in this town makes me sick. It's disgusting.
So why do you dislike the WSP so much?
Really | 02.15.08 - 9:13 am | #
Meter maids=wsp
I do like OPD and Thurston County
As far as the rest of the State workers. My wife was once among them. They do nothing but interfere with everything to do with business. I have been Audited by the state and those employees kept asking me what the rules are. How crazy is that? I told them My Accountant was there on my dime and not to answer thier questions. Every Business owner has problems with Washington State Government and it's employees that don't care. I could go on for hours on this topic.
Hippies smell like stale weed and government cheese.
Hey freelodaing Greeners, it shouldn't take 12 years to get your B.A. in Interpretive Dance with a Glass Blowing minor.
Actually, Anon, you are genuinly correct. I appoligize. I suppose I am only fueling the fire that is these posting boards. I have tried to debate in the past but it gets all muddy cause there are more people that would rather rant.
So I decided that i would just throw crap around and instigate arguments. Probably a good waste of time.
Doesnt seem like these posting boards are very good venues for actual debate.
Oh well. Im done now.
TEXAN! Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Anyone with "white-out" on there screen can clean it with this link; http://cache.valleywag.com/
asset...screenclean.swf
thats not white out texan...
yucky
washy
you made a mistake, the thread for hippie burnouts and their wannabes is over there
/points to the dumpsters behind bread and roses
Sorry john, just though like drop to your level and understand what it feels like to sling mud rather than debate issues.
texan. better a dirty mouth than an empty mind. You do need to shut the f*ck up until you have an idea and not an insult.
Hey here 2 Evergreen jokes:
Why did the Evergreener stare at a frozen orange juice can for 2 hours?
Because it said 'concentrate'.
How can you tell when an Evergreener has used your computer?
There's "White-Out" all over the screen.
Reminds me of the 60's all over again. A place called Vietnam where Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield never went. But John McCain did and he now says we could be in Iraq for 100 years. So much for being home by Christmas. Spending over $2 billion a month for Iraq for 100 years. Do the math, bright boys. Leadership like that would've kept us still in Vietnam and Korea. Win one for the big "V".
No William, I do not work at Bread and Roses or McDonalds. Although I hestiate to respond to your personal attack, I feel I must, because my story is not so dissimilar from others my age.
I put myself through school in the late 70s, early 80s. My junior year of college, I worked full-time, second shift at a hospital and attended class during the day.
I left school my junior year of after relocating with my immediate family to another state. Because I relocated, I could not afford out-of-state tuition and began working full-time as a secretary, attending classes in the evening.
At the age of 24 I relocated to Washington State and again, worked full-time while attending class at night. At 25 I married and decided to raise a family.
I am returning in my 40s to finish my degree.
Kind of blows your theory.
The Sarge
haha funny! like any greeners make enough money to worry about paying taxes. taxes are only for rich white men to worry about
Hey Anon the SuperGenious. You're vocab is impressive. I bet you're ready for the spelling test.
I love these posts.
I have a better question. Back to the riots, Greeners, and tax dollars. We all have a pretty good idea how many tax dollars are wasted by funding TESC. So how many dollars are wasted by the employers who own the computers at which you sit and type these posts (I have to assume some of you have jobs - if you are complaining about taxes).
I dont count because I sell meth for a living and dont need a job.
Evergreen should hire Blackwater for security next time they have a concert.
That'll teach those Greeners how to behave.
Somebody needs their mouth washed out with soap. ANON
'Greeners have a perpetual Peter Pan syndrome. They are too afraid to grow up and get real jobs. They are hipocrites when it comes to protests of violence.
Maybe they shoul just kill two birds with one stone and hold rap cincerts at the port.
Also, why do hippies smell so bad? Take showers and shave, this includes you too Greener girls.
Oh, and john genious!?! Even this genius has spell check.
What a shocker, a hip hop concert ending in violence.
The type of people who go to these concerts are usually the lowest of the low and the college should have had extra security on hand and anticipated a problem.
The Officers did a good job in getting out of the situation and luckily no one was injured.
Funny how all the tough hip hoppers ran away when backup arrived that is usually how these cowards operate.
I'm sure the riot police would have liked to try out there mk-46 pepper spray canisters, there 37mm or 40mm block guns and bean bag shotgun rounds on these liberal pieces of crap.
This is what you can expect on election night when the al quedacrats lose again and maybe the police will get the chance to use there toy's at that time.
For those of you who love paying high taxes, you just paid $30,000 to fix patrol cars.
I'm sure that some ass clown will try to blame the cop for doing her job and inciting the crowd.
Tyler the Evergreener
Good for you, Tyler. Seriously.
Now, why don't you do something about the thugs on your campus. Because they're making the rest of you look like a bunch of clowns.
.
Stop federal funding to this college which produces radical extremists!
The Downtown YMCA is full of loser evergreen grads that can't even sign up my children for sport progams. They all smell like wet dogs.
Oh john, irony seems to be wasted on you. As does oxygen.
Patty "...eat,poop..." Huh? Have another Gin Ricky or whatever you seem to be imbibing (That means drinking alcohol patty.) And what's the brokeBack part of your handle about anyway. God slamming is fun! Beats doing, or learning anything real.
Wayne is very confused.
Anyone know when the next concert is at the college? I would like to get in on the riots, sounds like fun.
It's not TESC that needs to close.
The minds of certain community members need to open!
First hand accounts of this idiotic incident are posted on Olyblog.net
I agree this could have happened at any college in any state, but it happened here. Some staff and a lot of students at TESC have a distinct disrespect for the law in this city. This police officer was doing her job, and would have probably released the gentleman anyway on a summons to appear in court. For her to be surrounded by a crowd of disrespectful and riotous young adults and having to be "rescued" by other officers is about as bad a situation as can be found. It could have been much worse that it turned out to be. These rioters should be thankful for the restraint shown by the police.
And this all comes from a college that cries out for "peace" and "acceptance". Maybe the college administrators ought to place a ban on concerts and large public gatherings for the remainder of the year.
And if any perpetrators of the violence are identified, I certainly hope the prosecutor will actually file some charges and get them into court to answer for their crimes. The city prosecutor has yet to file against port protestors...will those people ever be held accountable?
Tyler the Evergreener
wow you can write in java? Neato so does my nephew, he is 13. he can also compose in ruby and PHP... and he is 13. let me know if you need any help he has been writing PHP script for a couple of years now.
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Poster "Patty",
Do you call your comment "thinking". I think not!
Oly girl- You must work at bread and roses or mcdonalds. Your post just proves the point. People go to evergreen because they need 15 years to get a degree. I don't know how many people I have meet that are late twentys to early forties that are still at evergreen. What a JOKE!
Olygirl,
thanks you for your "Baaaaa Baaaaa Baaaaa" eat, poop "Baaaaa Baaaaaa"
Actually i am going to Evergreen for computer science, i know logic circuits, discrete math, and i can write in Java, yeah that some ballet class and water color painting class.
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thanks PrettyOlyGirl. You ROCK! Even if you are a perpetual student. But then again, so am I. One of life and the world, however.
Texan,
You're absolutly right. In hindsight I think I may have been a bit harsh with my comments toward Tyler-the-Evergreener (good superhero name...dont you think?).
But I think I can empathize with what he WILL be feeling in the near future. I mean, even those who go to reputable colleges endup in the work force feeling unprepared. I can only imagine how scared Tyler will feel when that day comes - having gone to a college that hands out hugs instead of grades.
Olygirl,
Thank you for your thoughtful, insightful post! Wise words!
Hey you Evergreeners,
The PETA meeting is being held at KFC. Lunch is being provided. You can eat fried chicken while your meeting is taking place. You can discuss why it is wrong to kill innocent chickens.
5 people got killed in yet another school shooting in Illinois yesterday. Lets put this in perspective. At least no one got hurt and the police made the right call in deesculating the situation. As far as the rest of the story I wasn't there so Im not going to make any snap judgements untill I hear more from both sides of the story (which I will since Im a Evergreen alumni and see at least 20 law enforcement officers daily at my place of employment). Keep in mind though there are many differint types of people who go to Evergreen and not all of them have the same political affiliation. I've had classes with everyone from born-again Christians to Veterans there just to give you an idea of the plurality.
Texan | 02.15.08 - 10:10 am
Aggies??? Aggies??? No, no sir. It should read 'Hook'Em Horns'.
Tony "If I was the deputy I woulda shot one of them".
Who's the "terrorist, thug, anarchist"...
citizen
oh boy this is a hard one, let me think... maybe the tards turning the cop car over? just a thought
Thanks, Olygirl, for a great first hand look at the college and its students and service to same
Tony "If I was the deputy I woulda shot one of them".
Who's the "terrorist, thug, anarchist"...
Tyler:
You will understand it when you get in the real world. And you won't know what to do when your little ballet class hasn't prepared you for a career. But maybee your little water painting class will help you with your career. I doubt it. Evergreen HAS NO EDUCATIONAL VALUE.
"If I was the deputy I woulda shot one of them.
tony | 02.15.08 - 10:11 am"
Tony:
You should have served in the National Guard at Kent State in the 1970s. You would have fit perfectly.
Sheriff Kimball doesn't teach officers to shoot first, ask questions later - luckily for you, as an officer could consider you a danger to his life for speeding.
"If you have an education, which i doubt you do, why should you feel so special that yours is better that mine."
Bwahahahahahahaha
Nice Edumacation there tyler. hahahahaha!
First and foremost, I want to congraulate the TCSO for not killing any of these so called peacefull students.
The band members should be arrested and charged with staring the riot. The so called students or whatever should be charged with destruction of public property and be required to pay for the damage that they caused, and pay for the replacement of the law enforcement unit. Those who stole the lap top and other gear should be arrested and charged with 1st degree theft amoung other charges.
If the students and their parents don't want to pay, then the College should be required too.. Of course we all know that the tax payers of the county will have to pay for all the damages..
When I lived in the area (back in the early 90's) EGSC was the same then too.
Close the school - it does nobody any good...
I have attended four different universities in different parts of the country. I currently attend TESC as a part-time student in the Evening and Weekend program as I work full-time. In addition, my son is currently enrolled as a freshman. Not only is he receiving the best education I could hope for, my experience at Evergreen has been extremely positive. I have found faculty to be extremely supportive, fair, thoughtful, and level-headed.
I also work with a number of individuals who are TESC graduates; most of whom have their master's degrees from Evergreen. They are bright, articulate, committed individuals who are dedicated to contributing to the world in a meaningful way. They do so on a daily basis. They are highly respected members in their fields.
I continue to be surprised at the stereotypical attitudes presented in regards to Evergreen. At each university I attended, there were groups of individuals with radical views. A cross-section of society will reveal individuals with radical views.
What several posters have stated is true. Bands and/or organizations can "rent" space to perform in public forums. Presuming that TESC commends certain attitudes or supports the type of behavior that ensued is a generalization.
I agree with a number of posters; these disturbances occur at campuses throughout the country. If investigations reveal that the individuals responsible for the damage were not Evergreen students, what does one do with the accusations and put-downs? While it might be very true that TESC should review conditions for allowing certain types of performances, the actions of a few do not speak for the many.
I don't condone violence, and I know a fair amount of my fellow students don't either. What occured here has more to do with the individuals who chose to act independently than it does TESC.
Uhhh....ok..
Or maybe I did write that post...but I guess you will never know.
http://www.myplan.com/education/...2.php?
id=235167
For those who want to know the truth about TESC and who it serves.
There are a total of 4400 students. If all of the participants in last nights problems at the concert were TESC students, it would represent less that 5% of the total student population.
Don't let a few facts stand in the way of your insults, though.
Another fine example of spoiled rich kids. If I was the deputy I woulda shot one of them. I guarantee that would of broke up the riot immediately. Probably would have prevented a future one too. I hate cops as much as the next person but I hate social disorder even more. Make examples out of these tree huggers that have no idea how this world works.
Kimball needs to express this to his deputies instead of writing tickets for speeding. I doubt if any court would have prosecuted them for shooting. Their lives were in danger.
hey Texan shouldn't you be riding livestock of shoveling feces, because the same can be said about Texas or just mainly ,you! I am not a loser! you are just afraid of things that are different like bathing, Washington state, and TESC. I just had midterms,and i just wrote an 8 page paper, so go ahead and say we don't work hard but i am here to tell you WE DO. The only people that belong in prison are people like you for the lack of respect for some one trying to get an education. If you have an education, which i doubt you do, why should you feel so special that yours is better that mine.
More irony:
"laurgeG=official proofreader for comments!
Don | 02.15.08 - 9:56 am"
Educating U | 02.15.08 - 10:05 am | #
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Yes, Don.
Someone decided to start posting as Laura G so that all of you idiots would believe it was me.
I didn't write that post.
I suppose it's more creative than posting as "anon" or "another anonymous" and so forth.
"Your resume, with TESC written on it (probably in organic green crayon),is going to go to the same place that all the resumes from U of Pheonix and DeVry go - straight to the shredder.
So if by BIG OFFICE, you mean the mailroom at the Daily Zero...then you are probably correct. Otherwise - GOOD LUCK!
John | 02.15.08 - 10:05 am"
Ya know john I don't think you would say such a foolish and needlessly mean thing to Tyler's face, or at least I hope not. I don't know your Mom but I bet she'd be disappointed with you. (Yea, I know, I'm stooping to conquer by dragging someone's Mom into this. What's next? Kitten killers?)
OK I admit it. I spelled a word wrong! It is true I did. And at Texas A&M points would have been taken off. That is a weird concept to Evergreeners. To actually get punished for mistakes.
Hey, "Tyler the Evergreener" I retire in 20 years, think you can get your degree by then? to be my boss....hahahaha
Tyler the Evergreener HA HA!
in your dreams!
"I am going to be the one in the big office telling you what to do and how to do your job, with MY Evergreen degree."
how will your big head fit through the door to your "big" state office?
John- That hilarious.
Evergreen must go away!
A post war over spelling!?! Ah geezee. thank God for freedom of speech!
More irony:
"laurgeG=official proofreader for comments!
Don | 02.15.08 - 9:56 am"
Tyler,
Your resume, with TESC written on it (probably in organic green crayon),is going to go to the same place that all the resumes from U of Pheonix and DeVry go - straight to the shredder.
So if by BIG OFFICE, you mean the mailroom at the Daily Zero...then you are probably correct. Otherwise - GOOD LUCK!
To quote many of you TESC hater posters, "Leave if you don't like it"!
I believe it's existence, not existance!
yup. really wanna fix it? or hide?
There's something fishy going on here, wayne!
Basically I have nothing better to do and have an Evergreen Degree myself. So I have to correct others mistakes in order to validate my lack of a real career or existance.
This is the type of situation that can happen at ANY college, anywhere. If you people want to blame it on the location then that is just wrong and idiotic. it does not matter where it took place, its a college with college students that are trying to make a life for themselves. If you want to call us lazy, stupid,inferior or just a plain waste of time go ahead. Just remember, I am going to be the one in the big office telling you what to do and how to do your job, with MY Evergreen degree. I go to TESC and i have worked very hard to get where i am, I am proud to say that my tax dollars go towards a college that is very accommodating for people that did less than stellar in high school, and other colleges. I was meant to go to Evergreen and it frustrates me that people call this a waste of money. My family went there and most, if not all are successful in what they do.
THATS RIGHT.... LETS BLAME TO COPS.... THEY'RE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DOWNFALL AND LACK OF RESPECT IN OUR SOCIETY... I'M SURE THE LACK OF PARENTING SKILLS IN THESE SCUMBAGS FAMILIES HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT....
ISN'T EVERGREEN A GREAT SCHOOL.... WHAT A JOKE!
Laura G is my idol!
laurgeG=official proofreader for comments!
wow look lauraG can use spell check! way to go lauraG you must be intulectually superior because you can hit f7.
/i left one misspelled for you to correct. i know how you like that.
Nope. I work for you..
Laura G you must be one of those hippie losers that has nothing better to do than spell check a comment board. Your well on your way to you hard earned worthless Evergreen Degree.
Texan- Your 100% right!
" can see Whitlock's and the left"s blog now: In the interest of unity the beautiful people of Evergreen held a PEACEFUL protest of Bush's illegal war. Peace, love, togetherness, respect were everywhere.
CLOSE EVERGREEN DOWN!!!!!
bill | 02.15.08 - 6:32 am"
"I enjoy reading the comments on this blog! They teach me points about other peoples' views. But I can see by some of the intolerant posts that many do not read. Use common sense and reason! Please read comments and refrain from childish name calling. Thank You!
bill | 02.15.08 - 9:22 am"
Got a few hours of sleep, bill?
LauraG:
Go hug a tree!!!!
Okie dokie, wayne.
You work for the state, don't you.
how exactly did they fight against the police state?
maybe the dumbest comment yet on a thread just overflowing with dumb.
awesome show wtf... great job!
Ah, Texan, but your college down there didn't teach you how to spell loser, did it? You spelled it "looser." I would think in the many 10,000 word papers you've written that mistakes like this wouldn't occur. But then again you said it was Texas A & M....so no surprise there.
What kind of sissy factory is Sheriff Kimball running up there? No arrests? This NEVER would have happened under a REAL Sheriff, like Edwards!
What?!? Is he protecting his deputy kid so he doesn't get hurt in a little fight? Time to get rid of these new idiots up there. Time to write your legislators and urge them to take steps to reform that craphole of a college out there. Turn it into a respectable place to learn.
I am dumbfounded at how incompetent this new administration is at the sheriff's office. Did they all have to get neutered before taking office? What a bunch of sissy little girls! Let's run and hide so the big bad evergreen students don't hurt us... what happened to law and order around here?
Apparently it left town with Sheriff Edwards!
Absolutley DISGUSTING!
Women cops are a joke.
Sorry, I just had to add that one to the moonbat list. Damn ya'll is a laugh riot. Now I really got to go.
It's not the colleges, universities, professors and students we need to fear.
Children behaving badly DO need to be directed in a positive way and be made to have consequences for their actions.
TESC must take away their priveleges and encourage them to grow up.
Ohe yes, PrettyOlyGirl---you ought to find that your comments are better suited for the more juvenile blogs that MySpace texts, instead of some serious forum of ideas. But then again, you might just grow into:
PrettyMoreWorldlyGirl that you might desire to be rather than the immature child you exemplify
"they should have brought the whole county in to take as many people to jail as they could"
"The only thing that ever came out of TESC are cartoonist and struggling pottery makers. Big deal."
"Grow up kids. No, for real now, time to grow up."
"The Evergreen State College...need any more be said?"
As much fun as reading incoherent right wing moonbat postings have been, I've got more important things to do. Rock on!
Rossi in 08!
There are a few loud mounths here who have more then one alias. They flood the message boards with their neo-con B.S. They are by no means the majority, they just have the loudest mouths.
Evergreen is a joke. There is NO educational value whatsoever. Real colleges test students have them write 10,000 word papers, etc.....
People go there because they can't get into a REAL college. They are loosers who can't make it in the real world!!!!!!!! It is preparing them for a life in prison.
Congratulations to Evergreen Studends for fighting back against our police state. Congratulations to the young who have the courage we lack.
Nothing will change at this "school" until administration changes the standards for acceptable behavior for the students AND faculty. The alumni from Evergreen should email, write, call the alumni office and demand a thorough investigation and repercussions for those involve. (and stop supporting this school when they have their "super saturday" event) Money talks!!!
Evergreen is a poor excuse for a college. This is a place for losers that need 15 years to get a four year degree. The don't even recieve grades at this armpit of a school. I hate that my tax dollars go towards this safe heaven of hippie bums.
William Condon | 02.15.08 - 9:38 am | #
William; didn't you learn the rule?
It's "I before E except after C"
RECEIVE not recieve.
And I think you meant safe haven as in a place of refuge, and not "safe heaven".
Every officer brings his or her own talents to the job. There are many good officers in this area that happen to be women. They are far from a joke, but are good cops.
Women cops are a joke.
Its time that everyone contact their legislators and tell them to shut this place down. Find out who they are at http://apps.leg.wa.gov/districtfinder/
Larry, people can not stand you.
Evergreen is a poor excuse for a college. This is a place for losers that need 15 years to get a four year degree. The don't even recieve grades at this armpit of a school. I hate that my tax dollars go towards this safe heaven of hippie bums.
I think it's time to close TESC! What a waist of tax payer money!!!!!
john | 02.15.08 - 7:32 am | #
Waist= that area between your ribs and your hips
Waste= you
Lovenot,
Doctors, lawyers, writers, business owners, musicians, artists, scientists, teachers, healthcare practitioners, activists, politicians, actors, laborers, inventors, pastors...Have all graduated from TESC.
Typical greener behavior.
It appears the new Sheriff and the Evergreen Police lack the intestinal fortitude to do anything to these punks. Instead of letting the guy go to "see" if they will behave and be their friends again and stop throwing things at them, they should have brought the whole county in to take as many people to jail as they could, and to use as much force as they can, to do it. If that means taking the whole school to jail, so be it. This behaviour should not be tolerated to any extent. The message has been sent and it is really clear. The police administrations are cowards in the face of opposition. So if you don't like what the police are doing, throw a riot. You'll get what you want, at taxpayer expense. They will let true anarchy reign because they're afraid of "offending" somebody. Well done Sheriff Kimball. The Counties citizens feel much safer now.
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There is quite a contrast between two different news stories coming from college campuses yesterday.... Northern Illinois University shooting and The Evergreen State College riot.
I cannot not help but wonder how TESC students would react if they faced the same horror as NIU students did yesterday, or VA Tech students did nearly a year ago... would they riot, block roadways, and overturn the patrol cars of the brave law enforcement that comes in to save their sorry butts?
"It's funny to read the comments about not hiring TESC graduates - Every company (large, multi-nationals & small, local businesses) I've worked at has looked to hire us because we Get Things Done."
You guys don't get squat done and Ive fired your students before. Out of ten that I hired three were actually decent the rest....phffffft...self-centered,children of white Patrician upbring.
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The band was very careful about saying too much last night. The crowd brought the arrest to the attention of the band and wanted an answer. So in an action that calmed the crowd and re-started the show, rapper M-1 just said to organise and get info on the arrest subject in order to make sure that his rights were not violated. The street educated rapper then was joking about how the college students were obviously able to organize things since they had the privy to be college students.I thought that it was more the artist teasing a white rich-kid crowd.
"I attended TESC from 1996-2000 and found the most productive and intellectually challenging place imaginable. My friends at other state colleges were amazed and impressed at what I was studying and producing. Evergreen offers an opportunity for excellence to whomever applies themselves and pursues it."
With no grades to speak of how do you guage how you are doing against your peers? Evaluations? The only thing that ever came out of TESC are cartoonist and struggling pottery makers. Big deal.
POG just what I was thinking. seemed that the monkey reference was as in, "monkey see monkey do"
Citizen,
Please point out the fear mongering in my earlier post. I mearly made an observation from someone that has lived here his entire life besides college and graduate school.
I hate to say it but law enforcement had it coming. When you fail to prosecute crimes you just embolden criminal behaviour. Good for them. I hope they burn a hundred more cars and have the citizens riot and burn down TESC.
One who knows.....oooooooooooooh, scary!
How great in timing! The measures for campus safety to protect the law abiding and education-directed student is ready for the gov's signature. I suppose that the safe shelter of rhetoric by alums of the TESC will stop any move to deal with those unlawful instigaters and those who endanger sound and just efforts of an improved society. Add a hand-cuffed prosecuting attorney and gutless administration at the university, and you come up with another self-reinforcing behavior popularized in a news story---only. Complete with the usual suspects---self-guided and confused attention getters, now with anarchy graffitti. Someone ought get control of that place for the good of society and those true peace lovers. It (TESC) went someplace where the "bustin' up a Starbucks" mentality replaces common sense and individual responsibility.
Oh yes---I have a kid who graduated from TESC and I'm also an alum. Not proud either.
I enjoy reading the comments on this blog! They teach me points about other peoples' views. But I can see by some of the intolerant posts that many do not read. Use common sense and reason! Please read comments and refrain from childish name calling. Thank You!
The people who want to shut Evergreen down have and always will want to do so.
I attended TESC from 1996-2000 and found the most productive and intellectually challenging place imaginable. My friends at other state colleges were amazed and impressed at what I was studying and producing. Evergreen offers an opportunity for excellence to whomever applies themselves and pursues it.
Olympia is the state capitol and, as such, is going to attract the extremes of Washington. Evergreen's liberal arts educational model attracts radical people of all political flavors. The (mostly) rural and conservative community reacts angrily to anything that falls outside the "norm" (read "straight, white, male or female").
I commend the TESC Police for their actions - I worked with them as a student and I'm eternally grateful for the work they do.
It's funny to read the comments about not hiring TESC graduates - Every company (large, multi-nationals & small, local businesses) I've worked at has looked to hire us because we Get Things Done.
This event is sad and shameful - but young radicals (both inside and outside of TESC) aren't known for their strong judgment. I hope the college deals with the situation in a fair manner and I hope the students are open-minded about solutions.
I question the individuals who thought bringing these bands to TESC was a good idea. It's very clear that there is a rift in the community between local law enforcement and elements from TESC and add in the hostile political situation. Sounds like a recipe for a problem.
And what adds to my belief is that there are so many people stating that there were so many 'non-TESC' students at the concert who could have been responsible. Why offer a venue?
Sondra - go back to your pigpen and play there.
For those that wish, there is a first hand account of the incident that someone posted on Olyblog from another site.
If you want to get past the hysteria, look it up.
Mien Fuhrer, I CAN WALK!!! Good God ya'll, such hyperbole. To my right wing friends: Relax, take a breath. Put down the gun and move away from the keyboard. Angerin' up the blood like that can't be good for ya'll. Your gonna pop something.
Greeners acting badly will not end bring an end to Western civilization, is not a call to arms, is not a sign of the apocalypse, nor, and this is most important, will affect you in any way demonstrable way.
I'd like to thank right wing moonbats for sharing uninformed opinions, paranoid rantings, and projected fears. It is important to know there is a homicidal contingent texting among us, but I have to say the calls for concentration camps and murder are frightening.
News Flash folks: Law enforcement is about preserving the peace, not inflicting corporal punishment of those you don't like. That's what the state troopers in Selma did to black people in the civil rights movement.
I suspect those who have written critically of the TCSO's response have any law enforcement credentials beyond watching COPS. I know they were not on the scene making critical decisions. People carefully and throughly trained do deal with rowdy crowds used their best judgment to make hard decisions quickly on the spot. Beating and shooting kids would cost a hell of a lot more than a patrol car.
As to employers who've written they wouldn't hire a Greener Grad. That's great because we wouldn't want to work for you either. I imagine working for those who indulge in stereotypes w/out question and seem to have an irrational hatred for an institution that brings million and millions of dollars into the community are pretty darn poor employers and business persons.
Interesting how many of you bash what you think TESC teaches, TESC professors, and students and accuse them of being "terrorists, anarchists, thugs, bigots" and in the same posts advocate violence and brutality against them. Who are the "thugs"?
Okie dokie, monkey!
PrettyOlyGirl:
Your attempt to excuse the racist term makes you just as bad.
It WAS (note the caps) intended as racist and I'm not as ignorant as those that attempt to deny it.
I don't blame the police. What option did they really have? (the idiot screaming into the mic to "take care of it") I have worked with many different officers from different jurisdictions. And we are all taught the same thing. Resolving the situation with the least amount of force necessary. I am a graduate of SWAT and several other schools in this vain. I don't care where this happened. (TESC, the port, WSU) And I don't really care what they teach at that school. It has turned me off enough not to go finish my degree there. I have talked to several students and unfortunately they all seem to think the same things. Cops are bad, military is bad, government is bad, etc, etc. I try not to lump people into groups. But a few random posters on this thread are not going to prove to me they teach free thinking at Evergreen. Based on what I have witnessed personally they are all a bunch of sheep. The very thing they say they are not. Generally cop haters are doing something wrong or illegal. Maybe I do need to arm myself.
PrettyOlyGirl:
Saddam tried to assasignate George W. Bush????? Please document.
That is THE most priceless post yet. I know you are referring to "Daddy" which makes the excuse even more lame.
I'll bet you can't document THAT claim either, aside from some silly blog crap.
And "EducatingU" appears to be the only racist here that thinks "black people" when he sees the word "monkey".
"This school needs to be closed and re-structured. Turn it into schools like Western, Eastern, or Central. Its past time for a change. I am sick and tired of pissing away my tax dollars to a school that is a constant thorn in the side.
Its time for the Geoducks/Greeners to be a memory of the past.
Not Surprised | 02.15.08 - 9:11 am"
In the fall of 1969, Western Washington students protested the lack of adequate housing with a tent camp on the lawn of the Administration building. The locals of Bellingham called for the closure of the school.
Imagine that!
Would all of you cut this crap about right wing and left wing? This is exactly what is wrong in America today. Selfish people working on their small agendas and not thinking of the greater good.
All of you who have been ranting for the last several hours need to stop. I think most of you just think you are being clever or funny but you're not. Divisive discourse doesn't do anything but fuel more hate, more killings, and more riots.
Please think about what you are writing before you offer your wisdom.
The problems at TESC mirror the problems in Washington State and the whole country. The five percent on extreme outside fringes are fueling this type of thinking and it's about time the other 90% puts a stop to it. Writing nonsensical ramblings to a newspaper blogs will not solve the problems.
Use your brains and your common sense, please.
A Bob | 02.15.08 - 8:04 am
So I see you can't add anything without trying to discredit state employees. So why do you dislike the WSP so much?
Uhhhh, "Educating U"???
Saddam tried to assassinate our President.
Regardless of your inability to find any correlation between whatever it is you fail to realize about poor innocent Saddam, is certainly doesn't fall into the "hasn't done anything to us" category.
"This is the result of liberalism. Telling kids to do what ever feels right is wrong.
WaterWalker | 02.15.08 - 8:45 am"
Maybe you subscribe to the theory of one of your fellow religionists to "shoot into the crowd".
Quite a liberal philosophy.
I've been away from Olympia for a long time. When I left, TESC was still a new face in the community and largely deplored by the establishment for its progressive programs.
And now the college is being blamed for the actions of a few concert-goers, many of whom may not be students.
The small-minded thinking that creates those comments is as deplorable as the actions of the concert crowd.
The college has sent thousands of creative and thoughtful people into the world and is a credit the the community.
To characterize it as a breeding ground for violence-prone reprobates is just plain wrong.
This school needs to be closed and re-structured. Turn it into schools like Western, Eastern, or Central. Its past time for a change. I am sick and tired of pissing away my tax dollars to a school that is a constant thorn in the side.
Its time for the Geoducks/Greeners to be a memory of the past.
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"So, does anyone see a correlation between "children" showing civil disobedience at the Port Of Olympia and the Port Of Tacoma with no boundaries being enforced and no discipline being enforced and these same "children" throwing a tantrum/civil disobedience and destroying taxpayer/government property?
You let spoiled little brats get away with one civil disobedience and they know that government officials are afraid to enforce any boundary.
The end results of liberals in charge of government who are afraid to govern and enforce boundaries due to the secular humanist agenda that all things are okay if you think so.
The deputy/deputies should have started shooting into the crowd.
justwondering | 02.15.08 - 9:03 am"
About like I see the correlation between premptive strikes against countries that haven't done anything to us and a call for shooting into the crowd.
Secular humanist agenda? What would Jesus do? Shoot into the crowd?
CLOSE WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY DOWN!
From 1998
"On May 3 at Washington State University, police used tear gas to restrain hundreds of students who were throwing beer cans and rocks at officers. The riot was sparked by students who were frustrated by a policy banning alcohol at fraternity social functions. At least 24 officers and 18 students were injured in the five-hour riot, and three people were arrested."
Young people + alchohol + stupidity = RIOT. Always has, always will.
You wingers can yammer on about how this is a TESC problem but facts speak louder than your hysterical rhetoric.
Why are people in shock about this? This type of act is to be expected from Evergreen students.
It is a product of the up-bringing and studies at the college.
So, does anyone see a correlation between "children" showing civil disobedience at the Port Of Olympia and the Port Of Tacoma with no boundaries being enforced and no discipline being enforced and these same "children" throwing a tantrum/civil disobedience and destroying taxpayer/government property?
You let spoiled little brats get away with one civil disobedience and they know that government officials are afraid to enforce any boundary.
The end results of liberals in charge of government who are afraid to govern and enforce boundaries due to the secular humanist agenda that all things are okay if you think so.
The deputy/deputies should have started shooting into the crowd.
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Some things never change....the anti-Evergreen crowd that has never liked the school. As a high school teacher in South Florida I fondly remember my time at TESC. A few idiots cannot speak for the thousands of graduates who have gone on to contribute in a positive way to our society.
No conspiracy, just the usual rightwing slime machine at work.
As usual the right wing dolt Evergreen trashers who post here don't need anything resembling the truth to spit their nonsense. No where in the article does it say that students were involved. In fact it states specifically that it's not known. Typical right trash jello brains.
I love the interview by KOMO that had the woman saying that this group encourages people to stand up for whats right and its message was not about violence...whatever...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z...h?
v=ZIN18chRis0
citizen | 02.15.08 - 8:52 am |
Yep I knew it would turn out to be a right wing conspiracy. You lib’s will whine about anything. Man-up and take credit for your part in the fiasco
Did anyone see the news where a witness was saying that the police force was unnecessary (!). She said that people were only standing around the police car and that the riot started because the police began using pepper spray to disperse the crowd. CRAZY! If a crowd of people were around my car (hello paparazzi) my ass would be using pepper spray and whatever else I could get my hands on. It was a mob riot as soon as those people grouped together and I am thankful that the officer wasn't hurt.
I am a student at Evergreen because the college is close and inexpensive. It is incidents like this that make me glad I am a senior and almost done with that place. I only with there were more peace loving hippies around and less anarchists. If people do not like our government, they should get involved in changing it, not cause violence.
This event was open to the entire community. TESC frequently hosts concerts. At this point it is difficult to say the problem was instigated by students. This may have been the result of outside agitators.
Don,
Your's is exactly the kind of post we can expect from the rightwing propoganda machine about TESC being bad.
This shows us another example of how the
right uses fear mongering to push its agenda.
"How many college credits do you get to roll over a police car?"
It depends. If it's an internship activity you would have to roll over one police car every week for 10 weeks to receive 4 credits. You could receive more credits if you included academic research. For garbage can rolling, double it.
This is the result of liberalism. Telling kids to do what ever feels right is wrong.
The Evergreen State College...need any more be said?
http://music.yahoo.com/Dead-Prez.../lyrics/
1800560
For those interested in the Dead Prez Lyrics. Nice how they sing about cops blowing thier friends away.
hey evergreen.
your actions over the past few years are speaking so loud that we can't hear what you are preaching.
Rap is CRAP, and Hip-Hop must STOP.
Start the chant.
Should have them fight. It's not anyone was going to get hurt.
As a graduate of TESC I find this riot appalling. I also find these posts appalling. Thousands of people go to TESC every year, and yet they are all peg-holed by a small, yet very visable (and smellable) miority. None of the friends or faculty I had when I went to the college would even think of condoning that sort of action, much less condone violent riots.
And if we're going to shut down Evergreen we should shut down every other college or university that has ever had students involved in riots. Opps, theres goes half the universities in the country, including a fair number of prestigious Ivy Legue Schools.
Parties + college students = anarchy. Not just at Evergreen, but everywhere. The actions of a few cannot represent the opinions and beliefs of the many.
It is TJ's fault!!
Evergreen should place a one year ban on public gatherings and be required to hire a securty force, paid by concert goers, to protect the public at any future public event at the school.
The problem is that this place teaches kids that they don't have to take responsibility for their own actions. IN other words do what you want and there will be no consequences. I always taught my kids that they had freedom to do what they wanted. However there would be consequences. If they did good the consequences would be good. If bad well you get the idea.
I'm sure somehow some of them will file a lawsuit agains the police. That is their M.O.
Grow up kids. No, for real now, time to grow up.
Who just happens to have a can spay paint ready to write "Die Pigs" on a patrol car ?
It's a shame that the cops didn't shoot anybody. Pile their bodies in the middle of Red Square and burn them.
Since it was a hip-hop crowd we're probably going to hear about how the cops were racist.
This is exactly the kind of behavior one would expect from people that are incessantly bombarded by progoganda about the police being bad. This and the port protests have shown me what is truly being taught at Evergreen. No, I don't think all students there are like this. I know some that aren't. But, a substantial number are and it it getting worse. With the exception of time away for college, I've lived in this area my entire life and I've watched Evergreen evolve to this. This has gone way beyond exercising free speech rights and perhaps the college needs some balance in their hiring of professors.
How many college credits do you get to roll over a police car? I didn't go to TESC so I don't have that information.
when i was growing up evergreen was a bunch of bran eating stoners, they didn't bother anybody. over the last ten years or so the place has become out of control. they seriously need to look at the people they hire and those that they admit. the place is insane. they teach terrorist tactics, they teach hatred for others who don't share their views. the place now makes me sick.
TESC will not even be on my kids radar when they are looking at colleges to attend. The point of college is to get an advanced education and open the door for more opportunity, not be dumped down by the staff who encourage an environment of anarchy!!! For those of us on the outside, that place sure seems to invite an aura of lawlessness.
Another example of "higher" education. This collection of losers has been a blight on Thurston county for to long. They always blame others for the infantile acts of their own. As a 52 year resident I say this "school" was never wanted by the majority and it is time the good people of Thurston county hold the administration accountable for the for the slime that slithers out of the campus nightly.
I support the building of a electrified razor wire fence around the campus to protect the community at large from this rabble.
Lastly all responsible citizens should arm themselves.
This is the perfect example of Evergreeners. This is exatcly what I would expect from them. Shame on them. They go from hugging trees to fund raising for PETA. Then to destroying police property. I graduated from Texas A&M with a Masters degree. And we actually took tests and got graded for our work. Go figure.
Oops, should have said "riot", not "right". My bad.
Maybe they were just upset with Thurston County after receiving their property tax bills in the mail that day.
Some people sure seem bent on living down to the negative stereotypes about TESC students and faculty.
Unfortunately, what burt said may have some truth. Considering recent actions by those associated with TESC (last night's right, the POOP, even considering having a cop-killer as graduation speaker, etc.), there may be repercussions in future hiring. After all, when hiring managers turn on the evening news and see what TESC is associated with (however accurately or not), they have to ask "does that college actually provide an education that would benefit who I represent", or even better, "why would I want to consider hiring someone with a degree from there"?
The police handled this well. I commend them! When a large group of people is emotionally charged there is always the potential for some in the group to act out. This isn't unique to TESC, it happens everywhere (sporting events, bars). The police did a great job of de-escalating the situation.
There is absolutely no law and order on The Evergreen State College (TESC) campus. Police officers failed to uphold the law (they should have arrested the criminals who destroyed the police car). The senior police officer on the scene at the time should be disciplined for failure to take appropriate action against these criminal thugs at TESC. We tax payers are left to buy another police car and suffer the consequences. WE WANT THE POLICE TO STAND UP TO THESE THUGS AND ENFORCE THE LAW!!!
I'm disturbed by the actions that happend at Evergreen last night. As a graduate, I'm equally disturbed by some of these posts today. To actually believe that every single one of those people who were part of this riot were Evergreen Students is a misconception. I know there were students in this bunch, but what kind of students are they? Are they even in the classroom full time focused on a career or instead are they part-time students who don't even care about their education? I'm appalled at the actions that were taken against the police and hope that those who were involved are punished. However, this riot that was started by a small group of people should not put a label on Evergreen students as a whole.
I see that someone "happened" to have a can of spaypaint with them for the police car.
Wow. I went to Evergreen, and this is why I am appalled at it now. Anarchy and rowdiness were never virtues taught by any teachers and embraced by VERY few when I went there (2000 - 2005). This is really pathetic and embarassing. Nice going people. I wish it would go back to being more adults (and the "Hippy-greener way" it was when I attended, and fewer young and rowdy Eastcoast kids who happened to read about Evergreen in High Times. It was a GREAT school with great faculty and a great blend of open-minded people. I don't know what it's become since then. I think they need to make the admission's process more stringent.
Uhh, helloooo! It was a Hip Hop band. what did you expect?
When I was growing up in Olympia, TESC was a great place to go to school. the people were free spirits and artistic. they loved on another. Super Saturday was my favorite event to attend. What a fun time I had. Now, I am frightened of the place. The kids are coming from all over the US to attend this "Woodstock" college, changing their names to fit in like Willow and Soliel. they haven't a clue what this school was intended to be. Let's get back to the way it was, or let's shut it down. It will only get worse.
Duh really,
I went through the environmental program at WWU. Got two degrees there. In some twenty years of living near the campus, there was never once a riot. Never once. I am also quite liberal. I have been defending Evergreen to the conservative-types, but I don't think I can do it anymore. I don't see a culture of peace, like at Western. I see a culture supportive of violence and destruction for its own sake without rationale or reason. I am a liberal, but at this point I am, frankly, ashamed.
burt | 02.15.08 - 7:54 am
I to am a business owner. Just like you I would never in a million years hire someone coming out of that school. Many business owners I know think the same way. That is why they often become state employees or Speedbumps.
Oops! I changed that second sentence and should have re-read it. It should say "He throws in commas in unappropriate places and can't even spell among."
Duh really? - Why didn't you correct GMD's comment? He uses throws in commas in unappropriate places and can't even spell among. And what is "No boby"? Did he go to Evergreen too?
Hey A Bob et.al. Next time how about going in with guns blazing? Kill em all and let God sort em out?
Anon | 02.15.08 - 7:55 am |
You miss the point. If a level of force is being used Law enforcement must meet or excede it to gain control. This thing could have been worse. I am for at least warning the crowd they must comply before opening up on them. Justice must be served.
Mosqueda probably had nothing to do with this event, unless he is the faculty advisor to the student union.
Today's right wing posts on this issue are going to make the port protests pale by comparison.
Duh really? | 02.15.08 - 7:25 am | #
Do you know what he teaches at Evergreen? Disrespect for authority. Go to the evergreen website. This guy should not be teaching those subjects. It is like having Hitler teach facism. These kids need a non biased factual account of history. He is pooring the koolaide and should feel some guilt.
Duh really,
Stop YOUR slander!
I hate it when a few BAD APPLES ruin it for the whole orchard. I bet alcohol was involved. Combine stupidity and alcohol nothing good comes of it. If you want to shut down ever college that has problems, well you better start with all the colleges that have had shootings. Another one just yesterday. What is wrong with people who feel they need to hurt and kill others before they take their own lives. What happened at evergreen is pale in comparison but is still morally wrong. People need to stop blaming music for making people do wrong, then you better watch out when carie underwoods song, jesus take the wheel, cuz people will be driving around with no hands on the wheel. As far as the protests, maybe we need to find out where they live and picket outside their homes, block their driveways and not let them carry on with their daily lives. I think what they have done is no way political but criminal.
Hey A Bob et.al. Next time how about going in with guns blazing? Kill em all and let God sort em out?
Possible consequences:
1.) Less police protection for students at TESC.
2.) Students may find it harder to find work with a TESC degree.
As someone who does hiring, I can't help but to put those TESC candidates lower in the resume pile.
Another Vet, I disagree with your comment about nobody crying when similar incidents occurred in Pullman. Maybe you weren't in tune with the public forum then.
Maybe because of the way the OPD acted at the port protests?
Benji | 02.15.08 - 6:54 am | #
Are you blaming the police??
I am sure that will be the spin. Not all the anti cop koolaide this band was pouring into thier empty heads. As far as some of the posters saying if you think all TESC students are bongoids your a non thinker...well thats right. Many straight people know how easy it is to finish up a degree while working for the state. EASY. Where are the rubber bullets, batons, pepper, tazors,Bean bag guns, and other crowd control devices. Why was no one in the crowd sent to the hospital? Why no arrests? If they are using force law enforcement must respond in kind...even double it. This sort of reckless abandon is going to get them even more fired up and sooner or later people are going to die. Take charge. As a citizen I demand Action. Start sending in the troops to arrest all those caught on video. Should be showing up on you tube any minute. Demand action!!!
This kind of stuff happens regularly on college campuses during football season. I guess riots over football games are acceptable by the rightwingers.
Evergreen likes to riot like UW, WSU, Ohio State! Come on people, your wasting taxpayers dollars!
Add this one to the list, Fred:
"I think it's time to close TESC! What a waist of tax payer money!!!!!
john | 02.15.08 - 7:32 am"
"Anonamous",
If you are an example of the current generation of evergreen "critical thinkers", than TESC should be closed as an incubator for bigots and anarchists...
Let's see if we can find a parallel here.
Protests and riots at the port. People arrested, never charged.
Fight at the college, cops called, riot ensues. No one arrested.
Where's the respect for the law? How can the law be respected when the persons are not prosecuted and punished?
Bad precedent was set.
Well Fred,
Do you find a little irony in the point that someone uses an improperly constructed sentence to make the claim that TESC isn't a "real college"
It reminds me of my favorite post on these threads "your stupid".
I think the college owes the county a new patrol car!!! It's time they are actually punished for their behavior for once!! The disrespectful little pieces of poor hygiene!!!! Get a life and go back to the states you came here from!! Why do we have to school all of the people who couldn't get into a REAL university!!??? They come here because they have nowhere else to go AND because they can get away with crap like this!! HELLO WASHINGTON!!! Shut TESC Down!!!
Anonymous:
An absolute lie. No one teaches violence at Evergreen.
If you are going to slander people, how about posting your real name so that they can sue you?
ROCK ON!!! ANARCHISTS
The riot was wrong, but the cops screwed up too by caving in and letting the arrestee go.
Jim | 02.15.08 - 6:54 am | #
Jimbo,
You hit the nail on the head! This type of response signals to the TESC community that they are now in charge when the sherrifs department shows up. How utterly pitiful. What is going on in the sherrifs department? Who is running the place? A bunch of losers who went to Evergreen?
I am sick thinking about how far our law enforcement has sunk in the last two years. First the county wont help oly pd with the protests. Now they aresst people but let themn go when they are challenged! Sounds like an out and out lack of ledership to me!
Missing in the back and forth over this is any discussion of what prompted the arrest in the first place.
Close Evergreen? Uh , that's not gonna happen even though that has been the wet dream of a bunch of mono-brow, mouth breathing, knuckle-dragging members of the Flat Earth Church of the Apocalypse for years. TESC grads are thinking, working, valuable members of this community.
And now to throw a bomb. In a world where cops toss paraplegic Iraq war out of their wheel chairs, tear gas peaceful protesters, taser anyone who refuses to submit to bully tactics at the drop of a hat, harass people in parks after dark, and generally act like thugs, the people eventually get sick of it and react.
Duh really -
The college and Mosqueda have been supportive of a culture of violence. That culture helped this type of thing occur by making it "OK" and "cool." The crowd was cheering "F@#$% the police," and that was cool. Mosqueda's teachings legitimize that riot-inciting violence.
WOULD THE STATE PLEASE CLOSE THIS PLACE DOWN!!!??? It would get rid of SO many problems!!! The riots downtown about the military equipment and the war, the nasty dread-locked stinky people that pollute our beautiful city, and crap like this that happened last night. WHY is this acceptable?? This place NEEDS to be closed NOW!! When will this be understood????? This is bull!!
Hey Duh Really,
No, they do not teach proper sentence construction at TESC. I thought everybody knew that. How about that? A proper sentence construction police person on patrol for the Olympian.
This band is obviously an agent of the Bush/Cheney administration sponsored, no doubt, by the CIA and sent to the Evergreen State college in retaliation to the recent Port Protests. Will the Neo-Con’s stop at nothing to discredit the peaceful, non belligerent, followers of B.Hussein Obama?
I think it's time to close TESC! What a waist of tax payer money!!!!!
Dam Greeners, you should have arrested all. Why should they get away with treating the Police like that?
It isn't Evergree that is at fault!
It is a portion of the student body that gives it, a bad reputation.
Further, that can be said of any other such academic facility.
If, all colleges and Universities established firm rules of conduct on campass and expected lawful community conduct ... violation of which could result in expulsion, there would be a lot less of this awful stuff.
These jack asses are actually a minority of the student body...YET, their behaviors seem to apply the stigma to the school!!....They are the "sore thumb" odd balls, that get the juvenile attention they so desire! They are only popular amoung themselves,No boby else wants them around!!
"Daddy Mac, you support the death of others, what say you here??
Anon1 | 02.15.08 - 7:29 am"
Someone please tell me who died at this incident. More hysteria.
My high school senior student and I have been looking at colleges. The first one we went to was Evergreen. I was shocked by fliers up everywhere advertising a meeting of students against the police. What kind of people are against the police? Probably bad people, huh? It made me suspicious. But now I'm more than suspicious--I'm disgusted by the behavior on campus this morning. I doubt she'll be attending Evergreen. And by the way, we were the only locals at the tour--everyone else was from far away and they were ODD.
"And as a graduate of a real college or university will tell you, a degree from TESC really isn't a "real" degree."
I wonder if they teach proper sentence structure.
Mckenzie,
Hip Hop is for losers and morons and you...
Father MacKenzie | 02.15.08 - 7:22 am
Daddy Mac, you support the death of others, what say you here??
and the list goes on...
What do you expect? A loser, no-name, non-playing band. TESC, a loser college where you go when you can't get an education anywhere else. And as a graduate of a real college or university will tell you, a degree from TESC really isn't a "real" degree. Dead Prez, wow. I'd rather listen to an old, scratchy Buck Owens record.
Anonymous:
Are you in a contest of stupid with bill?
Mosqueda probably had nothing to do with this event, unless he is the faculty advisor to the student union.
Today's right wing posts on this issue are going to make the port protests pale by comparison.
Thanks Larry Mosqueda. What upstanding citizens you have been teaching.
Uh, Venus, that's should've, and dumb cops, hip-hop is for kids not cops
Should of used the rubber bullets!
TESC, some of the most impressionable kids out there.
bill:
Just to document the truth and demonstrate to people how you lie, the only report on Olyblog about this incident is headed as follows:
"Incident at Evergreen State College
Submitted by Jeff B. on Fri,02/15/2008 - 6:01am."
I altered the last name of the blogger to honor his right to anonymity in The Olympian.
He submitted The Olympian's account of the incident.
Why do you need to lie, bill?
TESC WAS peaceful back in the day (year) I went, nothing like it is today.
Community relations between cops and populace down because of the cops in the downtown protests????? I think not! It was the protesters fault and they got far less than what they deserved. At least it was on campus this time and out of the way of the populace that matters.
Get a life people--and some respect.
Seems to me it was a poor choice to book this type of band at TESC and my guess is most of the trouble was caused by attendees that are not even enrolled there.
All of you ranting about shutting down TESC should log off your computers and log back into the rightwing "shlock" radio you love to quote on this forum.
blechhhh.
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bill:
You can't see anything. There is nothing of the sort on Olyblog.
Your type of hysteria is what makes for additional problems on these matters